Plastic would be another way but that’s for other games like Miitopia. (I find it’s quality better on the 3DS because it looks “plastic” on the switch.)
Not a graphical difference but fun fact... the switch port of Team Sonic Racing is missing the opening CGI cutscene that is present in every other version.
It is to save on the Switch tax. By removing the CGI cutscene, they can use a much smaller card with a lower Switch tax, then they can sell the game cheaper. They could have put it in a patch but they obviously didn't see the point in taking away space from the switch for it.
I find their reasoning for not having it absurd, especially since Team Sonic Racing was included in a physical double pack that also included Sonic Mania on the same cartridge. I mean, they also could've just patched the game to include it as well, not to mention the digital release wouldn't have this problem, so it just sounds like they weren't willing to go the extra way to add something so trivial.
@@GenerationZ313The double pack probably used the cartridges with the same capacity as the original release considering that sonic mania is only slightly under 200MB with the opening cutscene probably taking up a significant amount of space in comparison. Most people also made the flawed argument of “oh, but I downloaded the cutscene from a CZcams video using a converter and it was only 10MB” not knowing that most video files in games tend to be uncompressed data.
Keep in mind the casual player won’t think “ OH THIS GAME IS A SLIGHTLY FPS DOWNGRADE “ most don’t care, they play the switch to have fun, not because it’s BAD, when someone plays frontiers on switch 90% of people won’t complain about the fps downgrade, you don’t even notice UNLESS you compare it side by side with another version but why the fuck would you do that?
This is something I noticed about SF Productions' content. He brings up stuff 90% of people don't care about or notice. Unless said person is a chronic Twitter user. There is a term called "Brainrot." Though I don't fully understand what it means, I think SF Productions has that
I'm a switch user for most of these games. And legit the only one I really think was worth mentioning was Frontiers. And that's only because the looks just that much worse on Switch than any of the other ports. I have arguablybhad a better time with these versions of the games though since, even though the graphics took a slight hit, the switch controls honestly feel very responsive and smooth. And honestly, when it comes to games like Forces specifically, that's a plus for me since I mostly don't enjoy the game due to the bad physics and controls. So yeah, I'd say for even more die-hard Sonic fans like myself, the only thing that would have been worth bring up would have been Frontiers, as it's the most relevant to what he's talking about. Everything else is just kind of nit picks.
Yeah but it makes it look like it just has better renders than 3DS. I saw a comparison of Miitopia on 3DS and Switch and the Switch made everything look really plastic.
shame that the nintendo switch's screen isnt 120 hz so you cant use shutter glasses and alternating images to make it 3d (you could do alternating 30 fps but that would be VERY flickery)
I think sega should try making a sonic game with a cel shaded artsyle not only do i think that artstyle would fit sonic greatly but it would make it easy for the game to run of nintendo consoles
@@crestofhonor2349 they can do something like BoTW that uses models with a somewhat lower poly count thanks to the cell shading hiding those little details
Before I got a Series X, the Switch port of Sonic Frontiers was how I first experienced that game. And despite the lower quality graphics and lower framerate, I didn’t really mind it. I even ended up putting a lot of hours into the game and often found myself playing the it in handheld mode a lot. The game being locked to 30fps doesn’t really bother me either. I can’t really tell the difference between 30fps or 60fps unless I’m watching a CZcams video. The only time a game’s framerate bothers me is when it’s very inconsistent.
You are also honestly the audience SEGA is hoping for. The point is they got a game that is playable that still resembles the bigger version of the game. That is commendable.
I'm still playing the Switch version of Sonic Frontiers and it plays fine enough but with that said I generally agree that aside from handheld play it is objectively the worst way to play.
Frontiers is actually fine until you get to final horizon...oh my god. because the objects are spammy it sometimes leads to fps drops, heck even physics glitches. but it was somewhat still playable, and the final boss was surprisingly good looking on it.
You have to understand they are already severely limiting games like Frontiers with the Switch in mind. That's why every version of the game has horrifically hard coded pop in, that you can only partly resolve on PC. The only way to make games run really great on Switch is to build separate games for it. And we don't want to go back to that era of Sonic. Things will get a bit better when the Switch 2 comes out. It's not SEGA's fault that the Switch is significantly weaker 2 and a half generations behind in power.
As a guy who only owns a switch, i never saw any of the bad. I thought the game looked good, i didn't have any performance issue. Maybe, that's because i bever got the chance to play the other versions
The fact that Frontiers was planed to be launch on Switch really slowed down the game because CLEARLY THE PC AND PS/Box version were tone down to match the Switch. Explaining all those pop ins and the low render distance
Indeed and Sonic Team clearly didn't have the budget or team size to properly test and build out the game for higher spec platforms, so they basically just hard coded it around the lowest spec hardware, the Switch.
That was my personal theory for a while. It is kinda why I have this sentiment that the Nintendo Switch is hindering games that I have to sacrifice things that would work fine on PC, PS5, and Xbox Series X yet struggle noticeably on the Nintendo Switch. It would be like making an Xbox 360 and PS3 game but having significantly scale back because it needs to run on the PSP as well as and there is no time or resources to make two separate version of the game.
The switch MIGHT hinder some games, but that's more so because developers don't take their time anymore and do their homework. Admittedly though, it is amazing that certain games can even run on this thing sometimes.😅😅😅😅😅
@@judahfalls7704 explaining how and why a switch version is identical to its Xbox/Ps version even though it’s a sonic game so the graphics aren’t that high to begin with
I own the Switch version of Team Sonic Racing, and I honestly had a fun time with it, and I didnt really notice any graphical issues (to be fair I also always played it in handheld mode)
You are honestly the audience SEGA is hoping for. The point is they got a game that is playable that still resembles the bigger version of the game. That is commendable.
Bro forgot that Unleashed got a completely different version based on the PS2 version. Saying nowadays there are “major differences” is just wrong. You can chalk it up to a lesser framerate and resolution across the board and no one seems to really care about it.
