Delta Force LAUGHS At SEAL Team 6 Comparison
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- Former Delta Force operator Bob Porras (callsign Ninja) speaks with David Hookstead about the rivalry between SEAL Team 6 and The Unit. Who is truly better?
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You are evil for asking such a question to escalate division. The majority couldn't do either one. The nonsense in people is top notch! No matter who is best or better, people risks their lives regardless if civilians agree with it or not. For those whose heart was willing to be a sacrifice is honorable in itself. Shame on you for reducing it down to ego & pride in comparisons! If you don't have anything worthwhile to say then SHIT UP !!!
Shawn Ryan
when Hollywood made a movie called Navy Seals it starred Charlie Sheen, when they made Delta Force movies it starred Chuck Norris.
This comment deserves way more likes
Different tools for different problems. If I have a plane full of hostages on a runway, I’m calling Delta. If I’ve got an oil rig or ship full of hostages, calling the Seals. They are both great teams. And all of them deserve our thanks for the work they do.
Ask Msgt Chapman about Seal team Six and how they left him to die.
sorta. i guess that would be true if they were actually consistently employed that way. but we've seen so many situations where SEALS get mis-used and, if I'm being blunt as a former 0311, are sometimes a tad too arrogant to realize it.
All army SF, including Delta of course, is infantry at its core. SEALS are "frogmen" at their core. It results in a huge difference in training, IRL mission planning and of course IRL execution. The stuff leading up to Anaconda and then of course Red Wings are the two most famous examples but if you were a deployed Ranger or a MEU-SOC grunt who supported SF missions, you saw a lot of those differences play out day to day in much less famous situations.
In fairness, I do I think that changed quite a bit as the GWOT dragged on and SEALS adapted to the way they were being employed. It'll be interesting to see what happens as all the branches look to find new identities in the post GWOT world. Semper Fi.
If you need to balance a beach ball on a nose, Seals all day baby 😂😂😂
@@oldgrunt5569 very well said
@@bon-a-petite9224I read a book on the war on terror and the author claimed the reason Delta was picked to take out the leader of Isis was because the Seals couldn’t be trusted to be discreet with mission details.
So, I had a relative try out for Delta, a couple years ago now. He wasnt selected. They were VERY professional about it with him too. Simply put, he wasnt mentally mature enough for them. He got the physical stuff, but the mental thing is simply something that is either there, or it isnt.
He was deflated, and called me that night. I told him, quite simply, he had that opportunity. He had the honor of trying what 99.9% of men will NEVER try, and of those that do, a very, VERY small percentage actually get selected. Hell, they might have only been looking to take on one soldier for all he knew.
Life works like that sometimes. All you can do, is your best.
I know 3 top tier experienced special forces officers who tired out for the unit. 1 of them made it. These are air assault, airborne, ranger tab, and physical studs, college athletes...and they still didn't make it
Pays to be a winner princess. Oops
A "Medal Of Honor" Recipient Said...."Always Do Your Best...Then Do One Better"...His Hat Was Inscribed "Go For Broke"....💪🏼....✌🏼
Just to get SELECTED to try out for Delta separates you from the 99.9%.
He should be pissed; he's a failure.
The SEALs seem way better at writing books.
Yeah English Lit must be a major part of BUDS
LOL
They have better hair too
The publisher employs superb ghost writers.
So is your mom.. SEALS are in and out, get the job done and go home.. Delta hangs out, makes friends, and gather info before the do anything else.. There’s a reason why bin Ladin was taken out by seals and not delta..
I’m Marine Recon retired,, All this rivalry between the Spec Op units is bullshit, there’s much more respect and admiration between these operators than dissension , whether it be the SEAL teams, Delta, Para Rescue jumpers, Rangers , or Force Recon, we all are highly trained professionals who do our jobs quite well, it’s just clickbate
SO glad you posted this. I have heard something along the same lines from someone who attended Ranger school in the '90's. He attained the tab but was actually an MP officer. From what I understand, the military Spec Ops community actually work quite a bit with each other. Battle of Mogadishu there were Air Force Para Rescue jumpers and Navy Seals in the battle with Rangers and Delta.
Don't mean to flex, but myself, I was a track mechanic in the Army. Trained to change engine oil, swap engines-transmissions, change large sections of track. Sometimes working over 24 hours straight get Bradleys and mortar track carriers back online and into the fight. But I dislike bragging.
It's become common-place for YT "creators" to feed the narrative for clicks/likes. It's everywhere.
Since when is Marine Force 8:14 Recon considered a SMU?
Great response. We civillians get caught up in the drama but don't have the perspective of those who have actually done (and do) this stuff.
Don’t forget TACP
If President wants everyone to know, he'll send Seal Team 6, but if he doesn't want anyone to know, he'll send Delta Force.
It’s the president who put it in the news, BinLaden.
Oh is that right
Asked an SF medic at BAMC in 05 the same question. He said SF guys are older with a higher military skill set and just more mature. One or two go out to get a beer and chill. SEALS were young dudes. Whole platoon goes to the bar, starts a fight and gets sent home.
Great , honest comparison!! This gentleman gives great interviews. Obviously a warrior who has seen it and been there. So refreshing
Bob Porras is an absolute legend. Recognize this.
Legend? Really?
