The President Who BETRAYED Sega (I don't blame him!)
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
- In the early 1990s, Sega of America was on the rise, capturing the hearts of gamers with the Sega Genesis and iconic characters like Sonic the Hedgehog. At the helm of this success was Tom Kalinske, a visionary CEO who revolutionized the gaming industry. However, behind the scenes, tensions between Sega of America and Sega of Japan were mounting.
In this video, we consider the controversial story of how Tom Kalinske's decisions and actions led to a rift within Sega, ultimately contributing to the company's struggles in the console wars. Was it a case of corporate betrayal, or were there deeper issues at play?
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So Sega inadvertently created the N64 and Nintendo inadvertently created the PlayStation, huh neat
I think it's an awesome story! I highly recommend the book Service Games by Sam Pettus and the Ultimate History of Video Games pt 1 and pt 2 if you like this stuff! It's a great place to hear about these stories!
They prototyped Mario 64 with a modified Sega Genesis controller with an analog stick on it.
Nintendo didn't create(even inadvertently) the playstation, sony did.
Sega's civil war is what killed the Saturn for NA.
yep :(! Breaks my heart. What an excellent piece of 2d hardware it was!
what "civil war" you read some SoA fanboy's forum post books and believed that shit? seriously? lmao
Tom Kalinske did nothing new but be lucky at Mattel... the people who redesigned Barbie and who copied off Conan to make He Man Motu and Filmation did way more work than Kalinske just happening to be there.
@@apollosungod2819 Yeah, he got "lucky". I mean, if you go to recruit someone WHILE THEY ARE ON THEIR VACTION, it says a lot about what they saw in him.
Hayao Nakayama made a deal that Kalinske could do things his ways for NA market if he were to become president of NA Sega, and he went back on it by FORCING him to announce the Saturn the same day at the E3. That's just ONE of the things that went on. You can be in denial all you want, but the FACTS are there.
what set it off was, apparently, Nakayama asked his JP staff why they were not doing as good as the NA branch and told them to do better. at this time sega's JP shares were like 12%. this caused the JP staff to be bitter about the other regions and wanted to see them fail out of spite. they did manage to get a lot more market share in japan with the saturn. but it cost them the rest of the world.
yep! Nakayama jumping them caused them to hate on Kalinske. It seems the USA is the fighting ground for monies in the video game market, right?
It's obvious Nakayama only cared about the Japanese market, he didn't care what happened to any other market outside of that. In the end he pay the ultimate price and had cause Sega's downfall. Sega's other president they hired after Tom Kalinske, Bernie Stolar was also not that impressed with the Saturn and when making the Dreamcast, he too was also planning to make Sega's other games into multiplatform games instead of being exclusive so games like Crazy Taxi, Skies of Arcadia, Phantasy Star Online, and ChuChu Rocket were going to get ported to other platforms in addition to getting Dreamcast version. Kinda make sense for Sega to fired him before the Dreamcast launch to prevent that from ever happening and then Sega made the boneheaded decision to end the Dreamcast for good thus making it happened anyways. Skies of Arcadia got ported to GameCube, Phantasy Star Online got ported to Xbox, Crazy Taxi got ported to PS2, and ChuChu Rocket got ported to the Game Boy Advance.
I think Nakayama was the main force behind Sega downfall. He was to obssessed to became the number 1 in his own country while nota lookimg now successful his company everywhere else. Why not just capitalize on that?
Sega of Japan was just so hard headed and wanted things their way so bad they ignored what the goal was.
Yep :( most unfortunate. Sega has some great stuff even still, but what could have been is nutty! Thanks for watching and commenting!
