Comparison: XV 5080 High End & JV 1010 Low End
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This video is about a sound comparison of the high end sound module, the Roland XV-5080 and the low end sound module, the Roland JV-1010.
Both machines contain all the sounds of the Roland JV-1080 and the Roland JV-2080.
There's a serious price difference between the two on the 2nd hand market because the XV-5080 has much more options.
But if you're after the sounds of the JV-1080 and JV-2080 then perhaps the JV-1010 will be all you need.
Take a good pair of headphones or speakers and make your own decision.
Thanks for watching and listening.
Grtzzz,
Roger
www.themidimaniac.com
There is nothing Low End on JV-1010. It is even more powerful than JV-1080 since it has Session expansion board built in, extra E bank of patches from 2080 and even the DAC is the same as in XP-30. The only thing is that might hint the low end experience is the small appearance and the need to edit it via computer. By the way JV-1010 responds to CCs for cutoff, resonance, attack, decay and even volume of individual parts within a patch. SoundDiver works for me on Windows10 which is the best JV editing software out there. Anyway amazing video! Thank you for the comparison.
The JV-1010 is a beast, in my opinion. And yes, it responds to CC and also to SYSEX.
I love the built-in Session card too. So versatile!
Comparison made with pleasure!
Said All! I created a new free patch editor for Roland JV-1010. By your comments, I can see that you really knows what is a 1010 and I belive that you will like of this new editor! Check this link: ctrlr.org/jv-patched-roland-jv-xp-patch-editor/
Hi ShotecMusic, greetings! May I ask where to get the SoundDriver please? It seems not available on Roland official website. Cheers!
@@jimmiehong Google Search for Roland XP-30 SoundDiver... you'll find it ;) XP-30/JV-1010 used the same version.
I really like the small form of the JV1010 and one expansion slot is enough for me, but I seem to hear there is a difference in sound between the more expensive units and the JV1010, less high end sparkle?
Not sure if that really matters for my application, what do other people think?
One more time just fantastic! JV-1010 is a really cheap and powerfull synth!! Your videos are showing this. For who says that JV-1010 have a poor and compressed sound comparing with others of your family have to review the concepts. One more time thanks for this fantastic work!
Wow, thanks! Yeah...that JV-1010 is brutal. I sold the JV-1080+JV-2080 because with the JV-1010 I have them both in a much smaller machine. :D
How do I get the SoundDiver program?
The good thing about XV5080 is that is highly tweakable monster. You can easily make it sounds like 1080 with tiny bit programming if you know what are you doing, and effect there are top notch 24/48khz quallity.
Also the XV5050 is good alternative as this one is also 44.1 Khz with 24-bit FX
@@sK3LeTvM1 It is , but it sacriface space for SRX and SR-JV80 cards a lot. 5050 has only 2 slots for SRX, and 5080 has 4 to each of them, plus its sample playback, so you can via scsci use it with conjuction of effects and ton loads of old CD`s on the market.
@@DadoSimicStudiostriver Yeah, but let's be honest : The sample playback is somewhat 'oldscool' and loading times are long. Where to find CD Roms that also cost you money...
@@sK3LeTvM1 Its not just sample playback which is ubber awesome cause samples via XV5080 sounds crystal clear like no other sampler before.
Only if you havent heard how it sounds you may not wanted something like that. Its pure awesomeness, plus you can make your own if you have software sampler and export them in roland format, so it opens another universe to explore.
And its not just that, 2 SRX slots VS 4 SRX and 4 SR JV80 is big difference.
Sold my first 1010, but regretted it. Got one back last week, for life :-)
💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽 I had the same experience!!!
It will never leave my setup.
Great to read that your so happy with it!
Haha, that happened to me twice, every time when I thought to have found a successor. Now I bought my third JV1010 and will keep it. Won't get tricked again!
Funny, I've owned a lot of gear, a lot of it really good gear over the years, some of which I miss, but the only bit of gear I've bought again is the Roland JV-1010. There's something appealing about the combination of classic Roland sounds in a half rack module, simple interface and the lowest cost way to get into the JV line.
Now free software editors are available, the disadvantage of the small display is not such a big deal. The one expansion slot is enough for me (I've put the SR-JV80-02 Orchestra card in).
