CvS2 is Broken

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  • čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
  • Everyone says they love and play CvS2, but do you really know ball?
    Here is why CvS2 is Broken, and why you should definitely play it.
    Inspired by "Super Turbo is Broken" and "Third Strike is Broken" by ‪@GuileWinQuote‬
    Resources
    CvS2 Discord
    tinyurl.com/cvs2discord
    SilentScope88 Kimfinite Guide
    • Capcom vs. SNK 2 Kim i...
    SilentScope88 Combo Trials
    • Groove Trials for Capc...
    SilentScope88 Mechanic Primer
    • Intro and Guard Cancel...
    jay_ts S-Groove Guide
    • [CvS2] S-Groove Guide ...
    jay_ts JP Footage Doc
    docs.google.co...
    jay_ts Misc. Resources
    docs.google.co...
    btw sagat is awesome. just needed to get that off my chest

Komentáře • 537

  • @Dronkhrrrrng
    @Dronkhrrrrng Před měsícem +482

    THE PEOPLE DEMAND PC CVS2

    • @MaycolGamer026
      @MaycolGamer026 Před měsícem +49

      Do you mean CvS Arcade Collection...

    • @felixpao84
      @felixpao84 Před měsícem +10

      ​@@MaycolGamer026Obviously

    • @Mingodough
      @Mingodough Před měsícem +14

      I mean if you’re on pc, you can you know. Pretty easily. But I get what you mean

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +48

      IT BETTER NOT BE EO CAPCOM DO NOT FUCK IT UP

    • @azrael_III
      @azrael_III Před měsícem +14

      you mean fightcad ?

  • @GuileWinQuote
    @GuileWinQuote Před měsícem +403

    After seeing this, CvS2 should be 4/7 all the way through.
    (Good stuff bro!)

    • @GGPO_Halfro
      @GGPO_Halfro Před měsícem +24

      lmao my man volunteered us for 2 year long 8 man brackets lmao

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +51

      i'd play ft50s in this game all day but i'd probably have people calling me and saying i'm missing when they realize i've been gone for 48 hours playing cvs2

    • @THENAMEISQUICKMAN
      @THENAMEISQUICKMAN Před měsícem +33

      "BAS was later found dead at the stick aged 92. He had been playing in the EVO 2025 Community Showcase Capcom vs SNK 2 tournament for fifty years."

    • @GGPO_Halfro
      @GGPO_Halfro Před měsícem +1

      @@THENAMEISQUICKMAN LMAO

    • @epicbasedman
      @epicbasedman Před měsícem

      HOLY SHIT GUILDWINQUOTE FROM CZcams CHANNEL WWW.CZcams.COM/GUILEWINQUOTE

  • @PedroAndrade25
    @PedroAndrade25 Před měsícem +83

    That might be the most comprehensive CvS2 video I've ever watched. And I don't usually watch half-hour long videos.

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +17

      yea nobody's commented on the 30min runtime which is longer than any other "X is broken" vid to my knowledge. That's good tho, it means the video was consistently engaging and there were very few dull moments.

    • @PedroAndrade25
      @PedroAndrade25 Před měsícem +2

      @@jay_cvs2 Absolutely. Plenty of good technical info mixed with high quality shitposting. Well done.

    • @will__mem9rno
      @will__mem9rno Před měsícem +2

      the fact I only see gameplay and rarely see the tech explained of this game made it really interesting all the way through, was both engaging and a learning experience to someone who doesn’t know much about this game xd

    • @El_Chuchuca
      @El_Chuchuca Před měsícem +1

      ​​@@jay_cvs2Finished washing the dishes that I've been accumulating since Friday. My favorite fighting game of all time. CvS3 must happen.

    • @dragocrafterr8286
      @dragocrafterr8286 Před 26 dny

      @@jay_cvs2yessirrr

  • @MisterTwit
    @MisterTwit Před měsícem +210

    CvS2 is why people expect Sagat to be top tier in every game, and why people hate it whenever Blanka is top tier in any game

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +58

      footsies sagat is almost mesmerizing in its execution. every time someone complains about new games not having honest footsies anymore i can't help but think they envision something like cvs2 C-sagat putting in work. by the way i hate blanka fuck blanka

    • @Zwyrx_Hgqfyggz
      @Zwyrx_Hgqfyggz Před měsícem +2

      * cough cough * SF6

    • @pimpedoutgeese4584
      @pimpedoutgeese4584 Před měsícem +1

      Facts lol!

    • @anthonysimons4245
      @anthonysimons4245 Před měsícem +8

      I’m glad I’m not alone in my Blanka hate

    •  Před měsícem +17

      Street fighter 2 is why people expect sagat to be top tier. Most street fighter fans don’t even know CVS2 exists, never mind casuals.

  • @Meme_Knight
    @Meme_Knight Před měsícem +111

    It's fascinating just how much older fighing games are broken but we never cared that much about it simply because of just how much fun these games are.
    Great video from start to finish, well done!

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +40

      thanks, I think old games have just as much if not more merit than new games. If you learn to just remove yourself from complaining that something is broken to learning how to counter it, you will improve as a player significantly especially in your ability to adapt to your environments.

