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    0:00 The Problem of my AliExpress Products
    1:16 Intro
    2:04 Why is Noise/Ripple Bad?
    3:39 How to Measure Noise Correctly
    4:32 5V UPS Noise Problem
    5:46 Solution 1: Post Regulation
    7:51 Solution 2: Component Improvement
    8:39 Capacitor Replacement
    9:55 Other Component Problems
    10:49 Mini Boost Converter Fix
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Komentáře • 708

  • @Ryuseigan
    @Ryuseigan Před rokem +1014

    Mad props for clearing up the mistake you made in the other video.

    • @greatscottlab
      @greatscottlab  Před rokem +280

      I am always open to admitting mistakes :-)

    • @uncannysnake
      @uncannysnake Před rokem +49

      @@greatscottlab Didnt check it, but probably an edit of the previous video would be quite useful too. Not everyone in the future is going to watch both

    • @user-tj2qj5tm1f
      @user-tj2qj5tm1f Před rokem +1

      Ich habe das gleiche Teil in Verwendung und mich extrem über das Ergebnis gewundert. Ich habe das Netzteil analysiert, da wir Industrie Netzteile suchen, die einen kleinen Formfaktor haben, programmierbar sind und ca 500W bei ca 50V können. Das Netzteil kam in die engere Auswahl. Das Ding ist wirklich gut, da können andere echt einpacken. Das einzige, es hat kein DIN Rail.

    • @stepheneyles2198
      @stepheneyles2198 Před rokem +5

      That was both an honourable and brave move, much appreciated! I was thinking to get one of those PSUs, but decided not to when you mentioned the output noise.

    • @pasterzppp
      @pasterzppp Před rokem +3

      I've got this in my cart at Ali so now i can buy without doubts

  • @evanmayer744
    @evanmayer744 Před 2 měsíci +12

    In my opinion, videos like this are some of the most powerful for all the DIY hobbyists. Like me, most of us have no formal training in electronics, but this video gives us very relevant reasons to try and wrap our heads around complex and somewhat arbitrary concepts. Having a broad understanding of what might cause noise or ripple on a power supply / buck-boost converter is in every DIY hobbyist's best interest. Please make more content like this!

  • @casstelles
    @casstelles Před rokem +428

    The reasons for the component issue may be the lack of knowledge of circuit design, or they just wanted to get it out in a cheap and fast manner. No matter the issues, this video provides a workaround to this issue, and it makes the circuit useful. This the reason that I like videos like this.

    • @iXenox
      @iXenox Před rokem +20

      Maybe they were using whatever came into the factory as well, no need to bother with a design you can't reliably manufacture.

    • @hugegamer5988
      @hugegamer5988 Před rokem +52

      Even simpler. It’s not a decision an engineer would want to make, these are usually management decisions. It goes like:
      Engineer: Here is a stripped down minimum count and cost design like you wanted
      Management: it’s too expensive, cut something!
      Engineer: But it’s already stripped, it’s not going to work properly!
      Management: Here you go, make this cheaper because the last guy wouldn’t
      Unpaid intern: you got it boss!

    • @pneumantic6297
      @pneumantic6297 Před rokem +32

      I doubt it. Something like this is quite fundamental. If the capacitor is 50cents then that is almost a 15% markup and they are competing with other low cost manufacturers. Adding in that cap will just make consumers look at both products, think they are basically the same, and then buy the cheaper alternative anyway.

    • @qazwsx000xswzaq
      @qazwsx000xswzaq Před rokem +5

      I suspect if the manufacturers have even tested their designs before putting them into production.

    • @vueport99
      @vueport99 Před rokem +5

      ​@@qazwsx000xswzaq they know full well.

  • @xXYannuschXx
    @xXYannuschXx Před rokem +315

    It REALLY grinds my gears when a product gets ruined by bean counter measures. "Oh we saved a few cents on this device!" "But its complete crap now?" "Who cares? We get money!"

    • @haydenc2742
      @haydenc2742 Před rokem +18

      That's typical Chinese mentality...

    • @xXYannuschXx
      @xXYannuschXx Před rokem +45

      @@haydenc2742 Not exclusive to chinese stuff.

    • @deserRGB
      @deserRGB Před rokem +38

      This is consumers mentality. People don't care. People want low prices.

    • @Prophes0r
      @Prophes0r Před rokem +24

      "Who cares? We get money!"
      Welcome to Ultra Capitalism...

    • @GenMcGrievous
      @GenMcGrievous Před rokem

      @@Prophes0r Applies to communists as well. Who cares, we all get paid the same amount of money!