At the end of the day, we should be glad that Sonic games are on Switch regardless of performance issues, we don’t need a “Genesis does what Nintendon’t” situation, just let the blue hedgehog be in Mario’s territory
@@TrrvvfoIt's great that we're getting the same experience across all platforms but I'm actually starting to miss the days where the handheld ports were different. That's not to say they were all great but if I wanted more of the same game I could always rely on a handheld version to possibly fix some issues I had with the console version.
Overall, I'm just confused about how video game companies can release games on a handheld with an almost ancient mobile chip while they can't release it on last gen home consoles and newer mobile phones.
Honestly imo, Frontiers is kinda understandable, but games like Colors honestly don't make any sense, are you telling me a wii game can't run on switch at 60fps? When there is Kirby Return to Dreamland Deluxe, Super Mario Galaxy or Zelda SS? Generations, at least the part of the og generations has to run at 60fps because the switch is way more powerful than a X360/PS3, at least talking rn at the 3D games
You overestimate how much stronger the Switch is compared to the Xbox 360 and PS3. And the other issue is that the original Generations ran at 30 fps for the console release.
And as for Colors, I blame the fact Sega not only handed it to what are essentially a bunch of new kids in a new development team altogether but also did the usual Sega rush for the holiday season treatment.
@@Mojo1356 I mean, the switch is halfway between an X360/PS3 and a XONE/PS4, and honestly, even rn a very low specs laptop or even pc can run fairly decent generations, so there's no reason the game can't run at 60fps on Switch
@@Mojo1356 true bro, colors ult was super rushed, and sadly, even on next gen platforms it was a complete mess, just that switch took that plus a really unstable framerate
In Sonic Mania for Switch, I recently noticed this significant frame drop during the Chemical Plant Act 1 Boss. When the machine is below moving left to right and you run left to right too, the frames get very choppy. Though I think it may only happen if you have a shield active at the same time which also increases the activity going on. It’s hard to look at when it happens but it’s only a couple seconds at a time and really only that one instance in my experience.
That's crazy cause when I ported my copy of Mania to the Wii there was 0 issues with that boss. Kind of insane that that boss is more optimized on a gen 7 console than on the switch
Since they took a while to get sxsg for switch, i feel we switch users can finally play the game with good frames, i know gens will look amazing as the switch is stronger than ps3 and xbox 360, and gens is hardly changed, i just hope shadow gens looks good
It's a matter of optimization at this point. Sonic Colors Ultimate could've easily run miles better than what we got, but clearly, not as much care was taken with that port, especially since the job was outsourced to another Studio instead of Sonic Team.
For now the most we can hope for is that it runs at a smooth 30fps because devs do not wanna put in the time to make these remasters run ar 60 despite Generations not seeing any huge graphical updates compared to the Shadow portion.
Fun fact about colors ultimate; the majority of the "Seizure inducing" glitches were hoaxed. They were being done on an emulator to make it look worse than it actually was. It was still there but nowhere near as bad as it was being made out to be.
that's wrong, actually. No one was trying to fake them. Only one glitch was done on an emulator, being the T-pose in planet wisp but even that glitch was replicated on real hardware later. But people took that and ran screaming they were all fake.
Actually no, initially it was found out that someone was getting the seizure glitches on emulator, and some started CLAIMING they were fake, but then AFTER that it was discovered that, no, they are very real and do happen on the Switch. So it was not a hoax after all, but it was a developing story, and what you described was a specific point in that developing story but it wasn't the final conclusion.
Colours Ultimate was less a reflection on the Switch's old hardware and more on the fact that they handed it off to Blind Squirrel who tried to run Godot engine on top.
@@judahfalls7704it was more of porting issue than a hardware issue for sure. I mean you can probably just emulate the original Wii version on Switch and it would probably run much better than the actual remaster.
Sonic Colors is one of my favorite games in the series and I am so baffled not just by the Switch version but like, in general. I don't know why they couldn't just take the Wii version, polish it up into HD and call it a day. Apparently some data mining shows that a bunch of models like the Wisps seemed to have been redone with unnecessarily high polygon counts, and like... it's just such a mess
I first played Sonic Frontiers on my Switch, and let me tell you, when I got my Xbox Series X and downloaded Frontiers to it, it felt like I was playing a remaster of that game and it was AMAZING
it depends. I personally can see big differences between switch and PC, but considering how bad the switch hardware is, they couldn't have done better, to those who don't look much to the graphics and technical side of things, I guess they're acceptable ports.
@@leothehuman_9476dude. I know the Switch looks inherently worse because of the hardware. Do I actually care? No. Not at all. As long as the game looks fine enough and runs consistently (and it normally does), I couldn’t care less that I’m not playing with 1440k and 120 fps.
Literally just bought Sonic Superstars for the switch, then checked CZcams, and this is the first video I see. Thank god there's nothin too bad with it lol, good video
The Sonic Ports on switch are programmed to read inputs at 60 while running at 30. It’s mentioned in interviews with Sonic Team over the years. This however doesn’t directly apply to Colors Ultimate, I’m unsure of that port since it wasn’t directly done by Sonic Team.
Cant wait to switch 2, the only reason i have ps5 is to play sonic games at full power, once switch 2 releases and (hopefully) is powerful, imma just sell all my consoles for switch 2 and everything
I think you might be overestimating how powerful Switch 2 will be. At best it might come within spitting distance of a PS4, which is around the raw power of a Steam Deck. From there it is going to depend on how many clever tricks Nvidia has baked into the hardware if any.
I got Sonic Frontiers on my Switch for Christmas 2022 (since I didn't have PlayStation or Xbox yet) and honestly, the lower graphics didn't really bother me that much during my playthrough of it. I'm thinking of getting the PS4 port for the better performance, though I'm still keeping Mania and Origins installed on my Switch since they run perfectly fine in my eyes. And seeing how well Sonic Superstars handles on Switch, I might get around to playing that version as well. Switch ports are definitely inferior, but they have a bit of charm in my eyes.
