Being Mean To The USL Super League
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- čas přidán 20. 03. 2024
- I hope I'm wrong. But....
I've got no faith in this league. The USL Super League has not shown me anything to make me believe that they will last, and truly compete with the NWSL. In this video, I explain my gripes with the brand new 1st division women's professional soccer league.
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Danny for the name, the english women's league is called the Women's Super League, so it can be seen why they went with the USL super league name
Good video. I'd like to hear more about US football below the MLS.
NWSL had a lot of support from the USSF when it was becoming established. I would agree this will struggle, unless there's lightning in a bottle cities that take to it. But then the business model of all of USL is a mystery to me.
In my opinion USL and it’s clubs do a very good job at working with communities, which is something that works very well on the men’s side. Although I am definitely a bit more iffy on the women’s side as NWSL seems to do a bit more for community than MLS
What about a "MLS Next Pro: Yay or Nay"?
It's a low standard of football with very few fans, like NISA so nah for me.
@@owenthornhill9671it’s not really for the fans, it’s for development
Danny please talk about the USLC outside of the soccer wars
There are so many different angles to look at this from, it's crazy. The NWSL definitely has the head start, and despite their *ahem* hiccups along the way with who they hire, they are the clear front runners in the women's game in the US. The USL definitely has name recognition in the markets where the men's league already has a presence, which could certainly give it a boost, should it ever actually get off the ground, but it might have lost too much to the NWSL just in lost time more than anything else.
The other angle, and one you briefly touched on, and which I disagree with you on, is the the introduction of the USL Super League could provide competition for the NWSL, and make it a better product. Where I disagree is that in women's hockey a few years ago, there was a league known as the NWHL, and one known as the CWHL. To make a long and convoluted story short, these two leagues did not make the other better or stronger, but rather ended up destroying one another, which gave way to a much smaller, yet much more successful third league. Whereas there were two leagues made up of 13 total teams, now there is one league made of only 6 teams. I'm not saying you're wrong, but there aren't many examples of leagues going head to head, and getting better.
The USSF only certifies three tiers in the American professional soccer pyramid. The "fourth division" is the catch-all for pre-professional and amateur soccer.
Danny, Great Fan. You brought up a lot of great points but to clarify some things:
- The Term "Super League" has been used successfully in multiple European Women Top Division Leagues.
- With The help of the NWSL and the growth of Women Sports in the US, they (USL Super League) have a potential to get a Broadcast Deal similar Financially to the Men USL Leagues Combine (which would put them in the same category for the Top 5 Women Leagues in Europe).
- The Stadium for Fort Lauderdale United is being renovated so it will not be the same as the former Miami Dolphins Training Facility that we all know or remember.
- As far as Talent; there is a number of players in our Region playing in leagues with lack of structures and finance (which the NWSL aren't targeting) that will be scouted by the USL Super League Teams. Plus There are over 150 Americans (women) Playing outside of the US, so there's enough Talent.
- Tampa Bay Sun is one of the very few Women Teams in the world that will have their own "Training Facility" and have paid to renovate the High School Stadium, while continuing to look for a spot for their Future Soccer Stadium.
- On a Leadership point, the USL Super League has ownerships with affiliation from MLS, European Soccer/football, and MLB.
- Yes Minnesota Aurora FC is "A definite Must"
- By 2026 both the NWSL & USL Super League will have at least 16 Teams each as they expand.
- Lastly, regarding the Gap in the Pyramid; there's a WISL in the works as a D2 (Affiliated with NISA), and a WPSL PRO to start in 2025 as a D3 League (with their own pathway from WPSL U21, to WPSL and now from WPSL to WPSL Pro)
Always such good watching. Brilliantly presented, thoughtful and fresh. Love Danny T
With this I'd love to hear your take on the current Indy Eleven and MLS drama going on rn
If a USWOC does happen, it will 100% be in the summer. That way, AM teams can compete. It will mean that either USLS will have to opt out or have put out a lackluster team.
Also, MN Aurora aren't in the USLS because it is majority owned by fans and doesnt have a principal owner worth over 25 million, thus not USSF PLS D1 satisfactory.
ALSO, also, NCC and RacingLou won't ever, with those names, join USLS. NWSL, like every single entity, owns all the names so if RacingLou or NCC want to join USLS the owners will need to buy the names from NWSL, which is highly unlikely and possibly unfeasible. Which means if LouCity and NCFC want to switch it will likely be way too expensive.
I really, really hope that you wrong. I have had many of the same questions that you have had. You, of course, are quite perceptive about Racing. North Carolina is a slightly different story as the Courage are based in Cary, while the Ascent are based in Charlotte with the Independence. I do think that there are a large number of women soccer players out there, and that the USL will be able to stock its teams with players. Whether they can attract international players will depend on the money, and we'll just have to see.
Honestly Danny, just on a the pro/rel side, I don’t understand why people want this in NA. I just don’t see it being feasible or something would good for US Soccer. Am I wrong?
Also as someone who lives in Spokane…it’s pronounced Spo Can. Just a heads up lol
The Rapids and Revs of the world would actually have to spend money
No you are not wrong. From a soccer fan perspective, pro/rel sounds exciting theoretically but it is currently not feasible in the US. They can't even get it in Mexico. But as the sport grows it can happen if certain events come align. Mainly what's missing for pro/rel to happen is interest in lower division soccer and a model of pro/rel in another professional US sport.
It's a catch-22 situation for pro/rel in the US. You need lower-level interest for a successful pro/rel system, but interest in lower-level leagues and teams largely depends on having a pro/rel system already established. I wish there was a pro/rel system because it could give different types of teams a chance at existing, but I understand the logistical challenges involved. I wished there was a pro division that's regional, similar to other countries like Germany and England.