thing is, it's not just Sega of Japan fault when in reality it was the fact that American retailers forced Sega to prouduce handreds of tousands of units from software and hardware, with Sega paying money to all the stock that would go unsold, and with a very little amount sold, this costed the company billions of dollars from 1994 to 1995, and to 1996 , and it's specifically due to Sega of America clinging to the Sega Genesis and even Sega's of Japan willingness to help them rather than simply moving to the new system, hence why the 32x exist,
if I were to tell you even more information, than I would tell you that EVEN Sega of Japan CEO Hayao Nakayama was PROUD of Sega of America's success, YES they did not listen to the American branch, but that's only due to money losses of billion of dollars, and that Sega of Japan spent TWO YEARS of blood and sweat working on the technology of the Sega Saturn technology, only for the American branch to tell them to throw all that away just because they had a deal with Silicon Graphics, as well as the fact that it was SONY OF JAPAN and Ken Kutaragi who refused to work with Sega of Japan due to Sega's technology lacking in terms of power compared to theirs, as well as demanding a measure of control that was too much for Sega to give, hence a that console collaboration between Sega and Sony did not come to fruition, and the fact that most high quality games did came from Sega of Japan, and even from japanese developers in general back in the 90s, specifically when that there was good wwestern games there and there, western developers had a long way to come up until 2000s, a problem that even Sega Technical Institue had, proving that Tom Kalinske did not had that much eye when it comes to quality game design
if you don't believe me , than here is my answer for you
watch a video called "Sega FY 1997 - The Slow Death of a Titan" it's a video that explain some of the hidden truth behind Sega of Japan and Sega of America's failure that explains why the japanese branch needed to interfere, specifically from 54: 02 of that video up to 1: 00 14 of the video to realize the truth, even though you'll still have to watch up until 1: 05: 02 of it for a better understanding
other sources, which i advice to watch later, are a podcast i found by searching it in google named as, "TCW Podcast Episode 127 - Dreams of Sega", as well as a web site named as "Mega Drive Shock"
@@gregtom3272Sega of America still cling to the past meanwhile Sega of Japan move forward. Thats why PS2 component and PS4 was more advanced version of Sega Saturn. Even Intel copy dual core from Saturn.
@@RACH90810 Sega of Japan is largely still stuck in the past too (or at least their higher ups are).
It’s worse than that. I believe they were actively sabotaging Sega of America to appear more successful. I saw something (article or video) from somebody from Sega of Japan Blaming terrible development for the Sega 32x’s failure, but if you look into the stories for actual developers from the 32x, there are a lot of stories of the dev kit being physically fragile and constantly breaking. I heard a story about a guy who had to replace his broken dev kit, so he flew to japan himself to pick it up, and somehow just from the plane flight back to America it broke. I also heard about a X-Men game for the 32x that was cancelled because the dev kit kept breaking, so they gave up.
One of the reasons why I really don’t like Sega youtubers, is because they all tend to be Sega of Japan apologist no matter what. They are a great resource for FACTS and information about Sega, but suck at interpreting it, because their biggest concern is making Sega of Japan look good.
Even they story behind the Sega Black Belt and Dreamcast is insane. I saw a picture of the Black Belt, it looks like a Dreamcast. You tell me. How is it possible that a console that was in development long before the Dreamcast looks like Sega of Japan’s Dreamcast? but the Sega of Japan youtubers will look at that and say, “I‘m glad the Black Belt failed or we wouldn’t have got the Dreamcast”. Aside from the chipset of the Black Belt (which was rumored to be more powerful and compatible with software than the Dreamcast’s chipset), the only thing I believe Sega of Japan added to the Dreamcast that the Black Belt didn’t have was the VMU, and that makes since because Sony has just had success with the Pocketstation for the PS1, like a year or 2 earlier.
One strange note; the 32X was placed upon Sega of America. As Sega of Japan wanted something as a buffer before the Saturn was released to compete with the Atari Jaguar.
What’s wild is they were threatened by a console that might’ve sold a million consoles.
After all of that they released the Saturn six months after so this buffer period that Sega of America thought would be at least a year ended up half of that.
Oh yeah! I guess they really fell into the whole bit war idea too. If Jaguar has 64 bits, and we only have 16?!?! DO THE MATH, right? lol
yeah alot of companies were scared of the upcoming atari jaguar, nec, sega. if i remember right some of the sega engineers thought the jaguar was a elegant design. i know the supergrafx was made in response to the upcoming sfc.
Tbh Kalinske always bigged himself up at the cost of other people and pretends he had nothing to do with it, the leaked papers from SOA say nothing about SOJ interfering in their operations if anything they demonstrated that it was SOA themselves that didn't know what they were doing and their only idea was adding sports titles, and though being wholly supported by SOJ in most of their ventures (like Kallinske's beloved sports titles) they ultimately struggled with developing on the Saturn and the games they came up with in SOA were considered of inferior quality to Sony's.
The 32X was ENTIRELY the brainchild of SOA, SOJ had nothing to do with it and it was barely even sold anywhere outside America, the 32X came about because Kallinske thought the Saturn was going to be too expensive and he wanted to hang on to the Genesis customer base, so SOA came up with the 32X and convinced SOJ to make it.
In fairness Kallinske was right, the Saturn did end up being too expensive but nothing Kallinske did ever helped the situation, releasing early was not a smart decision, focusing all efforts on a single genre (sports titles) was not a smart move and Kallinske's leaked emails provide no real mainline strategy other than cutting the price more and more, to the point where he did clash with SOJ due to wanting to sell the systems at a loss, considering revenue for SEGA had been low since 1994 this was obviously a problem for SOJ.