I went through the Q Course in 68 and always had a Seal or two imbedded with us. The Seals made a lot more money, drove flashy cars and liked talking more. Years later when they coined the SF troops as the "quiet professionals" I wasn't surprised. The first thing we learned in SF was that your most powerful weapon was your brain. That being said, it seemed prudent to keep a low profile and, for the most part, that's how SF rolls.
Boo hoo 😂
Your full of it
@@paulmiskell3988More accurate than someone commenting purely to troll. Whether he did or didn’t his words have more legitimacy than you simply not believing him.
It isn't pay grade. You need to look it up.
There’s jump pays and combat pays too and it’s other things that most people don’t realize. The pay grades are the same but there’s extra stuff that you get more. For people who said “You’re full of BS” they need to look into that.
I wouldn’t want to be on the receiving end of a visit in a hostile environment from either one of them.
Why not? Fun times. Cheep cheep cheep 🗿
I want to confront them.
@@shahbaqar021 I'm sure you do Baq.
Exactly. It doesn't matter what patch is on their arm busting through the door. Either way, I'd be saying my prayers.
Both are awesome. Delta has for sure been more professional about keeping their mouth shut about OPs and looking ahead to the next one rather than seeking glory.
you mean like Charlie Beckwith's book, Hanley's book, and a few dozen others? You mean like Chuck Norris?
@@sandypidgeon4343Thank you! lol people like to talk smack now that the SEALs have the limelight, but delta didn’t get hate when they had the spotlight and even had a movie and game named after them.
@@ChrisHoward141 that's for sure, brutha. I have some friends that were DELTA operators and most of my guys went to DEVGRU and some other gov agencies. It is usually good-natured, but, there are some guys who actively go after the Teams. Seems as some point they might want to be a bit more introspective on their own lessons-learned. I will say Pete Blaber's book on leadership is very good. GOD Bless
@@sandypidgeon4343 Glad we can agree, they’re both amazing units and we need to appreciate them both. God bless you too👍
The interviewee seems super honest and super humble.
FYI - Bob was the actually first first two part interview on Shawn Ryan show. I think it was something around 8 hours total.
You know who's the best when they are quiet and lowkey about themselves.
lol except the thousands podcasts complaining and talking about how they’re better than seals…
Funny how they will always argue over who’s the best. We love them all
Known guys in both, have fam that personally worked with Commander Marcinko as well. I never heard any sniping about either one. Healthy competition can be good, but I'm proud of all of them.
One correction: The Navy does have Combat Arms, but the majority of it is Brown Water/Littoral. 👍
God bless you all! I’m thankful there are men like you out there to protect me. Mad respect for what you all do! Go ARMY!
If I was a hostage and had a choice I’d absolutely choose Delta to rescue me. You never hear about them backstabbing, lying or betraying each other. They seem to me to be the true quiet professionals.
If you were a hostage and men with American flag patches showed up in the middle of the night and killed everyone around you in order to set you free, A. you'd be extremely thankful for them saving your life. B. you probably may never know if it was Delta or Devgru that were the men behind the guns and the enemy sure as hell wouldn't.
I find comments like your extremely disrespectful. Especially in the comment section of a "quiet professional" speaking about his former profession. Both groups are among the best on the planet and each are better than the other in more specific skill sets. TO claim one or the other are more professional than the other is subjective, at best and the only reason you're even hearing about it is because people like you have made a market for it.
Jessica lynch, captain phillips, Jessica Buchanan would disagree. What are you talking about. Devgru trains hostage rescue almost to the diminishment of other skill sets
Quiet professionals? Lol on a video of a delta guy doing the exact opposite of being quiet. You can find more delta interviews than ST6 guys on CZcams..
@@Danlovestrivium Saying I respect Delta is disrespectful?
I’m aware hostages don’t get a choice and that they don’t advertise who rescued them.
From my limited knowledge I have great respect for anyone who makes the sacrifice and puts themselves in danger to help other people. SFOD-D just happens to be my favorite.
I’m not sure why you find that “extremely disrespectful” I’m guessing you do as well and it is some other group.
@@AN-wp6fn Those seals stole the Captain Phillips ransom money. Pieces of garbage that they are.
Director of the CIA: Mr. President, we found Bin Laden.
President: Send Seal Team Six.
Team 6 only got the nod because it had been assigned that area of the world at the time. Delta was overseeing Syria.
Yes because that was all legit…lol.
Delta located him then were pulled off and sent on yet another mission...read some books on the entire mission.
Because the head of JSOC at the time was Admiral Mcraven, a Navy guy.
@@dougmyers6013Delta located him?
Ninja looks like one badass dude. And at the same time a kindest, most patient dad kind of guy.
so now you know him.
@@deathfire096
Only an impression, my friend. I do not know him.
During my entire 22 years in the Army as a grunt who had the pleasure of working and training with both units, all the guys from both were outstanding but not one Delta guy ever said they wanted to go to Devgru but i knew of a couple seals that went to Delta
Great takeaway for me when the conversation went to being ready and knowing. Belief is the Enemy of Knowing. Personal reliability. I appreciate the conversation.
It’s pointless to ask which team is better. Each team serves a specific purpose based on their skills and the mission at hand. Who cares about who writes books and all the other stuff?? Both are great teams and most people don’t have what it takes to try out for either one, let along what it takes to make it. Thank God for both groups.
Yea the seals bring us many great books and movies after all.
Our Delta guest seems down to earth & grounded.
Like the one murdered and dumped in a field in Bragg?
