The Pros and Cons of Steel House Frames
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- If you are considering whether to use steel or timber frames in your next home, you've probably heard many conflicting opinions on the matter. We discuss the benefits of steel vs timber frames.
In this video we look at the benefits and disadvantages of using steel frames in your home. We also dispel some of the myths that seem to be circulating about steel house frames.
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We have termite problems in parts of the San Joaquin Valley in California, so this is good information to be aware of.
I know it's your job to be biased and sell the steel frames, but a little extra effort added to the cons list would go a long way. Not myths, but things people should be aware of. For example: Steel is much more conductive than wood, so steel studs are far better thermal bridges than timber studs. Therefore, a continuous layer of exterior insulation on top of the sheating (foam, mineral wool, or wood fiber boards) is preferrable. This also helps to prevent condensation from developing within the walls as the steel transitions from a hot to cold environment.
Yeah that and steel framed houses are significantly harder to modify or change the layout of. Also along the lines of being conductive Steele can strip improperly ran wires which wood can’t and can cause shorts in the wall.
@@Pedro-0839 yeah it is and it’s the same people who half ass other construction projects to save time, money or they just don’t care. That’s why you should always check companies before you use them look at reviews and if you can contact previous customers of them, it’s also why the cheapest contractor isn’t always best.
Thanks. Wood frames need updated designs, i.e. staggered and decoupled exterior to interior studs, to be less thermally conductive. Even that is a measurable sound and thermal bridge.
Can you do pros and cons of having super loud music laid over a narrators voice
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@Finn Aden I wouldn't give a shit but you same people keep spamming your crap everywhere.
It’s not loud
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I've been watching Brittans Escape to the country and have been concerned about termites. They feature SO MANY houses with cracked wooden Beams and thatched roofs. I guess there are no termite issues in England. Do you deliver homes to the United States?
They need to start selling this in California especially with all the wildfires and earthquakes. I would use Rockwool and Hardie Boarding siding.
I want a steel house. Just purchased a older house made of wood frame, a nightmare. So many water damage issues to fix, so hard to remove 2 columns from the middle of the kitchen, such stupid design when it was framed.
i dont get why you american build you home out of wood frame they rot after 20 years why dont you guys build them out of bricks steel rebar and concrete they pretty much last your whole life
I live in a 90 year old wood frame house in a climate that gets plenty of rain and there isn't any significant issues with water damage. This typically happens on wood homes that aren't weatherproofed properly.
@@patthonsirilim5739 In the south, AZ AL TX and NM we use steel
@@patthonsirilim5739 I don't think using the wood is the issue but that they're just built cheaply and poorly. From the onset of construction just designed to not last and construction methods are haphazard and the results are questionable. Regardless, I'd like to see more cement and steel use in houses here.
@@patthonsirilim5739 Not defending it, but the reason is because it's cheap and America has a lot of forests.
Just a question. How about hanging wall cabinets. Wall mounted tv’s ect. Can screws be directly driven in to steel studs like in wood studs? Thanks
Yes, but usually you would want to add some wood blocking to give it some more grab. Butterfly bolts are usually rated to 75-150lbs I think also, and those just go on the sheetrock.
"Pros and Cons of Steel House Frames" by Complete Steel Frames.
This is surely not biased lol
I missed the con's, and you restate them? :)
What about the rust if the zinc coating fails in case of moisture? Also, I have concerns about thermal bridges if it's not properly covered. My other option is a massive house (concrete and bricks), but it will take a lot more time for building.
What about hanging stuff on the walls, like a TV frame or the like. Can you drill into steel studs without compromising it?
Yes , nothing will happen to the stud, steel frame has to be 18 gauge stud to build your home, but steel frame is 3 times more expensive then wood, at least in America.
@@BondJFK when their cost comes down to as low as wood. wasteful spending hurts just as bad as a poor investment on a poorly built home
@@mein214 i think now they're probably pretty close in price, no?
@@leeknivek they are pretty comparable yeah it’s sorta location dependent too
If you want to knock down an interior steel wall ( to open up two rooms into one) can this be done?
It's just the same as with timber. You may need a supporting beam if the wall was a loadbearing one.