These are great insights! I'll have to look into these leaked emails! Most of the information I have been getting came from Service Games by Sam Pettus, interviews on the internet with Tom Kalinske, and The Ultimate History of Video Games by Steven Kent. Thanks so much for taking time to share this! And thanks so much for checking out the video!
Not correct. 32X was a Sega of Japan ordered project for SOA to conclude and be used to extend the life of the Genesis against the Jaguar (64 -bit, or so was thought) and other competitors , until the Saturn was released. SOJ thought the Saturn would be finalized in 1, or 1.5 years time but after the decision to slab the same chip twice in it , instead of developing a better chip, shortened that to 6 months. Thus the short death of the 32-X and discontinued support for it, and the rushing of a good but expensive Saturn with no library of games, (a real Sonic, Ecco, Streets of Rage, etc) made consumers confused.
@@unassailable6138 It was only ever marketed by SOA, it was driven by Joe Miller who was a VP at SOA, it was barely released as i mentioned anywhere outside America.
SOJ and Hideki Sato were involved in the concept initially of a cartridge based 32 bit system (Mars and Jupiter) way back since early 1993 at least but really it was SOA that grabbed Mars with both hands and decided to actually turn it into a real product.
Nobody at SOJ was concerned with the Jaguar the only SEGA documentation that even mentions Atari is from SOA, Atari had never had a foothold in Japan to begin with, only SOA had concerns regarding the Jaguar.
For reference the Jaguar sold about 3,000-5,000 units in Japan, the 32x sold over 200k units there and it's by far SEGAs lowest selling hardware in Japan.
SOJ did not "order SOA" to complete Mars and launch it, they did it of their own volition and drove the product themselves, SOJ was involved in designing it at a technical level, since SOJ housed the hardware design department of SEGA, they definitely rubber-stamped it.
But the overall idea of a 32-bit add-on for the Genesis was all the brainchild of Joe Miller and SOA
America too edgy? Segasan attacked children
hahaha that's true! I even added that video in there. Good point!
Rather than being their Judas, Kalinski was their Benidict Arnold.
Good point! I forgot about ol Benidict!
Same thing.
Sega without Kalinski, would have been destroyed by Nintendo in Western markets. Sega of Japan was too similar to Nintendo & wouldn't have stood out. Sega of Japan was also far too obsessed with 2d games running well on the Saturn, probably because of it's arcade division, but the writing was on the wall that 3d games were the next big thing & left the Saturn ill equipped for them.
Yep! Apparently trying to make 3D games for the Saturn was a TON of work just to make the hardware attempt a 3D arena where characters could move around like in Crash Bandicoot.
@@pixelbrolee It was not that hard, Virtua Fighter, Daytona, Virtua Racing and many other games were great 3D ports, the Saturn board itseld was based of an AM board Sega had used for it's 3d arcade games.
As far as I know the 32X was ordered by Nakayama himself, as answer to the Jaguar. SOA actually wanted to continue with the Genesis but they had to develop that thing.
Yep :( that was my understanding too, actually. Kalinske thougth the Genesis had a little more juice in it, and he was right! Nintendo did fine with the SNES in the wake of the PS1 and Saturn at first because people still wanted quality 2D games.
Kalinskie actually got fired from Sega.
That’s sort of what he has always maintained in interviews. The book console wars was based on private interviews with Kalinske and his associates.
However we’ve never heard Japan’s side of the story….until now, and they’ve come bearing reciepts as they say.
Essentially, Kalinske got sales of the Genesis up, but at a huge cost to Sega. Cutting the price of the Genesis, his nonstop marketing, and unfavorable deals with wal-mart and target all got the Genesis out there and into people’s homes, but Sega lost tens of millions of dollars to make that happen.
I think Kalinske was banking on the idea that the Sega Genesis was going to be around for years to come as a lower cost alternative to newer consoles like the Saturn or PlayStation. He saw a future with the Gensis and 32X as “entry level” videogame devices for the masses, which could then be adorned with endless accesories and software….eventually allowing it to turn a huge profit.
I dont think he realized what everyone knows now: when new consoles enter the market the consumer and game developers move on together.
Sega of Japan wanted Kalinske to drastically cut back costs at Sega of America. They wanted to close all the divisions they expanded into, and probably demanded he end his relationship with big box stores that had buy back policies that were crippling the company. If Sega had unsold goods sitting on the shelves, like the 32X for instance, then they were required to buy those goods back at massive loss.