    • @bartdude82
      @bartdude82 Před měsícem +3

      @@jay_cvs2agreed 100%. This is a mentality that is unfortunately lost in this newer generation

    • @EpsilonKnight2
      @EpsilonKnight2 Před měsícem +5

      A lot of older fighting games were broken because they weren't specifically designed to eliminate all possible jank like newer ones and thus were much more free form. They're deathly afraid of spending millions on a fresh new fighting game and 1 singular broken mechanic completely pushing away every single player. Just look at MvCI and how it was treated even though it was generally a good game and had functional online.

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +5

      Pretty much. Old games were made to prioritize looking good and playing good, obviously they had QA testing to eliminate some glitches and bugs but if one showed up, it wasn't the end of the world.

  • @mghost
    @mghost Před měsícem +33

    I am a Nako Main, You forgot you can cheese out the timer. If you are about to lose by a small amount of HP due to the timer. If the Heal goes off before timer you will continue to heal after the timer reaches 0, it will play out the whole animation.

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +9

      it is a neat quirk, i just didn't include it because it slipped my mind. you won't get to use it much, since time outs are quite uncommon in cvs2 but its something

    • @mghost
      @mghost Před měsícem +4

      @@jay_cvs2 it happens a few times in my games pretty fun to do none the less.

    • @LIONTAMER3D
      @LIONTAMER3D Před 18 dny +2

      She can also roll cancel it for an invincible heal that last for what, 27 frames? Not the heal, the invincibility; you can start it 27 frames before the clock runs out & she's untouchable while gaining health.

  • @randomtrainerx.3424
    @randomtrainerx.3424 Před měsícem +54

    Just like the announcer said that he knows we'll be back, many will come back to rewatch this.

  • @onkarlally
    @onkarlally Před měsícem +20

    It’s sad that we don’t give combos names like “paint the fence” and “shou shou” anymore. Fantastic vid btw

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před 17 dny +1

      Yeah it is kinda odd. You'd think with how much combos have evolved these days it would become more of a widespread thing. Maybe I'm just living under a rock.

    • @onkarlally
      @onkarlally Před 15 dny

      @@jay_cvs2 I know that nowadays, if the actual move name is too unwieldy people will use a nickname. Like Linne’s fireball in UNI is called kuuga cuz she says kuuga everytime she throws it, a lot of DBFZ moves ended up with names from other games because the in game names are very unwieldy. I’ll try and think of more but those are the main ones that stand out to me.

  • @TheSeventhForce
    @TheSeventhForce Před měsícem +43

    I love how the Todo CC is just self-explanatory. Fantastic work!

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +6

      i guess if i had to include an explanation, if you tiger knee his air wave post activate, you can get it before the opponent can poke out. it's only practical in the corner but it's still dangerous

    • @radiantansel202
      @radiantansel202 Před měsícem +2

      ​@@jay_cvs2The character with O N E move able to do this is extremely funny to me

  • @JorgeCastro92
    @JorgeCastro92 Před měsícem +99

    4:43 that reference, that damn reference 😂

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +32

      at this point if someone doesn't get it then they ain't a fighting game fan

    • @JorgeCastro92
      @JorgeCastro92 Před měsícem +5

      @@jay_cvs2 you are right 🤣

    • @MaruMaruMaruMaruMaruMaru
      @MaruMaruMaruMaruMaruMaru Před měsícem

      I don't get it

    • @Teto98
      @Teto98 Před měsícem +6

      ​@@MaruMaruMaruMaruMaruMaruevo moment 37, Daigo VS Justin

    • @SH2K9
      @SH2K9 Před měsícem +4

      @@Teto98 LMAO Oh, snap, I wasn't even paying attention!! I was too immersed in learning! Well played

  • @DouglasStewart99
    @DouglasStewart99 Před 12 dny +7

    0:26-0:49
    The intro to this is just 10/10!!
    Also *GUESS WHAT JUST GOT CONFIRMED FOR A RE-RELEASE TODAY?!*

  • @Kakeen
    @Kakeen Před měsícem +10

    This is still my favorite fighters to this day. Still got my ps2 launch copy. This is one of those games you just never trade in or sell. DC copy of MVC2 as well.
    People always ask what is the best fighting game of all time. It just depends on you really. Some say 3S, others say CvS2, while others will say MVC2. Mine will always be CvS2, MVC2 being my second. But those 2 are are completely different games as far mechanics go. I'm just glad we so many great fighters to choose from.

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +2

      To me CvS2 is the GOAT fighting game as well, but that is a highly subjective title. Having the PS2 launch copy is really cool, all I can lay claim to is having a launch title of mario kart wii in 2008

  • @jiazji
    @jiazji Před měsícem +16

    This video's super helpful since i was just about to go into cvs2 kinda blind without knowing how the mechanics and grooves truly worked lolll

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +8

      i felt like releasing all the obscure knowledge i have of this game to the public. they deserve to know about the nuance of this game just as much as i do

    • @will__mem9rno
      @will__mem9rno Před měsícem

      YES DO IT, I love vids about tech from older fighting games!!
      (shoutout to Dustloop and other wikis but my zoomer brain loves deep-dive videos)

    • @Noahs_Chair
      @Noahs_Chair Před měsícem +1

      Grooves are actually super simple if you understand the reference.
      They take how meter works in different games from SF and KoF/SamShow
      Like how K- Groove is how SamShow meter works.
      If I remember correctly the list is
      C - Alpha A-ism
      A - Alpha V-ism
      P - SF3
      S - King of Fighters 94
      N - King of fighters 98
      K - Samurai Showdown
      No, nobody understands why they decided to make K the one that doesn't come from a King of Fighters game or why the one that takes from A-ism isn't A.