Despite the technical issues coming from being ported to Switch, these versions still end up performing the best sales-wise out of all the console versions. It’s been clear ever since the series went third party in 2001, that a large portion of Sonic’s core audience are Nintendo console owners, which is why Sega is gonna keep making Sonic games for the Switch onwards.
weren't the glitches in the Switch version of Colors Ultimate made with modifications via emulators? Frontiers also had similar glitches on Yuzu on the days close to release (Specially for people playing the leaked rom before release)
I have TSR on Switch and as someone who's played Transformed on Wii U (which was 30 FPS), I think it's more noticeable in TSR, maybe it's because my eyes got used to Transformed's framerate (this was before I even could notice or care about that thing) but TSR does feel choppier. Plus the game drops frames when you use the black Wisp item sometimes
The fact frontiers graphics on switch weren’t great compared to other consoles this just scares me on how the switch port of sonic x shadow generations is gonna look.
So, with Forces and I think all the other games, they have it so the control input is 60hz rather than 30, so even though the games framerate is 30, the controls are still running as if it was 60
@@SFproductions1 good, even if the game looks 30fps, the inputs are like when it's at 60fps. So you don't have a big input delay while the switch doesn't have to be stressed much.
I have never had any problems with playing sonic games on switch. Playing alot of the older games on console kinda made me just get used to it. Like I replayed Gears of war 1 on xbox 360 and that game is like 25 fps, hell I even played Max payne 1 on ps2 and that game has unlocked frames, but it could go from 10 fps or 60 at will. Playing stuff like Frontiers, team sonic racing, colors or even forces on switch is okay to me, even though playing it on other consoles and/or pc will have it at 60 with increased graphics. Im just glad that the games is on switch even though they're technically worse performing, but that has to be expected because the switch isn't as powerful as the other options.
The fps is mostly dependent on if the game was designed for lower frame rates. It's why a game like Starfox runs at like 12 fps but is still playable. So if they tune the games to run at lower frame rates then it'd be ok
The lighting is probably a bigger reason. You can only cut down the lighting so much before it doesn't resemble the original game. The poly count is much less of a reason why as the Switch version already has reduced poly counts. Still they'd never hit 60fps
Here’s my take as someone who’s a Sonic fan that only owns a Switch: Honestly, it doesn’t really bother me that much. Yes, part of it is because I don’t have anything to compare it to, but that’s beside the point. At a certain point, it becomes a question of “Do I wanna play it or not,” and obviously the answer is yes. Before you ask (and go ahead and make fun of me, I don’t care), I have a Mac as my main computer.
As someone that has every switch sonic game at first (not olympic to) accept sonic menia and colors ultemite: I never had problems with any of these, and i never had glitches in any of these. Also in my opinion superstars is best on switch oled, this is one of these games that looks amezing on oled.
honestly, even tho frontiers isn't "good" graphically it's a miracle it runs at all with the graphics it has given its struggle on better platforms. i think if they pulled a borderlands 3 and stylized the graphics in the port more it could have looked more passable in comparison to its better ports.
I’m planning on getting frontiers for the switch right now. I have frontiers on PS4. I’m also gonna get mania forces and superstars and team sonic racing in shadow generations and sonic generations
To be honest a lot of these games didnt need compromises. A lot of them was compromised for no reason. Im pretty sure Sonic Forces, Colors (a freaking Wii game), and Superstars should have been better! But Sega confirmed in a interview with GameExplain they developed Sonic X Shadow Generations for PlayStation 5 first which they been developing for PlayStation first this whole time which is a big mistake give the only Sonic game out sell their Switch Version was Sonic Frontiers (only because it LOOKED like a Triple A), not for being Sonic. Most the Generation long Switch Sonic games been out selling their more graphical versions. So my question is why didnt Sega develop first for Switch to make sure Nintendo Sonic fans, their biggest audience had a great experience dispite power? Looking at Ratchet and Clank, Sly Cooper, and Jak and Daxer PlayStation is not the main audience for Sonic. Heck i don't see Astro Bot selling that well.
4:00 For real! I even saw videos of it, and GOOD LORD I almost died of a seizure! And yup, it's definetly the most buggy. I saw videos of it and Sonic was phasing through the floor, falling off Starlight Carnival's light road, getting stuck on one of the numbers of the result screen(the score) and had loading screens that lasted FOREVER!
I modded my 3ds, and have the unofficial mania port: it does not run without problem. The game stutters in the normal game and it straight slowmo on both the special and bonus stages
As someone who's played sonic games exclusively on switch since I've started playing sonic games it feels really weird to know that there's differences compared to regular consoles
No way that Superstars is the best Switch port! The stage's backgrounds are in the lowest quality possible (particularly Lagoon City) and the drops to 30 FPS with the super forms! The true final boss in the Switch port is almost impossible!
Something I've been hoping to do at some point is try and document various changes the Switch port of Forces has compared to the others, since it actually has quite a few differences compared to the other versions. Some terrain meshes actually got reworked a bit (Null Space and Classic Chemical Plant are some examples), setdata on various stages have actually been adjusted, there's a few minor bugfixes not present on the other platforms, etc. Side note: I actually happen to have all the Sonic games released for Switch thus far and I don't really mind the lower asset quality/framerate since I still manage to have fun with the games overall.
I sometimes don't play games for quality. Playing the game at all is what matters. I own a lot of Sonic games on Switch, and I don't care how bad it looks.
I think you didn't give enough credit to Team Sonic Racing, sure being only 30 fps is a bummer, but Allstars Transformed was also 30 fps on consoles and that's how most people played the game. I think you should've praised more the port cause it's honestly amazing how graphically it looks the same as the PS4 version, most multiplat games on Switch have some more downgrades in textures and lighting even if you cut the framerate in half, but this port hardly any graphically different from the PS4 and it runs at 900p docked and full 720p handheld, it's awesome really.