@celthelen The cool thing about removing a steel wall is that you actually disassemble it as opposed to knocking it down. I feel like most applications of steel in homes are in conjunction with wood. They will do the floor joists in steel and everything else in wood, Steel studs are really great for high ceilings though because they can be made to order
how about rusting?
The steel roof I have on my storage shed does not make any more noise than my composition roof. Living in an earthquake zone this would be a good material to use.
If you want earthquake proof, you need some part to flex and not collapse with the waves of the quake. The Japanese learned this a long time ago. Unfortunately their answer to this problem, at the time, wasn't fireproof.
Any feedback on how these frames perform in a tropical climate ?
nutibio corrosion?
Would like to know this as well
@ they would do well if they are zinc coated.
@@rogersmith1408 also there are all types of paints for each climate. Just think about the paint used to coat ships to handle the highly corrosive sea water. There are solutions regarding rust
I have built steel homes in Florida on the water for over 35 years. No rust
What about installation ? Do they get really cold in the winter and really hot in the Summer?
You need to have insulation and its no different to timber frame, it will be governed by the energy rating. So I would say its not the point of difference.
@@thepathanforce5646 I dont think so.
Conduction is more of an issue with steel than timber.
But to what degree is my question.
Is putting more insulation down enough?
@@coolbeans6148 yeah I know thermal conductivity of steel is higher but that's where energy assessor will come into action.
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Steel if far more superior wood is never strait I dont understand why we keep using wood
Wood grows on trees? Lol, but I am looking at building a steel home in the future.
Wood is biodegradable and is cheaper.
@@johnwayne2103 I would prefer my house not be biodegradable, personally
@@johnwayne2103 biodegradable is bad for something that needs to last. galvanized steel stainless steel, aluminium and copper don't even have to be melted down, since they're protected from rust, they can be used and reused for hundreds of years without ever melting them down.
@@mattbanks3517 Use marine grade structural stainless steels containing rare earths to ensure the alloys are dissolving properly and perfectly and are stabilized once they are created and formed into the finished product. It should also be weldable and hot workable without causing any kind of deleterious effects on the stainless steel alloys. Cold War era stainless steel alloys for military use are common and are still waiting to be released for the civilian engineering sector and still waiting up to this time. Imagine that your building is still as good as new after 10,000 years and is good for an another 10,000 years. Believe me it can and was achieved quietely after they took samples of the Iron Pillar of New Delhi which is supposed to 1,500 years old but advance age dating technologies indicated it is beyond 20,000 years old.
My metricon built house is a steel frame and is very creaky/noisy, especially in windy weather. Also, they installed a termite barrier which needs to be inspected annually (at a cost of $180 each time) in order to "maintain the warranty".
is your house exterior finishing done with a EIFS system like in europe?
steel vs large concrete blocks?
What about Earthquakes???
Can you ship overseas?
hmm, any time someone says "if our product fucks up your house, we will repair it, if there is a catestrophic failure, we will replace the house and it's contents" is technically a win
My personal concern is noise. Metal expands and contracts because of temperature changes a lot, and metal-metal joints will have to deal with it. If roof is creaking, why should frame not do this? Of course there is an insulation, but it only softens the effect
Wood does the same.
@@johnmark6628 But metal on metal produces more sound than wood on wood, no? :/
@@aiskrym7647 Correct. But as long as you have everything done right you shouldn't be hearing sounds on either one.
Do you build in the US
What about rust? Was waiting for the explanation on rust in the cyclone segment..... I have my doubts on seaside residences.....
It won't because it is situated with aluminum coatings.
Yeah... he slipped by that one pretty quickly. If you cut or drill the steel you set up a potential rust spot. regardless how the rest is treated...!
Did you guys not watch the whole thing? It’s in the myth section
@@Adamoo8 Yes I did. And yes it is. And, as I said: "...he slipped by that one pretty quickly"... lol
@@harryinhuahin1272 agree plus the way the cut the ends exposed the ends to rust and I’m sure it will spread
Yeh and what about thermal bridging?
Do steel frame homes rust?
watch this if you plan to live in australia
Watch this even if you plan to live in the U.S. Don't build your house out of termite food!