  • @Ryusuta
    @Ryusuta Před měsícem +16

    My only nitpick on the video is that the text is flashed way too fast in places. I basically have to hover over the pause button to read it all.

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +7

      future videos in this format should fix this... along with the audio being too quiet. i'm not a good video editor

    • @Ryusuta
      @Ryusuta Před měsícem +6

      @@jay_cvs2 I think you did just fine. Thanks for the video. =)

    • @Damaylor
      @Damaylor Před 25 dny

      Watching the video at 0.75 speed helped a lot

  • @HarvestDude
    @HarvestDude Před 19 dny +5

    This is the best fighting game explanation video i have ever watched. It was so hard to watch the demonstrations and reading the text at the same time, because i didn't want to miss anything! Easy to understand, clearly explained, truly a work of love. Not to mention the SO NEEDED camaraderie from a fighting game lover to the viewers, both beginners and veterans alike. Fighting game players should ALWAYS be like that. Thank for this amazing video! You got a subscriber, my friend!

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před 17 dny +1

      thanks for the kind words. at the end of the day this video was just made to spread the gospel of cvs2, and show off some good content. i do think that i have a obligation to make the viewer feel a little more included and not feel gate kept from cvs2 especially on a knowledge dump video like this.

  • @jay_cvs2
    @jay_cvs2  Před 8 dny +8

    Update: Now with the collection coming out you better get out your old math notebook and take some notes cuz you might see most of this tech being used so don't get washed up online when the time comes.

  • @tase7602
    @tase7602 Před měsícem +12

    i played quite a bit of cvs2 and i didn't even know about some of these interactions, great video jay
    btw the combo orochi Iori gets at 22:25 is a reference to kof95 Iori when that was his stable

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +3

      Yeah I went all out and gave out some very obscure knowledge so now everyone can know it. I do know about the 95 O.Iori combo properties, but I probably should have mentioned it outright.

  • @KenMasters.
    @KenMasters. Před měsícem +18

    The only true erk that everybody has against CvS 1 & 2 are the recycled and out-of-place character sprites on the Capcom side.

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +10

      i could do with a little less alpha sprites, and of course morrigan. but hey we did get really nice SNK character sprite sets so i can't be too mad.

    • @yurifairy2969
      @yurifairy2969 Před 9 dny +1

      Capcom really couldn't have SNK draw em some sprites?

    • @mariodoccia6129
      @mariodoccia6129 Před 7 dny +2

      @@yurifairy2969 SNK only gave them the license to use their characters. The development itself wasn't a collaborative effort by design.

  • @cetospalis4784
    @cetospalis4784 Před měsícem +37

    shoutout to RDCWorld at 10:08 lmaoooooooo

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +6

      Finally......... someone really knows ball

    • @slipsquid3797
      @slipsquid3797 Před dnem

      when i first heard it i was shocked lol

  • @silverwah
    @silverwah Před měsícem +15

    Great video. I hope this one goes mainstream.

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +5

      as long as it ain't too mainstream you feel me? but thanks glad u liked it

  • @hegyak
    @hegyak Před měsícem +3

    I was SO waiting for this. Ever Since People started doing things like "MvC2 is Broken" "Smash Bros Is Broken."
    I love CvS2. Not good at it. But I love it.

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +2

      I felt like i knew enough about the game to make one and nobody else was gonna do it. I feel like cvs2 is shrouded in mystery to a lot of people in regards to the quirks it has, so i felt like sharing them in a condensed format for everyone.

  • @michaelbullen3104
    @michaelbullen3104 Před 12 dny +6

    LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE WON!!!!!!!!!

  • @J3tAlone
    @J3tAlone Před měsícem +3

    Fantastic vid. I love this game and I'm glad see it get some love. Your comedic timing is amazing and your execution is disgusting, I had to stop a few times and seriously consider whether or not you were using tools.
    The "fighting game is broken" videos are obviously popular and hit the algorithm, but I'm really glad to have found a channel that makes high quality cvs2 content. Subbed.

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +1

      none of this was TAS, i don't even know how to work that shit. if i could i would make some neat combo videos. you'll see more cvs2 content from me in the future :)

    • @J3tAlone
      @J3tAlone Před měsícem +1

      ​@@jay_cvs2 Nah brah you'd be just fine without the TAS lmao. I knew you were legit, I just kinda had an existential crisis watching someone nail stuff that takes 5 more inputs and tighter links to make cvs2 not look like "footsies the game"
      I think my favorite random completely useless training mode cvs2 bs I've labbed is for G.Rugal's L2 kick super, if you can hit the demon input between the 3rd and 4th hit, you can get a meaty demon since you'll come out of hitstun while the grab is still active. It also looks really funny because the damage animation still plays and Rugal kinda just floats there waiting to hit the demon grab
      Looking forward to it my man :)

  • @carloszagal1934
    @carloszagal1934 Před 29 dny +2

    Back in 2001? I remember getting a ps2 for xmas, and with it I got this gem of a game. My world completely changed and I became a rabid fan of all fighting games. I hope we get a collection of these games!

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před 17 dny

      awesome. i found this game just by watching videos on youtube and taking a liking to it so i got nullDC and played it, fell in love instantly.

  • @MrBertieDastard
    @MrBertieDastard Před měsícem +9

    My roflcopter goes
    14:51

  • @malikarsyasakani
    @malikarsyasakani Před měsícem +27

    I really wished you continued on your CvS2 Reimagining series again. I wanna see Iori in your style.

