Tubliss vs Heavy Duty Tube
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- čas přidán 15. 11. 2019
- Ever wonder if you should go with Heavy Duty tubes or the Nuetech Tubliss 2.0 system.
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I think we can all agree if you are into riding single track or riding hard enduro. The stock OEM tube just will not hold up to the abuse that gnarly single track hands out.
Buying the right tube tire system can make or break your riding trip.
You need to make sure that the system you choose is right for you.
I go into the pros and the cons of the Heavy Duty Tubes
Pros
Inexpensive
Easy to work with
Cons
Still can get a flat or pinched flats
Have to carry more tools
Higher PSI
We also go into the pros and the cons of the Nuetech Tubliss System 2.0
Pros
No more pinched flats
Easy to fix
Run it an PSI
Cons
Expensive
Small learning curve to install
Have to drill holes in Rim
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HD tube can go down to 5 psi on gummy tires with 2 rim locks without tub moving at all.
3 psi on mid terrain tires.
Tubliss can go down to 0 psi.
Tubliss is troublesome, you gotta check psi of inner tube loss and putter tire every ride.
So just choose what suits your need best
Tubliss will be my next upgrade. Really like the idea of running low psi in the tire
To me that’s probably the best part about the Tubliss system.
Channel is taking off! Good luck, Sam!
Scott Gaskill thanks! I really appreciate it.
Hey Sam,
Good info for people who may not be familiar with Tubliss. You abd Kyle sold me on Tubliss a few years ago. In fact, I bought my first Tubliss set up from you, at the time, you had an extra set you were willing to unload. Gotta say, it's been one of the best mods on my bike, in addition to my Lectron carb. In my mind the cost is offset by both the convenience, security and flexibility that tubes don't give you. Not to mention time and hassle saved on the trail. Well worth the investment, I've had mine running for almost 70 hrs and about 1500 miles through several tire sets.
Thanks for the videos Sam, keep up the good work..🤙😎🤙
Thanks Phil. I remember that I talked your ear off the day I sold you the Tubliss haha. Thanks for the comment.
1500 miles with several sets?? You need some stronger tires
Great review mate
Thanks
Thanks good info..Just got s first bike that has tubeless already..Didn't know you can have a tubeless dirt bike tire..
Nice ! Tubliss is one of my favorite upgrades. Just make sure the inner bladder has 110 psi before every ride
Tubliss is far superior, but requires maintenance. In South Africa our biggest cause of punctures is thorns. You have to run the Tubliss in conjunction with liquid tyre sealant. The sealant usually latex based dries out, and must be replenished, especially if you keep the same tyres on the bike for extended periods. Another advantage of Tubliss is because they are lighter than thick tubes, the rotational mass is far less.
Also I have found that many Tubliss systems get damaged when the trye irons accidentally damage the bead of the Tubliss, especially with the earlier Tubliss which had wire beading, later versions have a kevlar bead if I am not mistaken.
I agree with everything you said! Yeah I run tire sealant in my tires as well. What part of South Africa are you from. I’ve been to Cape Town but that’s it.
@@BackcountryLife I am in Port Elizabeth, 750km east of Cape Town. We have the best riding terrain in the country, on our doorstep, pretty much unregulated. Cape Town is too commercial, too developed and no riding area close by. We have the Wild Coast about 400km from us, tribal land unfenced, most beautiful coast line in the country. A little further away is Lesotho, home to The Roof of Africa, also open to riding virtually unrestricted.
@@waynepettitt2000 sounds pretty amazing.
@@BackcountryLife Yes, it really is an amazing place, just a pity about the politicians who are stuffing up this country, no future for our kids.
I've been on tublis for close to 20 years. Very few problems, most are user created. I'm hooded on the 4 to 5 psi traction.
Yeah I have been using Tubliss for years as well. I’m a big fan. Definitely most issues are user error for sure. Thanks for the comment
How long do these bladders last
@@jamesking4225 At least 2 years. Easy and cheap to change the inner small tube. Lone precaution it's better to use tires with strong side walls, so you won't dent the rims.
“Hooded”?
@@jamesking4225 My front bladder wore thin where it goes by the rimlock stem even though I always used generous amounts of silicone lube on it. It laster several tires though and now I just inspect it every time I change a tire and if it looks that its getting worn then I just replace the bladder. Its pretty cheap insurance.
Amen to keeping the inner pressure up. I didn't. Tore the valve. Bugger. You really do need to keep an eye on it.
wise advice. I check my just about every single ride.
Absolutely amazing in my arsenal. This means I can make any tube system rim into Tubliss?
Yep, its awesome.
I run Tubliss on two of my bikes. Worked great on rear, but I've had issues getting the fronts to seal at the spoke holes. My xr400 didn't sell from the get go, my wife's XT250 sealed at first, but after a few rides now also leaks through the spoke holes. I followed the instructions to a T.
aw man I have only had the front leak on me once and I took the tire off and re-did it and it no longer leaked.
