The Trouble with Sorting || Hogwarts House Personality Analysis
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- This time on MonarchsFactory I get Too Easily Distracted by Harry Potter the task of nailing down the specifics of Hogwarts House identities, whether you be Gryffindor, Hufflepuff, Ravenclaw or Slytherin, and the inherent flaws of the sorting hat system.
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This is the best overthought analysis of fiction that I've heard in a LONG time! Haha love it 😂🤓
Hahaha, thanks :D
If I am understanding what you were saying, these are your (for lack of a better word) Dual House Identities:
Slytherdor:Outside Validation // Ravenpuff:Self Validation
or how do you find validation.
Slytherclaw:Self Oriented // Gryffinpuff:Community Oriented
or where do you place your goals (I did a really bad job in trying to get these ones down. It was much harder to put into words than I thought. I totally get what you mean).
Gryffinclaw:Focused // Slytherpuff:Planning
or how do you priortize.
I don't know if I nessisarily agree with these definitions, but I definitely find them interesting and will have to dwell on it for a bit.
One thing I have considered (because it is always the question of why do we sort kids who are still developing into houses like this) and one theory I have is that the sorting hat can see the future. It reads the threads of fate of each child and determines which house they belong in OR which house will help them grow.
My theory for the second part is this. I think Rowling said that the sorting hat has ever made 7 mistakes, one of them being Peter Pettigrew. His motivation is always out of fear. When he was at school he was seen as weak and a coward.
He grows past this a bit when with his friends, the Marauders, doing crazy things with them and eventually joining the order. But his cowardice eventually catches up with him as he betrays everyone out of fear.
We learn from Trelawny that no one can see the future perfectly. My theory is that the Hat sees Pettigrew giving into his cowardice even though he didn't want to. And so he sorts him into Gryffindor, in the hopes that by surrounding him with those like minded peers he will grow to be braver than he was.
Either way, I'd love to discuss any of this more.
Houses are always very fun. I think it's interesting as well considering that after the age of 17 and you graduate, it doesn't really matter. Once you get a job in the real world and aren't constantly wearing your house colors (I mean, you may still wear your scarf with pride like Newt) but it doesn't dictate anything. Kinda like it doesn't matter what group you hung out with in high school cause afterwards it's a new fresh slate. My thought has gotten away from me and now I'm just babbling. I'll end here!
Ooooh, that's super interesting! The idea of the hat trying to head off future issues by surrounding someone with the right people, that's kind of awesome. Especially works when you read Neville as a foil for Pettigrew, too.
I'm glad you see that too. Neville has been trying to prove himself brave (somewhat unintentionally) since the first book. Like when he stands up for himself against the trio before they go after the Sorcerer's Stone. It was something that he believed was right and he stood by it. Makes him a Gryffindor at heart. But the fact that Dumbledore gave him praise in front of everyone really helped encourage him to be brave. And we can really see him progress in a way that Pettigrew didn't.
I always read Neville's sorting as a mirror of Harry's. He would have done well in another house (I think Neville would have been better suited to Hufflepuff), but he didn't want to be in that house and asked to be in Gryffindor like his family. It also works for the prophecy, keeping Harry and Neville similar.
Yeah, Neville actually asked the hat to put him ih Hufflepuff. He didn't think he had what it takes to be in Gryffindor. However, the hat saw the bravery that was hiding in him (or possibly foresaw him being a total BA in the second battle) and went against what he chose.
Ian Moldovan I have an issue; let's take one example, say that slytherin/ gryffindor focus on outside validation. But is that really true? Because while both outwardly do focus on that, there's something to be said for the trials harry goes through that we see in the books are really "what are you in the dark," his response to which makes him a true gryffindor. And slytherin is just as much about plans or schemes that no one else (or at least not the wider world) will ever know about, and their success; a true slytherin who is cunning is not a braggart save when it suits their purposes. Outwardly shaping the world perhaps and recieving validation for achievement either way, but neither of those are receiving it from others; instead merely from within.
I do like the idea of the hat trying to head off problems, but am starting to think that it's more about intentionally promoting 4 specific ways of thinking/ producing 4 different varieties of people, and perhaps creating tribalistic factions; for what purposes in british wizarding society I don't know.
Dael whipped out a chart, she is not fucking around!
Seriously, you would not believe the amount of tables and graphs I've drawn up in my lifetime to discuss completely unimportant things...
I was so certain that I would be sorted into Ravenclaw that when Pottermore put me in Gryffindor, I was enraged. I logged out of the newly created account instantly! I received an email from them a month later, reminding me to fully enjoy the site and I was once more furious over my perceived slight.
I called my sister to rant about how wrong the Pottermore sorter was, when she stopped me, "Only a Gryffindor would be this angry about sorting for so long. They got you pegged."
I was blown away! She was right, of course. It was funny how relieved and good I felt after she pointed it out, and I laughed about how silly I had been.