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +14

      Unfortunately I don't really do that anymore. Mainly because I've moved onto developing a commercial IKEMEN fullgame.

  • @DRFTER34
    @DRFTER34 Před měsícem +4

    I really enjoyed watching thanks for putting in the time explaining all of the ins and outs of the game. This could've easily been a 3 part video series for sure I would love to see a video explaining CvS2 EO as well maybe titled "CvS2EO is Not Broken" but anyways just a thought.

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +3

      A video that details the differences between EO and normal in depth is actually a pretty good idea, I'll consider doing that. Maybe not in the same format as this one but I'm sure many people want to know why we don't necessarily play or even respect EO as much.

  • @USALeonHeart
    @USALeonHeart Před měsícem +6

    You popped me with the RDCWorld Doc Rivers “You . . . are trash.”

  • @theuzi8516
    @theuzi8516 Před měsícem +1

    I was 5 when I saw my uncles playing CvS2 and it got me into FGs. I still remember all the SFX, all the themes, all the special intros, and Hibiki has a dear place in my heart for being my first ever main. What a legendary game.

  • @Baiano29
    @Baiano29 Před měsícem +5

    You know you f up when Blanka is somehow top tier.

  • @PneumoniaFGC
    @PneumoniaFGC Před 18 dny +2

    Such a well made video!!! I love playing this game, shame the lobbies on Fightcade are always empty...

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před 16 dny +1

      I'm just waiting for a rerelease at this point. Fightcade is cool and all but it's not my favorite way to play.

    • @PneumoniaFGC
      @PneumoniaFGC Před 16 dny

      @@jay_cvs2 really? Why not? I love Fightcade

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před 16 dny +1

      for games like alpha 2, kof 98 or really any fbneo game it's great but flycast just isn't something i like using in particular and that's the emulator fightcade uses.

  • @jamiekuchma
    @jamiekuchma Před měsícem +5

    When I worked at the tilt as an arcade mechanic..... I used to play this shit all day, it's funny you mention Chang because one of the best players I ever seen used s groove with Terry, Chang and fucking rolento, it was magic to watch to say the least, I play vice hibiki, and Chun-Li

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +1

      S-Terry Chang Rolento... That's an odd team. Do you remember the player's name? I know a lot about old and new top players alike and the only top player I can see using a team like that is 178 from Japan. Cool story ✌️

    • @jamiekuchma
      @jamiekuchma Před měsícem

      I don't remember man it was so long ago, he could have just been some after work warrior lmao

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +2

      the after work warrior... the most dangerous fighting game player out there

    • @mikeg2491
      @mikeg2491 Před měsícem +1

      Did you have privileges to set the machines to free play after hours?

    • @jamiekuchma
      @jamiekuchma Před měsícem

      @@mikeg2491 I had the keys

  • @Sorrelhas
    @Sorrelhas Před měsícem +3

    You're pretty much the only person I've seen online who has something nice to say about roll canceling
    Every other oldhead I've met wants it gone lmao
    Great video

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +3

      I'm no old head myself, I'm only 19. I don't think RCs ruin the game, if anything they can enhance it if you just lab against it (i.e. neutral jumping to beat sakura RC tatsu). Do I think they're broken? Yes, but at the end of the day, I also don't care, every game has that one thing that's hella broken.

    • @TizOnly1
      @TizOnly1 Před měsícem +1

      Idk the old heads you're talking to, but plenty of us played this game at a really high level for a decade or more. RCs and all. They add a lot to the game, and if Capcom does ever get to a CvS2 re-release there will be a revolt if they try to take RCs out.

  • @mightywaranvil2912
    @mightywaranvil2912 Před měsícem +25

    4:43 Opening the P-Groove section up THAT way, I see? Very clever.

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +19

      it took me like 30 minutes to record me parrying that super. i'm sure it was well worth it

    • @someoneusedtobeknown2645
      @someoneusedtobeknown2645 Před měsícem +4

      The only thing that would have made it better would be editing the people clapping.

  • @Darushiokan
    @Darushiokan Před měsícem +2

    Great ressource, thanks for putting the time in making this.

  • @mikedf2169
    @mikedf2169 Před měsícem +14

    Bruh, Kyosuke ain't been in no other game but this one and they hoed him bad. 😢

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +10

      As the only Rival Schools rep, they could have done better.

    • @mikedf2169
      @mikedf2169 Před měsícem +7

      @@jay_cvs2 At least the Japanese can eat with him. They cook with every character regardless of mechanics and tier.

    • @illgeteverythingback
      @illgeteverythingback Před 5 dny

      with itsuno gone say gg to the possibility of anymore rival schools in the future

    • @austinreed7343
      @austinreed7343 Před 3 dny

      @@illgeteverythingback
      Yeah though an SNK developed game might have a better chance to pick one of them.

    • @radiantansel202
      @radiantansel202 Před 3 hodinami

      ​@@illgeteverythingback I was about to say "just remaster one of the past ones"
      Then I forgot Capcom actually listened up and we are having Project Justice again🥴❤️
      If my only issue is the lack of crossplay... Oh well, at least is multi-plat

  • @JoeyTheTricky
    @JoeyTheTricky Před měsícem +15

    tiger cannon

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +3

      tiger raid

    • @Onigumo.
      @Onigumo. Před měsícem +5

      Tiger robocop

    • @Bloodlyshiva
      @Bloodlyshiva Před 25 dny

      Could be worse. Could be EX2/3's nigh instant one.