So, I think under the current system, yes pro/rel would not work. No way any of the MLS teams would agree to a cut in revenue from being kicked out of the MLS and forced to play in the USL. That being said, I think if the USL tries a pro/rel with it's three leagues we could see how well it works in the USA. And if USL gains more popularity and can create it's own TV deals then maybe MLS teams wouldn't hate the idea of pro/rel right now. But a lot has to change about soccer here. pay to play, the lack of youth academies for a lot of the professional teams. MLS would actually have to work with US Soccer, the MLS would have to care about the US Open Cup, and other stuff as well. The positive to pro/rel is that we would no longer reward shitty teams for finishing last by giving them the first draft pick. Which honestly isn't actually going to give you the best players either. All the European clubs already recruited young American talent by the time they are 16 so while college soccer players are way better than I ever was they are certainly no Dest or McKennie. So if a team has constantly the worst team in the league they get rewarded with a high draft pick, but since there really isn't any punishment for being terrible it's not like the team gets invested into. Where as in England if Everton was a truly terrible season 3 years in a row they would fall to League 2 and lose out on hundreds of millions of dollars because the club is poorly run and couldn't get results on the pitch. That's a legitimate consequence for poor performance. Also, a lot of the fans probably won't stop supporting Everton if/when they get relegated, but here. I think because our sporting culture is much different fans would actually stop supporting a team if they got relegated. How many Miami fans do you see now? How many people became Patriot fans after they won 3 Super Bowls? Chiefs fans? I'm not saying that American fans are mercenary in their support, there are definitely die-hards everywhere, how else do you explain Cleveland fandom, but a lot of people want to be a part of the success and if a team gets kicked out of a league because they suck they'd lose fans here and millions of dollars. And the MLS is designed so these teams don't lose millions of dollars. It's why we have a salary cap, it's why they share revenue, it's why they don't have youth academies, it's why they do all this stuff, because it's about protecting the investment of the owner
@@okapi3202 I just don’t see a benefit to adding it. I don’t think more fans will be interested and I don’t think there is a stable soccer market to sustain interest
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I hear what your saying about social media posts. Since I heard about their launch I signed up for the Carolina Ascents email list and they post regularly. About once a week. They have tried to build support by supporting women's soccer programs in the state and sharing highlights and news it's good stuff
Randomly stumbled upon this. As much as I think with the short time schedule will be damaging like you said, I'm guessing they're trying to enulate the wild success of the PWHL on the womens side of hockey. The problem is, the PWHL's success came from the fact that unlike the former PHF, the top stars in Womens Hockey, players on the US and Canada national teams (like Hilary Knight, MPP, Taylor Heise, Sarah Nurse, Kendall Coyne, etc) are playing there. Those are likely the names that most mens hockey fans are familiar with via NHL All-Star events and international highlights. The problem of course, is that the equivalent players in soccer... are already in the NWSL.
As far as Aurora, like someone else said, the team is community owned and while they are looking at selling more shares (I hope they do as a local Supporter who wasnt around for the first sale), they dont satisfy the ownership demands of the USSF. I would love to see the team go pro, especially as someone who's working towards a career in Womens Sports, but unfortunately unless an exception is granted or the community overwhelmingly agrees to sell to an ownership group, it wont be happening soon.
I don't usually watch videos right when they are posted but this one was a must watch. I was waiting on his opinion on this and I completely agree 💯
I can see why US soccer gave both division one status given the fact that the super league in one year already has the same number of clubs as the NWSL does in 12, but ultimately, I think there will only be two possible outcomes. The two leagues will merge to make a 24 team league, or they will merge to become the first to have pro rel between the two.
I get the feeling that USL Super is just trying to build so they can merge with NWSL.
My prediction, they will become d2 and hopefully pro/rel. 8 team nwsl with d2 west 8 team and d2 east 8 team. At least that would make most sense
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What's the problem with the name Super? I am personally offended.🙃
It's Spokane spocan
USL Superleague is named in construction with the English women's Superleague. Most women's leagues are called Superleague
Aside from the USL SL, and WSL, I don't know other womens football/soccer leagues that are called "superleague".
If someone does know, enlighten me.
Instead of creating new teams for Women. They should've done what the world does... Main teams having a women's team for example... DC United W, LA Galaxy W. That way you use the same venues.
Not for me. Women's teams should have their own names, as is the case in the NWSL.
Nice video
Why do Americans complicate soccer so much....
Here are my thoughts.USL Super League is a good name, since its copying Womens Super League in England, it makes sense.
Ive noticed the general NWSL ex players dont want a USL super league competitor because they feel they are barely starting to gain success with the NWSL. Ok fair point i guess even if it is a selfish take, they can believe that.
Obviously another professional league is good to advance womens US soccer, take a look around we are starting to suck on the world stage, ive said this for years.
You can take alot of those really young kids and put them in this league for a season or two, and hopefully it improves them. You are starting to see alot of youth in NWSL, and media hype and really that player is not even pro ready and should be a bench warmer, with the exception of what 1 or 2 players that did good not great.
The bad thing for the fan is I already watch MLS, NWSL, Champions League, Concacaf and nations league, Premier league highlights, among other world soccer games. My viewing time is already congested with a crap load of games already. Yeah I do support my local MLS and NWSL team, but its asking alot from supporters, so they better bring a really good product. No VAR with good refereeing would be a good start.
I lose the hype when they pushed back Arizona teams to next season
I hope you're wrong , I want them to succeed. Many they drop down to level 2. Hopefully, they will bring in more teams from the W-league and be successful as USLC. I want this to work so more female soccer players can still meet and make the overall women's game better. But we must give time and patience. And f*ck the cowards in MLS for what thier doing to the US Open Cup.
I couldn’t care tbh
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