The only time I trained under a delta guy it was a brutal experience of learning MOUT. Guys are excellent for a reason and demand excellence.
Great guys. Very professional.
I went to PLDC at FT Bragg in 1984 and delta was located across the street, that’s the closest I got to delta force.
That was when their base was the old Bragg stockade. It was right down the road from an intersection in the middle of Bragg...a KFC on the left of the intersection and a McDonald's on the other side of the intersection. Now it is SF Headquarters...Delta moved to their new compound further back into Bragg around 1986.
@@CoolestDude38NCyes now they are the red roof near 82nd heavy drop facility. Out in the woods.
@@gatekeeper3660 yeah I know where that is. And out in the woods is where they wannabe.
I went to 0431 training on Coronado Island in 1991….thats as close as I got to the SEALs🤣we’d size them up in the mess hall like….they don’t look so tough🤣looks can fool you.
DJ Shipley stated in his interview with Sean Ryan that roughly 20-25 SEALs I believe it was made it to SEAL Team Six. There was a Delta guy who was recorded, when asked about his selection attrition rate, said 100 entered and 5 made it. They are both the best of the best, and only a few (S.A.S, PJ's etc.) can rival them. But is widely regarded, that Delta is the best of them all.
So you based the selection process by 1 operator and 1 class? LOL Deep. It varies by class and demand of the military. If operators are dying in war, the military will select more than peace time. Widely regarded by who? They are both Tier 1. Both can do any mission demanded of them.
DEVGRU select from existing SEAL service. They do not allow any other outside service to partake so the numbers cannot be cross compared.
I think the Air Force Combat Controllers and PJ’S also deserve some respect
I have respect for both Navy SEALs and Delta operators. While I never met a Delta Operator in person I do know my DI from Basic (Fort Leonard Wood) supposedly was selected back in 1988. I sometimes wonder whatever happened to him. We also had a SEAL, Army Ranger, and Green Beret train with us at Fort Sam Houston for Medic school. They were all quiet and kept to themselves. No interaction with us regular army dudes at all lol.
Bob is absolutely correct..the only unit in the Navy that have infantry training are the Seabees..
I truly believe this fact is an issue for ST6. I believe it makes for a discipline problem for them, basic infantry-ing is tough and u need a degree of discipline to be good at it
I worked with Seabees as an engineer in the army and I respect them so much.
Navy Corpsman have infantry training. SWCC and EOD have some experience and cross over to SEAL teams
@@robarmstrong5404 Navy Corpsman have infantry training when they go green side USMC or SEAL Team, but normal Corpsman don't....
@@robarmstrong5404 that's a given .
He said it best, delta gets guys that are mostly already SF dudes. So they already start off ahead. Its like whos better, NFL rookies or an All Pro team? Its really a dumb question. Hats off to all of them. Bullets, RPGs and IEDs dont care about age, unit or training. We owe it to anybody that goes down range.
Ooh. Wouldn't quite go so far as to compare a SEAL team to rookies... LOL
@jakester455 rookies in the NFL are still nfl players there just new to the league.
The comparison is seals are mostly new to SF and delta are mostly veteran SF guys. Don't get distracted .
Green berets, rangers, and raiders are all comparable to regular seals. Delta still better though .
Again, Delta recruits from Seal teams, feeder units getting compared to destination units. Also, Rangers are pretty dissimilar to Seals, way different mission sets/capabilities.
I thought the DevGru guys all had to be SEALs already with at least one combat deployment.
These specialized forces have unique missions which is why they were created. It's similar to why we have so many different aircraft, ships, etc. They all were created for a specific need and mission so it's hard to compare them against each other. It's like comparing an H-60 to a C-130. Both are great at what they were designed for.
A former Special Forces (aka Green Beret) told me that you don't ask to join Delta Force, they invite you to try out. And a friend who is a former Army Ranger said, in talking about the Rangers, "We're only seen when we want to be seen."
I spent a few years with SWCC in Little Creek. The difference between SEALS and Delta? The cold, dark, violent ocean. Anyone can learn land warfare. However, the ocean cripples the toughest of men. During training, I was so cold I started jack hammering. I crushed two molars because I couldn't stop shaking. Both teeth ended up getting pulled 15 years later. At the time, I wished I had joined the Army or Marines.
I spent enough time in to know and recognize that every military member, AND BRANCH, has a place and served a critical role. For example? Everyone shits on the Air Force until they start dropping JDAMS danger close and you survive...
Sticks and stones may break your bones………..but JDAMS leave no DNA trace evidence!!
Perfectly said. I was a boat guy doing brown water ops and picked up and dropped off all number of SF and the main difference is operating in the cold, dark ocean. The sea is a cruel mistress.
Haha what is it about navy guys that they think they have it so hard. Wish you were a soldier or marine? Lol come on over try it out.
@@SteveMcFry I have to say that Navy SEAL training is elite BUT I was thrashed to my breaking point day in & day out at Parris Island (3rd Bat. Lima Co. Plt. 3164) back in the 90s. I don't know of too many Navy guys that had that kind of introduction to the service. So, I'm fairly certain with that kind of foundation, I would've done well in SEAL training. Maybe not a stellar candidate but I can guarantee you that I would have NEVER been caught ringing that fucking bell. I COULD HACK IT SO I DIDN'T HAVE TO PACK IT, SIR!!