She /is/ a Ravenclaw and was sorted as such. I love my clever little sister to bits!
freetalkn657 I'm a big believer on people belonging to whatever house they want to. I was originally sorted into Slytherin on Pottermore, and I refused to accept it. I was, in my heart of hearts, a Hufflepuff, and no quiz was going to tell me otherwise. :P
SnakeAndBadger My first thought upon hearing your story is that adorable snake wearing rabbit ears. "I will be the fluffiest and friendliest thing in the world, no matter the cost in blood and souls!" -BunnySnek
@@SnakeAndBadger I'd definitely don't want to dissapointed you, but only a Slytherin don't accept an answer as they wanted ( also this is just my point of view so you can either take it or not )
@@DaDunge Not really, a lot of Slytherins have Hufflepuff as a secondary house and vice-versa, they are all intertwined in a weird way
Have you tried the extended quiz? It asks all the questions from the quiz instead of a small fraction at random. That’s how I found out my house was Slytherin
The Ravenclaw/Gryffindor vs. Hufflepuff/Slytherin division reminds me of an analysis of Sebastian Stan's fight styles in Captain America: The Winter Soldier. The author describes Bucky Barnes as a sniper, he focuses on one threat at a time, and *then* pivots to see what other threats he needs to deal with. Winter Soldier is a hunter with a thousand mile stare. He isn't blatantly focused on handling any one particular thing, he's constantly observing and assessing everything. In the former cases we see laser-sharp focus of energy and attention with more immediate (and potentially dramatic) results. In the latter cases, attention is being spread out over the entire field of view and more energy is being put toward assessing and prioritizing than immediate directed action.
That is. SO. COOL. I love that, definitely relevant to my crazy person sorting hat analysis interests, thank you!!
short term vs long game. I would say "task oriented" vs "strategic"
good point.hmmm..
I've been distracted by _Skyrim_ for, like, the seventh distinct time.
Oof, I know them feels.
Those are rookie numbers :P
T.E.D. videos are magnificent. One of my absolute favorite things to say is, "You've thought about this way too much. Now tell me everything." It's always a fun and interesting ride through things that utterly capture other people's focus.
Haha, I like that phrase a lot
wouldn't it make more sense for all students to spend a random order for their 7 years in each house, so that each student has experience with all different types of people, and develops different aspects of themselves more equally? instead of becoming caricatures and exaggerated versions of their personalities?
Totally! I know it's a different thing, but my high school had all of us from the performing arts streams do at least one term's worth of classes in each of the performance disciplines so we'd have an appreciation for all of them, not just our own.
The sorting hat seems to me to place students in specific houses to help them feel the most comfortable. Even though personalities can range widely within each house there are also common aspects shared by members within a group (just as there are diverse personalities within the board of a company, they share the concern for the company but might have different ways of approaching solutions). You have to remember that students spend a total of 21 out of 28 months living at hogwarts so the hat puts them where it thinks they will feel most comfortable and will have easy access to people who might have already experienced some of the same issues. People also seem to forget that the houses are not isolated from one another. From the very beginning each class is made up of students from two houses and later all houses are represented in the classes that are opted into like divination or advanced potions. Moving students around throughout the houses at random through the years I think would actually cause much more discomfort and stress especially for those people that do not or cannot deal with change very well. The houses create a sense of community and belonging, changing those houses could cause a sense of isolation or unease due to never feeling like they belong somewhere or never being able to settle down.
My ramble is over.
Most of our core identity is molded during childhood. Puberty is a confusing time because we try to find our place in this huge world.
People usually stick to “their” own whether it’s because of age sex interest class etc. The Sorting Hat divides human psychology into 4 which in itself a crime I mean there are many shades of grey
Saying that basically any of the 3 houses can be a Gryffindor if they have or learn or are forced to BE BRAVE
Slytherin are all the rich famous people with power (Harry’s Son is famous)
Ravenclaw are the smart people who are either stuck in the system or completely opposing being called conspiracy theorist (Luna and her dad)
Hufflepuff are the peacemakers, animal lovers marijuana huffing and puffing having munchies with the kitchen elves the hippies of our world
Ron (Hufflepuff but cause he’s poor and a large family he needs to learn to be brave)
Harry (Slytherin he rose to fame because of voldy but he decided on bravery rather than glory)
Hermione (ravenclaw but she’s a mud blood who in the books is not as pretty as Emma Watson)
Basically if you’re in a house other than Gryffindor u lack bravery... I’m a ravenclaw and one day I hope I can be a braver person cause I know myself I’m scaredy rat like scabbers... sometimes
@@jacksonmcnuggets7488 Luna is very brave, as is Cho. They are both Ravenclaw. Newt Scamander is Hufflepuff, and I dare you to say he isn't brave.
I absolutely love when you can see how someones mind is working like this. it feels almost like an audible art, where the artist is not actively trying to influence the audience but instead just finds and idea and expands on it again and again until absurdity. this is fun :D
I also have a lot of opinions on House sorting. Which generally boils down to that almost all quizzes are so very broad strokes and do tend to fall into caricatures of what the houses stand for that they are pointless and you're better off sorting yourself/asking a friend to sort you. I think I've taken a total of 1 House-sorting quiz which had a percentage based result where you could be 45% one thing and 38%, 23%, 40% in others.