  • @UltraCollagenBooster
    @UltraCollagenBooster Před měsícem +4

    PAINT THAT FENCE! 🎨🎨🖌🖌

  • @Micha-Hil
    @Micha-Hil Před měsícem +7

    4:44 Can't talk about parries without the Evo moment lol

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem

      I also just wanted to show off my parry skills even though I suck at P groove in actual matches. I'm a C/S groove guy

  • @keiharris332
    @keiharris332 Před měsícem +3

    Ah my beloved. my favorite "broken" aspect of cvs2 is morrigan's ambiguous cross up mk. You can even press hk instead to wiff and land with a grab. Good times.

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +1

      yea morrigan's section was mainly to both highlight morrigan's insane mixup potential, but also how much she falls off when she loses run. like she goes from tournament viable upper mid tier to unviable low tier dumpster fire with one singular change.

  • @aclonymous
    @aclonymous Před 6 dny

    tip for the future, read your captions out loud to gauge how long they need to stay on screen. That's a good way to know how much time a viewer needs to read the information on screen and intuit all of it before more info is thrown at them.

  • @retrod8bit158
    @retrod8bit158 Před měsícem +2

    I hope/wis that all these Collections we have been getting would have updates or balance patches to improve and give new blood to these games. I do hope CVS gets a ReRelease. And if CVS3 gets developed it carryes a bit of the Music Vibe CVS2 at least like the NY Stage.

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +2

      I dont think CvS2 needs a balance patch to thrive but it would be interesting to see how one could fix some issues it has. I only really care for a CvS2 rerelease at this point, I'm too addicted to it

  • @Arcademan09
    @Arcademan09 Před 29 dny +1

    I grew up with the GameCube version and despite that ports questionable inputs i love it to this day, my absolute favorite fighting game. When i moved back to California i showed it to my cousin who also loves fighting games but he was never a big SF fan but LOVED KoF and meanwhile i loved SF but never played much KoF, he was blown away by the roster and we both played it constantly, we bought every version we could try just to see the differences. An absolute masterpiece, its a shame there's no modern port yet

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před 17 dny +1

      it really is a shame there's no modem port. even though the community (myself included) loves to rag on the gamecube port, i gotta take into account that people legit grew up playing it and there's no problem with that, the more people who play this game the better. i feel like your cousin liking KOF and you liking SF and bonding over this game is like exactly what capcom thought of when they did this crossover lol

  • @CrowFGC
    @CrowFGC Před 27 dny +4

    “While RCs are broken, they’re just a thing you have to accept to enjoy the game competitively.”
    Kid named CvS2 EO:
    Edit: i know noone plays it competitively, but they COULD and thats what irks me

  • @THENAMEISQUICKMAN
    @THENAMEISQUICKMAN Před měsícem +2

    CvS2 is my favourite fighting game just ahead of SF4 and KOF '98. I play an N-Groove Ryo, Iori and Ryu because I'm a psychopath.

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +1

      having ryu and ryo on the same team is like having steph and seth curry on the same basketball team. i respect it tho lol

    • @Friedafterbirth
      @Friedafterbirth Před měsícem

      Run -> cr.lp -> Run -> cr.lp

    • @THENAMEISQUICKMAN
      @THENAMEISQUICKMAN Před měsícem

      @@Friedafterbirth "Mom look I'm gonna win Battle by the Bay"

  • @kenshiro7960
    @kenshiro7960 Před měsícem +2

    Best CVS2 video I have ever seen in a very long time

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +2

      Thanks. As someone who knows a thing or two about this game that was hopefully the impression I would leave.

  • @shinmasterryu
    @shinmasterryu Před měsícem +35

    Why is the volume so low on the video?

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +31

      i generally have my programs on low volume, i forgot to increase the volume after exporting the project. if i can somehow edit this video to fix that then i will do that.

  • @ChellyChel2001
    @ChellyChel2001 Před 12 dny +1

    I'm here after the announcement lmao. THIS IS TRUE LOVE WE'RE MAKING

  • @BenjamminClark
    @BenjamminClark Před měsícem +2

    A roster so full of chars with unique and interesting tech and yet the meta of this game hovered around the same few characters

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +4

      happens with every game that has a large roster. a lot of characters in this game are definitely tournament viable though.

  • @HarmonicVector
    @HarmonicVector Před 27 dny

    5:07 "My Fight Money is the Money that will pierce your guard meter."
    -Balrog

  • @ErebosSpiral
    @ErebosSpiral Před 21 dnem +1

    My favourite genre of youtube, well produced in depth videos about games i've never heard of, how lovely. Also, what's the name of the song during the Sagat section, it sounds tranquil af

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před 20 dny

      it's called "fight with the wind" or just "windmill stage theme" colloquially

  • @IceeTeaKenzie
    @IceeTeaKenzie Před 9 dny +1

    As someone who is 20 and has only been into trad fighting games for about only 5 years or so, it speaks volumes that someone like me considers this one of their favorite fighting games. Ever since i started playing the genre cvs2 has always been one of my favs. So imagine my shock when i went to CEO last year and saw they had a cvs2 bracket and then for the first time i started seeing roll canceling and shit, I was in awe! I never looked up advanced tech because i thought no one ran tourneys offline anymore for this game. To see there was more to this game that i loved was so fucking cool! Then a few days ago as we all know they annouced the rerelease and i lost my shit (in my head of course i was at work lol) In that year since i first saw some of the advance tech cvs2 had to offer it went from not just one of my favorite fighting games, it went to one of my favorite games period and for there to finally be a rerelease on modern platforms and steam especially makes me so god damn happy!

