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- čas přidán 30. 10. 2019
- Should we release pheasants into the British countryside?
What are the positives?
Should we regulate?
What does the future hold?
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That was a beautifully shot film. The problem that shoots and shooters have is that people in the public eye like Chris Packham seem to be able to deliver their biased propaganda without challenge and their "facts" are swallowed whole by the public. My family moved to a small village in Norfolk in the 1960's. It was surrounded by small fields and backed onto extensive marshland. One of my friends dad was a stockman, another a shepherd and a third was a marshman. The common land of the village was huge and full of wildlife. There was a large amount of pheasant, partridge and waterfowl shooting and the land was managed and managed well. A game-keepers gibbet was a common sight. Birds of many species came to our bird table, species that I haven't seen now in years. Most of the hedgerows disappeared when the farms were taken over by farming companies and the small fields were turned into vast prairie-like plains from which the top soil blew away. The small fruit farms and nursery gardens went and so did the song-birds. Even the sparrows are rare now. But we do have thousands of corvids and sea-gulls. This year, for the first time since God knows when, I had a thrush nest in my garden; it was raided by a magpie and that was that. As I said the countryside was managed and managed well and gamekeepers on a nearby estate still do so; the amount of wildlife on that estate is wonderful and in sad contrast to the huge rape, wheat and sugar-beet deserts that my village now sits in. I wish that these corporate farms in my area were managed as well the estate is. Sorry for the length of my rant.
Wow. Guys this a cracking film, you've made a quantum leap in your film making at a moment in shooting that, In years to come will be seen as a paradigm shift.
Well done and ultimately, thank you. People such as yourselves and Patric Galbraith give me faith in the future of shooting.
Great film Johnny 👌 finally someone speaking sense and not damaging the sport with a video they put on social media.
Personally we need to go back the small days but at the same time the guns need to realise this will cost more as shooting is getting expensive.
Please Johny can you do a video of the cost of shooting ie per bird. The difference between a 100 bird day and a 200 birds day. Cause I have run shoots for 15 years and carnt find team of guns to pay the true value of a days shooting for a 100 bird day. Plenty will pay for 200 at the right price unfortunately people don't like the idea of paying more for less. So this is another reason shoots are getting bigger supply and demand. Top work again
Again great effort at portraying something from a young perspective. Rare Gold
Amazing video and I only wish it could help change the minds of the “Antis” and prove to them that the land is better utilized by the sportsman. Awesome job Jonathan, I absolutely enjoy your work.
Lovely bit of filming, well done to Sasha for his efforts ( a drone shot skimming across the meadow between the trees with a pheasant or two taking flight would have awesome )
Well done to John for being informative, and whilst promoting best practice, not denying that there are those who let the team down.
Generally statistical evidence when plotted forms a bell shaped curve, this applies to income, height, IQ to mention a few and just about everything you can think of.
Here in Australia gun laws were formatted on a few really bad shootings.... the far end of the bell shaped curve, all by people who shouldn’t have had a licence, 2 of which were obvious. Yet these outliers had a disproportionate effect on laws
You have the same problem, an extremely small minority can draw attention and due to emotions not balanced facts, with results that can harm the majority who are well behaved.
Wish you well, but the world is changing and the one dimensional protester has a disproportionate response from governmental departments, so it’s an uphill battle.
Look forward to more of your mini documentaries.
Trouble with government regulation is when you have a government in power that is mostly anti shooting. Game shoots should have a better self regulation and shooters should be more aware of the care that the shoots give the birds. Nice piece looking forward to the next one.
Well done everyone involved. Calm, measured and convincing.
Sterling work Jonny, Sash, David and the rest of the mandem. Brilliantly researched and a solid argument for self-regulation. I work in the Pharma industry and we are self-regulated in the U.K. and it makes things much easier for us to do our jobs adhering to codes of practice and auditing vs having it controlled centrally by the government.
Excellently put together footage. True in every word spoken about wildlife management and game rearing how this works hand in hand for the good. Well done all involved.
Really good film. Thanks for posting this. The most balanced and informative I’ve seen on the release of game birds. Really well done.
Great Video, there are already regulations in place that can be used by Natural England where they feel bird release is having a negative impact, to add there are already best practice guidelines that set out the stocking density and pen size on ground in relation to woodland and vicinity of SSSi land. if all shooters only attend best practice shoots then the problem will remedy itself! Speak to BASC after all they created the code of good shooting practice along with GWCT. keep up the good work.
Well done Johnny - brilliant. Keep up the good work.
Very, very well put together 👌🏻 thank you for your hard work.