I also think an EXCELLENT job interview question would be what house would you sort yourself in and why, and what house would other people sort you in. That kind of forced situation is probably one of the only instances I'd support a shallow reading since it's not about the actual house qualities, but what qualities the person thinks qualifies them for that house and that can tell you a lot about a person.
There's a little diagram in a notebook I have which lays out the houses in kind of oppositional cross shape in much the same way you figure out the various shared values of the pairings, and then labels two attributes that together typify the houses. I ended up with diligence, loyalty and intelligence, but I couldn't figure out a good one for Slytherin/Gryffindor that wasn't too much a synonym for diligence. (I currently have persistence and I think I used to have determination there.)
Unfortunately the two values does leave Slytherin/Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw/Gryffindor as 'true opposites'. Maybe I should go with three values like you did and try to figure out those shared attributes for the missing pairs.
I would say something like responsive/consequential for the G/R and H/S, but consequential does have a slight negative connotation, 'you will face the consequences' etc. Maybe immediate/legacy?
Also: I like playing the sorting characters into houses game on hard mode. Which is thinking about which house they would've identified with at the age of 11, not the house they identify with at the age they are in canon. (Extra hard is what house would've shaped them into the person they are currently.)
Aha! So you've basically gone through the same process as I have, that's so interesting! As far as my thinking goes I tend to view Gryffs/Claws and Puffs/Snakes as true opposites as well, often wondering at how Slytherin and Gryffindor ended up being such rivals when really it should be Ravenclaw that has the biggest problems with Lion methods.
It /would/ make a brilliant job interview question! I like both your non-hierarchical pairs, as well - dang, you're great at this!!
That hard-mode sounds incredible and I can feel myself getting distracted further by it already. What have you done.
Autofocus freaking out seems appropriate for TED videos.
I'm pretty sure there is no autofocus. Still quite appropriately it seems to have been (perhaps distractedly) manually set too close.
The slow descent into madness was amazing, and so intense. This is basically me when I try to explain anything that I really enjoy. Delving too far into something can be a lot of fun, but fairly-twitch inducing as well :P
Dael, have you ever thought of doing a TED stream? Like hopping onto twitch while you're in the middle of going through your process of figuring out such topics as this and letting us watch/perhaps supply input? I think it'd be interesting.
I think that's a good idea. Dangerous but good
Joe Miller I second and third that
Joe Miller I'm going to piggy back on your idea. why not a TED video with Q & A
Haha, maybe it would work... Or maybe you'd just see me hunched over a notebook for three hours scribbling incoherent notes and muttering to myself.
I've seen worse streams, I think you'd be fine.
This video
Was not long enough.
Those minutes are rookie numbers, Dael. xD Seriously, I LOVE this! I've often thought similar things about the quizzes, that they kinda work, but not on a truly deep level. I love this dissection, and study and deep examination of this kind of thing! It's Fascinating! But maybe that just means I'm crazy too. xD But I adore the depth, and both creative and very analytical way you've gone into this, with charts and everything!
You're an awesome human, Dael. I like you a lot.
Dael: obviously there's no way of really knowing what Hogwarts house you would be in -
Me: because it's a fictional system invented by a random British woman?
Dael: -because the hat is psychic
Me: ah yes, I was a fool. That makes so much more sense.
(based on that one hat song) I question the premise of a sorting system in which 3 founders say I value this one trait most, and the 4th says I'll treat everyone equally and take on anyone you lot don't want. It always seemed to me that student distribution would be very lopsided, specifically with Slytherin being very elitist and Hufflepuff being so open.
Anyway, enjoyed the video, and would be interested in seeing one over-analyzing D&D alignments.
The Quizzes are dumb. (anytime I open a quiz and see "what's your favorite colour", I click out of the quiz)
Which House you're in has nothing to do with your personality. It has to do with your values. (And note for later, none of the Houses’ values are better or worse than those of another)
Ron and Neville in their first year were both very lacking in courage and nerve, yet they were both in Gryffindor. And Hermione, who is incredibly intelligent and possesses many Ravenclaw-like traits, was put in Gryffindor, because she values Bravery and wanted to be more of a Gryffindor. The Hat sorts you by looking into your psyche and determining what kind of person you most want to be, and also which you are most likely to become. This is why children are sorted at 11 rather than an older age: because you haven't yet decided what kind of person you want to be.
Of course, some people have. Take Malfoy, for example. The Hat sorted him in seconds because he already knew without a doubt the kind of person he wanted to be.
Children are young. Too young to be incredibly intelligent, and too little to be incredibly brave, too inexperienced to be cunning and ambitious, and too impressionable to be unquestioningly inclusive. The Hat sorts you by seeing what kind of person you want to be, and then putting you in the environment that will best facilitate that.
And I guess you could say “how does a child know who they want to be”? Well, they don’t. But the Hat does. It can look into your very core values. And the environment you’re raised in can affect those values. That’s why most families all share the same House. And the Houses, by surrounding you with people who hold the same core values as you, help shape you into a person who is able to not only hold those values, but also to exemplify them.