@@SteveMcFryyou have no idea. That cold would shut you down in ten minutes if you aren’t prepared.
SSG Poras was my Sqd leader in the DMZ in Korea couldn't ask for a better one "Stands Alone"
CURRAHEE
@@taylorhughes6965 best unit I served in also
What years? 2009-2012 here
@@taylorhughes6965 Bco 90-91
I was recruited in the late 80’s to go Delta. My previous team leader had been in Delta and I guess he had put in a word for me. I had just got married and ended up turning it down. But at that time I’d already been infantry for 5 years, had combat experience, airborne and air assault. Other than my previous team leader I hadn’t known anyone else in Delta. But he was a straight up professional and out of most of the other NCO’s I served with I respected him the most. You just couldn’t find a better leader.
My brother in law had a college roommate who got invited to join delta. I’ve only heard one story/comment about delta that he heard: a lot of stuff delta does they give the credit to the SEALs when it comes to press/announcing things.
If it wasn't for that Chuck Norris movie, Delta Force would have been still very low profile like it was in the early 80s, partly because they keep changing their names to keep it hush hush: SWU, CAG, Task Force Green and of course, Delta Force (which stuck). I don't know what they are called now within the ranks in the Army.
The unit, Delta, CAG are still commonly used in the Army.
Have you guys ever watched that Movie SOLDIER with Kurt Russell?. I relate the Delta guys as the old veterans in that movie and the young inexperienced gene enhanced super soldiers in the movie as the Seals. Being incredible fitness machines don't have a lot to do with modern combat, guns and RPGs are the ultimate equalizers.
What was that TV show they had for like one season where it was like all different special operators competing on courses and stuff like that
Combat Missions. I believe a SWAT cop won the final competition.
Bottom Line: ALL Spec-Ops Groups / Teams / Units are VERY well trained, each for their specific missions and uses. Marines have Raiders, Navy has SEALS, Army has Green Beret & Delta, Air Force has Para-Rescue. EVERY one of these guys are HIGHLY trained above and beyond the "average" Marine, Soldier, Sailor or Airman (I listed those branches in order of most prepared to fight out of Boot Camp / Basic Training) I listed the Air Force 4th because there was no 5th, 6th or 7th!!
Best argument I ever heard about seals VS Delta: "I know many seals want to become Delta, But I dont know any Delta wanting to become Seal."
Something like that, it was said by some SF guy in a podcast.
That’s only because Delta takes anyone and everyone from any of the branches. DEVGRU are strictly Seals.
@@christianrivera6296 I know, I doubt Delta guy that Said that don't know it. I wrote wrong, he Said something along the lines that many Seals dream of becoming delta but never Heard Delta dreaming about becoming Seal.
@@VeyroneR Perhaps, both teams are the best the states has to offer.
@@christianrivera6296Delta recruits the best of the best, they dont take "anyone and everyone."
@@onewarriornation602 what I mean is, the best from every branch.
Never the title it's the man
I think the reason why there aren’t negative news coming from Delta is because most of them are former Rangers. In the 75th RR, if you do something stupid you’ll get kick out. So that disciplinary carry over when Rangers are selected to be Delta.
Yea that is hysterical there is no comparison.....Team 6 is good but there is NO comparison.....he hit it on the nose, the starting place.
Yeah, Delta is the US's premier counter-terrorist/hostage rescue unit
all the old school guys do the comparison but the younger guys know they are training the same and doing the same mission and interchanging in the between the units a lot more after 9/11
Sure genius.
@@Hispeed1 Both are TIER 1 you child. Premier? LOl. Different branches. Is not where you start, it's the long pipeline of training to get to Tier 1 of either branch. Both are similar. Both have assault squadrons and a training squadron. The difference is DEvgru has 1 fulltime Diver rescue squadron since all Devgru are Combat Divers and only 1 out of 6 in Delta are. You will never see Delta locking from a submarine in the world or taking over a ship or oil rig.
@deathfire096 Wow, you know ALOT about how they work and their numbers of qualified individuals. How do you know so much? Are you in the Navy SEALs? You can tell me. I can keep a theee-crett.
Its the same with the UK-SF SAS and SBS. Those selecting already have a minimum of 3 years active service + they have to convince their commanding officer they are suitable to have an attempt. A lot of the blokes have already passed selection for elite units like the parachute regiment / royal marines (with the royal marines almost being on par with the navy seals).
Those cultural differences are huge when it comes to expertise. I’m in the AF but spent 4 years assigned to an Army SMU. I was treated as a soldier and learned how soldiers function and it was eye opening. The camaraderie alone is a huge difference. Going back to an AF assignment after that has been a rough adjustment.
What was so different and rough about it?
@@robertsettle2590getting used to sleeping in 4 star hotels instead of a hole is a hard adjustment! Haha
The adjustment is explaining what you do when people ask you:
Wow, you’re in the military, that’s so cool. Soldiers are awesome!
“Actually I’m in the Air Force”
Oh, wait that’s even better, you fly fighter jets?!
“No, actually I run IT in the office.”
Hey, I gotta go…
@@30AndHatingIt I was on CR team that was Army led. I was the signit specialist we’d go out tracking comm transmissions and use it to track targets. They were usually using portable radios so by the time we’d track them they knew we were there and made contact if we got lucky we’d be able to call in for support and have a Army detachment back us up. I was a SSgt at the time and AF E5 and I had and AF E4 under me. We had 5 soldiers mixed MOS’s, 2 Airmen and 2 Navy Corpsmen, they were my family for a time and I miss them.… so I’m not sure what you’re talking about.