  • @OneBiOzZ
    @OneBiOzZ Před rokem +71

    You typically do not put large MLCCs on the output of a power supply because when they fail, they fail with a burn
    so you use small ceramic caps paired with low ESR caps

    • @tingoyeh4903
      @tingoyeh4903 Před 6 měsíci +4

      I am curious about your answer, so I get deep into it, there is an article from TDK, called"Guide to replacing an electrolytic capacitor with a MLCC", it recommends to replace with MLCC due to their low ESR, long life and small package, but one should be careful about their capacitance will change with temparature and voltage applied to them, also some ICs are intended for electrolytic capacitor, so it might cause some unwanted feedback with MLCC.
      Also there is a youtube video discuss about fail of MLCC called "EEVblog #1037 - Solving Ceramic Capacitor Cracking
      ". Large value MLCC can be cracked physically easily, and it might get shorted when that happened, I guess that's why modern hign-end PC motherboard still using the method you said, rather than pure MLCC method.

  • @ramjetross
    @ramjetross Před rokem +33

    I was hoping you would do a video like this. Taking cheap aliexpress or ebay electronics that are ALMOST good enough and then cheaply modifying them to fix or improve their performance. You should make more of these.

    • @technobubba4
      @technobubba4 Před rokem

      YOH - Chinese labor is getting expensive, between their demographic loss and "OUR" re-shoring the supply chain - enjoy while u got it. GOT DAT ??

  • @matthewmaxwell-burton4549
    @matthewmaxwell-burton4549 Před rokem +148

    Ah the classic current loop antenna, that’s why you were picking up all that noise. Any loop will act as a current antenna. And any length of copper, will act as a monopole if adjacent to a ground plane or bipole if connect to a center point. Good luck.

    • @hugegamer5988
      @hugegamer5988 Před rokem +14

      People who liked this also liked working with RF designs, where furrowing your brow rotates you on the smith chart.

    • @TrickyNekro
      @TrickyNekro Před rokem +2

      Though the change he saw was huge and probably this is also telling for the EMC of those little PCBs.

    • @Prophes0r
      @Prophes0r Před rokem +11

      That's why you should always use your devices inside a hermetically sealed bunker surrounded by 10cm copper plate, 1.2m lead plate, and 3m of grounded-steel-reinforced concrete. Everything should be made with pre-nuclear-test materials to reduce self-radiation.
      The bunker should also be carved into the base of a mountain, or built into the sea-bed with at least 200m of water overhead if you want to block those pesky cosmic rays.
      You still need to account for all the Neutrinos that can still easily get through, but luckily those usually don't interact with your electronics if they can get through all your other defenses.

    • @TrickyNekro
      @TrickyNekro Před rokem +3

      @@Prophes0r Just build your swimming pool over your bunker.... ppfff...

    • @mckryall
      @mckryall Před rokem +1

      @@hugegamer5988 nothing like carving your own ground leads to get the ground loop as short as possible

  • @Stealth86651
    @Stealth86651 Před rokem +66

    Man, it's crazy how much you can accomplish pretty cost-effectively if you understand electronics. It's something I'm trying to learn, but it's not easy for me to understand electricity and how everything relates to each other. Thanks for the videos, they're helpful in slowly getting more understanding of things.

    • @boots7859
      @boots7859 Před rokem +8

      This is true for anything, from auto mechanics, plumbers, carpenters, yada yada. Outside of basic volts, amps, Ohm's Law, etc, electronics are going to require a fairly deep amount of study/work before you're going to be able to figure much out not too mention fixing a borked design. I've decided to spend the extra 25% or so for something thats generally been shown to be good vs trying to eke out the cheapest component/parts. If I'm trying to cobble something together, the last thing I want to do is be wondering if some pre-made component is even doing what I bought it too do.

    • @arthurmoore9488
      @arthurmoore9488 Před rokem +7

      Don't worry about some of these things. The higher the frequency the more electronics starts to look like black magic. That's even to people who have degrees in it or similar fields.

    • @nolansprojects2840
      @nolansprojects2840 Před rokem +3

      @@arthurmoore9488lmao, for real. I work in automation and the amount of troubleshooting I have to do with highly sensitive equipment near robots, or other high frequency loads is aggravating. Sometimes the shield isn’t grounded well enough, sometimes the shield is too small, sometimes it’s grounded too well and creates a ground loop that effectively acts like an antenna that picks up RF noise. Part of me loves it, part of me hates it. Haha

    • @hobbesip1
      @hobbesip1 Před rokem

      Man, I've been an electronics hobbyist since the late 1980's, and I'm always surprised at how little I know. Just keep tinkering. And when you get a chance to use an oscilloscope, seize the opportunity

    • @Rob34570
      @Rob34570 Před 11 měsíci

      You answered it yourself- to save 50c

  • @lookwhatidonemade.3306
    @lookwhatidonemade.3306 Před rokem +118

    1. To save money
    2. The only people that are going to care/notice are people like us.
    3. The people like us know how to fix the problem.
    My guess.
    Keep up the good work bud.