I am playing with the idea of a mousse or Tubliss in the rear, and a heavy-duty tube in front. I rarely ride rocks, but do occasionally. I feel like it may be a decent compromise for the average person who isn't made of money.
@@Jimmy_Watt Let me know how it goes!
Have either of the tires that leak ever had a rim lock installed?
If so, the small grooves left from the teeth on the rim lock aren’t allowing the Tubliss to seal to the tire bead.
Actually there should be no pressure at the spoke holes. The bladder has pressure and there is pressure between the tire and red liner. If you see leakage from spoke holes then the real leak is between the red liner and tire. I have used the soap water technique and it has worked fine. Some tire sealant might be even better.
Do the high pressure chamber stay at 110psi ? Or does it loose pressure over time?
yeah, the 110 inner bladder can lose pressure over time. I check it before every ride.
What if you know your gonna run like a 20/18 pressure and never go lower, on like a BDR. then what would you choose, thanks
Still would choose the Tubliss can you can run it whatever pressure you want.
Sam, please tell me you've tried that yzx with a washer removed from the governor. It wakes up that bike sooo much! Basically like a red spring on the orange bikes.
This is the first I've seen of your channel, subscribed!
Thanks for the sub. This is the first time hearing about removing the washer from the governor. I’ll have to check that out. Great tip! You riding a yzx?
@@BackcountryLife Yes I have one. if you look at your manual, remove the washer that's closest to the spring, it puts less tension on the power valve. You can check it out on Thumper Talk under yz250x power valve mod. Guys have tried all different scenarios and removing that one seems to be the best. It's free and takes about 20 minutes. I also love a milled head on this bike. It makes jetting a lot easier and who's going to complain about more bottom end, lol.
I’ll have to read up on that. Sounds like an interesting mod. Did you feel like you got more grunt down low?
@@BackcountryLife When the bike was stock, it felt like the power valve was opening up too late. Removing that washer makes it open earlier but not in a violent way. It's still smooth, just more usable power and you don't have to clutch it as much on hills. It also makes shifting from 4th to 5th more seamless. To answer your question, It gives more mid not low. But if you pair that with a head (which gives more low) it's a seamless bottle of joy!
Have u ever installed on a tire that was previously mounted with a rim lock?
I have brand new bike never riden and question this install because supposedly the rim lock marks the tire and Tubliss won't seat correctly at this spot?
Yes, all my brand new bikes I remove the tubes and the rim locks and turn around and install that same tire with tubliss and I haven't has ANY issues.
@@BackcountryLife anything I should do to the part of the tire the rim lock may have marked?
Thanks for this boost of positive
Thanks for the video. I just picked up a set of Tubliss. Did you have issues with the balance of the tire? I get a serious vibration at higher speeds because of the imbalance in the weight. Should I purchase some spoke weights to balance it out?
Really, in the 10+ years I have ran Tubliss I have never had issues with the tire being out of balance. I wonder if its the spokes needing to be tightened. Are you riding tubliss on the road?
@@BackcountryLife I have about a mile or two to ride on the street (on my 2022 KLX300 dual sport with Michelin AC10's) before I get to the trail. It seems like if you're 1. not riding on the street 2. airing down to 5psi before you ride, you won't notice it. I've seen other Tubliss users respond to me as the person below did (in quotes) from another Tubliss video. "I had the same issue at speeds above 30 mph. I added spoke weights and used those to balance the wheels. That completely solved the problem."
@@srfsno_ Interesting. Yeah, I do not spend very much time on pavement and I run anywhere between 5-7 psi. I do rip down desert roads as fast as I dare go but I have not had any wobble. Spoke weights might be the trick
i sometimes cruise on dirt roads going 40mph, can it handle the higher speeds? i know some people talk about mousse turning to dust at ultra high speeds.
Yes it can
Took a trip down Baja Peninsula last yr. WOT stretches down beaches, deserts, rocks, & highways.
15 bikes. All 300s, 500s, & 350s.
All started with new Mousses. Only 1 turned to dust after 1500 miles.
Technically you don’t have to drill another hole for the tubliss harder to install with them spread apart but it can be done.
Bobby Ratliff that’s true!
On some bikes like my Husqvarna the holes are already close enough just had to drill one of them to bigger size so the tubliss bead lock would fit through.
I rode my tubliss with a flat rear tire and the tube wore through the red outer part and was down to the cords. It's destroyed.
Whoa really? How long was the ride?
How about installing in crf 250 rally which will be used in black top road and off road. Is speed and heat is issue for black top. What is the maximum psi we can put in the tubliss system.
So they don’t recommend Tubliss for the black top.
@@BackcountryLife What do you recommend for the dual sport use to solve the flat tyre problem.