@@jayecurry1369 Oh yeah!? Tell me where to buy steel frame in the USA.
@@balloney2175Try Lowe's, Menard's, and Home Depot I bet. There are also companies around that will build you a house, if you just look around. Try asking an architect for recommendations.
"Who do we get to do the pros and cons ad?"... "I know! let's make that knicker sniffer from marketing do it."
What about when hanging pictures on walls????
You can use self drilling screws or drywall anchors.
What about steel frame homes near seawater?
You can apply anti corrosion coatings. Or go with stainless steel. Or even better, both!
@@TheNinjaOfThe906 thanks mate!
I'm here because I just found out that I have some termite issues...
There are creams and ointments that can help with that.
In cold climates, do steel frames conduct cold ?
Yes; what I've heard is that there should be some exterior insulation to deal with this.
Well conduction is an issue, but "cold" isn't conducted.
What's heavier; a kilogram of steel, or a kilogram of feathers?
@@spongebob4 Wrong, steel is heavier than feathers.
@@spongebob4 But it's not fair if there's less steel
Lmfao its the same argument with muscle 1 kilo of steel=1kilo of feathers its only the volume thats different
Same thing
my home is 23yrs old steel frame and theres no cracks in gyprock anywhere
is steel frame house have danger with lighting?
it is no any danger with ighting.
I personally am concerned with rodents chewing wire which may cause electrical conduction into metal frame
2:10 Cue the "jet fuel can't melt steel beams" comments
911 was a inside job!
Haha yeah it might not melt steel but it will soften steel reducing its strength even it isn’t at the liquification temperatures
@radaraacf _ Yes, you are correct and after softening up the steel the whole building will come down as if its being demolished together with the steel not weekend by fire. That is the inescapable fate of steel buildings these days.
@@radaraacf True, that why we use a torch to heat steel up a little and it's so easy. Yes, if the building was build right it would collapse inward as thats where it's braced to.
Actually it made to disappear.
Insulation in a steel roof can be difficult.
Not really. Foam spray and tape insulation made for steel framing
We use icenyne spray foam insulation in our builds. Not hard at all.
what about a lightning?
Most homes have a lightning rod to ground it
steel is good for lighting transfer to the ground. lighting will catch a wood house on fire.
How is tornadoes???
"Tornadoes fine... How is you?
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Working in IT departments for over a decade, steel frame walls block more wifi amplitude than wet walls (bathrooms) when heat mapping WI-FI coverage. i.e. your wifi will suck in steel without repeaters or multiple access points.
Google uses steel framing in their London HQ.
i read that steel frames conduct heat very well, so it will cost more for heating and cooling. what do you say to that? you should perhaps make a video to address that, because people are now very keen to a energy efficient house.
even timber "conducts" to some extent. today's standard for insulating is usually a thermal break outside of the stud wall. foam boards of some type.
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Iv'e been in a lot of Steel Frame 5 bedroom homes and some apartment blocks in Ireland. It's a damp climate.
Mildew lines on the inside of external walls which shows exactly where your steel stud work is. Or the internal corners of the 4 outer corners of the house which is worse as there is heavier steel at those points so they get much colder therefore blacker.
It may be a problem with bad insulating but all these homes were built to spec.
Mildew = Fungus = Spores which are very bad for lungs especially in modern well insulated homes.
As for the internal walls, it's worth going over all the plaster boarded walls and give them a firm bang with your fist. You'll probably get a metally vibration, not quite a clang here and there. Very annoying though. Don't allow that.
Fixing bathroom ware, kitchen cupboards, TV brackets, picture hooks etc. to walls can be difficult, especially if you hit the heavier guage parts ot the steel frame.
Every steel frame that Iv'e been in has terrible mobile phone connection. It's not just me. The homeowners say the same regardless of the network provider.
actually Australia's insulation standards are really bad compred to the rest of the world
"the rest of the world"? It's called climate zones. Here where I am in Australia our "winter" lasts 2 months (0c early mornings, 24c at lunch time), the hottest it gets in summer is about 35c for again about 2 months. We double glaze to keep the heat out.
Please do tell me since when timber cant be recycled? Steel also performs awfully in a fire, hence fire protection.