    • @Prophes0r
      @Prophes0r Před rokem +13

      Care? No.
      The only people who are likely to KNOW why their thing fails, and also choose not to buy from the same supplier, are us.
      This is simply capitalism at work. It is more profitable to sell more of a thing that is cheap-but-bad than it is to sell something slightly more expensive-but-better, even accounting for the returns. And since you change the company name/registration for every product, you don't care about repeat business.
      It's a cynical take, but this really is built-in to the business plan nowadays.

    • @jonatan_leandoer96
      @jonatan_leandoer96 Před rokem +1

      ​@@Prophes0r no need to bring politics into this

    • @Prophes0r
      @Prophes0r Před rokem +11

      @@jonatan_leandoer96 A. It's economics.
      B. Politics is in everything. It is inescapable, and the desire to escape it is part of the problem.

    • @jdotoz
      @jdotoz Před rokem +1

      Cost is its own spec. If you want higher performance for your use case, be prepared to pay more. If the performance of the cheap part is acceptable, you can pay less for something that satisfies you.
      ETA: And no, it's not "capitalism," it's scarcity. When resources are limited, it doesn't make sense to spend them on performance you don't need. You need Star Trek replicators to escape this, not a replacement political economy.

    • @Prophes0r
      @Prophes0r Před rokem +4

      ​@@jdotoz Managing scarcity is the PRIMARY job of any economic system. It is WHY we have economies.
      (Ultra)Capitalism is a BAD economic system because the way we are using it now is tuned almost exclusively to "make money number go up" instead of ACTUALLY managing resource scarcity and distribution.
      So yes, the problem IS capitalism, because the SYSTEM punishes you for making things well if it costs less to make them worse.
      None of the economic systems we use now can handle short-term products that break prematurely.
      They can't self-regulate when there is too much turbulence.

  • @danriches7328
    @danriches7328 Před rokem +13

    That ringing on the switch node of the inductor can be suppressed with a snubber network and is easily missed, this I know from first hand experience! Also sometimes adding a beefy cap can make things worse, Mach1Designs did an EMC video on the caps and is very helpful in locating noise and killing it.

  • @evertchin
    @evertchin Před rokem +16

    i love people who owned up their mistakes and correct them!

  • @avejst
    @avejst Před rokem +1

    Great walk-through of the process as always
    Thanks for sharing your experience and solutions with all of us 👍 😀

  • @CrispyCircuits
    @CrispyCircuits Před rokem +95

    I never knew to check temperature to check out components in a design to see if good or bad. Only to look for a broken component(s) when fixing. Maybe they stole an incomplete design from someone else? Lazy? Possibly just stupid? 🎉
    I am still learning. I bought an old radio/cassette player and a radio clock alarm that both work to study on. I will use your temperature trick to maybe improve them. Thank you for giving us a great channel with interesting projects.

    • @greatscottlab
      @greatscottlab  Před rokem +27

      Thanks for the feedback :-) And you are welcome 🙂 I love to make this show.

    • @chitlitlah
      @chitlitlah Před rokem +2

      Your devices were probably made in the 90s or earlier, so I wouldn't count on them having the same trashy engineering as modern devices from AliExpress. Good luck with your endeavors though.

    • @hydrocarbon8272
      @hydrocarbon8272 Před rokem +2

      High frequencies tend to cause caps & mosfets to heat, for different reasons, but the solution is pretty much the same: lower the resistance. Low ESR caps have much lower resistance, and 'bigger' mosfets have lower RDSon, which is essentially the resistance that causes most of their heat.
      It's always funny to see a low-tech troubleshooting technique on high frequency IC's. Elegance in it's simplicity.

    • @art58wong
      @art58wong Před rokem +1

      Seconded. The diode temp probe is a precise method of spotting an overheating device. Slower but many times better than a finger touch. I'm impressed by your thoroughness.

  • @joet4348
    @joet4348 Před 8 měsíci +2

    The tip at 9:56 about measuring temperatures to determine if reactive components have appropriate parameters was really helpful. That point alone made this video valuable.