I played Frontiers on both PC (R7 3700X/3060Ti) and Switch, and I didn't mind the downgrade as much as I thought I would. It really doesn't detract from the experience too much considering the pop in is almost the same on all versions, and that's my biggest problem. Other than that, it's a fine game either way.
Unfortunately it's not possible for games like sonic who have a big fanbase on nintendo. It's all nintendo's fault for being greedy and not upgrading the switch's hardware, phones nowadays are a lot more powerful than a switch and they cost less. Nintendo meanwhile is still selling a 2017 tablet for 350$, it's ridicoulus.
I don't think SEGA/Sonic Team developed this games with the Switch in mind. They probably were targeting more powerful hardware, but they had to port the games to the Switch due to the fact that Sonic tends to sell better on Nintendo consoles ever since SEGA became a third-party and released Sonic Adventure 2 on the GameCube. Making a Sonic game, design from the ground up with the Switch's specs in mind would've been a good idea, but a similar thing happened with the development of Sonic 2006, which was meant to be released on the Wii, but when Sonic Team realized the Wii couldn't run 2006 they decided to make Sonic and the Secret Rings, which affected the development of 2006 I actually find it kind of fascinating that SEGA is one of the third-party developers that hasn't released a lot of games on the Switch, not even some old Yakuza/Like a Dragon, Sakura Wars games, but they cannot ignore the Switch's instalbase when it comes to Sonic
Tbh I really enjoyed frontiers on switch, I even 100% completed it I just don't care about graphics and frame rate...as long as it's 30 fps I'm good That said I'm having my doubts on Sonic colors ultimate...maybe I'll try to emulate it? Idk
6:20 "Everything just looks so deep fried"
What a strange, unique insult.
LMAO i couldnt think of any other way to describe it
@@SFproductions1 i legit turned my head and audibly said "whatttt???" When you said it looks deep fried lol
Yeah, no that is actually an accurate way to describe it. I know cause it's the only version I have.😅
This line gave me a good laugh, ngl. 😂
Plastic would be another way but that’s for other games like Miitopia. (I find it’s quality better on the 3DS because it looks “plastic” on the switch.)
Not a graphical difference but fun fact... the switch port of Team Sonic Racing is missing the opening CGI cutscene that is present in every other version.
I believe they said they didn't have enough cartridge space, but they never added it in the digital version or added it as a free update/patch
It is to save on the Switch tax. By removing the CGI cutscene, they can use a much smaller card with a lower Switch tax, then they can sell the game cheaper. They could have put it in a patch but they obviously didn't see the point in taking away space from the switch for it.
I find their reasoning for not having it absurd, especially since Team Sonic Racing was included in a physical double pack that also included Sonic Mania on the same cartridge. I mean, they also could've just patched the game to include it as well, not to mention the digital release wouldn't have this problem, so it just sounds like they weren't willing to go the extra way to add something so trivial.
@@judahfalls7704switch tax lmao, what a funny term
@@GenerationZ313The double pack probably used the cartridges with the same capacity as the original release considering that sonic mania is only slightly under 200MB with the opening cutscene probably taking up a significant amount of space in comparison.
Most people also made the flawed argument of “oh, but I downloaded the cutscene from a CZcams video using a converter and it was only 10MB” not knowing that most video files in games tend to be uncompressed data.
We just realized every Nintendo Switch Sonic Games runs like 30Fps
Sonic Mania and Sonic Superstars:
@@ahmedhasan4966that one looks good
@@ahmedhasan4966exactly
@@ahmedhasan4966 both run at a smooth 60 FPS!
@@ahmedhasan4966 2D Sonic Games with ONE of them being made by a fan and the OTHER made after the juggernaut that's Sonic Frontiers..
Keep in mind the casual player won’t think “ OH THIS GAME IS A SLIGHTLY FPS DOWNGRADE “ most don’t care, they play the switch to have fun, not because it’s BAD, when someone plays frontiers on switch 90% of people won’t complain about the fps downgrade, you don’t even notice UNLESS you compare it side by side with another version but why the fuck would you do that?
There's also a lot of times where it drops a lot like in sonic frontiers but most of the time its not that noticeable
This is something I noticed about SF Productions' content. He brings up stuff 90% of people don't care about or notice. Unless said person is a chronic Twitter user.
There is a term called "Brainrot." Though I don't fully understand what it means, I think SF Productions has that
I'm a switch user for most of these games. And legit the only one I really think was worth mentioning was Frontiers. And that's only because the looks just that much worse on Switch than any of the other ports. I have arguablybhad a better time with these versions of the games though since, even though the graphics took a slight hit, the switch controls honestly feel very responsive and smooth. And honestly, when it comes to games like Forces specifically, that's a plus for me since I mostly don't enjoy the game due to the bad physics and controls. So yeah, I'd say for even more die-hard Sonic fans like myself, the only thing that would have been worth bring up would have been Frontiers, as it's the most relevant to what he's talking about. Everything else is just kind of nit picks.
This is why its a joke when people imply these people posting on CZcams/Twitter represent a fanbase. No, they dont
I haven’t found anything wrong with the switch port. Even compared to the other versions of the game, it looks pretty good
Just to point this out, if you fully zoom in into the sonic 2 island in origins it can drop to 15 frames, which is insane
7:43 something i actually kinda like about the switch port is it looks like a 3ds game
Yeah but it makes it look like it just has better renders than 3DS. I saw a comparison of Miitopia on 3DS and Switch and the Switch made everything look really plastic.
I always thought that Sonic Superstars artstlye reminded me a lot of Sonic Generations on 3DS.
shame that the nintendo switch's screen isnt 120 hz so you cant use shutter glasses and alternating images to make it 3d (you could do alternating 30 fps but that would be VERY flickery)
well theres always red and blue glasses.. but those kind of compromise colour accuracy
I think sega should try making a sonic game with a cel shaded artsyle not only do i think that artstyle would fit sonic greatly but it would make it easy for the game to run of nintendo consoles
I play Gens with a cel shader mod and it's beautiful, it fits Sonic perfectly.