Kalinske likes to maintain that Sega ended their relationship with these big box stores because of the surprise launch of the Saturn, but I strongly suspect Sega of Japan actually ended the relationship with big box stores deliberately when they finally ascertained the cost of doing business. This is probably the real reason why the saturn and Dreamcast were never sold at stores like walmart or target.
In the end Kalinsk was unsuccessful in his late stage measures to keep Sega of America from losing money and so he was asked to step down….which is how corporate executives are cordially fired….and he was replaced by Shoichiro Irimajiri, the former vice president of Honda motors.
Those are some really interesting points. I hadn't considered the big box thing. I still have a lot of respect for the man, though. Not a perfect history, but he seemed like he worked his butt off.
SEGA of Japan were jealous of SEGA of America’s nimbleness.
Yeah! SoA was on their feet for a while!
@@pixelbrolee indeed! They made everything cool for gaming back in the day.
You can see on paper a way into the 32 bit era to current owner base at a cheap price looked good on paper but the 32X was a mistake and cost so much for Sega. Glad the Saturn did not go the SGi route, Just look how ugly N64 games turned out and imagine that tech 2 years younger and it would have been terrible, Japanese games were always better that US ones and what Sega should have done was make the Saturn dev kits simple to work with and make it a one cpu system.
Dude- I think if the Saturn had just focused on the 2D games, it would have rocked and rolled. Same thing across it all, actually! 2D genesis, 32x, and saturn makes more sense, but I guess those were the ways of the time- gotta chase that 3d!
In the 90sh the name of the game was 3d, while a 2d focused 5th gen console from saga sounds great today, fan and critics were in a mess psychosis where 2d = bad, and 3D = good, just look at capcom 2d games on the ps1 reviews of the time. @@pixelbrolee
@@pixelbrolee after the release of Virtua Fighter, Star Fox, Daytona and other games, the whole 1994s and 1995s public were real crazy and cravy of 3-D titles. Saturn was actually pretty good at 3D its virtua fighter and Daytona, Virtua Racing versions were good. Marketing was bad, and developing focus was terrible both by Sega and other developers, it wasn't THAT hard to program for.
The nintendo 64 games looked ugly because nintendo used cartridges which held a lot less memory than CDs.
@@unassailable6138 the system is good if not better than the ps1 in 3d (just look at the homebraw scene to see how people push the system to its limits, the problem was difficulty of developing for it, Saga in house teams had a hard time making 3d games on it, while on the ps1 side of things the system was designed with 3d in mind from day one, so it was easier to make and poet arcade games to it at the time, while the Saturn was designed to be a 2d machine first and foremost, and was slapped with another cpu at the last second to give it more umph to the system, it did it but it made things more difficult for the devs, but In turn its already beefy 2d capabilities were further enhanced.
But like I said, sadly 2d was not popular at the time as 3d was the new kid on the block, most 2d games were getting butchered in critic reviews for being 2d, and people were more interested in 3d games to the point that good 2d games were left forgotten on the shelves while the mid 3d game was snatched up.
Kalinske is about to be 80 years old
:O that's wild to think about. Guess I ain't no spring chicken either
@@pixelbrolee it’s his 80th birthday today now!!! 🎂
Hearing the story of Sega's downfall makes me so sad, too busy micromanaging when they could've been dropping bangers...
Also hearing that they dropped Silicon and Sony makes me scream, they really could've been on top of the world. 😞
YEP :(! It bums me that Kalinske found a solution and was simply told no.
If there's one thing Sega keeps remind us , is that the thing they are the best at, is making bad decisions
hahaha It certainly seemed that way back then!!
Good consoles and software with bad business decisions
What a shame
True but SNK (King of Fighters, Samurai Shodown etc) is worse at making bad decisions then Sega
Really makes me miss the old days when games were fun and Sega was in your face while SoA doing it the right way. 😢
Yep! Looking back on their advertising, it was super aggressive, but super fun. I loved it. SEGA!
Sega Japan were so butthurt over Kalinske actually delivery success to the company on the North American side, they decided to undermine him to the point that it led to them killing their console business in the long run. In hindsight Sega got what they deserved.
I tend to agree with you over the cause. I really hate hat it worked out that way :(
In a timeline where Sega of Japan acknowledged Tom's excellence, we would have Sega king of the consoles.
Oh it's incredible to think about what Sega could have done!
Obviously, SOJ never heard the term if it ain't broke don't fix it.
I mean, you can say what you want about Nintendo but they still have a console and Sega doesn’t 🤷
Yeeeeeaaa lol That's totally fair! Nintendo is archaic at times, it seems, but it also seems to have served them well over the years, right?!
@@pixelbrolee it is fair lol how’s it not?