Timber can be sometimes repurposed or composted, but not recyclable. Steel can be 100% recycled without any loss of material or material integrity.
Good thing wood is real chipper in a fire
How will you recycle would to structurally hold up a house? Wood is better in fire?
In my area metal is cheaper then wood
generally in housing field, metal always is cheaper than wood
@@terencehbtc Have also found wood to be strong in most cases. Metal has it's place however. Depends on what you need.
@@terencehbtc wood is cheaper for me
@@mattbanks3517 that's great. Both of them are good options for house building.
Sauf qu'avec la hausse du prix des métaux "fer, alu, zinc" tout compte fait, je construis avec du pin (pas du pain) des Landes
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another con is rust, easy to fix but still a pain in the ass
What about rust? And the bolts and rivers screw that rust to? I know cos I know someone who build this.
If they built it without stainless or otherwise non-corrosive fasteners, they did it wrong. The rust-prone areas would not be at risk for about a century, if not longer.
@@jesseschumacher4080 yup some screws were rusting I saw with own eyes most walls needs to be cut down slight adjustment with angle grinder. And yes I see it rust on the walls itself
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One con....I'm sure theirs more then this.
I wonder how steel does if placed right next to the ocean.
The ocean is ruthless against metal....all metal despite coating.
Structural grade stainless steel
what about rust?
I saw a metal frame house with water damage so it all depends on how bad the water was.
waa tao steel studs are galvanized so do not rust.
DId you even watch the video?
Don't expose it to the elements?
sir, your information regarding steel not shrinking or expanding, is wrong!
Steel does shrink and expands with temperature variations, and this may lead to failure of other components if not properly protected through isolation or other techniques.
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Franco
Seems kind of pointless to use steel in the same fashion as stick frame houses, need something more innovative, its kind of like a Ferrari designer forced to copy the construction design of old wooden freight train cars...you need somebody stamping out large pre made walls or even roof panels, 10x10, x20, x30 etc pre painted on outside and simply fitted together on site, kind of like how sea containers are made, but preinsulated, and maybe just with minimal columns and beams for large spans if applicable, think giant minivan without the drivetrain.
There is no way steel is more environmentally friendlier than timber. It takes a lot of energy to make steel. Forests are planted specially to make timber
The main problem with steel homes is that planes crashing into them and causing fire. After that they will collapse like they are demolished by explosives.
Name a building that wouldn’t collapse after a plane ran into it going over 500 mph
@@sweetbriarhuslin7371 _ World Trade Center 1 & 2. They did not collapse EVEN AFTER hit by the planes allegedly moving 500 mph at almost sea level. The collapse was due to the fire after the hits weakening the structure according to the popular claim. But NIST never explained how those buildings collapsed due to the impact from the planes. As they admitted their explanation is only up to the INITIATION of the GLOBAL COLLAPSE. Meaning that when the collapse started the global collapse was inevitable according to NIST. AND THIS IS A LIE.
Langolier steel bends when heated to a certain point.
@@sweetbriarhuslin7371 _ "steel bends when heated to a certain point."
And unheated, undamaged steel does not buckle as if it does not have any resistance when a force applied to it.
@@sweetbriarhuslin7371 😂
why not just frame your house the ancient way? you know, carved monolithic stone. it would be superior to all current framing.....
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the next video is the pros and cons of using a microphone
I grew up in a steel house and when my parents told me i needed to move out i unscrewed my bedroom and took it with me
Only in Australia, steel is more expensive than wood!!!!
I think so..in my country we only use steel to press the budget
Cheaper
I was excited until I saw the name of the channel. There's a clear bias...
LMAO...
Its a shame the same cant be said about the slabs they use on the east coast... frame might last 50 years but these waffle pod slabs wont
This is an advertisement...
usually, ads don't mention any cons but not this one, so I wouldn't classify it as an ad.
Of course it's a commercial - what else did you expect?
and erm how about you make a house out of bricks with steel rods in the walls and floors? why do you need a garbage frame for that? also im sure those are WAY stronger then ANY steel or wood frames
@Paradoxical Nightmare you have a good point but there's no reason to be an asshole just because we're on the internet
Sure steel doesnt burn, if the whole house and fixings are made of steel. Steel frames are not treated with chemicals? No zink, lead or other rust proofing? Your justification of myths doesnt add up.