That's interesting because I thought about it today. I was thinking to myself "it is kinda stupid because, you can be both brave and ambitious, both wise and loyal". And also, "why some things go together, some people in the books proved you can be both ambitious and not clever". But then I realize, it is not really about what you are, but what you value the most. If you had to chose between bravery and loyalty, for instance, what do you pick? Do that with all the values embodied by the Houses, and then, you'll know where you belong.
Another word for Ambition comes to my mind as a combination of Decisive and Focused.
"let me know what you've been distracted by this week"
Your videos 😂
This insight into your psyche is fascinating. You are a very interesting human being Dael.
You are actually going insane about hogwarts houses and I love it
This video got me thinking way too much on this topic.
My own pairings ended up being something like this (without saying anyone else's are wrong):
Gryffindors and Hufflepuffs will both do what is *right*, while Ravenclaws and Slytherins will do what is *effective*.
Gryffindors and Slytherines are *passionate*, while Ravenclaws and Hufflepuffs are *diligent*.
Gryffindors and Ravenclaws are oriented towards *ideas*, while Hufflepuffs and Slytherins are more *practical*.
Gryffindors' bravery manifests through their passionate support of moral ideals. They fight against what is wrong because it is wrong.
Ravenclaws' wisdom manifests through their diligent pursuit of correct ideas. They work hard to find clever solutions, but they can be a bit amoral.
Hufflepuffs' loyalty manifests through their practical, hard-working approach to do what is right. They help and support others as individuals, taking a practical view of morality in contrast to the Gryffindors' idealism.
Slytherins' ambition manifests through their practical expeidence in service to their passions. They figure out how to best get what they want and go after it.
I think you might be a mad scientist - in the best possible way.
I think the sorting hat is a really interesting and kind of messed up social experiment. There's no actual sorting that happens. The hat literally just puts you where ever you want to go. These kids are brought up learning about the ideals of each house and which witches and wizards came from these houses. I assume they spend their pre-Hogwarts years pretending and testing (through games) which house suits them best. So kids feel like they want to express certain characteristics because that's what house they think they belong in. Since they think they belong in that house and express those traits, they get sorted into that house. Since they get sorted into that house they develop those characteristics (because that's the kind of person the magic hat told them they were supposed to be). Younger witches and wizards see them as examples of that house, and the cycle begins anew. The separation of the houses is flawed to begin with. They are all described with things that people want to identify with, so much the same way with zodiacs of the MBTI, there is literally no wrong answer. A person could identify with every house and it is only through this forced tribalism that they choose a side. These kids are (seemingly arbitrarily) sorted into one of four houses and then told that they are the best house and they have to win against the other houses. These kids are one train track away from Jets vs Sharks.
Your idea is pretty cool too. As for better wording, for the Ravenclaw/Griffyndor and Hufflepuff/Slytherin dichotomy you might be looking at "Tactical" vs "Strategic."
I love the process behind this; since you've explained it, it's now so clear to me that the non-hierarchical dichotomy idea is so what's missing from a lot of these tests. You want to be able to call Ravenclaws "clever", Slytherins "ambitious" and Gryffindors "brave" without suggesting that Hufflepuffs are therefore stupid, lazy and craven.
However, in pursuing your goals I think you've managed to lose what actually makes the houses what they are. You can imagine a person who is internally validated, invests their energy on improving themselves, and who focuses on immediate concerns rather than distant ones, but is quintessentially un-Ravenclaw. If they're a bodybuilder, or a fashionista, or a spiritualist, then they very well may be missing the key ingredient of intellectualism that makes a Ravenclaw a Ravenclaw. Not to say that you can't be an intellectual bodybuilder etc., but you can be those things without the accompanying cerebral emphasis.
I find the most interesting focus on the edge cases. We see this best in the Gryffindors simply because the story is told from the perspective of a fellow Gryffindor. Why is Hermione, by all reports the smartest and most studious girl in their year, a Gryffindor rather than a Ravenclaw? When push comes to shove, she's willing to break the rules and throw herself unprepared into danger for a cause she believes in. Why is Neville, a fiercely loyal friend with a heart for the community, a Gryffindor rather than a Hufflepuff? Beneath his relatively placid exterior is a core of courage that leads him to defy his friends (albeit for their own good) in their first year and transforms him into a valiant leader by their seventh.
Just some food for further thought. I would really, really enjoy a follow-up to this as you develop your ideas further. I'd love to take the official Monarch's Factory Hogwarts House Quiz ;)
Ahh, see, maybe that's my own personal view shining through since I don't think a Ravenclaw at their core should have to be academically minded or intellectual necessarily. Which I very much understand others disagreeing with since it's front and centre of the information we have about the sorting process - I'm probably just too willing to get into a fight with a hat and any Hogwarts founder I disagree with (is my Gryffindor showing?). There's probably also an element of it which is influenced by the sheer number of times I've met someone who believes they're a Ravenclaw based purely on getting good grades, where from the outside they're so clearly something else.
All very good points, very well made, though, definitely food for thought! Thanks for sharing them.
I am actually just so incredibly interested in your ideas on this though?! Like, I've been bothered by the duality inherent to most sorting quizzes, and most of all about the "morality" placed upon them. I just really love your take on this, it's amazing and puts into words everything I've wanted but couldn't express myself!!
Also, baseball shirts are dope.
