Smart Bed Leveling - Is This Possible?
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- čas přidán 1. 09. 2021
- Are we on the cusp of SMART BED LEVELING on 3D printers? I think (and hope) we are! #3dprinting #flashforge #bedleveling
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The system that you are talking about is already in use on the Voron 2.4, but it’s even better as the bed is fixed in place.
Wow - I just spent like two hours falling down the Voron rabbit hole - so cool! Seems like the ideal setup on that is still very expensive but all things are relative, especially given the print speeds that they can produce, which are INSANE! I love how they level and I really love that they use CoreXY and a fixed bed - perfect! It seems like some basic printer filament profiles in S3D or Cura could be used to accomplish just what I was talking about.
I'd love a Voron but the expense is prohibitive and the task of assembly is rather daunting.
@@DementedDog I'm a software engineer with a background in electronic engineering, so building a Voron for myself is rather simple. As for the price, the old adage that you get what you pay for applies. The majority of people don't understand that when they purchase a $300 product from China, they are actually receiving a ~$220-240 product, as the shipping cost of $60-80 to ship from China is built into the price. The shipping cost that you see on your invoice only covers the additional shipping for it to be delivered directly to you.
I do understand that different people have different budgets, so you can either settle for something less, or you can save up for something better. Personally, I've always preferred the latter for anything that I expect to use for several years.
I've had a very similar setup on my Artillery Sidewinder X1 (4 of them actually) for over the past year. I converted them to a non adjustable bed that still moves in the Y axis, and added the BLTouch to all 4 of them. Once I had the beds set perpendicular, and ran a mesh grid for the firmware, I haven't had to adjust any of my printers since. Over a year, 4 printers, no bed leveling. Just slice and dice... lol. The ability to auto adjust for different filaments would be a nice upgrade!
You've gained a sub, as this is (for some unknown reason) the first I've heard of your channel!
That sounds like a pretty amazing setup to get such consistent results. I'm impressed! I may need to pick your brain on that one a bit...
Thanks for your insights, I'm excited to see where this takes us as a community. It's a great time to jump in to 3d printing, my first printer arrives on Saturday and I've learned so much from your videos. Can't wait to print some cool stuff.
I'm looking forward to hearing how things go once you dive in, Jason!
I wonder if we would already be at your Level 4 if not for the Pandemic and supply line shortages. The rapid development/evolution of the "low end" printers is a natural occurrence of design trickle-down responding to customer demand. Making the goals obvious to the printer developers rather than letting the marketing departments say "these bells and whistles will sell! Even if they don't improve the experience..." will do more to advance the appearance of real improvements. Good video, Niels!
As a total 3d printing noob < week, this sounds great although for my Ender3v2 I happened to note several mentioning the stock springs should be replaced which I did on initial assembly. Leveled manually to an obsessive degree and seems to be holding level.
I can't seem to get a good first layer to stick without glue stick but that's ok if that's all it takes to avoid my initial first disasters .
I'm guessing the nozzle changes, different filiments, etc... would really benefit a lot more from auto-leveling/auto-height/etc... I'm not there yet but will stay tuned!
the creality cr6-se already has fully automatic bed leveling and a solid bed. now the slicers just need to understand material differences in first layer height, but I just make custom material profiles in cura that seem to work.
The day Flashforge release a large format enclosed printer I would not hesitate to buy one, the print size is the only thing that puts me off, I think their Voxelab line will beat them to this landmark though, I bought the Aquila FDM and the Proxima 6" 2K Mono Resin printers when they were released as the print quality and build quality was excellent with a ridiculously low price
I'm surprised no one has used a system like the auto focus on full spectrum laser engravers.....that moves the head up and down itself to stay in focus
I have only have 2 things about my adventure 4 is dislike and it is that it doesn't auto level like a sensor does. For $800 I expected it to level itself. And polar cloud and flashforge cloud for the only web based control is disappointing as well, wish it was compatible with octoprint.