@@chriscuts7029 I’d rather do hood rat shit with soldiers then be in a hotel.. expect when we had to PMC vehicles. Shit made no sense to me.. I asked my new boss an Army MSG why can’t we just go to Meinekie and he did find the new AF guy on his team funny….
I always like watching these videos as I was offered an opportunity to try out and passed it up as I would of had to extend. At the time I was getting out to start college and ROTC and wanted to become an officer before I truly dedicated my life to the ARMY. Well mother army stop lossed my ass and kept me beyond that date as operation iraqi freedom started and I was sent to Iraq for almost a year. Finally got home and had enlisted for one year national guard while I was coordinating with ROTC and going to school only to get stop lossed again and sent back to iraq where I would sustain injuries ending my ARMY career. Became a police officer and a swat team commander but always wondered "What if". Absolutely go ARMY. AIRBORNE
Damn, I never thought about that Delta has all these guys with combat experience and leadership that wait and apply to selection.
U cant apply . They send invitations to the training to 100 ppl twice a year. And only 2 make it.
MP and GM are the only "combat" oriented rates in the Navy.
And Combat is being used over generously.
@@Cornbread_2401 Those aren't Ratings, nor are they applicable to the context of the conversation.
@@Cornbread_2401
Bob is simply stating that there is no work up To the Navy Seals like the Delta Force i.e., 11b, Ranger, SF then Delta.
In the Navy, you would negotiate your SSR (Seal Source Rating i.e., EM, TM, GM etc.) within a Dive Farer contract in order to be billeted for BUD/s school.
So what he is saying is 100% correct.
There's no "combat" rated pipeline in the Navy. Which is why you'll have 50% a BUD/s class that have never touched a weapon other than boot camp.
SWCC candidates go through a variant of the training as Seals do.
EOD physical training is marginal to the former 2.
All are under the NSWC umbrella and each member has a SSR. The rating is the back up for when a candidate fails and has to go back to the fleet as it's easier for the candidate to focus on getting back to BUD/s having a designation. If one is undesignated, he'll spend 6 months as an undesignated seaman, fireman or Airman and then have to put in a request for a school to attend. If his shop has enough of the ratings it needs the Captain will deny his request and he'll be stuck until the end of his enlistment. Some are luckier than others.
That isn't true. EOD. Special Warfare Operator (SO) Which is the SEAL rating, SWCC just to name a few.
MP? What rate is that?
@@benhammerhead376 Yes it is.
EOD is their own Special Warfare Rating.
Meaning, to get to any of those you stated, you must have a "Traditional Navy" rating first. You don't just enlist in the Navy and go to SARC, EOD etc,
You must be rated first.
You should do an interview with Msgt Kevin holland, he was both devgru and cag
This!
Damn dude I was literally thinking the same. That is one interview that I would love to see/hear on this podcast or Shawn Ryan.
Forest ranger Kevin tried rejoining Team 6 after 9/11, but a DevGru CMD Master Chief told him he would have to first do a deployment with a white side SEAL Team. This would take too long. The CMC recommended Kevin instead try out for Delta selection which would be a quicker route to join a tier one unit. This is what I remember from Kevin's interview w/ retired SEAL turned author & CZcamsr Jack Carr.
@@MrDevtun That is his side of the story. There is the Command's side and they don't give interviews on social media. He doesn't make sense . He said he wanted to return to DEVGRU but they told him to do 1 deployment in regular SEAL Team and he said no and decided to change branches and join the DELTA selection and training which takes over 1 year to get to a DELTA squadron if he makes it because that is quicker? I say BULL!!! I'm guessing he quit DEVGRU in bad terms and went civilian for 6 years and wanted to return and they said NO to go to a regular SEAL TEAM and he went Army Delta because they offered him a path and he couldn't return to DEVGRU. You don't switch branches and communities and start all over unless you have to.
@@deathfire096This was right after 9/11 and he asked to return to ST6 and they told him they had to go through the entirety of the SEAL pipeline including time on a Vanilla Team.
The Army told him he could try out for selection after doing OSUT. So quicker timeline
How many Delta forces can swim underwater?
There are countless classified operations by both the SEALS and Delta that were successful that folks won't hear about. Both groups do exceptionally well at what they do, If you are gonna Rubber Duck from a C-130 and lock into a submarine-SEALS, special reconnaissance-Delta.
My Dad's Army SF A-Team locked out a sub into Grenada,they were supposed to liaison with a Seal element,but Seals Helo casted into a storm, they didn't make rendezvous so my Pop's A-Team split & proceeded the Op, crazy night...R.I.P to those Seals lost & the K.I.As of Urgent Fury
I feel this who is better is a symptom of this GWOT where everyone became a raider or door kicker. SEALS are great, but they historically have a specific purpose within the DOD and their leaders are doing them a disservice by not sticking to the areas around water.
You’re not wrong, but this was absolutely a symptom of a protracted two-front war. Every unit, conventional or SOF, was taken away from their primary mission to serve the needs of OEF/OIF. I wonder how they’ll return to their old areas of responsibility and retrain on their unit-specific tactics.
@@bubbaballer88 Thanks, peace be apon you. The potential future of Ukraine, Thailand, and the Arabian Peninsula is scary.