Having said that the sound of the JV1010 seems slightly darker/duller than the JV1080/2080, I'm not sure why. I don't mind, as the sounds I'm using generally don't need that top end. I did find the lack of sparkle disapointing on the Bell Tree patch, however.
Another contender I'm considering is the JV2020. I am considering trying the Roland cloud too, theres a LOT of JV sounds available in it, but of course its the in the box solution. The tempation of the cloud package is I believe you get everything, even all the cards for a reasonable price. Despite the name, you get VST plugins that live on your PC!
Maybe it's just that I"m old and my hearing is trashed, but I really don't hear much if any difference. Both synths have more or less the same architecture (multitymbral 4-part romplers with lots of filtering and modulation and various effects), so at this kind of price difference on the used market, why NOT get the 1010? Heck, I've always had a weakness for those lush Roland sounds, and I still have a little bit of music gear mad money left this year, so I think I might just have to do it.
[EDIT - Merry Christmas to me... just scooped up a JV-1010 for under 200 clams. This thing is definitely punching way above its weight!]
The sound banks of the XV-5080 contains all the sounds of the previous JV models. The XV5080 has much better DACs than the 1080, that's why the sounds of it have more "weight" and much better low end. The 1080 was a serious piece of gear back then and still today. But the XV-5080 became the heavy artillery of Roland's digital synths. Keep in mind that what really matters, is the quality of the music someone makes, no matter what gear he is using! A friend of mine had the 1080, it is very good synth. I own two XV5080s and I am still using them until today. Great synth and so is the 1080. Thanks for the video!
Better DAC means less character
Just picked up a jv-1010 for 75 euros, after I saw your comparison. A big thanks to you!
That’s an amazing bargain!
Happy to read that my vid helped you with this buy. You won’t regret it!
Same here. Just bought JV1010. Not a bargain (135€) but still good. Thanks for the comparision!
The XV-5080 and JV-1010 share the same DAC. This might explain some of why they sound mostly very similar.
In a way, the 1010 sounds even better because it's a little more old school in the upper end.
I agree on you. I love my 5080 because of the crisp sound but the JV-1010 has that typical JV-sound. I sold it but I rebought it because I missed that grittiness.
the xv5080 has some samples in 44khz, instead of 32khz, so probably why some sounds cripser. also better effects :)
I love my Jv1010 ❤️
Good for you! It's a very nice sound module!
For practical purposes, they sound identical. I would argue that in most cases, there are _slight_ differences which can be attributed to the fact that the notes played were done by hand rather than by notes sent from a sequencer. Other times, it's because the 5080 has different waveforms and more effects to play with.
In a blind AB test, where notes are sent in from a sequencer, and the listener doesn't know which one is being played, I'd wager that most of us couldn't tell which device was producing the sounds.
Both sound amazing. The 1010 is not 'low end'.
Edit: there are copies of SoundDiver out there you can use to program the 1010. I'm running SoundDiver on a Windows 11 computer and a Blokas MidiHub, it's fun to work with.
I've owned my Roland JV-1010 since 10/10/1999!
Same here! :)
My B-day - I was 20 😎
XV-5080 has much more waves, 44.1kHz sample rate, better effect, more expansions, sample playback. SCSI and smart media card. About 1000% more functionality and sounds.
And, it is downwards compatible with the old JV synths. That is one of the great things of the XV-5080. and that is the only thing you are testing..........
Nice playing, nice sounds too, nice video and the JV-1010 sounds nice too.
I totally agree with you.
The XV is Xtreme Valuable and the 1010 is Just Valuable 😉
The XV is a huge flagship with soooo many options. This is indeed just a sound comparison to show people that the JV-1010 is worth its money in the 2nd hand market.
Awesome video, I just bought an XV-5080 for $200 cdn. A steal. Bought my 1010 2 years ago for $300 cdn. Love then both. The 1010 goes on stage with me, used with a MODX6. Now I just need a korg TR and N1R or something to get those Korg sounds in the setup.
That's indeed a steal! So freakin' cool!
