A new look at Ernest Hemingway
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- čas přidán 29. 08. 2024
- To many, writer Ernest Hemingway, author of such classics as "The Sun Also Rises," "A Farewell to Arms" and "The Old Man and the Sea," was the very definition of toxic masculinity. But a new PBS documentary finds the writer's literary image, personality and sexuality are not so cut-and-dried. Correspondent Mark Whitaker talks with filmmakers Ken Burns and Lynn Novick, and with Hemingway scholar Marc Dudley, about re-examining the larger-than-life writer in the age of #MeToo.
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A real man. Creative, flawed, lived on his own terms and made a contribution to human beings through his stories.
Agree... the last real man.
what's a real man?
@@dorothyotto5827 Masculine. Protective. Flawed but trying?
Men referring to other men as “toxic masculine” have great insecurities about their masculinity
This is spot on
Yes agreed.
True-- what is wrong with being masculine)?!
no disrespect but i really don’t think you understand what toxic masculinity is
Cherry picking that out of this entire clip says quite a bit about you. 🤔
You spent no time on his actual literary art but minutes on his sexuality. Come on, guys.
I totally agree
The new story is his sexuality among other things. We already know about his art. Come on, guy.
this is typical of literary academics, as an english major in college i can guarantee you that everything all the time is about sexuality to the literary community. it gets exhausting
A Great Writer!!
Well the title was called, A New look at Earnest Hemingway, not the work of Earnest Hemingway!
Nothing is worse than judging the past by the ideals of the present
Truth is Truth.
You are correct!!!!!!!!
Your so right
so we dont have to judge slavery, hitler, stalin, hiroshima ans so on??
@@partizankapartizanochka7034 That's not at all what he is saying. The ideals of the present have changed throughout time, slavery, hitler, stalin and hiroshima were always horrible things. People were always able to see that, whether they could control it was a different thing.
I never thought that he was toxic I just thought he was a great writer. What in the world is wrong with being masculine
It's the latest fashion. If it weren't for masculine and macho men we wouldn't be enjoying the freedom we have today in most of the world.
Nothing wrong
A great writer. Last real man in America.
@@tutubeas10 lmfao
The problem with the current cancel culture is that you cannot easily apply the standards of today to people who lived and died even 30 years ago. Being critical of what was totally acceptable then but taboo now is an unfair standard. Of course they know this, but they have an agenda, and they can't let fairness and reason stand in the way.
I do think this man born over a century ago was heavily influenced by the values and mores of his time. But this I can tell you this from my own experiences with Depression and PTSD from nearly 3 years in combat zones and several concussions and that is this: few people will ever look at you as a person with a history of mental illness and head injury, most will look at you as a person with severe character faults, i.e. a mal-adjusted person to stay away from....and they will judge you accordingly, regardless of how you may have recovered.... watch the video clip from his CBS interview .... this is not a man of weak character and poor moral judgment who drinks too much and is being forgetful, it shows a man who is seriously suffering the effects from head injury and cognitive deficit....I do not think this documentary would have been made or funded if it did not serve as an exposé to show Hemingway’s hidden behaviors.....Surely these behaviors are nothing to be emulated and cannot be completely attributed to his war experiences, mental illness, alcohol excess and head injury.... but let’s look at the whole picture before we start casting judgment and think twice before we cancel a person whose writing style sets the standard for American literature.
This culture watches the movie Gone With The Wind and, most of all, they enjoy laughing at the women's clothing of the day.
I don't believe in cancel culture of the past. That's changing history. History, good or bad, is wise to be remembered
How was he misogynist and racist? They put this big charges on him with no evidence other than he likes to hunt and box.
One of my favorite writers.
His private life was his own business.
Period.
If you think that then you haven’t watched the documentary and you truly don’t understand Hemingway. Of all authors, his works are the most influenced by the attitudes of his private life. Period.