  • @pejvaaksalimi2311
    @pejvaaksalimi2311 Před rokem +32

    You are the example of someone who not only passes his exams but also completely understands what he has studied. Good work 👏👏👏

  • @olafmarzocchi6194
    @olafmarzocchi6194 Před rokem +1

    This was a very interesting and also useful video!
    I found especially interesting the bandwidth limit on the oscilloscope. Can you make a video to explain why it's limited during official measurements, the implications about having strong peaks beyond that bandwidth limit and how to absorb them if so desired (I know this part: ferrites rings/beads around the wire).
    Thanks!

  • @HerbaMachina
    @HerbaMachina Před rokem +26

    9:47 your forgetting that at the volume they're producing these at the increase in BOM cost is even less at under 0.19 EUR / piece on orders of 1000. Probably also a slight price decrease at 10k and 25k as well. Therefore at volume this is likely no more than 0.15 - 0.17 EUR in parts, and the lower quality parts they're using probably cost 0.08-0.11 EUR, so we're talking about them pinching literal pennies to not have a better product.

    • @greatscottlab
      @greatscottlab  Před rokem +13

      True :-) That would make this story even sadder though.

    • @HerbaMachina
      @HerbaMachina Před rokem +7

      @@greatscottlab yeah unfortunately so. Though I know BigClive in his teardowns of electronics like this from china on aliexpress or otherwise mentions that they tend to have resistors and capacitors overdriven for their intended purpose for whatever reason.

    • @pappaflammyboi5799
      @pappaflammyboi5799 Před rokem +2

      Like literally around 0.08€ savings. That's really sad. Someone should contact the manufacturer and ask them to reconsider their decision.

    • @jonasstahl9826
      @jonasstahl9826 Před rokem +2

      ​@@pappaflammyboi5799 Dont forget about what the product itself cost spending 0,08€ on a 1€ board is a huge increase in price.
      For most stuff you dont need that clean power, so it is good practice to not build them in.

    • @pappaflammyboi5799
      @pappaflammyboi5799 Před rokem

      @@jonasstahl9826 8% is a huge increase in price? Ya, not really.

  • @cateyenebula
    @cateyenebula Před rokem +1

    Awesome! Ordered the power supply. Thank you so much for testing 👌

  • @astronautrajan
    @astronautrajan Před rokem +1

    Thank you Scott I have that exact same boost converter now I have to just add that capacitor in parallel to my output terminal. Love your videos 😍😍

  • @jameslaine2472
    @jameslaine2472 Před rokem +1

    You have quite an assortment of nice tools, that and the knowledge to use them properly makes all the difference

  • @electronicswithemrys
    @electronicswithemrys Před rokem +5

    Great video! It's amazing to me how often a single capacitor can fix big issues in electronics 😁

  • @Dante_Rubens
    @Dante_Rubens Před 9 měsíci +1

    @GreatScott!
    In the video (11:11)
    you say "2.2uF", the link goes to a 22uF capa... What is right? Or do i just not understand? Thank you!

  • @KF-bj3ce
    @KF-bj3ce Před 4 měsíci

    Very clearly presented information, even I have understood this with my limited knowledge. Love electronic and what can be done with it. Thanks so much.

  • @marcfruchtman9473
    @marcfruchtman9473 Před rokem

    Thank you for this video, especially the info on how to check for noise on the DC supply using an oscilloscope.

  • @WillieStubbs
    @WillieStubbs Před 4 měsíci +1

    I love that hot plate for component removal at the end.

  • @didiersee
    @didiersee Před rokem

    Congratulations from Belgium and thank you for sharing.

  • @anders4u222
    @anders4u222 Před rokem +35

    The electronic load might also introduce some noise, would be better to measure with a pure resistive load.

    • @Rich-on6fe
      @Rich-on6fe Před rokem +1

      Yes this. Might be noisy as hell.

    • @hugegamer5988
      @hugegamer5988 Před rokem +3

      I used a pile of old 1ohm 50W resistors to make a grid on an aluminum plate. You can jumper quite a few different loads and can dissipate lots of heat.

    • @aliveandwellinisrael2507
      @aliveandwellinisrael2507 Před rokem +2

      How long until the video where he adds a component to the electronic load?

  • @makekingsponcacity3148
    @makekingsponcacity3148 Před 8 měsíci

    Quality Stuff! Thank you!

  • @lohikarhu734
    @lohikarhu734 Před rokem +2

    BTW, good on ya, for showing the error in probing technique! It is *such* a common issue that it's kind of like "is the power plugged in" question for oscilloscope AEs !