I have recently upgraded my e scooter battery, controller and motor. It was 1000w when I bought it and now at full charge can run at 8400w, tops out about 60mph and can hit 50mph under 4 seconds. The tyres are 3.50/4 (10"x3") I've gone through 3 inner tubes on the back wheel from aggressive starts. Are 3.50/4 heavy duty tubes any good at hight torture on small wheels?
Sounds like a beast! Yeah heavy or ultra duty tubes will help but not sure if it will solve the problem
@@BackcountryLife Thanks mate. How can I be sure I'm buying heavy or ultra? Subscribed
@@colinriches1519 they’ll say on the box and they’ll be 3mm or 4mm
@@toyotasupra97 Thanks for the reply. I went through a couple of 4mm tubes and decided to go tubeless in the end. Had to get new wheels but it was definitely worth it. It's now rocking slightly lighter 65/90 6.5 wheels, put through it's paces with no problems. It's obviously not as quick off the mark, given the increase of moment arm but it's hardly noticeable even on hills and I'm ok with it.
behold, the unskilled
Tubliss offers less protection to your rims. Bent font and rear rims on different rides. Going back to HD tubes. Easier to replace a tube than rims.
Thanks for your input.
If you run same pressure then tubliss should give better protection as the bladder sits a bit higher than the rim. Ofcourse with same pressure the point of tubliss is pretty much gone. So the issue is not tubliss but running too low pressure with soft sidewall tires which is tempting but can be dangerous for rims.
Is it worth running Tubliss in the front?? I’ve never had a flat in the front. Been riding for 30 years. I do run Tubliss in the rear.
I think it is....The fact that I can run it at a lower PSI helps with deflections.
Tubliss on the front is awesome. I like to run a 90 front tire and under 10 PSI and its like having an extra inch of suspension. Really smooths out the ride
I agree it makes the front smoother.
Hey what brand of tubless do u get ?
I run Nuetech Tubliss in all of my dirt bikes and have for almost a decade. IMHO it's the best all-around tire solution on the market. www.rockymountainatvmc.com/tires-and-wheels/nuetech-tubliss-gen-2.0-%28tubeless%29-tire-system-p?ref=1022 If you are asking about tubes I prefer any heavy, ultra duty tubes.
I've raced many AMA grand prixs on these 10 years ago. A couple front failures burned me out so I stopped.
I suspect it was chafing around the beadlock area and possibly over tightening the lock?
I'm going back to them again.
Any suggestions on moto/GP setup?
I primarily use the Dunlop MX 33s and 53s.
I've been on mousse bibs too. They have their place for me still.
For racing, I would go with Mousse bibs as they really are the most indestructible solution out there.
Need to upload some YZ250X enduro videos 🙂
Yeah we do!!!
I recently did a 145km enduro rally 80km 1st loop didn’t even hit the 3L reserve was really impressed with the fuel economy some of the hills I was riding in 4th gear lol couple of stream crossings than did 65km advanced loop there were about 500 riders in the event 👍
You riding a YZ250X with the stock carb?
Yeah factory Keihin carb
If you have some good footage from it send it our way and maybe we could put together a video!!
Less unsprung weight too
For sure
Can you run a Tubliss with a tube?
I guess so but Tubliss is designed to have no tube.
I'd rather use mousse.
Tell me why?
@@BackcountryLife tubliss is expensive, harder to mount, still can get a puncture. For the price of 1 tubeliss I get 1 good mousse so no, thanks.
ha my rim already has the extra holes drilled.
Yes most do but you sometimes need to make one of the holes larger.
When you say it’s more complicated with tubeless do you mean tubeless conversion from tubed?
Yes Tubliss is a little more complicated then a normal tubed solution.
Mousse
Mousse is the most indestructible but there are some downsides. The dead feeling and the ability to not be able to adjust the PSI is a downside to me.
Backcountry Life not carrying tools for tires, not ever checking pressure and absolutely never getting a flat while deep in the back country or racing outweigh all the negatives for me. They feel good once they are worked in.
Which mousse vids do you run?
go with a Mousse! :)
Mousse is the most bullet proof option we have.
Ultra HD tubes are getting expensive! In the long run, TuBliss might be cheaper. I've pinched flatted, and trashed tubes on install, lol.
I've had an issue with TuBliss once, I put slime in high pressure bladder to see if it helped to keep in pressure over time(it helped some), but some slime mucked up my valve, pressure loss took 10 minutes, that ride sucked, lol. Not ot really a TuBliss fault(user error), lol.
I've got tire sets with mousse's for racing, but love TuBliss everywhere else!
I ride with guys with tubes, it's great, they pack tools and extra tubes. I pack some plugs and a pump 😁
Yeah they are getting more expensive for sure. When it counts mousse bibs are the most reliable system for sure. Thanks for letting you know what issues you had with Tubliss it’s a great system but isnt indestructible. Haha yeah I don’t want to pack tubes, spoons and a pump. But really the ability to run at a really low PSI is why I use Tubliss.
Why don't you just tell that you use tubliss ?
Fair point