@@pixelbrolee in fairness Nintendo has supported Sega the past 2 decades.
Sega of Japan: Hires Tom Kalinske to run Sega of America
Also SOJ: Undermines Kalinske for doing the job he was EFFING HIRED TO DO every chance they've gotten until he quits the company
SOJ: Hires former, alleged (at least to me), and now-late Sony Computer Entertainment America plant Bernie Stolar to run the company afterward
Stolar: Practically hands over the revenue to the competition with his idiotic business decisions
So... was Tom the cause? or Nakatama's stubbornness rejecting everything due to envy against Sega of America?
I believe is the second
I agree with you that it's the second. I'm sure there's blame to share somewhere, but this is the story I've heard!
I wasn't a huge fan of the US-created Sega games then. Night Trap was one exception though. I preferred Japanese games because they focused more on detailed, colorful graphics and the music was engaging. Michael Katz did a better job running Sega of America as they weren't trying to do their own thing and instead just ported the Sega of Japan games.
Ya know... I need to look into Katz. I'd heard a good deal about him across the several video game books and podcasts I've listened to, but, of course, I focused on Kalinske for Sega and sort of just meld those two together.
We missed out on some GREAT Japanese games all around, for sure, and the saturn makes that wildly evident.
It's funny how many times Japanese company stand in the way of their own success.
I'm sure there are some cultural things that I am sort of ham-fisting, but, from my perspective, sometimes it just doesn't make sense!
So Sega Japan killed Sega, I could be playing a Segastation 5 right now, you're just making me want to collect Sega.
Sega definitely has some odd stuff, but I really like it for the most part!!!
😂
Even with the files that leaked a year or so ago it’s still evident that Tom was doing the right thing. The main points against Tom being SOA pushing for the 32x and the massive amount of stock going unsold. That was retailers puttingSega at a disadvantage to make sure they had sufficient stock. It’s still evident that SOJ wanted to focus on 2D regardless of the market beginning to obsess over 3D gaming and it was still SOJ that launched the Saturn ahead of schedule before anyone was ready for it or even aware of it making it dead on arrival. Tom was always the one that pushed for a lower price point too. I bet as a business man he knew they needed to price the Saturn at $299 but Tom was so done with the company at that point that he let SOJ find out for themselves. I don’t blame him!
Office politics causes all sorts of organizational dysfunction. A lot of people show up to work each day doing what's best for THEM, not for the company they work for. That attitude creates scenarios like the feud between Sega of Japan and Sega of America.
good point! Office politics certainly get messy!
Its a great video, love to hear insights about what went wrong when i was just a wee kid but heavily favoured sega over everything else! As some constructive thoughts id like to share, there are quite a few times where you repeat yourself and i think it would help a lot, if you could give very concrete examples where sega of japan clashed with SOA :)
Also, screw the 32x, what a horrible abomination :(
Thank you so dearly for the constructive feedback! Many people have no interest in being constructive with their feedback on the internet! I'll definitely be more mindful of these things for future videos
@@pixelbrolee sure! Looking forward to your future vids! Keep up the good work and your awsm attitude
That Dreamcast/3DFX disaster could have been the saving grace for SEGA. I couldn’t believe that one.
Yep. Heartbreaking, really.
That could've been avoided if they didn't agree with 3DFX with that development. The Katana Hardware ended up being the better choice in my opinion but they could've avoid losing money if they didn't do that contract to get Voodoo Graphics for the Dreamcast. That tech was later given to Konami for their arcade boards.
man i like metroid and zelda but i do now miss sega thay got games we just would never see if not for them alot of rare early now stuff from japan and if you had chips my freinds did we were playing weird golden axa games that never made it to the states i grew up in santa cruz so right next to san josa as kids we got to see alot of cool stuff before internet
Dude thats amazing! I bet the location for real helped out a lot! I'm in the depths of Appalachia so it was rare to even see Saturn stuff haha
Awesome video. Glad CZcams recommended it to me. You have a great speaking voice that really works well with these mini documentary style videos. Going to go check out some more of your videos.
My goodness. Thank you so dearly for the encouragement! Welcome to the channel! It's so rare to find positivity at times on the internet. Thank you for being a source of it!
Well he jumped off a SINKING SHIP………………..
Heard that bubby!
I'd have done the same thing too, sega jp sounds like it wanted to tank the company
Unfortunately. I don't know all the details, but these are pretty consistent with many sources!
Still to this today i would prefer Sega in place of Xbox. There games, their hardware, their exclusives were just so much better. I love Xbox, but Sega was just something else.
Yeah! I think I'm going to have to agree. I like xbox but sega in place would be been pretty awesome!