You mean Korg *M* 1R ? 🤔
@@SEOTeamBerlin Nope, N1R. It was the last rack module using Ai2 before the Trinity. Released in 1999, not the 80’s. It is much smaller, lighter and cheaper than the very limited and expensive M1R. I’ve bought one since the last post and my mini rack now has it and the XV-5080.
Thanks for this, didn't even know the JV1010 existed while looking to get a XV5050. Sounds a little bit muffled/soft compared to the 5080 but that actually works on a lot of these sounds. 5080 is almost too clean.
Thanks for your comment.
Yes, my personal feeling is also that the 5080 is too clean.
I bought a JD-990 and that unit sounds more genuine like the 1080 (which I sold together with the 2080 to buy the 5080)
The 5080 will not leave the studio because of the RBUS-connection and I will never sell my 1010 because of that muffled sound, as you mention it :-)
It's a great unit and the size is huge ;-)
Hng, just bought a 5080. Mind you that will take 4 JV + 4 SRX cards and some of those are pretty spectacular. Also sits nicely with my VP9000 :)
Congrats on your new piece of gear! And yes, with all those cards installed you have an amazing load of sounds.
Ah...the VP...such a great sampler!
Thanks for taking the time to do this!
And thank you for leaving such a comment! Done with pleasure, of course!
I've commented here before but I just thought of two new differences: 1) I really like the patch Translucence (JV bank E 103 / XV bank D 103) the 2.2Vibave and 2.2Bellwave samples are different. On JV you can hear kind of majorish overtones whereas on the XV those overtones are somewhat minorish. That makes the Translucence on XVs little less optimistic :)) --- 2) On the JVs some patches do not use all 4 tones (partials) but when you turn these tones on, they are actually preprogrammed with some cool additional sounds and textures to enrich the patch. Take Soundtraque (bank E/D 104) as an example. On the XVs, turning on the unused tones does nothing since there are no waveforms selected but I found out that all other parameters are there. I guess it was because XV has much more wave samples and they are numbered differently.
Thanks for your addition. It's great to read these things because of the depth of it.
I read somewhere that the 1010/1080/2080 are more of a "composer's toy" for straight-up live play and feel, while the other models including 5080 are more like an "engineer's tool" with extensive tweaking capabilities. So the differences are deliberate and logical.
composer's toy? You must mean "instrument"
@@robinweber9640 Yes, the word instrument works as well :)
Wow the 1010 is a beast
Indeed it is. Thanks! ;D
I really like the 1010, I don't have money for the 5080, but the 1010 is difficult for me to control without a screen, I have modified it with the midiquest editor, but I still can't get the sound I want, the comparison of the 1010 against the 5080 is incredible It does not look so bad, I would like a performance mode in the most affordable 1010 more practical, but good for that the size and the price
jv1010 sounds better to my ears :)
The reason why that last patch Shadows sounds different is because JV synths have tone delay setting called Play-Mate, I do not fully understand it yet, but it seems it somehow delays the sound by the length between previous notes you played or something like that :)) but this feature is not in XV range so that one particular Sine Wave tone is played without any delay. That gives it that extra bite at the beginning. Nothing major really, I believe Shadows is the only patch using Play-Mate tone delay and I can't imagine any real use for it :)
Thank you so much for this explanation. It proves the difference.
Play-Mate...hahaha nice name :D
Wow how cool does the 1010 sound,sounds more warmer & realistic just listing to temple of Jy over & over I can’t believe how much warmer the 1010 is
It’s a wonderful small unit. Packed with loads of great sounds.
Cool !!!
16-bit vs. 24 bits: Older modules, such as the JV series, use 16 bits, which was common at the time. Newer models, such as the Integra-7 and the XV series, use 24 bits, allowing for better sound quality with more detail and a wider dynamic range. 24-bit: 24-bit depth offers greater resolution and is capable of capturing and reproducing a wider range of dynamics, which is especially important for complex, expressive sounds.
would have been nice to keep the unit text on screen instead of removing it after a second. i kept having to back up to see which unit was playing at the time.
Why don't you forget both of those, and focus on the real synth in that rack - the V-Synth XT?
I would kill for the chance to get my hands on a V-XT, but I can never seem to find one for sale when I have some extra $$$ to burn...