  • @reoproedros
    @reoproedros Před rokem +37

    i liked how you took the images of the components from the circuit and put them in a sketch

  • @Bato2000
    @Bato2000 Před 8 měsíci

    Thank you very much for the video. How could you make the UPS not charge the battery at such a high voltage? For example, charge it only at 4.1v to increase battery life. Thank you so much

  • @tinkeringengr
    @tinkeringengr Před rokem

    Great video -- your educational content is phenomenal!

  • @jonatanboy
    @jonatanboy Před rokem

    I was struggling so hard to find the right keywords to google this exact problem… THANK YOU❤

  • @MAGA_Patriot2024
    @MAGA_Patriot2024 Před rokem +11

    My guess for why they didn't go the slightly more expensive route is sourcing. This is all guesswork mind you, but if they produce in house, it's only costing them pennies per. One thing I've noticed about Ali is many vendors offer the same product at different prices, so that would explain why they want to keep the price low...sort of a lowest bidder thing. Lastly, the 50 cent price you quoted is the retail price, so it would slightly increase their profit margin as they'd be paying wholesale. 😊

    • @boots7859
      @boots7859 Před rokem +3

      For a lot of stuff on Ali/AE, there are one or two companies making gajillions of these as OEM-Contract. Some resellers want different color silkscreen, some spec differrent values for some components to get a lower BOM, etc. Chinese business looks at cost cutting as the primary goal bar none. Doesn't matter if it impact the specs of these design, unless/until they are called on it and IF they can be forced to pay some sort of remuneration. It is always worth it to keep value engineering a design/product which leads to higher profit, until/unless they are forced to remunerate. There is not a lot of care/f*cks given for 'Reputation' as you see from Japanese, EU, Noram companies.
      Talk to some engineers from China, and they will all admit it. They don't like seeing their work cut down to out of spec anymore than anyone else.

  • @ivekuukkeli2156
    @ivekuukkeli2156 Před rokem +4

    The side ground pin in the oscilloscope probe is a very nice solution. A spring loaded measuring pin would still improve measuring a shivering hand (a so called test pin "needle" for production beds).

  • @gunspadow276108
    @gunspadow276108 Před rokem +1

    Respect for owning up to your mistake and educating others! Thank you!

  • @jasonpatterson8091
    @jasonpatterson8091 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Honestly, if it's a $0.50 component, that's why they didn't include it. They're shaving pennies off of the price of these things and producing them in huge numbers with tiny profits to stay in business. A device that is 90% effective is good enough from that viewpoint.

  • @flyback_driver
    @flyback_driver Před rokem +1

    They might just do that now. We are constantly reinventing the wheel and working towards making something as efficient as possible. Thanks for the videos you put out man it has significantly added to my progression of circuit design.

  • @PeetHobby
    @PeetHobby Před rokem +9

    Great video again! 👍
    When dealing with digital circuits, I rarely find myself having to deal with noise problems. Noise only becomes a factor when I'm working with analogue circuits. I often use a linear voltage regulator in combination with a low pass filter(LC or RC with low-value resistor) and of course decent decoupling for every chip. And it rarely stops there, one must consider whether circuit isolation is necessary to prevent current loops, as well as determine if guard traces should be implemented(for example an opamp circuit with high impedance load), etc.

  • @koushiks_energy
    @koushiks_energy Před rokem

    Thanks Jeremy❤🎉❤
    Need a video on how to design a LPF for a switching converter.

  • @pault6533
    @pault6533 Před rokem +5

    For the UPS I simply replaced the 2x220 uF capacitors with a 22 uF tantalum low ESR and a 470uF electrolytic as recommended by the chip data sheet. That cleaned up the noise. I used 1x probe and attenuation.

    • @TruthLoversKoSALAM-fg8dh
      @TruthLoversKoSALAM-fg8dh Před 11 měsíci

      Can i use 2x 4700uF 16v on the output instead? I only have these at hand or the 10v 1000uF ones. 😅

  • @ginkyroginkyro4088
    @ginkyroginkyro4088 Před rokem +12

    I think it is because of cost.
    Like the MT3608 boost converter, here in Indonesia it listed around 5200 to 6500 IDR (0.32€ to 0.37€). By adding the better ceramic capacitor priced 0.5€, imagine how much it affecting the price.
    For me, the initial design is more than enough, reminding the price is dirt cheap. Unless for specific reason I need to modify, like the one you tell about creating negative voltage, I'm set my expectation according to the price I paid 😅

    • @wpyoga
      @wpyoga Před 11 měsíci +3

      Well, a 20% 22uF MLCC costs 500 IDR (0.03 EUR) on Indonesia's Tokoijo, and the manufacturer would have been able to source it for cheaper. So it's not an excuse.