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před 8 dny +1

      i would say this video barely scratches the surface for dramatic effect but this covers a ton of obscure tech. i'm also just as elated to hear about the rerelease announcement.

  • @sladevalen2120
    @sladevalen2120 Před měsícem +2

    I feel if cacpcom were to rerelease it that roll cancels would be patched (some of the mvc2 glitches in the upcoming colloection already proved they will patch stuff). I wonder how much the meta would be shaken up if that happened

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +4

      if RCs were removed and literally nothing else changed, i think top tiers still remain top tier. none of them get carried by RCs (maybe A-blanka but K-blanka is top tier as well) Additionally, low tiers would be even worse than they are for not having an option as powerful as RCs. I think the game would actually be more unbalanced, however if you're removing RCs you might as well fix the game in other ways like individually balancing characters.

  • @zukoulou7464
    @zukoulou7464 Před měsícem +1

    Capcom vs SNK 2 :
    Playstation 2
    Japanese Dreamcast
    Xbox
    Game Cube
    * Come back in Capcom vs SNK 2 :
    Kyosuke (Rival Schools)
    Maki (Final Fight 2)
    Rock Howard (Garoû : MOTW)
    Todo (Art of Fighting)
    Athena (KOF 94)
    Chang (KOF 94)
    Rolento (Final Fight)
    Eagle (Street Fighter)
    Hibiki (Last Blade)
    Haohmaru (Samurai Shodown)

    • @Discopope
      @Discopope Před měsícem

      are you real

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem

      Eagle is my favorite new addition to CvS2. Despite being an SF1 guy , they gave him a legit fleshed out moveset. I wish he returned in a future game but given that Capcom has largely moved onto 3D i can't expect that anytime soon.

    • @zukoulou7464
      @zukoulou7464 Před měsícem

      @@jay_cvs2 Eagle :
      _ English fighter in SF. Come back in SF Alpha 3 Game Boy Advance and PSP.
      _ US fighter in Savage Reign. (Neo Geo)
      Eegle : great shot in golf. (Sport)

  • @RaitoADV
    @RaitoADV Před měsícem +1

    Great video, but please raise up the volume next time. For a moment I thought my speakers weren't working lol

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +1

      yea i got that one a lot, idk how to edit videos post upload but if i find a way i'll get it fixed

  • @b387pp4
    @b387pp4 Před měsícem +1

    This is the only game where Benimaru had a cool looking super give it some credit

  • @Ramsey276one
    @Ramsey276one Před měsícem +1

    5:51 CC
    Corner
    Carry
    XD

  • @kendalllafollette1948
    @kendalllafollette1948 Před měsícem +1

    Heart warming video for the whole family, 10/10, would spam to my friends

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem

      your dad will be blown away when he finds out about hibiki's throw juggle CC

  • @phantasmex
    @phantasmex Před měsícem +2

    More busted crap like: roll super (Sagat level 2 safe, Yamazaki level 2s true 50/50), cross-up Level 3 Blanka super, Cammy canceling her Level 3 off s.HK whiff puninsh, linking her Level 3 after close s.HP (+10)/far s.HP (+9)/cr.MP (+7), or link close s.HP into s.HK xx Level 3, A-groove Claw in general

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +1

      oh yea if i mentioned every little detail and nugget of knowledge i know about cvs2 this video would be less like 30 minutes and more like 30 hours. there's so much to know about this game.

    • @rendidatriansyah6103
      @rendidatriansyah6103 Před 19 dny

      @@jay_cvs2 incoming part 2 why not?

  • @JustTryHard_Juth
    @JustTryHard_Juth Před měsícem

    9:00 I always love it when the best moves on a character are just the unassuming punch or kick and not the gigantic fireball or flying sword of doom

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před 17 dny +1

      fighting games are beautiful because you'll have an entire community pissing and shitting themselves over a move that looks completed innocuous to the average viewer but that's just how the genre is

  • @nadieimportante9119
    @nadieimportante9119 Před měsícem +1

    thats a good video hope max watches this on stream!

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +1

      i knew this vid would blow up, my goal was simply to show off high lvl knowledge to casual audiences and i think i've done that, but if some big names can see this as well than i guess im down for that.

  • @Lunardivider24
    @Lunardivider24 Před měsícem +1

    8:51 saving this point. lol, I've never seen this before. Game just gave up

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +2

      your opponent is upside down the entire round, unless you throw them. throw tech reversal in cvs2 is where the game just shits itself and gives you the most random ass outcomes

  • @HadesHatredEdge
    @HadesHatredEdge Před měsícem +1

    Jay, this video is fucking amazing my friend. What an upload. You had me hooked from the start. Bravo bravo.

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem

      Thanks, 30 minutes and consistently engaging was something I didn't think I was capable of but this format kinda made it easy for me.