Hahaha! I tell you that I sold both machines and kept the V-XT, of course.
I know a lot of people have the 1010 and that’s the reason why I did this video.
I hope you find an XT one day.
@@theMIDImaniac Just like the Korg Oasys, the V-Synth is one of those "once in a lifetime" synths - seems once people own one they rarely want to share :-/ But we keep looking, and hoping :-)
JV 1010 sounds rather "tin-like" in comparison with the pristine CD-like sound of the 44,1 Khz XV-5080 - as if the JV-1010 were put through a low-pass filter, all the bass below 100 Hz being cut off.
Means: at nearly the same prices of just a couple hundred bucks as of 2020 on the second-hand market, XV-5080 is a clear winner, considering more studio master ready better engine, better and more fx per voice, more place for the expansion boards the sample-reading capabilities
Not when all of your music is consumed through CZcams or Spotify. They sounds identical.
@@2112jonr yes, youtube has some compression, but even then one can hear the difference in any halfway decent high resolution studio headphones - e.g. I can hear it in my "Bluedio Turbine T4" or better + only like 1% humans can hear the difference, being professionally trained in music production i.e. sound engineers etc. + music production is not for youtube.
Just bought a Roland JV-1010, it may look small, but it is full of power and possibilities, and it sounds fantastic! I look forward to exploring it 😊 I use it together with an old Technics keyboard with MIDI connection 👍
I also bought a JV-1010 a week ago. It's a great instrument in a small body. I love it.
@@paulatreides1 Yeah, i think it's fantastic 😄 Now i use it with a Roland Pc-200 MKII midi keyboard 👍
I think the shining star of all the JD/JV/XP/XV synths is probably the JD990..I have the XP80 and its identical to all the sounds you played but Ive always noticed there is something extra in the 990.
Due to your comment I checked on eBay.
I did have GAS buuuuut spending 1000€ on a JD-990....not this time.
Last year I saw one for 600€...
Thanks a lot for your comment.
@@theMIDImaniac I hear you. Im so desperate to get one even more than the integra
Great review! Question: does the XV-5080 come with all the factory patches of the JV-1080?
Really appreciated the JV-1010. I own a 5080 and sometimes I think that the sounds are somehow sunk deep into effects, a think that I don't like.
The 1010 is the same. Most patches sounds awful without the reverb, chorus, and/or other effects that are applied by default when selecting patches.
I’ve had a JV-1010 since the early 2000’s. Some years ago I bought an XV-5080 with the intention of it replacing the 1010 and my S-760 (the XV can load and save S-7xx samples). Within six months I had sold the XV. I just didn’t like it’s sound and the sample management side was just awful. Still have the JV-1010 and S-760.
Thanks for sharing your story.
I had the same. Somehow the XV didn’t satisfy and I sold it also.
The 1010 has this special gritty sound.
A year ago I bought the XV-5050 because it was cheap (100€).
@@theMIDImaniac Agreed and frankly, with SoundDiver (which I still use), the 1010 is easier to edit. The only ‘loss’ was the individual outputs.
The Presets with alot of high end top show the difference in samplerate I guess. I would choose a 1010. Sounds great and Is highly portable. Great sounds!
There's a really in-depth analysis online (don't have the URL handy at the moment) that shows that there's some lossy compression going on to jam all those sounds into the sample ROMs in some of the JV/XV modules, but there isn't much if any audible impact. All these Roland ROMplers sound mind-bendingly good, and at the sorts of prices we're seeing nowadays almost any one of them from the space-saving 1010 up to one of the big 2U tanks would be a must-buy.
I bought the jv1010. Love it.
So the JV-1010 and the JV-2080 come with the exact same factory patches? I’ve wanted to know if the JV-2080 has a specific patch I heard on a JV-1010 called String Ensemble 1. No one on CZcams has featured that patch except PanomaraCircle
Yes, the JV-2080 has that patch too.
On both machines the sound can be found under Preset Bank C patch number 40.
It is an original JV-1080 patch, I noticed.