  • @lmbruguera
    @lmbruguera Před rokem

    Nice, I have a project where I need this ups, thanks a lot, I wasn't looking for this at this exact moment but it just what I needed

  • @-MrDontCare-
    @-MrDontCare- Před rokem +1

    I ordered the parts from Mouser, so now the two UPS devices going to get the upgrade. I even have 5 of those boost converters to that I will do the same with.
    Thanks for this great fix video. Great stuff as always. Now I just need to find a cheap-ass oscilloscope, so I can test other electronics I have lying around.

  • @thedarksage328
    @thedarksage328 Před rokem

    Wow! Great job, and a very useful and informative video.

  • @ChristieNel
    @ChristieNel Před rokem +4

    That's a wonderful example of what a difference good capacitors make. I'm amazed that the short probe ground wire makes such a difference. Have you tried measuring at 20MHz with the ground wire?

    • @oliverer3
      @oliverer3 Před 5 měsíci +1

      It might be partially because it was so close to the unshielded switching inductor.

  • @olgierd2001
    @olgierd2001 Před rokem +9

    I always see keysight sponsoring many electronics chanbels but it would be nice if you could make a video how it looks inside one of their mesuring devices (maybe you could get a broken one or something from keysight from their rma or something like that )

  • @HardCoil
    @HardCoil Před 11 měsíci

    Thanks, I use those and don't have the knowledge or time to dive into this like you do. That was extremely helpful, since the fix doesn't require more than basic skills :)

  • @seasn5553
    @seasn5553 Před rokem

    This is actually such good content. I love learning this on my own even though i’m a CS student

  • @VorpalForceField
    @VorpalForceField Před rokem

    Excellent content as always,, Thank You for sharing .. Cheers :)

  • @GMCLabs
    @GMCLabs Před 8 měsíci +1

    One of the 1st things our teachers told us at LTI is the difference between an expensive VCR and a cheap VCR is a 5 cent component. Like they will use a 1/4 watt resistor to dissipate a 1/4 watt of power rather than using a half watt resistor. Everything today is built down to a price, its the race to the bottom which got us lots of cheap junk.

  • @MCsCreations
    @MCsCreations Před rokem

    Fascinating stuff! Thanks for all the tips, dude! 😃
    Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

  • @fixnreview
    @fixnreview Před rokem

    Thank u Sir for sharing! Salute!

  • @ucmRich
    @ucmRich Před 8 měsíci +1

    8:14 i love how you put the images of components next to the schematic components -- for those of us trying to take self learning electronics seriously, it massively helps our brains put to mind the components as if they were legos (but the various values of each 'lego' is like the lego color). Next after looking at this for a while as a reference during test building on our own, the schematic components begin to fit like a catalog in our brains before we even realize it. I hope i not sounding too nuts but this really works for my brain very exceleratredly, ty for this idea and i hope you and others do that much more often -- even if just once before you do the red pen work on the circuit would be a big help ^_^ p.s. i have loved your work for last many years, ty for keep doing your channel ! 😀

  • @CooLDEaFY4204Me
    @CooLDEaFY4204Me Před rokem

    Great Scott!! You guys are so smart! I am amazin...

  • @ashkansheikhi4420
    @ashkansheikhi4420 Před rokem

    thanks for all elctronic helping video and contents,good luck

  • @DirtyPlumbus
    @DirtyPlumbus Před rokem +6

    Great Scott makes a mistake: false noise signals
    I make a mistake: *MAGIC SMOKE ESCAPES*
    😂

  • @romainfontaine2190
    @romainfontaine2190 Před rokem +5

    To reduce heat dissipation of lineal regulators consider using an LDO that has only 0.1 to 0.5V drop, and use a lower input voltage :)

  • @brucehanson4147
    @brucehanson4147 Před rokem

    Was just getting ready to send some Gerber files to the PCB place, now I have to make a few capacitor changes first. AAAARGH!...more work but I'm thankful for the knowledge!
    I get to Deutschland again I owe you a bier!...Prost my friend!

  • @fusca14tube
    @fusca14tube Před rokem

    Great, Scott! Amazing analysis!!! Thanks!

  • @j1952d
    @j1952d Před 9 měsíci

    Do you have another link for the 5V UPS, please? The one you supplied seems to be dead!

  • @stepheneyles2198
    @stepheneyles2198 Před rokem +1

    'If your PCB design is garbage' - had me in stitches, hope the sellers of that circuit see this video and take note!