Cel shading doesn't make the game easier to run. The switch would still need heavy compromises as it's weaker than smartphones too
Or they can do nothing becahse the switch 2 is coming out at around early 2025 with ps4 gen level power which is what their games are made for anyways
@@crestofhonor2349 they can do something like BoTW that uses models with a somewhat lower poly count thanks to the cell shading hiding those little details
Before I got a Series X, the Switch port of Sonic Frontiers was how I first experienced that game. And despite the lower quality graphics and lower framerate, I didn’t really mind it. I even ended up putting a lot of hours into the game and often found myself playing the it in handheld mode a lot. The game being locked to 30fps doesn’t really bother me either. I can’t really tell the difference between 30fps or 60fps unless I’m watching a CZcams video. The only time a game’s framerate bothers me is when it’s very inconsistent.
You are also honestly the audience SEGA is hoping for. The point is they got a game that is playable that still resembles the bigger version of the game. That is commendable.
I'm still playing the Switch version of Sonic Frontiers and it plays fine enough but with that said I generally agree that aside from handheld play it is objectively the worst way to play.
@@judahfalls7704Ignorance is bliss
Bro probably thinks real life is 30 fps
@@jollama Indeed.
“Sonic had a rocky history on the switch”
It’s really funny how Nintendo Sonic fans went from getting exclusives to having worse ports than the original game cough (colors) cough
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@@gmoneythestickman At least it ran at 60fps
That's pretty much the result of having a console held back in terms of quality.
SEGA: this is what you get for that crummy Wii U exclusively from the mid-2010s!
Frontiers is actually fine until you get to final horizon...oh my god. because the objects are spammy it sometimes leads to fps drops, heck even physics glitches. but it was somewhat still playable, and the final boss was surprisingly good looking on it.
This video really cleared up a lot of my doubts about the Sonic ports on Nintendo Switch!
0:13 unwiished, gens 3ds and lost world 3ds crying in the corner
You have to understand they are already severely limiting games like Frontiers with the Switch in mind. That's why every version of the game has horrifically hard coded pop in, that you can only partly resolve on PC. The only way to make games run really great on Switch is to build separate games for it. And we don't want to go back to that era of Sonic. Things will get a bit better when the Switch 2 comes out. It's not SEGA's fault that the Switch is significantly weaker 2 and a half generations behind in power.
As a guy who only owns a switch, i never saw any of the bad. I thought the game looked good, i didn't have any performance issue. Maybe, that's because i bever got the chance to play the other versions
4:09 isnt it HILARIOUS how the fucking WII can run sonic colors better than the switch
The fact that Frontiers was planed to be launch on Switch really slowed down the game because CLEARLY THE PC AND PS/Box version were tone down to match the Switch. Explaining all those pop ins and the low render distance
Indeed and Sonic Team clearly didn't have the budget or team size to properly test and build out the game for higher spec platforms, so they basically just hard coded it around the lowest spec hardware, the Switch.
That was my personal theory for a while. It is kinda why I have this sentiment that the Nintendo Switch is hindering games that I have to sacrifice things that would work fine on PC, PS5, and Xbox Series X yet struggle noticeably on the Nintendo Switch.
It would be like making an Xbox 360 and PS3 game but having significantly scale back because it needs to run on the PSP as well as and there is no time or resources to make two separate version of the game.
The switch MIGHT hinder some games, but that's more so because developers don't take their time anymore and do their homework. Admittedly though, it is amazing that certain games can even run on this thing sometimes.😅😅😅😅😅
@@judahfalls7704 explaining how and why a switch version is identical to its Xbox/Ps version even though it’s a sonic game so the graphics aren’t that high to begin with
@@RClipsGaming101 Very true. The Witcher III and DOOM Eternal are probably the most surprising ones that I know of.
Sonic games have a rough transition to the switch
Some of them did, some of them did not.
@@ahmedhasan4966 having a drop in frame rate doesn't equate to "oh it's fine"..
@@groudonor12this is the second time I see you around making jokes about sonic's rough transitions😂
@@groudonor12 except it does, 30 fps is fine.
@@TheLogreal
But 60 is much more preferable, especially for a Sonic game.
8:13 HOW?????? EVERYTHING LOOKS SO BAD IT GENUINELY MADE ME HATE THIS GAME MORE THAT I ALREADY DO
I actually thought Sonic Frontiers on Switch looked decent.
Honestly same, but then I played the Xbox version, and the rest is history
Playing other platform versions is a night and day difference compared to the switch
I own the Switch version of Team Sonic Racing, and I honestly had a fun time with it, and I didnt really notice any graphical issues (to be fair I also always played it in handheld mode)
Same, I own it along with the mania pack and honestly, I don’t see any difference
You are honestly the audience SEGA is hoping for. The point is they got a game that is playable that still resembles the bigger version of the game. That is commendable.
Bro forgot that Unleashed got a completely different version based on the PS2 version. Saying nowadays there are “major differences” is just wrong. You can chalk it up to a lesser framerate and resolution across the board and no one seems to really care about it.
At the end of the day, we should be glad that Sonic games are on Switch regardless of performance issues, we don’t need a “Genesis does what Nintendon’t” situation, just let the blue hedgehog be in Mario’s territory
Thank you! I don’t care about performance issues, as long as I can play the game that’s fine. I’m also glad you’re against that quote.
I'm just happy to be able to play the same game and not a different one with the same name unleashed wii
@@TrrvvfoIt's great that we're getting the same experience across all platforms but I'm actually starting to miss the days where the handheld ports were different. That's not to say they were all great but if I wanted more of the same game I could always rely on a handheld version to possibly fix some issues I had with the console version.
Bro’s encouraging low standards
@@jollamamore like not all of us need everything to run at 1440k resolution and 120 fps.
Overall, I'm just confused about how video game companies can release games on a handheld with an almost ancient mobile chip while they can't release it on last gen home consoles and newer mobile phones.