@@victorkong82 You're wrong when you stated I dont understand Hemingway. Not at all , because Ive been reading and analyzing his literature for twenty years now, therefore you're making a very incorrect assessment of me . No you can't but that doesn't mean you still can't appreciate it. In my modest opinion, the documentary suffers from a PC type of bias, which makes it look like an immense biographical rewriting meant to appease. Look, I'm giving you an example : I really enjoy the Red Army Choir but I detest communism. However, they bring a patriotic "punch" to their music. You shouldn't pass off art because the artist is a controversial figure. Why? Because it makes you narrow minded - by focusing mostly on the person - and aligned with a particular agenda. You should examine and appreciate it for what it is. Try being fully impartial, stay away from judgements, and you'll be able to appreciate his work to the fullest. Period and enough said.
Dostoevsky, Hemingway, Kerouac, Burroughs, Thompson, writers that writers, that young people in high school, should know! (in my opinion)
His praise of Bullfighting during this documentary as an “art form” diminished his standing as an artist and certainly as an “intellectual”. It matters who a person is in his private life...otherwise, there would be no problem singing the praises of OJ Simpson. Or ...Derek Chauvin who also had a death struggle with someone he THOUGHT was only an animal.
AND A GIANT MIDDLE FINGER TO KEN BURNS FOR INCLUDING THE GERIATRIC LLOSA AND HIS ABSURD ANTIQUATED THINKING!
Public persons rarely have a private life. If you want your life to be private, don’t become famous.
"Toxic Masculitiy"?? Hey buddy how far do you think his writing would have moved us as much as it did without that overarching "masculine" feel one gets from his great genius as reflected in the stories. Spare us the politically correct crapola when discussing one who was the greatest writer of the 20th century and possibly of all time. Masculine, in this sense was an integral and required part of his persona and genius. His genius eclipses lightweight reporting such as this piece of what passes for 'journalism' these days, Thank God his genius will still stick in the human mind long after tacky personality hit pieces like this are forgotten.
Judging a figure from the past by current standards is low IQ mental gymnastics.
Hemingway was the greatest American writer of all time. Even if you cancel him, you can’t cancel the generations of authors profoundly influenced by his work (whether such authors realized his influence or not).
Greater than Herman Melville?
Dreiser is much better, more ambitious in reflecting the era, morality and realities, deeper and more professional in word mastery and style. There are a lot of American authors many times more talented and interesting than Ham: Mark Twain, Jack London, O. Henry, John Steinbeck, Faulkner, Truman Capote, Jack Kerouac, William S. Burroughs, Ken Kesey and others
Name one.
I'm just curious where you'd rank Faulkner? Personally I like Hemingway better, I am a fan I'll admit and I've only read a small amount of Faulkner. I did think Faulkner was a more complex writer and I want to read more.
@@rusbread Rubbish.
You never needed to use a dictionary while reading his books. I think he did this because he wanted people (even the lay person) to enjoy his books. I think his mother may have had an impact on him since she seemed to be a dominate person. She would dress him in girls clothes sometimes.
So true! I love Toni Morrison but a dictionary or laptop better be nearby when reading her works.
Hemingway's books are uniquely accessible, yet so rich. He was a true artist.
I never need to use a dictionary when I read books by most authors.
Nor Orwell
His vocabulary simply was not rich
They love to say toxic masculinity
I wonder if that's just how they say 'masculinity' or for some of these people there's a 'masculinity' which isn't toxic. It's strange he can't just be a 'bad person', they have to tie it in with this sex/gender.🤔
Men are the only type of people that aren’t allowed to be themselves within a fair playing field, as today goes. Hemingway never did anything wrong beyond complicated matters that all people do and face everyday. His artistry and persona breaks through the current silly trends of social justice, easily.
there's a good reason for it, too, gdit
1:39 Karen alert. "ChAllEnGiNg aT bEsT aNd prOblEmAtiC."
How embarrassing to take this approach to one of the greatest geniuses America has ever seen. I hate living in this timeline. I hate the moral police who judge everything and everybody. I hate the corporate do-gooders who try to run our lives. I wish I could transport back to the early 1900s and be a boss like E.H.
The world*
He wasn’t American, he by his own admission, was a world citizen
He and Jack London
Okay, boomer.
It’s ridiculous to cancel history it is what it is the time was different back then. I think he was brilliant in his writings. Without him we wouldn’t have Hunter Thompson
He was a man of his time. You can't judge him by today's standards.