Excellent video. Great points raised and interesting insights from people in the field.
No doubt a lot of work to get these together, but I hope you continue these types of videos and keep creating. Will do wonders for educating many people on the subject.
A wonderful piece full of common sense. Thank you.
Wow! Jonny and crew great piece! Beautifully shot and explained, now to get this out to the non shooters and hunters to show them how proper management benefits all!!
Well done!!!
Great video TGS. Keep up the excellent work. 👍🏻
This video has been made with such excellent precision 🙏🙏
proper journalism. well done
Great work Jonny and TGS my biggest question is this,
we all know what the good practices are, we all know that these are stretched to make the most money, so in my eyes there needs to bee more education from the top all the way down. We have more than enough organisations to make this possible, the problem is they have lost sight of what they are and become obsessed with making money !
Now all they do is compete Insted of working together, what I want to see is every single organisation,trust and association in the same room working together to change the future of countryside management in the UK to be the best it can be.
Agreed, a lot of these organizations are looking for kudos but what they should be doing is working alongside a lot more. It's like having a hunner cancer charities all crying out for money thats all going to the same goal so why not pool their efforts and work together or come as one huge organisation with many more members and a lot more clout?
Excellent work chaps
Awesome documentary. Well put together Jon.
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I like how you addressed all aspects of this issue. I thought you might gloss over the "bad apple" operations that give everyone a bad name. We have similar struggles here in the states with the optics of the actions of bad actors who release cage reared birds the day of the shoot who get all the attention in anti hunting news stories.
You are certainly right about the need to self regulate and do what we know is right before legislation is written for us. In the US one of our main issues isn't so much the poor practices of the few but the inability of hunters as a group to come to majority consensuses on issues that regard the community. The people exercising poor practices end up getting negative attention while the rest of the community fights among itself. We really have no coherent voice or message as a whole in the States. I feel this is the second edge of the sword which is having land and game in the public realm. It's easy for us to feel that it's a birth right to be able to hunt but at the same time lack the sense of ownership that comes with having ones own piece of private land. I do support the North American Model Conservation. I mainly posted this to compare and contrast our two conservation models as the overall topic of land and game conservation interests me greatly.
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I don’t live in the UK, but it seems to be a trend worldwide. A group of people that live in one area, try to control what a group that live in another area do.
The scale of releases is pretty amazing. I think my main issue with this industry is that as it grows in popularity, it commodifies game species, and eventually commodification destroys hunting. By that i mean that it is more driven by market forces than more natural hunter values. While there are varying opinions, hunting is ultimately about the pursuit of wild, free-roaming game in their natural habitats. Its about fair chase. ANything less is just a form of culling livestock or chickens. Its a canned hunt. Sure the shooting can be challenging but they are not wild birds...wild pheasants just dont do what pen-raised birds do. So you get a generation of hunters who dont really have the same taste of raw hunting....to them there may be the cool layer of tradition, butthe value system is still toward more killing vs. pursuit of game. You could return to wild bird shooting if you were willing to abandon the scale of take - recognizing that a given piece of ground can't support as many hunter days in a season. I recognize that the economy created by planting programs has a trickle down effect on habitat management so that is valid...and I guess the lack of public land is a tough pickle to be in. I guess hunting licenses and tags dont pay for wildlife management there? Are there areas where a hunter of modest means could hunt wild black grouse, red grouse, and grey partridge? It would be interesting for you to visit the US and do some videos on game management here. Its not that it is better on all accounts, - but would be interesting comparison for your viewers I think. We definitely have our own issues - mainly the effect of new agricultural techniques, pesticides, and declining private land access. We have a program called CRP - Conservation Reserve Program which is funded through our federal Farm Bill. IT pays farmers to plant fields back to native grasses/forbs etc among other programs. Very important part of our wild gamebird management.
Cool video. We do things very different in Canada. Id love to do a shoot over there
These really are fantastically produced, great documentary
Nice video
It's a good discussion to have. David West seems to be completely oblivious regarding the imposition that a "local council" anti-shooting jobsworth would impose on the land owner. I 100% agree that self regulation is the way forward. BGA is a good start. GWCT is the best thing going and if we, the game shooting community don't support it, we deserve to lose our sport.
Government, national, regional and local will kill our sport in less than 5 years,
Game shooting is good for the environment.
Game meat is healthy eating.
Turning a blind eye, or laughingly accepting illegal activity will cost us our sport.
GWCT best practice is actually best practice. If your ground can't host a shoot using that best practice or only have a break even shoot but you think you deserve a few quid from shooting so what the hell, you will do more to ban shooting than Packham and Co ever could.