Honestly imo, Frontiers is kinda understandable, but games like Colors honestly don't make any sense, are you telling me a wii game can't run on switch at 60fps? When there is Kirby Return to Dreamland Deluxe, Super Mario Galaxy or Zelda SS? Generations, at least the part of the og generations has to run at 60fps because the switch is way more powerful than a X360/PS3, at least talking rn at the 3D games
You overestimate how much stronger the Switch is compared to the Xbox 360 and PS3. And the other issue is that the original Generations ran at 30 fps for the console release.
And as for Colors, I blame the fact Sega not only handed it to what are essentially a bunch of new kids in a new development team altogether but also did the usual Sega rush for the holiday season treatment.
@@Mojo1356 I mean, the switch is halfway between an X360/PS3 and a XONE/PS4, and honestly, even rn a very low specs laptop or even pc can run fairly decent generations, so there's no reason the game can't run at 60fps on Switch
@@Mojo1356 true bro, colors ult was super rushed, and sadly, even on next gen platforms it was a complete mess, just that switch took that plus a really unstable framerate
@@andreyrh you give the Switch’s hardware way too much credit.
In Sonic Mania for Switch, I recently noticed this significant frame drop during the Chemical Plant Act 1 Boss. When the machine is below moving left to right and you run left to right too, the frames get very choppy. Though I think it may only happen if you have a shield active at the same time which also increases the activity going on.
It’s hard to look at when it happens but it’s only a couple seconds at a time and really only that one instance in my experience.
That's crazy cause when I ported my copy of Mania to the Wii there was 0 issues with that boss. Kind of insane that that boss is more optimized on a gen 7 console than on the switch
Since they took a while to get sxsg for switch, i feel we switch users can finally play the game with good frames, i know gens will look amazing as the switch is stronger than ps3 and xbox 360, and gens is hardly changed, i just hope shadow gens looks good
It's a matter of optimization at this point. Sonic Colors Ultimate could've easily run miles better than what we got, but clearly, not as much care was taken with that port, especially since the job was outsourced to another Studio instead of Sonic Team.
@@GenerationZ313 switch users gonna eat good with sxsg
Expect no higher than 30 fps on switch. While 60 fps on consoles.
Why do I suddenly have a bad feeling about the Sonic X Shadow Generations Switch port now...?
For now the most we can hope for is that it runs at a smooth 30fps because devs do not wanna put in the time to make these remasters run ar 60 despite Generations not seeing any huge graphical updates compared to the Shadow portion.
Fun fact about colors ultimate; the majority of the "Seizure inducing" glitches were hoaxed. They were being done on an emulator to make it look worse than it actually was. It was still there but nowhere near as bad as it was being made out to be.
Oh yes I remember that but there were still REALLY bad glitches on actual hardware
that's wrong, actually. No one was trying to fake them. Only one glitch was done on an emulator, being the T-pose in planet wisp but even that glitch was replicated on real hardware later. But people took that and ran screaming they were all fake.
Actually no, initially it was found out that someone was getting the seizure glitches on emulator, and some started CLAIMING they were fake, but then AFTER that it was discovered that, no, they are very real and do happen on the Switch. So it was not a hoax after all, but it was a developing story, and what you described was a specific point in that developing story but it wasn't the final conclusion.
Colours Ultimate was less a reflection on the Switch's old hardware and more on the fact that they handed it off to Blind Squirrel who tried to run Godot engine on top.
@@judahfalls7704it was more of porting issue than a hardware issue for sure. I mean you can probably just emulate the original Wii version on Switch and it would probably run much better than the actual remaster.
Sonic Colors is one of my favorite games in the series and I am so baffled not just by the Switch version but like, in general. I don't know why they couldn't just take the Wii version, polish it up into HD and call it a day. Apparently some data mining shows that a bunch of models like the Wisps seemed to have been redone with unnecessarily high polygon counts, and like... it's just such a mess
I first played Sonic Frontiers on my Switch, and let me tell you, when I got my Xbox Series X and downloaded Frontiers to it, it felt like I was playing a remaster of that game and it was AMAZING
i got 100% on sonic frontiers for the switch, and it was honestly not as bad as it may sound!
Sonic Generations will probably look like the ps3/360 Version.
This is sumned up by "It looks so MASSIVELY WORSE 😭"
*proceeds to show clips that are barely any different between one another*
probably due to youtube compression and stuff
@@latsaspege2021 bullshit...
it depends. I personally can see big differences between switch and PC, but considering how bad the switch hardware is, they couldn't have done better, to those who don't look much to the graphics and technical side of things, I guess they're acceptable ports.
@@leothehuman_9476dude. I know the Switch looks inherently worse because of the hardware. Do I actually care? No. Not at all. As long as the game looks fine enough and runs consistently (and it normally does), I couldn’t care less that I’m not playing with 1440k and 120 fps.
@@Mojo1356 Okay I mean that's great and all but he wasn't talking to you, people who care about these things are allowed to care about it as well
Not going to lie I'm an switch user and I'm surprised that the game can even run on the Nintendo switch
(Great video by the way)
One of the reasons its gonna be a miracle for the next nintendo console to actually not be a potato is this entire video.
Literally just bought Sonic Superstars for the switch, then checked CZcams, and this is the first video I see. Thank god there's nothin too bad with it lol, good video
With mania, people have got it running on the Wii, in 480p of course
What’s this melody? 9:00
Lagoon City act 2
@@chris10041 thank you
@@polokidreemzplayz5963 Your welcome man
Takashi Iizuka already confirmed in an interview that Sonic X Shadow Generation will be capped at 30 fps.
The Sonic Ports on switch are programmed to read inputs at 60 while running at 30. It’s mentioned in interviews with Sonic Team over the years. This however doesn’t directly apply to Colors Ultimate, I’m unsure of that port since it wasn’t directly done by Sonic Team.