Well said ,So many historical people are judged by today's standard
Also true.
I am not very fond of the way in which Mark Whitaker conducted the note, I perceived it as quite judgemental, diservicing the audience; I feel that when Lynn Novick was talking about the quite interesting topic of the short hair of Hemingway's wives, opening the door to a deeper discussion about his sensibilities and a complementary light to appreciate his work, she was awfully drowned to square one to give a "yes, you see, some boys like boys and some girls like girls" explanation when Mr Whitaker so blatantly reduced the matter to "so he was a papa that wanted to be a mama"
I would rather be around 1,000 Ernest Hemingways than one woke leftist soyboy.
This CBS segment is embarrassing, and you can tell the people behind it aren’t very bright. On the other hand, the documentary, which I binge-watched, is excellent, and made by some very clever people indeed.
They all sound like 12 year old girls.
Agree, too much focus on the salacious and not enough on Hemingway’s literary genius. Sign of the times, I guess.
Halfway through this piece, when the gears shifted into Hemingway's private sex life I asked myself, why do we care? If it wasn't illegal, why do we care and why aren't we talking about his writing?
Oh...my....Americans passing judgments on the dead
I find it hard to dismiss the fact that he lied about his age and eyesight to drive ambulances for another country, got wounded, carried another soldier, got shot, picked him up carried him further, got shot, and carried it further. Later on he went to France in WW2 as a correspondent only to gain command of a company of soldiers and charged the front lines firing. I wouldn’t call this “masculinity,” but bravery. I mean he survived two plane crashes in as many days. I don’t think it’s a façade that conceals his awfulness, but one part of a personality that includes true bravery, and truly inexcusable condcut.
I am so tired of the hormoneless castrated views of todays journalists. Many great known people of history had there flaws, it doesn't mean that you have to destroy them and take down the great things they did.
I'm not a depressive and so I was surprised how I got so depressed watching the first 2 or 3 episodes. Just being in his world was such a downer for me. I concluded it wasn't for me.
Yeah...very heavy.
This is an example of how small people downsize great person. ..by their own tiny measurements.
It would be an interesting exercise to round up all the horrible people from the arts, politics, military etc..., and cancel all of them. I’m afraid what we would be left with is a lot of meh!
I enjoyed the 3-part series on him. I learned so much behind the alcoholism; plus the mental struggles he inherited. All his wives were strong in my opinion. Especially to deal with his somewhat narcissistic behavior. I don’t say he was a narcissist but a man that was allowed/encouraged to take on the persona. Hence his sexuality. He was able to expressed being vulnerable and shedding the whole macho cape with certain wives.
Where is the 3 or series ?
Ernest Hemingway was The Man. PBS is filled with PC Correct abiding reporters. Great reporting, lol. Woke reporters changing the history of historic authors. Thanks so much.
Well I could imagine Mr Hemingway would be a "lightning rod" in todays "woke society"...but he probably wouldn't give a hoot about what people thought about him!!!
Saw this. Really liked it. It is tragic, and it is, above all, a story about a very talented man that was flawed, suffered greatly and yet it was amazing to see how the creative force was strong, if not urgent for expression. What was painful, was how his private life had such dissonance with the public life he portrayed. The human condition....
Thanks for the memories, Hemingway.
Ken Burns has such a fine narrative voice for these PBS documentaries, as well as Jeff Daniels (of Dumb & Dumber and 101 Dalmatians ‘96) who has a unique voice for Hemingway, himself.
Daniel's also in Newsroom and more serious roles.
It was narrated by Peter Coyote.
What books have any of these people written? What wars have they won? I am quite sure when faced with war and death, all the people in this piece would have run the other way.
Oh God, why would these people slime Earnest by dragging this legend into the 21st century social BS? How absolutely shameful. I stopped watching this channel years ago.
This is why it is called PRIiVATE life. You have no business knowing about it.
Hemingway lived in action: bullfighting, hunting in Africa living overseas, smoking cuban cigars and loving several women. He lived as few men live now.
“wHeN iS hEmIngWay gOnNa bE cAnceLed??”