@@scottpomygalski6078 Thailand?
This sounded more like a comparison between Delta and a regular SEAL operator. Not necessarily a comparison between Delta and SEAL Team 6. From what I gather, both are top notch Tier 1 operators who are quite capable of getting missions done.
We're not talking about seals vs delta's, because yeah that is obviously no match. We're talking about seal team six vs delta, and that is a match for sure. With both parties you have the best of SOF.
another interesting video and discussion - I can honestly say that someone that I know quite well would qualify as the third person you've heard of that successfully made the transitioned from MARSOC to CAG
Have worked as a contractor with both. Night and day difference.
Explain
@@jeffstephens2482 Yes, please explain.
Yeah can you explain.
@@rudrashakti108 not in a public forum
@trevnem8210 I like you. "Not in a public forum" 😉 amen, for the quiet professionals. No sense explaining it to a bunch of cheerleading goontards who won't understand it anyway. They are WAAAY too hung up on it. Thanks for demonstrating what a warrior with class looks like, brother.
Remember when Sean picked a fight with me and I dared to đêfend myself and was called into your office to be scolded.Not much is different with my new job.Same poop different faces.
What?
We still having this conversation lol
Team Green Beret just walked in the door.
Did he legit just say that the guys trying out for delta are on a higher level than 6? Only SEALS get to try out for DevGru. I know it is very rare for non special forces/rangers to make it through the long walk but I would stack seals as equals to GB’s on average, and better at some things.
I’ve served in both the army and navy and still live on Coronado.
I don’t talk trash about either.
It was pretty easy to comprehend what he was saying. The Navy doesn’t have much focus on combat arms so guys coming into SEAL training are lagging behind guys coming into SF. And that’s not even accounting for Delta or Devgru.
@@poolee77 my point was that SEALs are on par with GB. Therefore DG is likely at least on par with CAG. If you’re a seasoned SEAL you are on par or better at the skills than many of those trying out for CAG.
I agree that those who are trying out for SEALS are behind on skill set to those trying out for SF. I would argue that BUDS is a steeper learning curve and demands operators who pick things up quickly or are gotten rid of. They also (for the last war) tended to attract higher ASVAB with more civilian exceptional experience.
Just my experience, but I got out of the scout team in 2010 and have only been in the Army since 2020.
NSWC (Dam Nak) are damn good at protecting the brand over everything, including the truth!
Lol. @muriloninja's comment is "show me don't tell me" you know what you're talking about. only thing he forget is those ridiculous wide leg UDT shorts. i got through my deployments ok but what gave me PTSD is the view during PT with those surfer boy numbskulls wearing those doggone shorts. the flutter kicks. dear gawd the flutter kicks.
@@oldgrunt5569 lmao. Flutter kicks suck. But I can post about 15 news articles talking about all the crimes SF and CAG has committed. People just only talk about the SEALs, because it gets them views.
Dam Neck.
As an average MP, we on the line in big military look up to both
Is the video up of the dude who got pissed?
Delta/CAG pulls from all service branches, a much larger pool of potential talent, and more experience. DevGru like all the SEAL teams, only pull from the Navy.
I'd love to see an interview of Kevin Holland who was first DEVGRU then DELTA- the only guy known to do both. Or an interview with Todd Opalski, the Recon Marine who then went Delta.
Ya they do but a very low percentage isn't SF, or Ranger, or was Ranger then went to SF & then the Unit
Delta also allows civilians to go through a prep course before even being in the Army. They keep the relationship until the person is accepted into the Army.
@@gtrscort1 what's this called & where's it held?
@@Frank-uw5xq SFRE…Special Forces Recruitment Evaluation. North Carolina I believe is where it is. As I understand it, this is just to give you an opportunity to get into the selection process.
@@gtrscort1 ya that's for SF not Delta...
How would you compare the British SAS to delta and the seal teams?
As an Army infantryman, I'm biased. But at the same time, both units are tier 1 units. Wouldn't mind going to war with either. But if I had a choice, I'd go with Delta.
I'm sure seals are tier 2 delta is tier 1
Seals need JSOC to deploy..... DELTA don't need JSOC to deploy. Hope that answer the question. DELTA ALL DAY AND TWICE ON SUNDAY! That is like comparing Brian Shaw with Dylan Mulvaney.
At the end of the day, we’re on the same team.
All that matters
100%
SEALs killed a green beret when he revealed they were stealing informant money. SEALs are mostly charlatans, bullies, and rejects.
Damn straight 👍
It's always a competition of who can piss higher.....
Devgru and seals should be great at cqb considering their objective is close quarter boats. It's the entirety of a mission where delta excels and are breed for it as said from infantry up. From infantry to ranger to beret and all the training in between airborne sniper sapper reconnaissance language you name it sere school leading squads and platoons etc that's someone who is polished. Then you take 100 of them and maybe 3-4 of the most high speed make it.
The process to become Delta is simple is to try out, they don't care what your background is, yea many of them come from SF/Rangers however many Delta guya have also just been from Paratrooper units with the only school before that was maybe Ranger School and some not even having that. Delta looks at a range of skills & personality.
Have been I think a few Seals who have been selected to join Delta and 1 Seal who has been on seal team 6 and Delta and he finished his career in Delta an Army unit.