  • @darkwood47
    @darkwood47 Před 11 měsíci

    Hi, GreatScott what's the device with the pcu fan red, can we test battery capacity with? Thx for your answer !!

  • @mikeboehk2307
    @mikeboehk2307 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I have a bunch of those same buck converters that I'd like to fix, but the links provided are for a 22uf and 1uf capacitor, but the video mentions a 2.2 uf on the output? So which one is correct to fix the final small buck converter? The 22uf link or the 2.2uf mentioned in the video?
    Thanks in advance for your time to answer.

  • @HashanGayasri
    @HashanGayasri Před rokem

    I was confused when you mentioned the very high pp noise value in the prev video cz I have this power supply and it works according to specs and the manufacturer is very keen on improving their products.
    I also assumed noise pickup. Assumed adding a very small resistive load would fix it.
    Thanks for revisiting the test!

  • @ohaya1
    @ohaya1 Před rokem

    I learned a lot in this video, thank you!

  • @sacalul4297
    @sacalul4297 Před 3 měsíci

    Hi, would you replace the same capacitors for the 12v UPS board?

  • @pancheyperrys
    @pancheyperrys Před rokem

    Hi, thanks for the video, just want to ask: what is the size of the booster capacitor that you use? the 1206 or the 1210?, thanks

  • @xuzm
    @xuzm Před 11 měsíci

    Is there any video or explanation how you can cool something down by adding more capacitors

  • @mysraalokbe817
    @mysraalokbe817 Před rokem

    Hi Scott, I was wondering if you could do a video to show how to connect a VFD with a single phase capacitor start motor. Thank you

  • @WorkinDuck
    @WorkinDuck Před rokem

    About the UPS:
    Is it possible, that there are no MLCCs at the output? The elkos have a too high esr to filter the output voltage. It could be worth a try, if there is a suitable footprint close

  • @3rutu5
    @3rutu5 Před 9 měsíci

    just ordered a few of those ceramic caps, i do like using those nifty things. Do you reckon it would work on a custom PCB that is based on the MT3606?

  • @slazinger
    @slazinger Před rokem +1

    I always try not to use the GND spring, it is a bit of a pain. But yeah it makes a big difference for noise and "high" frequency signals

  • @fillempie1501
    @fillempie1501 Před rokem +1

    Hi, which (de)solderplate you use at the end of your video?

  • @johboh
    @johboh Před rokem

    Great video! What is the name/brand of hotplate you are using (as seen at the end of the video)?

  • @Drxxx
    @Drxxx Před rokem

    amazing, as always 😍😍

  • @mohammad.htarokh2891
    @mohammad.htarokh2891 Před 8 měsíci

    You can also solve the issue with low esr electrolytic capacitors

  • @mxracingunlimitedltd7784

    What's the names of the type's of test probe's used first at @2:33, the one in the background it pushes open and hooks against the wire lead and then closes to make a sure it cant short on anything..
    And then again a different style tester probe with the positive in the center and then a ground lead coming down from the side, @4:34 ?
    Thanks!

  • @user-tz3fd8hm4q
    @user-tz3fd8hm4q Před 5 měsíci

    I bought some of the small MT3608 boost converters
    and i also measured some pretty bad noise at higher output currents. Adding a 1,5uF ceramic capacitor and the problem is fixed. The ceramic caps I used literally cost 6 cents per piece

  • @fish-irl
    @fish-irl Před měsícem

    Actually ended up using one of the smaller ones for an amp, and had added a larger capacitor to the output to support the bass. good to know it's probably helping with noise as well.

  • @qnedim3200
    @qnedim3200 Před rokem

    Can you make a video about the D3806 voltage regulator? Is improvement needed?

  • @grzesiektg
    @grzesiektg Před rokem

    I gave you a sub. probably wont notice, but it's so eye opening. Your entire channel.

  • @ElectricNed
    @ElectricNed Před rokem

    Oh interesting - I have some AliExpress modules with caps that get hot. USB-C power modules I use in power banks. Is it a pretty safe upgrade to just replace the electrolytic output filter caps with multilayer ceramic caps with the same uF value? Is there value or risk in going with more uF?

  • @Luke-san
    @Luke-san Před rokem

    There is a reason why I always use a high quality 100nF capacitors over Voltage rails and most of the times in parallel over bigger caps. You can clearly see a lot of garbage, aka noise, when not doing so. For reducing RF that these switched things can cause also use ferrit to stop interference. Some of these Chinese pcb's are really well designed and then you order another one and measurements are different. Bad capacitors, change in pcb layout to make it cheaper. A bit of a lottery.
    That last pcb, released some smoke on those. They will go into self destruct like you said, but I still like them a lot.