*CBS for ya…*
They already are, aren't they? Saying that he wanted to be a girl and wanted his wives to be men. Did it occur to anyone that his ex-wife made it up to sell a book and get back at him? Nah...never happens.
@@DetroitHomeInspector I'm a big fan of Hemingway, but even if that sexual stuff is true I don't care. It was the mans personal sex life for goodness sakes, why do these journalists care? Oh yeah, money. In any case none of that sexual stuff is even remotely illegal either. Personally, I'll focus on the writing.
Oddly enough, no mention of his six-toed cats he took care of in Key West. I think this reflects a softer, perhaps more feminine side of Hemingway ( in keeping with the whole androgeny thing )
He was a literary giant, so of course he was too complex for the average to comprehend. And as a great writer, he was everyone of his characters, be it male or female. Because that's what artistic geniuses do.Duh.
Ken Burns and Lynn Novick are fair to Hemingway and are both likable, professional reporters. It appears that they came away from their project with a changed, deeper opinion of Mr. Hemingway. Anyone who has read about and researched the life of Ernest Hemingway are all too familiar with his flaws and his bedroom preferences and his contradictions. And they seem to understand that Hemingway's behavior is very unacceptable in today's world, but at the same time Hemingway did live in a different times. I admire their grasp of it all.
A lot of artists/musicians/writers are more interesting than the art that they produce. Some art is more interesting than the artist. Infrequently, the artist and the art are worthy of our attention. Hemingway is one of the latter.
It seems that the interviewer, Mark Whitaker, is only interested in amusing himself with the contradictory facts about Mr. Hemingway that run against the stereotype most associated with the writer. There is no appreciation or affection of Hemingway by Mr. Whitaker. He seems to be panting and almost salivating when he digs up what he considers to be paparazzi dirt and not the whole subject. His mindset is very much stuck in the too-current empty headed TV shows like "Extra" and the very half-witted Saturday Night Live of the past decades, and there is nothing universal or classy in his understanding of Ernest Hemingway.
Whitaker didn't say anything or ask any questions to indicate that Whitaker had read Hemingway outside of required reading in high school English classes the night before a midterm. There is a lot of sophomoric, smug "nudge-nudge" that is beneath the richness that we usually see on the very fine CBS Sunday Morning show. His questions and comments are more designed to get something juicy on film rather than giving his audience something they didn't already know about Hemingway.
Ernest Hemingway was a human being. A very good human being and a very bad human being. If one wishes to read about a perfect human being, then one is better off reading the New Testament, but alas there wouldn't be the interesting bits of cheese Mark Whitaker salivates over. And Whitaker might have to put some thought into his reporting in regards to the Bible. Thoughtful is the last word that comes to mind in Mr. Whitaker's interview. He seems to be only capable of aiming at the easy target. And missing.
The "gaping wound" in this woke hit piece was not that he had so many demons but that they gloss over why. If this had been about a female writer, they would have spent hours going over all the damage his mother did to him in his youth!!
Oh my. The man was an extraordinarily gifted writer. He was flawed as most of are.
Attempted hatchet job fails. This agist cross-generational discrimination must stop. For his era, Hemingway was socially progressive. Trying to judge him by 21st century standards is evil. If you condemn Hemingway for being a man of his times, then you condemn all of your own ancestors. What is wrong with us that we can't understand people in their historical context without contemporary judgement?
This video comes too close to being a hit piece. MLK cheated on his wife....AND???? This is much ado about nothing.
Nobody should be "canceled". History shouldn't be "canceled". My God, what is happening to this country? The rest of the world laughs.....
How is history being canceled? Go to a museum or a library and you will find history.
@@laurah6381I think he means attacking others and erasing history leads to history repeating itself. Reminds me of when radical Christians would book burn, we often called them pilgrims. The same is going on the Left side of the aisle, woke pilgrims. Such as some schools not teaching biology, or skipping over chromosomes. Even history. This is what I call woke pilgrims.
There is a fine line between being famous and the dirty laundry that hangs on it ...
Well, Hemingway’s has his own annual look-alike contest that’s been going on for over 40 years in Key West Florida. Name any famous actors, actresses, public figures will have their own look-alike contest ?