My favorite system is Nintendo I've lost count how many times Id play my Nintendo while on the way to the doctor specialist for me and my sister. Long hours in the car and then playing a game while I'm getting my IV infusion every 3 weeks it passes the time for me so I like Nintendo but then Xbox that's what me and all my siblings played the most.
I played a lot of pc growing up, but my heart is still with Nintendo! Loved my genesis too! ♡ glad you're still around, friend.
I loved the Genesis and their IP, I moved to Genesis from the NES, I really enjoyed Nintendos IP as well, but after the Genesis Sega just made a series of the dumbest moves I've ever seen. It's too bad, all they had to do was keep it together and keep their image as the game system for adults. Apparently that was just too much to ask for Sega to figure that out.
Yep! It's a bummer to see how far they fell when they had so much going for them! Simplicity and staying the path could have really helped them!
Kalinski probably earned more money than anything at Sega behind only the Blue Blur.
Dude I bet you're right. He was almost the cash cow that anything else was. Man was a golden goose, and Sega of Japan wasn't having it :( I mean, who buys a golden goose and then gets jealous that it lays golden eggs?!
Sega of America when I was growing up was like your edgy goth friend who listens to rap were Nintendo of America was your goody two shoes cousin
haha that's pretty on point! Good comparison. Thanks for watching and commenting, btw :)
это конечно шизофрения но не это страшно а страшно то что после mega drive никто не смог предложить ничего хорошего
That's true! The Genesis was a beast!
@@pixelbrolee у меня есть mega drive рядом лежит и телевизор к нему sharp ностальгия
many such cases
Mhm!
I am still mad that Sega of Japan killed off Eternal champions
Dude. That shadow girl... mmm. Had me feeling ways back in 1993 or so lol
I still salty over that.
Here is 24 k gold Sega na na super man no here
preach!
確かに社内対立はあったが、主に佐藤秀樹と入交昭一郎との路線対立。決定権は大川功。申し訳ないがSOAは舞台に上がれずに佐藤と入交の対立の道具に使われたに過ぎない。SOAを過大評価し過ぎているよ、この動画や欧米の人は。
成功も失敗も日本のセガの責任。
北米が世界一のゲーム大国になった現在では考えられないだろうけど、当時は日本で勝たなければハード戦争に勝ったとは言えなかった。だから北米の意見は軽視された。現地法人に過ぎないSOAが何か言っても任天堂とソニーに勝てるわけなかったよ
I appreciate your candor and opinion, but that is contrary to the history that I have heard. Sega had a lead in marke share over Nintendo at one point in NA. When did it switch to the win being based on NA? It had to be extremely early 90s! If you have more to share, I'd love to hear it! Thanks for sharing!
@@pixelbrolee 一時期セガが任天堂を上回って、それで日本でセガが逆転しましたか？ 何度も言うが、あの時代は日本で勝たないと意味がなかった。北米で勝っても何の意味もない証拠。
Kalinski is an anti hiro
Ayyy I like it!
Nakayama was the real villain
i got to hand it to american gamers, they have a good amount of smug selfimportance compensating for things happening right now, if we didn't see the rise of shitty classic-only sonic fantards in the 2000s, the war between palinstine and isreal wouldn't be a huge problem, now would it
Whoooooa lol
процессор super hitachi 2 не плохой можно использовать его одного а вот графический процессор говно плохое освещение 8 битные текстуры и цвета нет эффекта полупрозрачности
Oh yeah! I saw the attempted translucency was an issue!
@@pixelbrolee с видео процессор плохо работает если сравнить с 3do это не простительная проблема плохое освещение
*NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO*
Search your feelings; you know this to be true.
Chips have feelings s to lol
also, sonic bashers have done nothing but release abysmal quality since 2007, blazehedgehog sucks, augierfc is a joke, tgxgamereviews blows, eurogamer is a laughingstock, all of the sonic series's detractors are down on their luck, they have to let everyone criticitse them for the better of humanity, it's their fault why humanity is in the place it's now
Phew. That is a wild claim that their the issue with humanity! Holy moley! To each their own, though! Thanks for watching and sharing your ideas!