Ive worked with the CAG guys at Ft Bragg and their top notch very, very professional and humble. They walked up to one of my junior soldiers and wanted that E3 to teach them something about Fires. Fantastic 24 hours with them.
The Delta guys always seem to compare themselves to the "regular" teams which is odd. That said the difference in foundation is a good thing. You don't want SEALs thinking or acting conventionally. That's the job of the Army and Marine Corps. SEALs = creative problem solvers Infantry / Rangers = task doers. (Before any fanboys get their panties in a knot. One is not better than the other. diversity of thought is a good thing).
Space Force ET hunting task force > Delta/SEALs
They don't want the baggage
i thought delta had more training in stuff like lock picking, explosives, surveillance, etc. which sounds pretty problem solvery
It's about having light infantry skills. Walking in the woods at night, not getting lost. Always pulling security when stopped. It would be hard to explain unless you have experience doing a night ambush or assaulting a house in the middle of the night. I have been in the light infantry for 11+ years, and I wouldn't hesitate to walk into the middle of a small river during a movement.
"A whole nother level." "A different mindset." And that's as elaborate as the comparison gets. - Whatever, I'm thankful there are DELTA and SEAL operators protecting the USA.
The only scandal I can recall involving CAG was the one where a guy in the unit shot his friend, who was a green beret, then I believe he shot himself? I can't recall exactly. It happened about 5 yrs ago.
Back in the 80's there was a Delta guy who was wanted by the police, and he went awol. It made national news because
the State Police were told "Do NOT try to arrest him".
I don't know what happened after that. But I assume Delta brought him in.
And yet when Delta, Seals or others get into trouble it's PJs who drop out of the sky at 30kft with respirators, have a sushi lunch, halo right on top of those poor guys, with ammo, wipe their tears, patch their boo boos, harness them up and drag them safely up into the sky where doctors and nurses in hot pants await with ice cream cones.
No exactly. PJ’s are tier two. SEALs have corpsman, Delta have medics. Just depends on the situation but it’s not how you just described it.
@@GOJAGSJT Air Force sf are the most decorated, by far.
@@GOJAGSJTyou do know there are Tier 1 PJs right? The Air Force has its own Tier 1 unit as well
Sorry, but I don't believe the part about ice cream cones!
@@cal9700 Lolly pops?
It feels like most of the delta guys you interview confuse seal team 6 with the rest of the regular seal teams. Like I heard a couple of them compare selection to BUDS, you cannot make Seal Team 6 through BUDS. The best guys from the seal teams have to try out for seal team 6 just like delta selection, so in most cases they are just as experienced as delta force.
What difference does it make? They’re all in the Navy…. 🤣
An army ranger sniper once said i love the seals, but not once has the seals ever been called to come get the ranger out of the shit, but whos the ones seals call to get them out of the shit. I have no idea but thats what the ranger sniper said.
Bingo on the base foundation skills.
He asked to compare ST6 to Delta then right off the bat started to compare all SEALs to Delta.
SEALs dont have an infantry backround. Their background is the oldtime UDT "frogman" thing. SEALs evolved out of UDT and because of that, have always been known for their physical fitness levels and the way they fight. Hit and run, using night and water as cover...they have never played the infantry (cannonfodder) role. SEALs have also been famous for their very violent, anything goes kind of covert special ops...very no bs very violent.
SEALs not having infantry background is an outdated argument.
Good thing delta and devgru aren’t doing infantry missions or that would matter.
@@muthafukajones1513 Pretty much all the land warfare skills they use are infantry skills. Its just that they mastered it to the highest level. Land nav, SMU, IADs, Fire Maneuver, Weapons handling, Patrolling, Fields of fire, and other necessary infantry skills dont change unless its proven to be useless. The one thing that differs specs ops and infantry is the type of use employed.
@@Charles-nc4zjThat's true they get land warfare training. In the "old" SEAL days AKA Vietnam, seventies, eighties, nineties...their land warfare training was taken heavily out of older Marine Corps infantry Army Ranger and Green Beret training. But it emphasized operating in much smaller units than infantry units operate in. And SEALs have never been trained to operate in the infantry role...such as being used to hold and defend ground. Or seize enemy beachheads (Marine Corps role). Also be careful what you write here because you never know who is reading this stuff.
@@Charles-nc4zj devgru, which is what we are talking about is in no way used in any infantry role.
I was a conventional army guy , but I think the problems come when seals are doing missions that Delta should be doing . Seals are waterborne keep them in the water and around the water in their speciality . The should be working in conjunction not against each other , and not fighting to be POTUS a favorite . The mission should reflect the unit needed .
I also think MARSOC? marine raiders should have a pipeline to seal team 6 , they are just as good . And both Department of the Navy.
Just read the books published on SEALs. “Code over Country!” Says it all.
As a British medically retired Vet that book made me lose a massive amount of respect US Navy Spec Ops. A bunch of roided up criminals protected by corrupt officers and Senior NCOs.
CAG has always had my respect as I worked with SF who held them in high regard.
Salutations from Belfast Northern Ireland 🇬🇧
Ahh yes let’s just ignore all the crimes committed by Delta and the green berets: cocaine smuggling, ketamine trafficking, money laundering, kidnapping & rape of minors and children, robbing banks, abusing detainees, delta guy killing a green beret and one shooting his wife to death, green beret stabbing his wife to death and one strangling his wife to death, many sexual assault charges, green berets shooting up bowling alleys, killing a PJ commander, delta guy raping a female solider…..come on man do some actual research before forming an opinion based off some guys trying to make headlines on a podcast. (I can happily provide news headlines links to each and every one of these cases just to prove it’s “not only SEALs” committing crimes lol.”