The KB doc is one of his best yet. Even though I knew how he left this earth. The ending was very emotional to me. What an adventurous tortured life this man led.
Don’t worry sweetheart Papa wouldn’t take you as a wife. He didn’t like “Karens”
When I was in High School, I read everything he wrote... Books and Short Stories. I even crafted a painting of him in Senior Art Class! I worshiped him and his craft to draw in a reader from the very first sentence.... and then I learned he committed Suicide and my admiration faded for a few years.... Now, I believe he is the greatest writer of the the 20th Century! God Rest his Soul of Happy Memory!
Drinking absinthe destroyed his mind. He tried to walk into the propellers of an airplane in Africa.
My understanding is that he was in severe pain chronically after his plane crash in Africa. Maybe don't be so judgmental of suicide, not sure if that's a religious view but it's ignorant.
Killing aspects of our history because they conflict with our current standards is ridiculous. I think the propensity to do so is largely driven by a general ignorance of history and attributing the attitudes of characters to those of their creators. We had to be there, to go through the horrible things we did, in order to get here. It's like trying to erase the legs of the ladder we're climbing behind us as we climb. Maybe Hemingway represents one of the most accessible examples of our history when our failure to learn the lessons of history will doom us to repeat it. Nowhere is the history we're supposed to learn from said to be limited to textbooks of historical events. The urge to "cancel" Hemingway is also driven by the ignorant notion that there is a risk in exposing people to examples of unacceptable behavior. If that were the case, we'd have to cancel art. Period. The whole point of art is to draw attention to and illustrate, sometimes celebrate and sometimes decry, the age within which it was created. Art is cultural history.
If you are one of those that believes in correcting our past because you find it unpleasant or revolting, you might try learning how to place history and its art in context. Or isn't that something they teach in school, anymore? Cancel culture at its core is a cop out designed to end a debate before it even begins by calling out the cancelled as someone or some idea that doesn't merit discussion. But far from a demonstration of strength and solidarity, cancel culture is the bully, the 20-yard Tough Guy who punches the source of his disagreement. It is the refuge of little minds.
Wow, what a ride those episodes were !!!
😲🤹🤪⚡🎉🍷🧨🍸🍺🥃
These are mainly lies mixed with known truths. The fact is there is very little about Hemingway we do not know. His life was an open book. The truths here are mixed with fictional accounts of what today’s world wants to make a famous writer into. Hemingway had a Gay son whom he was openly ashamed of. That is a fact. Hemingway was not a racist, no more than George Washington was, but a product of the times…a cold hard reality of life back then. Yes he was an alcoholic and a womanizer who could only be monogamous when he was depressed or when he had diabetes and bouts of extremely high blood pressure. Gay he was not. I knew the Hemingway family for many years and read most if not all what is out there in the press, and the library, about papa. Those were the days when you could find some truth unlike now.
Posthumously going through someone's writing, lifting handpicked excerpts, then thinking you know enough about their sexuality to comment on it with a smirk on your face is pathetic. The man was tourtured by severe depression his whole life and still managed to create works that are unmatched. Maybe let him rest in peace without forcing a queer identity on a dead man because you find it salacious
Trust the art, but never the artist.
For me, it is all about his writing, and that is what should define him and not gossip without his ability to respond. You can't cancel his impact on 20th century literature. Fitzgerald had a colourful life but don't hear much about him.
My first step into the world of Hemingway was when I read The Old Man in the Sea back in middle school. At first difficult to understand, but, after watching the film adaptation with Spencer Tracy, I started to recognize how influential and interesting Hemmingway’s writing style was.
Ernest Hemingway was a genius, cbs suday morning not so much
Cancel Hemingway???!!! What a preposterous idea!
Ernest Miller Hemingway (July 21, 1899 - July 2, 1961) was an American novelist, short-story writer, journalist, and sportsman.
His economical and understated style-which he termed the iceberg theory-had a strong influence on 20th-century fiction, while his adventurous lifestyle and his public image brought him admiration from later generations.
Hemingway produced most of his work between the mid-1920s and the mid-1950s, and he was awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature in 1954.