  • @n3ttx580
    @n3ttx580 Před rokem +1

    Oftentimes, these boards are based around one key component, i.e. the regulator IC. If you were to reverse engineer the board and compare the resulting schematics to the IC's reference design, you'll find probably little to no differences. And very often, the designers doesn't really pay much attention to the textual parts of the datasheet that explains the values and different usage cases, or just use one calculation for all their product runs (i.e. the same capacitors for fixed 3.3V, 5V, 12V and variable variants of the board). Also, the reason they won't add it is cost and availability. They already most likely have tens of thousands of cheap small mlcc caps around, adding one to the output won't change the BOM cost by much, but also doesn't have to affect the output in the desirable way, or even hurt it.
    Thank you for showing us this

  • @RayRaytheGrape
    @RayRaytheGrape Před rokem +19

    I actually got the UPS from the last finding hidden gems video and it works really well

    • @greatscottlab
      @greatscottlab  Před rokem +11

      Glad to hear it :-)

    • @oyvindrepvik
      @oyvindrepvik Před rokem +6

      @@greatscottlab I did too. Can the same value caps be used when the output is 12V?

    • @deserRGB
      @deserRGB Před rokem +1

      I also want to know. I bought 2 of each, 5V, 9V and 12V, for alarm/cameras and just in case. One seller has it for 4$ each and there was also 1$ from 5$ coupon for playing (and losing) in Go go match game, but this promo ended. So they were really cheap.

    • @RayRaytheGrape
      @RayRaytheGrape Před rokem

      @@oyvindrepvik I think so

  • @fatiheneskuru4332
    @fatiheneskuru4332 Před rokem

    Well mt3608 module comes with 10uF MLCC on the output already, just wondering how does 2.2uf additional cap could make such difference in noise reduction ?

  • @chrismofer
    @chrismofer Před rokem

    this explains issues i ws having using one of these cheap dc to dc converters as the supply for a little analog computer i was building. it never integrated right and clearly didn't have a stable input.

  • @1234567890CAB
    @1234567890CAB Před rokem

    When switching to the MLCCs, why the smaller capacitance? Is it a limitation of what's available or do you not need as much capacitance when the other properties are better?

  • @ashwin372
    @ashwin372 Před rokem

    hi,
    what was the connector used to measure noise ? i has the same issue and now i realis that it might be that i am measuring it wrong

  • @GunXter
    @GunXter Před 11 měsíci +1

    You have my respect that you publicly admit a mistake👍 true engener

  • @shallowfrost
    @shallowfrost Před 11 měsíci

    Mostly anything where you don't want noise (not audio/frequently changing output) you usually just have to add a capacitor to level the voltage

  • @DolezalPetr
    @DolezalPetr Před rokem

    this helped me, thanks

  • @jaedenspider877
    @jaedenspider877 Před 11 měsíci +2

    A lot of noise I deal with in electronics is 60 hertz noise because all the power supplies use a iron core transformer instead of a ferrite core transformer and the reason why that makes a difference is because all iron core transformers run at 50 or 60 hertz well ferrite transformers run at higher frequencies. And 60 hertz noise is very noticeable if you're using inductors and highly sensitive electronics

  • @djcalle1975
    @djcalle1975 Před rokem

    amazing content. thanks!

  • @moeburn
    @moeburn Před 8 měsíci

    Yeah I've been trying to measure a gas sensor, and I've found that every USB power supply I plug my NodeMCU board into produces a different result on the gas sensor. An Apple iPad charger makes the analog measurement noisy. A Samsung charger makes the measurement get cut in half. It really makes a huge difference in my circuit.

  • @RahulSharma-ue6sg
    @RahulSharma-ue6sg Před 11 měsíci

    Hi,
    Can anyone tell me which value of capacitor we need to use for which application?
    Thanks

  • @ampedandvolted
    @ampedandvolted Před 7 měsíci

    I would imagine the capacitor on the MT3608 boost converter is not included as it would reduce efficiency slightly and maybe in most cases isn't functionally needed? I could be wrong.

  • @misc_channel
    @misc_channel Před rokem

    I too have burned a few MT3608's...they do seem to be unreliable.
    At 11:09 you say add a 2.2 microfarad ceramic capacitor but the links in the description are for different ones so I am unsure which is correct.

  • @TheAdventureLog
    @TheAdventureLog Před rokem +3

    @GreatScott! In your video you say you used a 2.2 uF capacitor but in the description you linked a 22 uF capacitor.
    Which one is correct?