@Marc Brik _ Steel buildings will not burn but with enough damage, say an airplane crash along with fire, will bring them down like they are being demolished.
Steel will burn. If the fire gets hot enough. better question maybe whats the melting point of this stuff? the frame may not burn, but everything else will.....
@@rogersmith1408 You can not burn or melt the steel with common household fires. Steel will also conduct heat very fast so that it will not weaken like wood, as well. Even if it weakens it will not collapse as if the whole structure is compromised.
For the rest of the building if you use cement boards with stone wool insulation you will have a fire proof house.
@@squidproquo2241 you completely missed my point
@@Brik-in-the-sticks _ "you completely missed my point"
I don't think there is much to miss anyway. You said;
"Sure steel doesnt burn, if the whole house and fixings are made of steel"
Concrete, rock wool, gypsum boards, fiber glass bat insulation, brick, etc. are also don't burn. In fact using steel with cement (concretes) is very common to build a fire proof structure.
You are talking about stick frame buildings out of steel with other materials, implying wood, etc While he is referring to the framing itself. So his argument is "Even everything else is burned down the frame will still stand."
So if you are trying to say something else I am afraid you are out of coherence here.
"Steel frames are not treated with chemicals? No zink, lead or other rust proofing?"
Again he is talking about the material itself. For that matter even painting a metal could be considered as chemical treatment. However, unlike steel, wood itself is immersed in the termite resisting chemicals (mainly Borates) basically a pesticide.
If, you are going to talk about chemical treatment of steel, you talk about surface treatment. Lead is no longer used for homes as corrosion resistant film for steel. As for the galvanization of steel surfaces, as long as, you don't handle the metal in a way to produce metal dust say by cutting mechanically or using high heat etc. even with household fires, the zinc layer will not be harmful to the people.
In short;
You treat wood with chemical which is infused to the wood
You treat the surface of steel which does not change the properties of metal istelf.
"Your justification of myths doesnt add up."
I think you listen to him more carefully and learn more about the basics of the issue.
If, I missed your point, please explain to me what your point is.
Don't smile like that, please!
Sorry, but just because you leave information out, it doesn't mean that you are not lying. I'm a metal worker, so I'm biased towards steel, but I know the problems.
I've been told that our firefighters are not allowed to go inside metal-framed houses, and I find it very difficult to find a clear answer on that.
As others have said, the chances of electrical cables being stripped by being dragged along steel edges are more than just possible.
Steel also conducts heat, and the frames use very thin steel. Who remembers their science teacher proving that steel can catch fire by setting steel wool on fire with a lit match?
When timber burns and the fire is put out, the rest of the timber remains in good condition. The steel frame may not survive and the whole house could be condemned because of a fire in the laundry. Please be fully honest, as it only harms the steel frame industry.
So basically all pros lol
Omg how biased is this!
1 con, i can think of 5!
Do tell these 5 cons
Lived in a steel framed house and it was Noisy, we thought we had rodents in the walls and ceilings, it felt colder in winter and hotter in summer, had trouble with dropouts streaming my nas to my tv, harder to walk in the ceiling looking for those rodents that didnt exsist, mounting the tv wall mount was more difficult, had to use wall anchors, if theres ever a water leak steel will rust over time because its been exposed to moisture, wood will dry out and wont rot unless the leak persists.
@@Wazza722 Yea, but he already addressed a lot of these issues. zinc coated steel for rust, my wood house as the same noise issues(rodent sounds, no rodents), wifi works in skyscrapers, ext. The only big issue i have and a problem im trying to solve is regulating indoor temps. As you said, it gets colder in winter and hotter in The summer. What kind of insulating did you use? I appreciate your feed back.
Zinc coated steel still rusts, why are steel framed and colorbond roofs not recomened around salt water?
Never heard of a timber framed house rusting or creaking.
If i ever get a house built it will be timber frames and trusses.
Thats my thoughts
@@Wazza722 oh, salt water would be a different story for sure. I dont live by the ocean so im probably going to build a steel home. Just has to be insulated properly with a vapor barrier from my readings.
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