He published seven novels, six short-story collections, and two nonfiction works.
Three of his novels, four short-story collections, and three nonfiction works were published posthumously.
Many of his works are considered classics of American literature.
for me !! Killing animals and controlling Women, Racist, and Putting people down !! He needs to be Humble !! as a person he needs to learn how to love himself!! Im not a fan of him at all
His mother's observations about his character were spot on and he hated her.
Oh killing animals is so bad you would rather
Have animals die of starvation what does that say about your psyche
This new documentary should be “canceled” get a life and check yourself before speaking on a dead man from a different era’s personal life this world is turning into something we all will soon hate.
Look! EH lived in a different time that should not be judged by modern views. We are making a huge mistake in this world now a days by not recognizing this. Im sympathetic to those in this world who cannot see this. Hemingway was flawed? By whose standards? Are we not all flawed? I will not push my beliefs here or anywhere and only I can judge myself and decide if I was flawed or not!
I don't understand why his sexual preferences or were important to his story other then for commercial
I beg PBS to look for another filmmaker than Ken Burns. He uses a template that is as interesting as one + one = ?
I think people are products of their time and it’s more valuable for us to have the ability to contextualize historical figures in that way instead of devaluing their accomplishments.
He was a creative man
Oh yay, presentism! Imagine being so insecure you talk down to dead people who lived in another time and place we have absolutely zero firsthand experience with. Empathy is dead, condescension reigns supreme.
I want to tell a story
That is all I want to do
A good honest tale
About this guy or you
Simple but complex
Easy to understand
Characters that are alive
Woman, child or man
Simple clear stories
One, two and three
Universal stories
About love and war and me
Well done Mr. Dale :)
This documentary really hasn't changed my view of Hemingway.
There has never been a person in history, famous or not, who was 100 percent perfect. And there should not be attempts to erase anyone from history because of failures in their personalities we all have. Even evil people like Hitler and Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Idi Amin and so on should not be eradicated from history. We must remind ourselves of them otherwise what they did could one day easily be repeated.
He to much of a “man for 2021” so now u attack his manhood by saying the worse thing possible smh
You didn't watch. It didn't, just explained his complexity.
Perhaps you should watch the documentary before making a judgment.
Such a pathetic comment... in so many ways....
Why did CBS end this segment on such a negative note? Hemingway was an amazing artist and an incredibly complicated person, and the documentary does a great job of exploring this. But to end with that quote after that question is disingenuous to Hemingway and the documentary. Not a great segment by CBS regarding the documentary or Hemingway.
Mary was an award-winning war reporter.
I'm thinking he would NEVER want to be married to*YOU*, lady!! 😂
Sixty-one! The man looked 90. How is that living a good life?
I love how they skipped over his work for the KGB. Communist sympathizer.
Why do we want to cancel everything for the way things were at that time?
This whole thing where we go through and pick apart people who are no longer here let me just say this Hemingway was a flawed human being who managed to make it inspired me to actually love life and by my own hand at writing. And for those out there who are doing the picking, you're not perfect either not by any stretch of the imagination because you know what you're a human being and your birth certificate is proof of damage. Knock it off
Exactly! You just know that the sanctimonious woman in the clip - that never produced anything close to the caliber of Hemingway - has all sorts af toxic traits that would be revealed if anyone did a hit job like this on her and her mediocre life.
Watching this, I can only think about Randy Feltface's but about Hemingway's life.
For Whom the Bell Tolls is one of my favorite . . . .
Metallica songs 😎🤘🔔
1.) Bull fighting is a great sport
2.) Hunting and deep sea fishing are great sports
3.)Traditional relationships between man and woman is a great thing.
4.) People have a right to believe as they wish that includes having the right to hold hateful racist ideas if they choose. (So long as they stay away from me)
5.)"wokism" is idiotic
6.) "Toxic masculinity" is not nearly as dangerous and destructive to civilization as toxic leftism or toxic liberalism
7.) It is not you people's job to "cancel" anyone.
8.) I find it fascinating that liberal lunatics still think of old Ernest as one of their heroes while the reality is if he were with us today he would probably want nothing to do with any of you. I suspect myself, on the other hand, if I ever met him, though we do not agree on many issues, we would easily sit down and drink a beer together and agree to disagree.