Thank you!! I'm glad to know others think similarly to me. On both counts, the sorting quizzes AND baseball tees.
Dael you are simply entertaining... because of the organized chaos you served today...
It's like you're speaking my thoughts. Spot on for all the houses, really appreciate the breakdown.
I'm glad I'm not the only person who gets worked up about stuff like this. I'm not into Harry Potter myself (I missed it when I was growing up because of christian parents) but I can relate to the amount of thought you put into it.
I think we just need to create and enchant an actual sorting hat to settle this officially... although I was told I was Ravenclaw but I still feel I'm Gryffindor... maybe I'm a hybrid
you did get an accent, glad it wasn't changed in editing. the hat is flawed but your eyes are flawless.
As for distractions, i've been stuck on a dungeons and dragons campaign setting that's turned into a book setting, but mostly it's been alot of setting, and not alot of book, ya know? Also, slytherins and ravenclaws are 'in the details' type of people while griffindor and hufflepuff are 'big picture' type of people? Would that wording work?
Slytherdor vs Ravenpuff as external vs internal validation is an interesting perspective but it sounds about right
Slytherclaw vs Gryffinpuff is about self improvement, or changing yourself vs changing the world, or the Buddhist monk seeking enlightenment vs the superhero trying to clean up Gotham city
gryfinclaw vs slytherpuff is more task orientated vs project orientated or put it another way the detailed view vs the 10,000 foot view, or yet another way tactical vs strategic thinking
So Hermione is very detail orientated, if anyone is going to spends years doing a technical deep dive into how a broomstick works at an quatum level it will be her, she clearly gets her validation from what teachers think of her, but she's outward looking enough to try and change the world for the better by putting her life on the line repeatedly to fight voldermort. Classic Gryffindor material.
Harry craves Dumbledores approval, wants to be a hero, and is far better in combat then planning how to find horocruxes.
Ron gets his validation from his friends and his family, wants to be the hero, and also couldn't plan his way out of a paper bag.
Seems to work.
Interesting thought: If one of them had been more Ravenclaw and looked at the big picture of what was happening and how they could win would they have gone on the offensive in book 5 and hunted down the death eaters before they had a chance to gather their forces, rather then spending 3 books defeating each of His moves as he made them
I really like Tactical/Strategic as a dichotomy there, and that is a hulluva nice breakdown of the golden trio, I loves it!
The dichotomy of H and G vs S and R stands out in my mind as versions of extroverted vs introverted, though that's not entirely right either. People orientated vs self-sufficient is maybe more what I'm thinking.
Yeah, that's pretty good! I know what you mean, I want to use introvert/extrovert as well, but I wouldn't mean that H/G are extroverted and R/S are Introverted exactly, it's more the idea of where they direct their energy? I guess?
Long time fan first time caller.
I've taken that one "quiz" that really just breaks down your life like that, its hardly a quiz, and it absolutely analyzes you to the depth of depths, and applying that mentality to Harry Potter, is kind of awesome, I could have listened to 10 more minutes of that.
I have been completely distracted by the channel AvE, if you want to listen to a Canadian swear and talk about tools, and he gets completely distracted himself, he's the guy to watch.
Thanks for calling!
Is that the quiz which is a proper in-depth psychology quiz and then just applies your answers to Hogwarts houses? I think that's the one my extended family handed around a laptop one Christmas and person after person after person was sorted into Hufflepuff - it was delightful.
Always learning stuff listening to Dael
This makes my heart warm.
My problem is I have qualities of all the houses except for Gryfindor so I just wish I could be legit sorted so I would want to tear out my metaphorical hair over over analyzing which one I’m in.
I was super distracted by the Temeraire series, but now I am probably going to spend few hours browsing and figuring out what the exact way the spectrum should be.
The most Dael video ever.
The quizzes that show you percentages rather than just one distinct answer are a LITTLE better but yeah I agree with you on that
I really enjoy the DnD and mythology stuff you do, but I understand that's just something to keep us occupied while you think about the really important stuff like this.
The TED videos are the royalty of this channel's content
The menace that is my cat, El Jojo, has been keeping me pretty distracted all this week
That is an incredible pet name.
Dumbledore himself said he didn't like the idea of sorting the kids too young and its non-changing state.
I tried the quiz on Pottermore, and it placed me in Slytherin. This does not seem exactly right, mostly because I really am not ambitious, though some other traits like cunning fit better. Also, most traits related to Ravenclaw work for me not only in that they fit my personality, but I also value them highly. So I suppose I should be in Ravenclaw. On the other hand, multiple Hufflepuff traits fit. At least I know I'm not Gryffindor, that's easy. I think I'm going to claim I'm Ravenclaw until someone points out a reason why I should be another one.
What all this means is that I agree on the quizzes not being a great way for sorting into houses.
The ending was funny. At least you know more about Attack on Titan than I do. I've only heard a violin cover of the theme song. It's a really nice cover at least.
I think that's fair enough - I claimed Ravenclaw until my sister pointed out why I was a Gryffindor and it was suddenly so obvious that I'd been a Gryffindor all along. If no one's given you an 'aha!' moment for switching houses then you'll never be able to fully accept it anyway; best to just stick with what you reckon.