Going to England and do a pheasant hunt is one thing I really want to do besides a red stag hunt.
A great video and there is lots in there that I agree with. The problem is how does a gun looking to book a day, or accept an invite, know how much conservation work is being done on that shoot. The keepers hold the amount of birds they put down closer to their chest than their first born. You don't know how much cover crop is planted, how much predator control is done, do they feed after the season has finished, what their stocking density is etc etc.... so how we can we vote with our feet? I would be interested to hear how you suggest that we find this information out and thus enable us to choose wisely.
Commercials shoots could easily be star rated in their conservation and wildlife performances
by the likes of BASC Game conservancy or other governing bodies .
@@geraldswain3259 Whilst a rating system is feasible, it would be far from easy to implement and is years away from delivery. In the mean time my question is still valid. How are we meant to assess whether or not a shoot is a) adhering to the code of good shooting practice and b) how much conservation work the shoot is doing?
There are a number of initiatives to help improve standards across the industry and these target both Guns and Shoot Managers and apply to shoots big and small alike - size is not an indication of quality. As an example, large shoots employing paid professionals have the potential to pay for far greater habitat and wildlife enhancement than many small shoots. Small shoots with keen members can also deliver good net biodiversity gains and what they lack in funding, they can make up with manpower.
GWCT’s own work has involved the development of a book called The Knowledge, which is underpinned by more than 120 scientific papers and is aimed at the person squeezing the trigger: www.gwctknowledge.com/ . This seeks to educate the Gun on what to look for when they are out on a shoot and develop their understanding of what goes on to achieve driven game shooting. Having read The Knowledge, Guns can also become accredited shots by completing an online exam and a similar exam has also been created with Shoot Managers in mind. Links to both can be found here: www.gwctknowledge.com/get-accredited/ . The aim being that shoots that hold this accreditation are more knowledgeable and more likely to operate to higher standards.
For some years, the GWCT advisory department has been undertaking shoot biodiversity assessments across the country. This comprehensive walk-over review is not a pass or fail situation, but it helps Shoot Managers to understand where their strengths and weaknesses lie in the management of the shoot. www.gwct.org.uk/shootbiodiversity
You may well have seen TGS’s interview with the British Game Alliance. Its Shoot Standards, which are written by the industry, for the industry, are very comprehensive and are helping to improve management on the ground: www.britishgamealliance.co.uk/standards/
The opportunities described above have the potential to significantly raise standards but are heavily dependent on uptake by the shooting community.
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Here in Pennsylvania, we used to have lots of wild pheasants 60 years ago, more so in some areas. But now habitat has changed tremendously due to farming, socio-econmics, suburbanization and weed killer. Also, we now have a profusion of predatory birds along with foxes, coyotes and racoons. Basically, we don't have brushy, scrubby undergrowth everywhere to accomodate pheasants. But there was no downside to having pheasants here, when we could. Now all pheasants are released or 'stocked', as we say. But in PA, every, EVERY released pheasant falls under the regulations of the Game Commission. Also, only the Game Commission can release pheasants on game lands. You can't do your own stocking on game lands. So you can release on private land, but can only hunt them in season, even if you raised the birds. For training on game lands, one can use pigeons or Hungarian partridge. These are not considered a 'game' species and are OK for off-season training.
I lament private land that is off-limits to hunting, but I also think about Brittan. Besides the upper-crust tweedy culture being totally absent, you all would think what we have is great. I paid $30 for a pheasant permit this year and my friend and I shot nearly 40 pheasants with my English springer spaniel. And there is no controversy such as you have in Brittan on this subject.
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Great vid, lad, totally agree with you and some great points there.
Any hunter who thinks its just a free for all once they've paid their dues and doesn't think we should have decent regulations or have our self policing in order are either lazy, greedy or just plain ignorant.
We as a hunting community cannot stand much more against the pressures of every government party, conservation group, anti group, anti celeb, clueless townie etc that are out to shut us down and et's be honest, we're seriously outnumbered, the UK is a nation of animal lovers and hunting is not exactly favourable among the masses so seeing pits of dead birds, baited animals, poisoned birds of prey etc will certainly stick in their craw and they're quite happy to tar us all with the same brush.
Those who get their jollies mass shooting hundreds of birds a day for a ridiculous amount of money have the right to do so (more fool them for paying to do so) but they or the estate should be able to vouch for every bird shot and be able to prove they're going to the plate before the triggers are pulled. I reckon shoots that are found to dump hundreds/thousands of birds should be hit with a fine each time and that money put back into local conservation projects. We need to shame, prosecute and oust those that break the law and we need to show the rest of the public and the government that we can be on top of the negative issues within the hunting community ourselves and we need to do it soon before the government makes any more decisions for us.