The MIDI Maniac thank you for letting me know! For a long time I was sure they both sounded much different or had different patches. Hopefully I’ll get to own one someday
RT Spacer I will test the sound tomorrow on my XV and JV. I’m curious now 😉
@@theMIDImaniac Awesome, if you did a video on that I'd view it so fast I might be the first! Subscribed ✔
I would says, that 5080 have more robust bass end in compare to 1010, who knows why, anyway also Fantom XR have same issue with analogue out.
One thing that can be said between the two is that the 5080 definitely has a superior piano sound.
There's no doubt about that!
I love my xv 2020. Such a pity Roland won't update their xv editor with Windows 10.
Didn’t really hear much of a difference!
Expanding Sound I agree on that. The XV had a street price of 2.495€ and the JV 499€.
But ok...the XV offers so much more. Sound wise the JV is huge.
The MIDI Maniac I’ve owned both the 1010 and the fantom fa-76, which had the 5080 engine if I’m not mistaken, this video is making me want to pick up an 1010 again :). I still have my fantom s board, the fa was just wayyyy too big. But the 5080 really is a beautiful sound
Expanding Sound the FA- series is also beautiful. When my QS7 dies it will be replaced by a FA for sure.
And I can imagine that picking up a 1010 again is tempting.
It is a great unit and I love the session-board.
excellent comparison...which one would you recommend me for 150 € the jv 1010 or the xv 2020? I have a korg N5 and a 05rw and an accompanying keyboard.The idea is to add a little more quality and sound warmth.
Thanks!
If you can get the 2020 for 150€ than I would choose that one.
Just because it’s easier to create sounds for it because of the USB.
And you can put two srx cards in it.
They sound equal and the 2020 has more options.
@@theMIDImaniac Thank you, I take note.
Cheers
update - I got a JV1010 now and it sounds awesome! :)
Congrats! It’s a small and amazing beast! Enjoy!
I wonder if the reason why the JV1010 sounds muffled is because it has 32khz sampling rate like all the JVs, but with 24bit dacs which might have less aliasing than the earlier 18 bit or 16 bit DACs of the early JVs? The XV5080 would have 24 bit DACs, but with (I'm guessing) 44.1khz sampling rate.
Your musical work on CZcams is very good! Congratulations, I really liked your video, and I have a question.
How do you use the identical font type that Roland uses to display the model of the keyboards and their equipment in general? The font of the letter which would it be? Or is it a secret? :) :) :)
Again I congratulate you on your beautiful work on CZcams
If there are any spelling mistakes of mine, I apologize, because I used the Google translator from Portuguese to English.
Muito obrigado! Thank you so much for your great words. No, it’s no secret. Tomorrow I will put the fonts on my webpage! Great question!! 💪🏽👌🏽✌🏽🤙🏽
@@theMIDImaniac Thanks for the reply and attention!
May God always bless you!
I subscribed now to your channel
@@fmendoncatecladista Hello my friend! Thanks for subscribing. Really appreciated!
Here a link to the download with all fonts I use in my videos.
Stay safe too!
themidimaniac.com/roland-synth-fonts/
The MIDI Maniac hello good afternoon my brother! Again your fan here in Brazil thanks you for your attention and response, I will look at the link and download here, your CZcams channel is very good and I will become your fan. Thank you so much for everything and I wish God to bless you
Good timing: I'm trying to "get in" to my 1010 with both a Apro500 and a BCR2k. How is your template coming?
Nice, thanks! Roland will stay forever in debt for a GOOD and functional Sw editor for the marvelous JV-1010. They still have a chance but I don't think they will, sadly.
Greetings from México! :)
Thanks a lot! I'm busy creating a template for the BCR to create sounds with the JV-1010. All based on SYSEX. Then you will have realtime control over the parameters.
@@theMIDImaniac great! I'll be dreaming about it meanwhile pal! Thanks!!! :)
czcams.com/video/umc96GwMPso/video.html
Can’t really hear the difference. Can’t really say which sounds better.
Johnny de Kock the only difference is the last sound which really sounds different but it’s amazing how equal they are.
Ok, the possibilities of the xv are no comparison for the jv, but if you only want those typical sounds then you’re good to go with the jv.
Hey! Are all of the sounds played in this video stock presets with the 5080? Or is it a separate expansion card? Great video!!:)
Hi! All are presets 😁🙌🏽👌🏽
@@theMIDImaniac thanks!!! just bought one myself so I'm looking forward to playing with it!!!