That's basically what I was thinking. Though now I am interested in what your sister pointed out that made you realise that you are a Gryffindor.
Oh my Lord I loved you! Are you a Ravenclaw for any chance? That chaotic scientist energy got me mesmerized
This is why i love you as a content maker so ya Good job
This level of passion and involvement in your geeky interests is the most attractive trait a human can ever have, imo.
It always grates on me when people blindly trust Pottermore sorting because it was created by JKR and therefore "official", even though the questions themselves hardly reflect one's personality. Seriously, how does choosing between white and black, heads and tails, dusk and dawn etc. etc. define a person? Lmao
Sidenote, the theory your teacher devised sounds really interesting, is there any way to look into it online?
No, there is no "nicer way to say" that Janys is insane, it's one of the fundamental facts that the universe is built upon.
Also; this video made me feel better about being in Slytherin.
I know this video is old but I had to comment. You're lecturing us like a college professor who's been asked what her Ph.D. thesis was. Love the video and I agree 100%
I've taken the quiz multiple times, and I nearly always am Ravenclaw, although I have been Gryffindor twice and Hufflepuff and Slytherin once. Everyone is a spectrum, not just one thing. There is usually a part of you that sticks out a bit more though. With the Ilvermorny quiz I am usually Thunderbird. I often take this to mean that I am very adventurous, but love knowledge more than adventure. A lot of these quizzes including the Pottermore one are based on the Myers-Briggs Test, which is an actual Psychological test. When I take that I am nearly always INTP, which would put me in Ravenclaw. I love adventure though and am not afraid of much, which would put me into Gryffindor. I am also very ambitious which would put me into Slytherin. I don't know where the Hufflepuff bit comes from, although I do like to study plants and love my family.
Something I think is in common with Griffendor and Hufflepuff is found family. Both houses are described as being loyal to those close to them, so I feel like that has something to do with it.
A subject I love, interesting premise, out of focus camera and an incredibly cute host slowly going insane. Subscribed. 😉
I like the way think. This video is great, I hope you get that quiz finished, I would be really interested in taking it.
This was a really good analysis!!💖
but isn't the house you land in more based on which of these core qualities you admire?
This is so awesome, you put so much though into this and it’s a super amazing way to sort people, wonderful job! 😉👍
Not sure if you've Sorted this out for yourself yet, but I the biggest problem is not eh descriptions of the houses but the fact that they are not based on personality. Herminie was not more Brave than Smart, or Nevel or Peter more brave than anything, The sorting hat does not analyze your personality it determines what you value. That's why it says it was not wrong with Peter, he was never brave, but he wished he could have been and thought being around power would make him brave.
Hogwarts as a school would be dedicated to helping people develop into the witches and wizards they want to be. The Hat thought Harry wanted to be strong, so he told him Slytherin would make him Great and Powerful, but he rejected it. He basically tells that hat he doesn't want to be strong as in fighting, but strong in the face of adversity, Courageous.
The Hat puts you in a house that has the traits you value because the Founders Believed that being around people with the traits you admire is a good way to acquire those traits. People change people.
However being around people you think and act like you, is very toxic to development.
Gryffindor is for the people the feeling and needs to stand up and be strong, people who feel like they have something to do or prove. People that feel attacked or outcasted and have had to defend themselves would fit in well in this house.
Slytherin is for ambition, people who want to do and achieve things. This is less standing up and proving yourself ageinst odd, and more or living up to and exceeding expectations. They're both competitive and goal oriented. But Slytherin is trying to accomplish thing, Gryffindor is overcoming the thing. The difference between I've Killed hundreds of dragons because i'm the best hunter and I've servived or saved people from hundreds of dragons
Ravenclaw is for wit and knowledge, they strive for knowledge and understanding. Luna despite seeming so crazy is really just trying to understand the world around her, unexplained events need explanations because she wants to know and understand things.
Hufflepuff really is for just being kind and loyal, people who want to be nice and well liked
I was five seconds into this video, never seen you before on youtube, a just went "yesss this is my human" and subscribed
the word you are searching for to describe the link between slytherin and hufflepuff is conscientiousness.
Instead of short term vs long term. it is, rather:
One sees the trees and one sees the forest.
'Big blurry thing with all the colours merging into one another'...like the autofocus? ;-) Love the video.
Your background makes me so relaxed I love it!
Ahh, that's really nice to hear!
I’ve been distracted by YOU, lately all I’ve been doing is watching your videos back to back repeatedly. Honestly I might just get your accent haha
I love it! Also, I yelled 'the long con' for long term goals 😆
Hi Dael, I'm new to your channel and am loving your videos!! I would love to see the finale to this epic quest of yours, as I have tried many different sorting quizzes and have gotten all the different houses.
Finally someone who gets it.
Oh my gods i wish i could properly express how much i love this, i'm a bit of a psychology fan and your profiling just makes so. much. sense. External vs internal validation, external vs internal development, and if i understood you correctly a sort of order vs chaos (but without the heavy connotation of those words, something like "pick your battles" vs "go all out"? my brain wants to pick another "external vs internal" wordset but i'm having trouble thinking of one, if it even exists) With which i continue to think i'm a Ravenclaw. Dael for Headmistress!