6:35 LMAO! PS2 tech demo!? 😂😂😂😂😂
Sonic Generations part will some how be 30 fps
Cant wait to switch 2, the only reason i have ps5 is to play sonic games at full power, once switch 2 releases and (hopefully) is powerful, imma just sell all my consoles for switch 2 and everything
Yes now you just have to to play the waiting game.
at that point you might as well get a gaming laptop
@@Sydney_Angelyta ps5 is still about half the price of any gaming laptop that is actually worth buying
I think you might be overestimating how powerful Switch 2 will be. At best it might come within spitting distance of a PS4, which is around the raw power of a Steam Deck. From there it is going to depend on how many clever tricks Nvidia has baked into the hardware if any.
You may as well get a steam deck and not lock yourself into Nintendo
7:10 2nd and 3rd island look MUCH better
As a person who beat the switch version of sonic frontiers 2 times and its I mean fine but not that good
I was disappointed I blew my money on sonic superstars for the switch
To this day, I still haven’t finished my Frontiers playthrough on the Switch because it holds up graphics as impressively as a Roblox Sonic game does.
I got Sonic Frontiers on my Switch for Christmas 2022 (since I didn't have PlayStation or Xbox yet) and honestly, the lower graphics didn't really bother me that much during my playthrough of it. I'm thinking of getting the PS4 port for the better performance, though I'm still keeping Mania and Origins installed on my Switch since they run perfectly fine in my eyes. And seeing how well Sonic Superstars handles on Switch, I might get around to playing that version as well. Switch ports are definitely inferior, but they have a bit of charm in my eyes.
I don’t see the big deal with frame rates I can barely tell the difference between 30 and 60fps
Despite the technical issues coming from being ported to Switch, these versions still end up performing the best sales-wise out of all the console versions. It’s been clear ever since the series went third party in 2001, that a large portion of Sonic’s core audience are Nintendo console owners, which is why Sega is gonna keep making Sonic games for the Switch onwards.
weren't the glitches in the Switch version of Colors Ultimate made with modifications via emulators?
Frontiers also had similar glitches on Yuzu on the days close to release (Specially for people playing the leaked rom before release)
Sad part was that I was gonna get frontiers for the switch, then I got my ps5 and saw frontiers was on discount and immediately capitalized on that.
They mostly all are so much worse dawg 😭
Man I Just Released That A Lot Of Sonic Games Are Stuck On 30fps On Switch (Great Video Man 🔥)
I have TSR on Switch and as someone who's played Transformed on Wii U (which was 30 FPS), I think it's more noticeable in TSR, maybe it's because my eyes got used to Transformed's framerate (this was before I even could notice or care about that thing) but TSR does feel choppier. Plus the game drops frames when you use the black Wisp item sometimes
Yo bro keep up the consistent upload schedule man you’re gonna blow up 😳
I'll try!
7:18 You Have No Idea How Tower 3 Of Final Horizon Bugs Me
6:43 "the FOILAGE is non-existent at times" holy shit 💀
UGHGHGHGHHGHG
@SFproductions1 My dude it's called foliage not foilage
@@Hamlock_ I know 😭😭
I made a slight spelling mistake when writing the script and wasn't really thinking when recording the video
The fact frontiers graphics on switch weren’t great compared to other consoles this just scares me on how the switch port of sonic x shadow generations is gonna look.
So, with Forces and I think all the other games, they have it so the control input is 60hz rather than 30, so even though the games framerate is 30, the controls are still running as if it was 60
Is that good or bad?
@@SFproductions1 good, even if the game looks 30fps, the inputs are like when it's at 60fps. So you don't have a big input delay while the switch doesn't have to be stressed much.
I have never had any problems with playing sonic games on switch. Playing alot of the older games on console kinda made me just get used to it. Like I replayed Gears of war 1 on xbox 360 and that game is like 25 fps, hell I even played Max payne 1 on ps2 and that game has unlocked frames, but it could go from 10 fps or 60 at will.
Playing stuff like Frontiers, team sonic racing, colors or even forces on switch is okay to me, even though playing it on other consoles and/or pc will have it at 60 with increased graphics.
Im just glad that the games is on switch even though they're technically worse performing, but that has to be expected because the switch isn't as powerful as the other options.
I feel like portability doesn't matter anymore when something like the steam deck can play more than half of these games at 60FPS
I can agree that the Switch hinders the performance in some games, but you make it sound as though the games were broken and barely playable.
"conflicting Switch ports"
The word conflict can never escape me as a Kendrick fan.
I remember you was conflicted
Foilage? The word is foliage, lol! Foh-lee-idge.
I knowwww
The fps is mostly dependent on if the game was designed for lower frame rates. It's why a game like Starfox runs at like 12 fps but is still playable. So if they tune the games to run at lower frame rates then it'd be ok
I fully believe that Sonic Dream Team should have been a Switch Exclusive, or atleast be on both Mobile and Switch
1000 views in 35 minutes bro fell off 🥀 (JK lol ur videos are great. i love watching your sonic content. Keep it up!)
Thanks! 😁
From the pre-order footage with Dreamcast sonic cheering on we could see that the sonic gens part might actually run 60fps on switch.
The reason why sonic games on switch run on 30 FPS is because of they don't reduce the number of tri polygon in the models
The lighting is probably a bigger reason. You can only cut down the lighting so much before it doesn't resemble the original game. The poly count is much less of a reason why as the Switch version already has reduced poly counts. Still they'd never hit 60fps
I mean in september, we might get a rumored "switch 2"
Here’s my take as someone who’s a Sonic fan that only owns a Switch: Honestly, it doesn’t really bother me that much. Yes, part of it is because I don’t have anything to compare it to, but that’s beside the point. At a certain point, it becomes a question of “Do I wanna play it or not,” and obviously the answer is yes.
Before you ask (and go ahead and make fun of me, I don’t care), I have a Mac as my main computer.
Yeah, frontiers looks ABYSMAL on the switch.