"If you're not going to eat it, don't fucking shoot it!".. That's pretty much our rule for the game birds on the estate and it's said before every shoot. The pheasants and ducks are always spoken for though, however many but all others such as goose, snipe, woodcock, pigeon etc won't be shot unless they're for dinner (although no-one really wants to shoot woodcock or snipe on our syndicate now).
I put a post up on Friday of a game pie I made for a party and stated that I had shot, dressed, butchered and cooked those animals myself and within 15 minutes I had over 100 likes and probably only about 5 of those people hunt. Also, a load of my family are vegetarian, including my mum but they don't say a word against it because they understand why we do it and that there shows many people are willing to listen to reason if we have a good enough one to put to them but what reason do we have for many 1000's of dead, uneaten birds laying in a pit? "Greed" is pretty much the only answer I can think of and it's certainly not one I enjoy giving.
To be succinct, commercial game shooting provides the funds for land management, which if done well promotes biodiversity. That's the sum of it isn't it? General definition of biodiversity so often seems only to relate to songbirds. Is that a fair definition of biodiversity? If not what should these standards and definitions be I wonder? What other issues/factors should be considered when judging the 'state of health' of land?
Interesting question: I guess it’s a ground up assessment.
Soil, bacteria, invertebrates, plants, then other animals.
Of course just assessing key indicators of biodiversity is easier, but it would be interesting to do full ground up studies on land of various ground uses and management styles.
Why should game shoots be government regulated with regards to stocking densities and the need for habitat management plans? Farms don’t need habitat management plans nor as far as I’m aware do they have regulations on stocking density unless the animals are in buildings. We need the shooting community to implement self regulation based on good if not best practice identified through science based research.
Self regulation is infinitely preferable to that which would be delivered by external parties.
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Nice video but you are hardly without a bias on any of these issues you have hosted.
Great content, and I'm only here as a conservationist type. Little bit of camera shake during the interview makes the message a bit less comfortable but really impressive content overall.
Whats are your thoughts on the subject?
@@tgsoutdoors regulation to prevent malpractice isn't a bad thing, but this can maybe come from animal welfare regulations that already exist and not some new oversight. I would love to see actual data about biodiversity from those interviewed. IMO people want to connect to their food and see the impact *good and bad* that it has on the world. If that can be mediated through game hunting on well managed lands that's great.
Pheasant release regulation is already managed by nature. Any attempt to set fixed dates on releasing birds will inevitably at some point come into conflict with the weather. The release schedule is dependent on the condition of the birds, whether they are ready to be released and the weather conditions and release conditions. You cannot dictate or legislate fixed dates to any procedure which is dependent on nature, growth or the weather.
It needs an industry paid for auditing body to award Michelin style stars to farms and estates such that the average shooter can determine diversity friendly credentials via an index of measure they can understand easily. However the flaw is that unlike Haute cuisine, quantity equals quality for many so as one of the keepers said maybe a star system could be used to fetch the best bird quotas or at least act as the multiplier. If it is a stage where birds are being vaccinated then I think government should step in coz that''s kind of a big indicator to me that birds are being stocked beyond capacity of the land to provide proper habitat. If we have to have intense farming it should really be just for the sake of food and not for peoples jollies. I am confused with respect to predation coz do not other species depend on such to maintain healthy numbers and keep balances in check... I thought they did.
The activists should be looking more at the production of chickens in factory farms . Activists should be more responsible. These game birds are released and the wild birds become an organic source of protein. There is a huge amount of conservation work involved, not only for the benefit of the game birds. However release is sometimes adjusted if the weather is poor for the young birds. Shooting game is very regulated and licenced, not only for the humane shooting but also for safety. Game shooting and releasing of birds into the wild is the most ethical way of producing cheap organic protein and maintaining the countryside and habitat of all birds, whilst being funded independent of government funds.
The fact that you’re having this conversation and it seems to be legislation that is always brought up and on the table is so sad. I’m so glad I’m from America where hunting is so much more respected by the average person
At what point does hunting become illegal altogether? Step by step, that’s the way it’s going. Such a shame. I don’t see a country full of vegetarians, but I do see this.
This film sounded very anti agriculture
Sorry to hear you thought that. It wasn’t meant to be
It wasn't whatsoever. It pointed out that if the ground was left to arable species then it would be void of nature whereas if it's managed for game then it's beneficial to all wildlife. That's not anti agriculture, that's just stating fact, common sense really.