I would also argue that any sorting system of this type is flawed because it is a self-fulfilling prophecy; by grouping people together under perceived qualities, individuals that do not necessarily meet those qualities will subconsciously strive to develop them in an attempt to belong, which is a basic human need, especially significant given the age when the process occurs. So really the Sorting Hat doesn't have to do much beyond scoping the most obvious features of a person, and peer pressure will handle the rest.
Those walk-in-walk-outs at 2:50 looked brilliant, by the way.
Allathis makes me happy! All of this up in here!
I think I'm in love with your brain.
I honestly just wish this was longer...
I've been TED by automation and it's consequences. Through the design and implementation of intelligent software, I've given myself the freedom to explore various other possibilities at work previously outside of my reach because there just aren't enough hours in the day. So I've been trying to propose similar computer systems to be deployed in other offices, thinking they would be excited about achieving a similar level of efficiency.
Turns out, people are quite resistant to the idea of "being replaced" with a computer. So I've just been mauling over and over again, putting myself into the shoes of individuals who might feel threatened by the idea of a computer being intelligently designed to, well. Do their job. Perhaps only parts of some of their responsibilities or from start to finish. It's been interesting, but also personally discouraging, as I had lots of high hopes for what this could eventually lead to in the future.
I watch your videos at x2. It is an experience and I like it. Great video!
I've seen a theory that the hat sorts you based on what you value more. Bravery and strength for Gryffindor, intellect and wit for Ravenclaw, loyalty and truth for Hufflepuff and ambition (not a bad thing) and will for Slytherin. There are other things to factor into it of course, such as representation of passions and bias and so on. But in the end it doesn't matter if the hat lets you choose, even if you are a silly child, because it's just a school house, it doesn't bear upon your future in any real way. The only reason we as a society choose to value it so highly is because we love the universe so much and we want it to be correct. And I think that it is likely that the pottermore probably will sort you into the house you'd most likely be in, as Rowling will have made it focus on things she would use as markers the hat would use in it's choice. You know?
Ohhh! I LOVE that idea of it being what you value rather than what you are! That totally makes sense!
"Books and cleverness, but there are more important things. Friendship and bravery." Hermione when fetching the philosophers stone. And that's just off the top of my... HAT! ;D
But yes that's her saying she values bravery over her intelligence which might be why she got put in Gryffindor rather than Ravenclaw.
I totally see what you are saying, even though the words are difficult indeed
You are an absolute delight! I totally understand. In my school counselor classes, we studied a lot of personality and aptitude tests like Myers Briggs. Makes sense to me. I'm an ENFP.
Hey, one letter off from my ENTP (and my closest call is between Thinking and Feeling if I recall correctly).
MonarchsFactory Very cool. I would put you in the thinking category just based on your TED videos. You like to organize information and make sense of it. Thanks for the reply! Made my day!
I've been distracted by the different ways I could improve the networking in my house. I've drawn a few diagrams and spent some time (A LOT OF TIME) looking at chipset models and backplane throughput and possibly (definitely) going way too far down that rabbit hole.
I have been distracted by the uses, beliefs, colors, and just everything related auras. I have been researching everything and trying to prepare myself for a D&D campaign where I plan to play an Elf named Cassandra Everclear who is a White Witch (but my party just knows me as a healer) who can manipulate her own aura.
Whenever I create a character, I always try create something the is Offensive and Defensive. Defensive is mainly the healing and buffing of my fellow heroes but offensive is the aura manipulation. Like I said, still doing research but I am excited
Hi dael I can not tell you enough how much I love your videos I've seen all of your videos at lest twice
Wow, thanks so much, you're too kind!
My twitter handle is @ewong247, so it should come as no surprise I've been distracted by the cancellation of SourceFed. I won't elaborate further. Oh, and btw, I took the Pottermore quiz, and I am a Hufflepuff. I am not really extroverted, but because of this, I value the friends I'm able to have. Do with that what you may.
Crazy Dael is my favorite Dael. Although I'm pretty sure the point of this was to say there is no test that can definitively say you are [insert house here], if you WERE to come up with a test based on all this theorising and found a method of doing it that you felt more comfortable with, please please share it with us. I've taken multiple tests all saying different things, it'd be nice to do one that came from an entirely different perspective and method.
Aye, aye! If I ever manage to put something cohesive together I'll make sure to let you all know. :)
I think what you're looking for around the 7:45 Mark is Gryffinclaws tend to be pragmatists while Slytherpuffs are more ideological although I could see the argument that it could be more appropriate to list Slytherclaws as the pragmatists and Gryffinpuffs as ideological but I'm just offering words hoping to trigger something helpful
You cant leave us without the MBTI connection!!
This, literally this, all of it, yes
It looked like Dael was pulling a Nightcrawler between 2:51 and 2:59, the way she'd pop out of view and then reappear from a different direction.
Haha! You're so right!
Agreed, I love your mind as well -
I like the idea though I'm not sure I would have picked the same dichotomies. Yes I know I'm 4 years late lol.