thing is, it's not just Sega of Japan fault when in reality it was the fact that American retailers forced Sega to prouduce handreds of tousands of units from software and hardware, with Sega paying money to all the stock that would go unsold, and with a very little amount sold, this costed the company billions of dollars from 1994 to 1995, and to 1996 , and it's specifically due to Sega of America clinging to the Sega Genesis and even Sega's of Japan willingness to help them rather than simply moving to the new system, hence why the 32x exist,
if I were to tell you even more information, than I would tell you that EVEN Sega of Japan CEO Hayao Nakayama was PROUD of Sega of America's success, YES they did not listen to the American branch, but that's only due to money losses of billion of dollars, and that Sega of Japan spent TWO YEARS of blood and sweat working on the technology of the Sega Saturn technology, only for the American branch to tell them to throw all that away just because they had a deal with Silicon Graphics, as well as the fact that it was SONY OF JAPAN and Ken Kutaragi who refused to work with Sega of Japan due to Sega's technology lacking in terms of power compared to theirs, as well as demanding a measure of control that was too much for Sega to give, hence a that console collaboration between Sega and Sony did not come to fruition, and the fact that most high quality games did came from Sega of Japan, and even from japanese developers in general back in the 90s, specifically when that there was good wwestern games there and there, western developers had a long way to come up until 2000s, a problem that even Sega Technical Institue had, proving that Tom Kalinske did not had that much eye when it comes to quality game design
if you don't believe me , than here is my answer for you
watch a video called "Sega FY 1997 - The Slow Death of a Titan" it's a video that explain some of the hidden truth behind Sega of Japan and Sega of America's failure that explains why the japanese branch needed to interfere, specifically from 54: 02 of that video up to 1: 00 14 of the video to realize the truth, even though you'll still have to watch up until 1: 05: 02 of it for a better understanding
other sources, which i advice to watch later, are a podcast i found by searching it in google named as, "TCW Podcast Episode 127 - Dreams of Sega", as well as a web site named as "Mega Drive Shock"
Thanks for sharing this information! I'll have to check that out! Billions of dollars, you say? Wow!
I’ve never heard this! That’s an amazing story! We had all three consoles (as kids because there was a lot of us and me and my siblings were all teenage aged and could work) and despite the lack of software the N64 could pump out the best visuals of the three at the time, bar none. I think Nintendo cast some voodoo on Sega. Nintendo magically winds up with the chip that could have easily eaten their lunch had it been in the Saturn. This is an amazing tale. Could you imagine Comic Zone and Eternal Champions with a machine with that level of power?
Gahhhhh That would have been amazing. Studying this gave me a little better insight in the capabilities of different chips, which makes me wish that the Saturn would have really pushed for more 2D content- I guess 3D was all the rage at that point though! Thanks for taking time to comment!
Uh..... The way I heard the story was different. I understand where Sega of Japan was coming from, though. It was a pride issue. The Japanese wanted to be taken seriously, they wanted to be competitive in the world market and seem like a powerhouse in the world. What Nakayama didn't understand what Tom Kalinskis success reflected on Nakayama. Kalinski would make Nakayama look good. Nakayama had it right at first when he brought on Tom Kalinski. One of the mottos of business is: You don't have to be smart in business to find success, you just have to surround yourself with smart people. Nakayama and his Japanese crew couldn't handle the US market could do it better, but that's just how it is, Americans know how to market. Our quality sucks (Ford, Chevy, Harley) but we know how to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed or sell a ketchup popsicle to a woman in white gloves, we can sell that piece of crap and make people believe in it. Japanese are the opposite, their design and manufacture is superb but their marketing is trash. (PlayStation vs Xbox). Xbox are crap and fail on you, but Microsoft's strength has always been marketing. PlayStation? Quality hardware "What do you mean Doc? All the best stuff is made in Japan." But PlayStation's marketing has always been weak, who knows what the issue is. So, that's the thing, Nakayama couldn't accept Tom Kalinski's success as his own, which was a shame.