"Completely obedient and sexually loose" yeah, I like that.
I'm really under the impression that the Dos Eques beer commercial man is based on Ernest Hemingway hence the slogan "The Most Interesting Man In The World."
Ken Burns: “He IS the seminal writer in the 20th century FOR Americans.”
Fitzgerald: “Hold my drink.”
All of the people in this clip display the small mind of a bully. Not producing anything close to Hemingway - but having the lizardbrain and lack of respect to discuss having him cancelled.
I guess I don’t understand why we never say toxic feminity.
The boomers in this comment section are getting out of hand
...lucky for us Erne believed in the printed word, (ie closed captions), like thousands of other TV stations ! CBS obviously can't be bothered.
I always side eye the dudes that use that word toxic masculinity. I genuinely hate that word. The only toxic masculinity I see is when you put your hands on a women and that is more feminine behavior than masculinity.
HEMMINGWAY was and is the GREATEST AMERICAN writer who ever lived! PERIOD! To try and psychoanalyze him is like trying to put toothpaste back into the tube! Complicated yes...an enigma yes...but as a writer one if not THEE best! Let's just appreciate him for his writing...
For me, it's F. Scott Fitzgerald - no contest.
(If not spelling.)
With genius come A curse madness examples Edgar Allan Poe, Vincent Van Gogh, and Tesla unfortunately I could go on🤔
Based on this, I wouldn’t watch Burns’ documentary. If it’s half as terrible as this CBS report, it would be a total waste of time. (hearing Ken utter toxic masculinity I imagine it would be even worse!)
I couldn’t make it through this entire report- no way I’d invest a few hours more.
I think one thing that's being missed is the fact that back then there were certain "norms" for society, men were supposed to be strong and masculine and devonaire, women were stylish, stunning, but still had to comply with society "regulations" (for lack of a better word-ie "behaving themselves"). People nowadays are judging the past and trying to destroy what happened and how life used to be because it's offensive. We do need to progress and change to be better, but we can't learn from the past if it's destroyed. People who used to be revered are being belittled without the context of how society was at the time and how people thought and acted based on those assumptions. There is a need to study all of the facts together to get a full picture. It would also be great to take all this negative energy and put it into solving more imminent needs, instead of harping on things that can no longer be changed, only learned from. Society cannot improve or help it's citizens if it's too busy working on negative backlashes.
I think context is important. A lot of people in American society in the 1920s and 1930s thought that was and spoke that way. You shouldn’t get a pass ; but the reader should know what the language was back then.
I was not a mature enough ready to really appreciate Hemingway when I was in high school. I've never picked up a Hemingway book since. I used to say I couldn't stand him. I think it's time I gave him another try. I think I'm ready now.
Saw the documentary and did not know how many concussions he had during his time alive. Ken Burns with another masterpiece. Peter Coyote’s voice is mesmerizing.
A woke hit piece on a man who was betrayed by women in his youth and early twenties… and never trusted them.
Jesus, Lynn Novak, Ken Burns’ lapdog has no business putting Hemingway down for anything he did.
It all came from what his parents and women did to him.
Like to see their hit pieces on Famous Female writers who lied about their lives but were No Hemingway.
Of course that will never happen.
Hemingway risked his life in battle many times.
What has she ever done other than complain she doesn’t get enough credit?
Pathetic.
A society that attacks the people of their time will be devoured by the people of the future.
His Mother dressed himself and his sister's in different sexes clothes. Him in dresses and his sister's in boys clothes.
That's the answer to a question that will come up on the English test.
I hope ur not making up any untruths about Hemingway. Whatever words he used back then was commonplace.
These opinions are somewhat skewed because they - most of them - come from fragile liberals. Also the N word was commonly used back in the day just like many other words and the N word is still used today in all sorts of rap songs.
"Fragile liberals" ?
Viewing Hemingway through the current lens of feminism is wrong. This assigning current values to past peoples and civilizations has to stop.
What a poor, reductive, blinkered-by today’s-standards take on one of the greatest men and writers of all time.