@@ivarsenmc9115 awesome! Enjoy your unit! Happy New Year!
@@theMIDImaniac thanks, you too, Sir!
JV-1010 is good but I am so dissapointed with it's user interface. Roland made it too bad for this module because the indicator is only three digit numbers. If Roland had made it as good as Roland Sound Canvas series like SC-55mkII or SC-88mkII with wide LCD screen, that will be great and we can see the patch names instead of numbers. I think Roland were running on the deadline to release this module so they did not concentrate the UI design seriously, just because it was designed to be the player, no built-in editing like it's brothers like JV-880/1080/2080.
An LED display keeps the price down.
The JV sounds like the MP3 of the xv. Less dynamics and harsher/brassier. Like it has less mids, more highs and a thinner bass. Is the velocity sensitivity set lower or even adjustable on the JV?
When you play the JV, the notes are closer in volume throughout, whereas the xv, it seems far more dynamic and depending on your playing to be more even.
Makes the JV sound louder on your comparison.
They carried on the xv synth engine right through the first gen of fantoms.
Was quality.
Who can't hear the clear difference between 5080 and 1010 has to check their ears or find different hobby/ job. 5080 goes much deeper and has better, fuller sound.
I have a 1010 i dont know reprograming or remmaping performances in him, yet, any ideas please
Hope the JV-1010 is ok cause that is what I have. Wish I had a better piano sounds but I guess it's fine for what I do, I'm not a professional musician, just play in church sometimes.
I love the JV-1010 and especially the Session Sounds. Those pianos are great. Also patch 67 is one of my favourite because of the guitar strings slides. It sounds so natural.
I'm also not a professional. This is just hobby. Others have cars, boats, drones or soccer....I have synths and machines:D
Does the 5080 digital sound output sound ANY different/better than it's analog output???
The digital output is very very clean. That’s a great advantage.
Anyone using software to Edit the JV1010 in Windows 11?
Hi how's it going MIDI Maniac? I recently aquired an sp 808 for dirt cheap. I wanted to update to the emx os, but only have a 100mb zip drive installed. Is it possible to do so? Thanks in advance! appreciate the hard work you put into making these videos.
enterdreamtime hi! Thanks for asking! I’m fine. Finally found the joy again by reducing my setup. I was more busy with technical stuff than with making music and tutorials.
Great you found this SP-808. Yes, it will work with a 100MB Zip drive. No problem at all.
You need to do the update by sending the update file through MIDI. My converted A6 has also only a 100mb drive and works like an EX.
Good luck!
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@@theMIDImaniac That's great to hear! I know sometimes it can get overwhelming with the amount of gear one can aquire. It appears I might be having an issue with the sp. when I put my head phones into the machine I hear like a static feed back loop that plays fairly loudly.
It also plays when i run sound into the input. Also the sound is coming in a lil muffled. Luckily the guy is letting me test it for a few days before I give him the money. It has the op 1 expansion board installed swell.
What do you think could be causing this problem? I was going to try to fix it if not I'm going to give it back to him and search for another online. Again, kind regards and thank you for your help.
Hi! Sorry for the late reply.
Hmmm...perhaps an idea to open it up and to check if the OP is correctly installed. Perhaps a loose cable.
And otherwise detach the OP to check if the static is coming from the OP.
Could be also some loose solders. After 20 years they can come loose a little due to plugging in and out.
It’s hard to check from distance.
Give it a try!
Good luck!
@@theMIDImaniac Thanks for the response! will do my best to figure it out. The machine was pretty much given to me so I'll figure out a way to put it to use. Keep up the good work and have great night.
「あなたのコンテンツはとても感動的です」、
They sound very similar. However, the 5080 has a digital output which
might make some difference in sound quality. I also own both.
Indeed they sound similar. Of course the 5080 is a serious powerhouse with lots of possibilities but it is amazing how the 1010 sounds.
Incredible. 😂
1010 low end? 😳
Only based on the way how the units were launched by Roland. It’s an incredible unit.
The "high-end" 5080 sounds worse than 1010,