For the first one I kinda see what you mean but I wouldn't have worded that way : I get the ouside vs inside dichotomy but I would not have linked it to validation. I don't really know how to word it, but I think Slytherdors are more likely to do things that will put them in the light (helping or saving people, having big responsibilities), but Ravenpuffs are more likely to do things that will not put them in the light (increasing their own knowledge for the sake of knowledge, working hard to improve themselves, supporting other people and being loyal...). I'm not saying that Slythendors seek the light and Ravenpuffs don't, but that the actions the lead to that.
For Slytherclaw and Griffinpuff, I would put a reason versus feeling dichotomy. Mostly because for me, Slytherins and Ravenclaws are the two Houses where intelligence is mention, just not the same type of intelligence (Ravenclaws are wise and Slytherins are clever). Anyway, in both cases, the thinking is involved. On the other hand, Griffinpuff are about helping and being nice, which is more linked to impulsivity (in the sense, driven by your pulsions) and so to feelings.
Griffinclaw and Slytherpuff are the tough one, because even if I don't see them as opposite, I don't think they have that much in common. For Griffinclaw, I would say "do thing without looking for a reward" (knowledge for the sake of knowledge, fighting when it is moral to do so), but then that left Slytherpuff with "do things for a reward", which would be success for Slytherins and... I don't know, self-improvement for Hufflepuff (they are supposed to be hard worker)? But I don't think it is very satisfying.
no attempt at a witty comment this week, I'm just gonna sit here grinning like a madman at frankly, just how adorable you are when you're crazy.
Never change
In general, I hate personality tests (and astrology, but that's not the point). MBTI? Fuck that shit. Some personality tests are useful tools for self-awareness and can be resources in how to work/communicate with people whose personalities are quite different from yours. But A LOT OF THE TIME, I find that people don't use it for either, and instead use it for navel-gazing and to excuse behavior.
The thing about Harry Potter Sorting that I hate... is the two-houses bullshit people pull. "I'm totally a Ravenclaw, but with a little bit of Slytherin." YOU CANNOT BE IN TWO HOUSES AT ONCE, STAHP. I think the houses are a good idea, especially for kids who a) don't have any siblings at Hogwarts yet, or b) are Muggle-born and don't know anybody going in. It can provide these kids with a community, and historically, might even be the first place that they could make friends (because the Hogwarts Express can't have been around forever). No one system is going to be perfect, not even in the Wizarding world, but I think the house system is what works best for Hogwarts.
But maybe the house system is a bit of a relic, in the same way that the American Dream has become a bit of a cultural relic. The concept hasn't changed with the times, even though things are clearly Not What They Used to Be.
so basically your saying 2 houses are set on the here and now, as the others are set on a in time/ progression based process. I really want to hear more on this now it's very interesting, and I love things that have a lot of thought set in them.
Oh my gosh, going into this much analysis, calculating systems and inserting new wording to ideas to prove a point! You must be a Ravenclaw! 😂 that’s a good thing though!
I'd also say that Slytherin is traditionalist, Gryffindor is based on heroism, and HufflePuff seems to be agreeable types.
To be fair, it might not be that the hat's "considering family history" but rather just happens to sort family members into the same house. They're finding a lot about us is genetic so it's not beyond the realm of possibility.
The other reason there's no actually accurate way to tell what Hogwart's house you'd be in, is that none of it really exists. Maybe that's what we need to recognize a little bit more as a society.
Insane - how about eccentric?
As for my TED, it's Nightlands again, where I have been giving a lot of thought to Veríotornassë ("Bold Brotherhood" - basically Avvar barbarian expies) history and porting over the backstory of Andraste from Firestar-verse (which is a Dragon Age/Silmarillion crossover), and also of magical mecha dragons, which was inspired by me going to see the new Power Rangers movie.
For the comparisons with slytherin and hufflepuff and gryffindor and ravenclaw i think you mean slytherins and hufflepuffs are more intuitive and and gryffindor and ravenclaws are more likely to be xSxx (referring to myersbriggs) (that would aldo mean slytherins and hufflepuffs are xNxx) but those arent really neutral terms. I like your thought process and i really liked this video:)
I've been trying to remake Monopoly so that it doesn't take as long to play, has a dynamic level of strategy, and gives bankrupt players something to do instead of just dropping them out of the game. Halfway through the project, I found out "Mega Edition" is a thing, so that's shaken up all my ideas
Your level of insanity is the reason that you are my favorite person on CZcams.
I would say the Slitherpuff is about connections and community. Slitherin is more strategic about it, being charismatic and nice to make people like them, so it’s more likely they will get something in return. Hufflepuff generally does it just to be nice or to be liked, or just to make the other person feel better, and it wouldn’t hurt if the act was returned.
Griffenclaw... honestly idk. You said that it had to do with self improvement/current task rather than community improvement and investment? Hm... I guess I would say that they definitely live in the moment, but perhaps in different ways. Like, Griffendores seize more opportunities and try more challenging things for the experience or for the reputation. Ravenclaws sort of live in their own heads, and do what they want from moment to moment, working possibly on, like you said, self improvement.
This fits for my slytherin-ness