So does Superstars lol
As someone that has every switch sonic game at first (not olympic to) accept sonic menia and colors ultemite:
I never had problems with any of these, and i never had glitches in any of these. Also in my opinion superstars is best on switch oled, this is one of these games that looks amezing on oled.
honestly, even tho frontiers isn't "good" graphically it's a miracle it runs at all with the graphics it has given its struggle on better platforms.
i think if they pulled a borderlands 3 and stylized the graphics in the port more it could have looked more passable in comparison to its better ports.
I’m planning on getting frontiers for the switch right now. I have frontiers on PS4. I’m also gonna get mania forces and superstars and team sonic racing in shadow generations and sonic generations
this isn't a video... this is THE video...
To be honest a lot of these games didnt need compromises. A lot of them was compromised for no reason. Im pretty sure Sonic Forces, Colors (a freaking Wii game), and Superstars should have been better! But Sega confirmed in a interview with GameExplain they developed Sonic X Shadow Generations for PlayStation 5 first which they been developing for PlayStation first this whole time which is a big mistake give the only Sonic game out sell their Switch Version was Sonic Frontiers (only because it LOOKED like a Triple A), not for being Sonic. Most the Generation long Switch Sonic games been out selling their more graphical versions. So my question is why didnt Sega develop first for Switch to make sure Nintendo Sonic fans, their biggest audience had a great experience dispite power? Looking at Ratchet and Clank, Sly Cooper, and Jak and Daxer PlayStation is not the main audience for Sonic. Heck i don't see Astro Bot selling that well.
4:17 The Lighting Is Because Sonic Colors Ultimate Was Made In Geode A Beginner Program Language.
This video kinda proves it that Sega is really lazy making ports to the switch.
4:00 For real! I even saw videos of it, and GOOD LORD I almost died of a seizure! And yup, it's definetly the most buggy. I saw videos of it and Sonic was phasing through the floor, falling off Starlight Carnival's light road, getting stuck on one of the numbers of the result screen(the score) and had loading screens that lasted FOREVER!
I modded my 3ds, and have the unofficial mania port: it does not run without problem. The game stutters in the normal game and it straight slowmo on both the special and bonus stages
As someone who's played sonic games exclusively on switch since I've started playing sonic games it feels really weird to know that there's differences compared to regular consoles
And lets not forget Sonic Generations for the 3DS
I blame the Switch’s very limited hardware.
Yo thanks SF, I have now made the decision to NOT buy Sonic X Shadow Generations on switch.
No way that Superstars is the best Switch port! The stage's backgrounds are in the lowest quality possible (particularly Lagoon City) and the drops to 30 FPS with the super forms! The true final boss in the Switch port is almost impossible!
Something I've been hoping to do at some point is try and document various changes the Switch port of Forces has compared to the others, since it actually has quite a few differences compared to the other versions. Some terrain meshes actually got reworked a bit (Null Space and Classic Chemical Plant are some examples), setdata on various stages have actually been adjusted, there's a few minor bugfixes not present on the other platforms, etc.
Side note: I actually happen to have all the Sonic games released for Switch thus far and I don't really mind the lower asset quality/framerate since I still manage to have fun with the games overall.
I sometimes don't play games for quality. Playing the game at all is what matters. I own a lot of Sonic games on Switch, and I don't care how bad it looks.
Gotta say that having the switch version's graphics be available on PC as mods are very useful for gamers with integrated graphics.
bro i 100% sonic frontiers on switch and getting the memory tokens were so bad to do
I think you didn't give enough credit to Team Sonic Racing, sure being only 30 fps is a bummer, but Allstars Transformed was also 30 fps on consoles and that's how most people played the game. I think you should've praised more the port cause it's honestly amazing how graphically it looks the same as the PS4 version, most multiplat games on Switch have some more downgrades in textures and lighting even if you cut the framerate in half, but this port hardly any graphically different from the PS4 and it runs at 900p docked and full 720p handheld, it's awesome really.
I played Frontiers on both PC (R7 3700X/3060Ti) and Switch, and I didn't mind the downgrade as much as I thought I would. It really doesn't detract from the experience too much considering the pop in is almost the same on all versions, and that's my biggest problem. Other than that, it's a fine game either way.
Me who plays sonic games with 30 FPS: 🤷♂️
Me when I have 40 FPS in Minecraft 😡😡🤬🤬
Always said, they need to stop making these games with the switch in mind, it just holds games back for no reason.
Unfortunately it's not possible for games like sonic who have a big fanbase on nintendo.
It's all nintendo's fault for being greedy and not upgrading the switch's hardware, phones nowadays are a lot more powerful than a switch and they cost less.
Nintendo meanwhile is still selling a 2017 tablet for 350$, it's ridicoulus.
I don't think SEGA/Sonic Team developed this games with the Switch in mind. They probably were targeting more powerful hardware, but they had to port the games to the Switch due to the fact that Sonic tends to sell better on Nintendo consoles ever since SEGA became a third-party and released Sonic Adventure 2 on the GameCube. Making a Sonic game, design from the ground up with the Switch's specs in mind would've been a good idea, but a similar thing happened with the development of Sonic 2006, which was meant to be released on the Wii, but when Sonic Team realized the Wii couldn't run 2006 they decided to make Sonic and the Secret Rings, which affected the development of 2006
I actually find it kind of fascinating that SEGA is one of the third-party developers that hasn't released a lot of games on the Switch, not even some old Yakuza/Like a Dragon, Sakura Wars games, but they cannot ignore the Switch's instalbase when it comes to Sonic
Suprisingly sonic colors ultimate now is almost glitchless now (except switch)
The switch port for SonicxShadow Generations won’t be getting an early access. It could mean more time for polish and optimization 🤔
Tbh I really enjoyed frontiers on switch, I even 100% completed it
I just don't care about graphics and frame rate...as long as it's 30 fps I'm good
That said I'm having my doubts on Sonic colors ultimate...maybe I'll try to emulate it? Idk
I played all of the sonic games on switch. They are all my first times beating them. (I have a Nintendo and Sonic combo bias)