  • @sirebellum0
    @sirebellum0 Před 9 dny

    The algorithm brought this to me after the Capcom FGC vol. 2 reveal
    As someone with a family and a full-time job now compared to when this first came out I am now *less* hyped for the rerelease because of this video single-handedly 🙁
    I don't have many friends to play with IRL (and the ones I do are REALLY into fighters who will proceed to smoke me after a couple matches), and I'm gonna get creamed online from not having the time to learn this insane meta

  • @mvscowner
    @mvscowner Před 7 dny

    Excellent video, can't wait for Capcom Fighting Collection 2 😅

  • @jeremiahsayainprophet678
    @jeremiahsayainprophet678 Před měsícem +1

    You cooked with this 🔥🔥🔥now I’m hyped to replay this

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +1

      That was partially the goal, I do think I cooked with this one

  • @user-it7wz5qu4v
    @user-it7wz5qu4v Před 8 dny

    For me, who started playing fighting games with Street Fighter 4, this game is the same thing as the latest one. I appreciate very much that you share your strategies with us.

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před 14 hodinami

      Thanks, I think some will find this knowledge dump useful, especially come the release of CFC2.

  • @ShinSHOGO
    @ShinSHOGO Před měsícem

    21:02
    I’d argue that K-Nako R1 is the way to go for using Healing.
    You get a knockdown from throw or H Mamahaha, and immediately do Healing and you’re getting back close to half your health back.
    Occasionally, and usually only if your opponent decides to dump their own resources, you’ll get punished for it.
    Most cases, they’ll get one hit in, so you lose maybe 5-10% health after.
    Which fuels your next use of Healing again.
    Even if you’re going for the long round and don’t get much health back between rounds, repeated uses of the Healing makes up for it.
    And it’ll definitely do a ton of mental damage. 😂❤

  • @HarmonicVector
    @HarmonicVector Před 27 dny +1

    2:33 *Melee port priority moment*

  • @kabukimanindahouse
    @kabukimanindahouse Před 24 dny

    sagats portrait is a callback to the silent fart grin from street fighter 1

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před 20 dny

      of all the portraits idk why nishimura referenced sf1 sagat but i guess they're both assholes in their respective games. she cooks with the art tho

  • @littleanvil2164
    @littleanvil2164 Před 26 dny

    8:41 gibbed
    8:44 do the ice walk
    8:47 so uhhhhh Seija
    8:52 when the Kakyoin flashing lights turn on (and a checkmate on top)

  • @jamiekuchma
    @jamiekuchma Před měsícem +1

    We need the Capcom vs SNK collection for the love of God and then cvs3

  • @ghostphase3745
    @ghostphase3745 Před měsícem +4

    0:09 Capcum

  • @rendidatriansyah6103
    @rendidatriansyah6103 Před 19 dny

    4:43 obligatory "LET'S GO JUSTIN!!"

  • @juliansoria7733
    @juliansoria7733 Před měsícem +1

    Men this was THE blast when I used to play it. Among the few games I managed to play a lot
    But ok I sucked a lot and didn't know like 99% of everything lmao

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +1

      sometimes the best experiences you have in a fighting game are the ones where you don't know what you're doing and you're just having fun.

  • @Drumtariano
    @Drumtariano Před 10 dny

    fantastic vid, I've been casually playing this game my whole life and it's nice to see all this stuff in action before the port comes out next year!

  • @nearly.
    @nearly. Před měsícem +2

    Good shit. learned a lot!

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +1

      i think non-cvs2 players should know these more obscure details because it goes a long way. now you know there's more to the game's quirks and nuance other than roll cancels.

  • @knucklestheechidna9826

    That Sho'ouken spam is hilarious
    14:50

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před 14 hodinami

      a decent bit of A-groove CCs are essentially 1 move spam (paint the fence, ken step kick, haohmaru heavy slash, etc) so sakura's definitely not alone

    • @knucklestheechidna9826
      @knucklestheechidna9826 Před 14 hodinami

      @@jay_cvs2 Yeah but Sakura's breaks your guard and does so much chip and essentially nearly the same damage as getting it!!!!

  • @marcorodriguez8792
    @marcorodriguez8792 Před 7 dny

    I am not sure what the S. Akuma vs Sagat match-up is, but I will say landing the infinite against Sagat with S. Akuma is so satisfying since Sagat is such a powerful character. I do hope that there would be a tournament that allows the boss characters to be used just to say what they would be like in the highest level. Who knows, maybe their low health really is a good way to balance them and they probably won't be top tier...

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před 7 dny

      shin akuma's depressing health means that he literally dies in like 2 touches. While double air fireballs is incredibly busted, Sagat can afford to eat them, shin akuma cannot afford to eat anything.

    • @marcorodriguez8792
      @marcorodriguez8792 Před 7 dny

      @@jay_cvs2 true. However, if shin Akuma does land the double air fire ball, it's already gg for Sagat since it is a pretty easy infinite to pull off but I imagine that it's not gonna be easy to get to that position against a good sagat player since one mess up and shin Akuma is dead

  • @lucascel5827
    @lucascel5827 Před měsícem +3

    One thing you're wrong about is Haohmaru's level 3 - in trades, the counter damage is insane, almost 80% right away. That means that if the opponent is locked onto any animation long enough, they'll be decimated by it. While situational, it's quite the frequent one...

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +2

      it's hard to trade on a move with 42 frames of startup. most times you can easily just jump over it or just block it. in punish scenarios it can work, but that would mean something has to be -42 on block, or have 42 recovery frames, and the list of moves like that is short.