Check out the Biqu B1 SE Plus, it has autobed leveling built into the nozzle, & auto adjust.
So I checked that one out just now and they seem to have the exact hardware we need for the sensor, including the ability to micro-adjust the nozzle-to-bed height easily. The bed also appears to be locked in place, which is awesome. It could use a thicker bed but it's not bad. Now we need to get the slicer to be able to communicate to it, which would be perfect. Someone else mentioned that they just add that in their filament profiles in Cura so it's basically doing that, which I think is super cool.
what is a good camera app for watching my 3d printer on my phone?
Shocked that software hasn't been developed/deployed to determine proper height for type of filament you tell it (along with nozzle size) on initial pass. The leveling can be done, it's done a lot in industry today. Just need to duplicate/mini that and cost it down. I will insure that my bed is level with G and same for all components during mech build and then tweak with software (I always shoot for proper mech position without any offsets... the maths errors add up).
Personally may mess with some old 3 axis gyros I have for rc heli's. I know I will have a tripod support for the bed and use 2 servos to level under two legs (no spring compressions). Unquestionably a off-the-top-head design that will be costlier and mildly more complex addition (software fiddling) but darn sure it works (done it before).
Best, I think, would be simple dme (distance measuring equipment/device) on the hot end and then some software that eventually interfaces/ingrates with current boards/bios/firmware. Initial high cost develop and test/mature tho for the amateur atm.
Come on parts.... time to build!
Ty for good info
Nice video (as always). I am 3 weeks into my 3d printing journey, so I can't speak to the technology so much, but may I ask about your oculus stand? Is it a thingiverse model or your own?
Here's the Thingiverse link - it's a decent model but the arms on the front are too weak in my opinion. www.thingiverse.com/thing:4761076
@@The3DPrintingZone Getting a 404 error when accessing that link.
@@MrBlawson7 That's weird - I did too just now. Here's the search query - it's the second result. www.thingiverse.com/search?q=4761076&type=things&sort=relevant
@@The3DPrintingZone the 2nd result was just an extension for the stand. Is there a link to the stand itself?
@@MrBlawson7 Looks like it's been taken down. Sorry.
Hey Kimi Raikkonnen....... retiring from F1 to 3d printing guru must be a hellofa leap mate?!!?
I was sick of the press.
Sadly the adventurer 4 I have just received has a totally uneven bed and the '9 point' system just takes an average to offset the z and that doesn't help with this totally uneven bed.
im going insane i have had this for 2 years or so and even after adjusting and fixing my bed is nevel level with the nozzel even gantry checks and all
delta printers already do full auto bed leveling also the camera is not HD and led lights are only on the printhead there is not leds in the case.
The future is Prusa XL. Where it measured the pressure in the nozzle in real time and adjusts during a print. There is no sensor, no, mesh leveling.
I have mine on order - can't wait to get it!
I think we are close to level 4 actually. For quite some time we have things like this: czcams.com/video/ItAonH9IVy0/video.html . Setting the Z-offset per filament from slicer should be also easy. So there is only question how to automatically check bed leveling probe and nozzle offset (but this changes only after nozzle change - not so often). Oh and there is also a matter of changing flexplate - I mean when I prepare GCODE for PLA and my printer has Textured PEI in place the printer could ask me to change it to smooth one before printing :)
Did your lungs hurt after that fast talking part? Mine would…
Haha, just a little. That MicroMachines guy was on another level.
Do you do custom jobs
I don't but there are websites like shapeways.com that can help.
"Auto leveling" on the Ender 3 S1 Pro is complete bull, ever since I went to manual leveling I'm finally getting decent leveling and prints.
Bed leveling for me is a curse. I have a Anycubic Chiron and i cant get the bed level at all. Those springs are a curse. Its a hair pulling issue for most beginners. Why cant someone come up with something good so this don't happen at all?
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