Uh, which takes me to Silicone Graphics. Success in the business world is networking and making friends. I don't think Tom Kalinski was friends with the guy prior to his "betrayal". SEGA had companies seeing Segas success and wanting to get in on the market, they went to Sega asking Sega to be a part of Sega. Japan already had Saturn going and, again, due to pride didn't want the US outdoing them and.... Ergh, I couldn't remember her name and it threw off my train of thought so thus could be scattered, but Ellen Beth Van Buskirk stated she felt Sega of Japan employees were tired of Japanese Executives coming into their offices and being pressured and questioned, to the point of embarrassment, why they weren't as good as Sega of America. This was a problem that existed even as Sonic the Hedgehog was birthed so, I can see where Sega of Japan was coming from, but as I understand the story to go, Silicone Graphics approached Tom Kalinski and said they had a new chip they felt would be perfect for Segas new console. Kalinski tells Nakayama about it and Nakayama, probably again wondering if the Americans are going to outdo him, he wanted to see where they maybe were falling short. Nakayama shuts Kalinski down and gives him a really lame excuse that "it's wasteful of too much silicone". The guy at Silicone is feeling pretty crushed and Tom has some empathy for the guy and says well, there's this company called Nintendo. The thing is, Tom was actually buddies with Howard Lincoln before his time at Sega, they knew each other but the rivalry between Sega and Nintendo did funny things to them. Anyway, that's my understanding of the story, that Silicone approached Sega and Nakayama shut them down so Kalinski, wanting to see Silicone succeed, because Kalinski has nothing against them, Nakayama and a jealous Japan does so, Tom made a friend in the industry that day. I think Tom was getting burnt out on Sega too, he was taking the heat for a lot of Sega of Americas issues seen by Sega of Japan. I think Tom was shocked Olaf Olaffson didn't approach him first but instead talked to Steve Race. Race probably did a lot of the negotiations and middleman work between Sega and Sony with the Sega CD and other partnerships but, again, Nakayama overrides the decision to partner with Sony, Sony goes their own way and Nakayama probably ate his words that day. Of course, once Kalinski was gone and the new CEO of Sega of America came in, Okawa wasn't any easier to work with and SOAs successor to Kalinski didn't last long and was gone before the launch of the Dreamcast leaving a Peter Moore to helm the launch of the Dreamcast. So, that's my understanding. There wasn't a very deep relationship, it was out of nowhere that Silicone who knew of SEGAs success came to Sega with a chipset Tom saw as revolutionary and because S.G. was trying to take care of Sega, Tom wanted to take care of S.G. and not leave them out in the cold. The only competition or other place they could go was Nintendo.
I'd also add that even Sega of America had their own problems. Kalinski knew the success of the Sega Genesis name so everything associated with and grew off of that was a good thing for him, starting over made him nervous and he knew that with his experience with Barbie, that it had such a strong presence in the consumer culture that leaving it behind was absurd to Kalinski, the name was far too strong and he felt the same with Genesis but, that's not how the industry worked, the Saturn was inevitable and had to be, Nintendo was doing the same thing, they were getting the Nintendo Ultra 64 ready and were nervous by PlayStation's success, they knew Sony had been scorned and knew their reputation in the consumer electronics world and to this day, maybe, are still regretting it, who knows but then HOWEVER! SEGA of Americas flaw is really surprising. SEGA of America had to approve any game coming out of Japan and localized in the United States. This was difficult because very few Sega of America staff spoke Japanese and vice-versa so translating games into English was expensive and time consuming, thankfully we got at least some of the games courtesy of Working Designs but so many good games for the Sega Saturn were left in Japan American gamers never saw. If the Saturn would've had a better launch, meaning Japan being patient and making sure stores had solid stock, the price was at least $50 cheaper, Sega has a Sonic game for Saturn, and more of the Japanese games saw localization, Sega would still be here today but, nope. SEGA of America restricted most of Sega Saturns best games only the Japanese had but, again, organization problems where the language barrier caused issues. To this day, you see companies learned from Sega making sure overseas and Stateside divisions got along and were on the same page. Had there not been so much animosity between the two, yeah, I guarantee you Sega would still be around today. But, Nakayama was a paranoid dictator and Okawa was a ruthless dictator as well so, there ya have it
I actually don't think you heard a DIFFERENT story, really lol what you've shared here doesn't starkly contrast the points of my video. You actually just detailed more! It's a great bit of history and I think you more or less filled in some other gaps in your comment here! Thanks! Good stuff. I appreciate you taking time to share this.
Sega of America didn't know what it was doing
Doesn't seem like SoJ did either!
@@pixelbrolee so you would apply this to modern publishers to this too by any chance? like sony and nintendo, they barely makes games that feel like them, nintendo's modern ones all feel like filter tripe
exception being tears of the kingdom and modern pokemon
Oh you mean the guy who was responsible for manufacturing an excess of cartridges so that Sega was bleeding money? The guy who okayed the 32X? The guy who came up with the Saturn's premature release date in North America?
Yeah, funny how that never gets brought up.
Did he come up with the premature release date? I didn't think that was Kalinske? I didn't know about the excess of cartridges! I haven't heard that one.
@@pixelbrolee The way Kalinske tells it in Console Wars, the Saturn surprise launch was pushed on SOA because Nakayama wanted to get a jump on Sony's Playstation despite Tom insisting that the Genesis still had some life left in it.
also sold licensing fees to trip hawkins, so ea could illegally publish games on genesis
He's the main reason why Saturn failed in NA.
Oh wow! Really?
@@pixelbrolee Yes, but then again, the Saturn despite its failure, it's still cherished by its wonderful hardware and the fantastic library of games.