  • @SolidSonicTH
    @SolidSonicTH Před dnem

    For such a powerful tech a lot of people I've seen use K-Groove, which has no defensive movement options at all. The most common RC Groove seems to be A.
    Also I never knew your Groove dictated your guard meter...

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před 14 hodinami

      K-groove offensively is so OP that it makes up for having no real defensive options outside of Just Defend. I would say the most common RC groove is a tie at all levels of play between C/A-groove imo, but at the absolute highest level of play A-groove has the edge.
      K and P groove have low guard meter (P is 80%, K is 90%), and other grooves have normal guard meter.

  • @Trebolt
    @Trebolt Před 25 dny

    Was wondering why Sakura and Bison's combos were called ShoSho and Paint the Fence but quickly realized why

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před 20 dny +1

      this was back in the day when certain combos had their own cool nicknames everyone knew.

  • @FinalDragoon
    @FinalDragoon Před 23 dny

    10:30 Friday Night Fisticuffs will never be forgotten.

  • @Ali-fs7ze
    @Ali-fs7ze Před 5 dny

    Alright. You convinced me. I'm playing this.

  • @HawaiianJuicebox
    @HawaiianJuicebox Před měsícem

    I played the fuck out of this game as a teenage arcade rat, & I still love it. Definitely still one of the best crossover games ever, & the soundtrack is awesome

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před 17 dny

      It's the goat to me so I agree

  • @ng8221
    @ng8221 Před 9 dny

    Crazy to get this cool video and the Capcom FGC2 announcement in the same month 😅

  • @erikfrederiksen4863
    @erikfrederiksen4863 Před 24 dny

    Deadly video. Great commentary too.

  • @un1d
    @un1d Před měsícem +2

    Love getting these kind of videos on less popular games like this which I don’t know much about! If I can ask one question though, why is competitive CVS2 ran at 1.25 speed when it causes skipped frames? Wouldn’t that be a very big reason to play at 1.00?

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +2

      Same reason why other old games at the time didn't: it's slow as hell. I feel like in modern times we would have switched to 1.0 speed but everyone's been playing games at turbo frameskip speeds for 30 years now so we got used to it

  • @KordanIDX
    @KordanIDX Před měsícem +1

    If Zangief was a better character I feel like people would be mad about it, like how he is being treated right now in SF6. Sad really, his pixel model looks the best compared to any of his 3D models but doesnt seem like any of them are good lol

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +2

      people get mad at good grapplers all the time, so yea if gief was good in this game he'd get hated on.

  • @LIONTAMER3D
    @LIONTAMER3D Před měsícem +1

    We need cvs3 yesterday

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem

      I need cvs2 4 months ago

  • @thejohnno
    @thejohnno Před měsícem +2

    i mean it has a pallete maker which is neat

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +2

      I think CvS1 was the first fighting game to have a color maker but correct me if i'm wrong. They really didn't need to include a feature like that but it's really cool that they did. I sometimes quite enjoy making a bunch of custom palettes for my characters.

  • @kumaSOevl
    @kumaSOevl Před měsícem

    This video was a great watch. As a casual I learned so much. I hope this comes to steam one day

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +1

      Glad you learned. My goal was primarily to show casual audiences all the nuances this game has. Some of the stuff I covered used to be only known by a few top players, but with this video I hope the casual audiences appreciate this game a little more.

  • @prime_231
    @prime_231 Před měsícem +1

    9:54 What is up with E-Honda being considered trash tier in every game he's in, yet Sagat's the complete opposite?

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +2

      Honda is actually good in CvS2, he just takes a little bit of getting used to.

    • @prime_231
      @prime_231 Před měsícem

      @@jay_cvs2 Finally he gets some respect.

  • @user-qq3ts4pv8d
    @user-qq3ts4pv8d Před měsícem

    Cant get tired of them videos

  • @ocean2zx
    @ocean2zx Před měsícem +1

    Your amazing keep up the good work.

  • @FungalFury
    @FungalFury Před 21 dnem

    lmao I was watching this a few days ago and didn't even realize you were the one who posted it jay

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před 20 dny

      if you see cvs2 content like this it's most likely made by me. that's pretty much all i'm doing with the channel now

  • @corrupt_Lurker
    @corrupt_Lurker Před měsícem +1

    Another to add to my collection of "X fighting game is broken"

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem

      i feel like this one can hang well with the rest of them, i tried including every nugget of nuanced info i could to make it stand out.

  • @user-ww3bs1ll2j
    @user-ww3bs1ll2j Před měsícem

    15:17 that bison(vega)'s combo looks very curious
    (btw I think sound volume of this video is too low that I watched it with 100% PC volume)

  • @LeebeeLink
    @LeebeeLink Před měsícem +1

    it's too bad we can't get a rereleased version with all the EO changes (except for RC removal), it sucks playing incomplete S and P grooves

    • @jay_cvs2
      @jay_cvs2  Před měsícem +1

      I think very few people would bat an eye if cvs2 rereleased without EO changes. outside of removing RCs they really didn't change much outside of a couple mechanics and character changes but overall it feels very incomplete, because if you wanted to "balance" cvs2 you'd have to do way more than just tweak damage values

    • @LeebeeLink
      @LeebeeLink Před měsícem +1

      @@jay_cvs2 very few people would bat an eye because very few people have played it lol. the improvements to S and P grooves are significant enough to justify it imo

  • @06hatter
    @06hatter Před 2 dny

    That's what we like to call, Big Damage