Ahh yes let’s just ignore all the crimes committed by Delta and the green berets: cocaine smuggling, ketamine trafficking, money laundering, kidnapping & rape of minors, robbing banks, abusing detainees, delta guy killing a green beret and one shooting his wife to death, green beret stabbing his wife to death and one strangling his wife to death, many sexual assault charges, green berets shooting up bowling alleys, killing a PJ commander, delta guy raping a female solider…..come on man do some actual research before forming an opinion based off some guys trying to make headlines on a podcast. (I can happily provide news headlines links to each and every one of these cases just to prove it’s “not only SEALs” committing crimes lol.”
@@Cornbread_2401 *Commited. Compared
to US Navy SW they are literally only a handful of incidents! Even as a Brit we know how unreliable and reckless your SEALs are. The evidence speaks for itself. Unprofessional and dangerous!
Delta always seems superior; more professional. SEALS appear rather cheap and Hollywood. A great shame.
😂😂😂😂😂 did you just imply that seals are discount deltas 🤔🤷♂️😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@smyers820gmPeople in Delta don’t try to go to the SEALs. But SEALs do try to go to Delta. So technically, yes.
@@smyers820gm Read what I wrote; not what you think I wrote. I’ll give you a clue to help your comprehension of English, two words; seems and appear.
@@mikewinston8709 dude calm your tits. It was just a joke 🤦♂️🤷♂️😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@kennyc3338 you saw that from the dale comstock podcast. I saw it too 🤦♂️🤷♂️
We don’t need bickering back and forth. Under the same flag. With the same goals 🇺🇸
I've watched DJ Shipley say himself that he learned the CQB be knows today and how to site his rifle with risers from Delta.
He didn't say that. Why do you lie? Since when DJ went Army training let alone Delta training? .LOL Stay away from the crack pipe. All DJ Shipley's training was from SEAL and then he went Green Team for Devgru and his dad was former SEAL, so he got home training from his dad. Some people make $hiat up. LOL
ah no - he didn't "learn CQB" from DELTA. Both units attached small units to each, and they cross-trained to learn SOPs and lessons-learned.
@@sandypidgeon4343 He learned his CQB training @ advanced Seal training and then in Green Team. You don’t stop training once you get to the teams. If you are not in deployment in the teams then you are constantly training. It never stops.
Literally untrue. This channel has the most ignorant viewers lol
@@deathfire096 ah yeah I know that. Basic CQB is done in STT (or when I went through SQT), and, we did advanced training in workups, some from former DEVGRU guys who were doing training officer billets but not to the extent that DEVGRU or DELTA does it.
Delta should have gotten the OBL mission. But 6 never shuts up, so they get PR... and that's why you have a bunch of Navy guys in the middle of the desert. I always loved it when media said "The SEALs helicopters". Like they flew them themselves. I told Mike Durant he should write a book about the 160th's role, otherwise nobody would ever hear that part of the story. It will always just be... "The SEALs helicopters"
why because Delta is the only unit that can kill? LOL. Obviously Delta are talking and whining on social media like high school girls. SEALS never punches down. They never talk down on other branches. You think Delta are pilots and submarine drivers? LOL
Delta actually did get the call first, from what I hear, but jut didn't have enough personnel in the area at the time, so they tossed it to DEVGRU. Many other missions going on and there had been many raids already that were supposed to net OBL that did not materialize. In hind sight, Delta would have probably kept that mission even if they had to pull operators from other missions.
In reality, it was a vanilla mission. OBL was just there with a couple of female family members and one son. No major resistance.
@@brainoverbrawn3404 😆😆😆 Did the brass @ JSOC told you this or you repeat bull? It wasn’t an easy mission because most of the time intel is wrong. Add that the U.S. had no permission to enter Pakistan and it was an act of war and Pakistan AIR FORCE could have blown them out of the sky at will and it would have been legal under international law. SEALS had to deal to what was in the compound and outside of the compound and keep it air tight that the PAKISTANI radars and military wouldn’t detect them or all of them would be dead and the mission failed. Devgru did the job and end of the story. Why people who have no clue second guess and spread false rumors is amusing. Both are TIER 1 under JSOC. Both can do the job, DEVGRU got the call and it was a success. End of the story.
@@deathfire096 Heard interview from a former Delta guy on YT and he said Delta actually got the call first. Yes, intel can be hit or miss, so they likely thought it wasn't necessary to pull in assets for this.
@@brainoverbrawn3404 and he is full of it. Both units are under JSOC and chain of command. When they come down with an order they all must follow. They are not rogue or mercenaries. For this joker to say he rejected the mission like he runs the military is comical but just because a former soldier says bull on social media after they get old and fat and bored doesn’t mean it’s the law. If it doesn’t come from the command or flag officers that ran the show, I don’t believe any former enlisted running his mouth on social media. I’m a veteran and that’s not how the military is run. You can’t refuse a lawful order from the chain of command. This is what these units signed for the hardest missions and follow the chain of command. JSOC picked DEVGRU because the flag officer of JSOC and the operation explained why and it had to do with who was in deployment in the area and they didn’t want to call attention from the Pakistani military since they were going in their country without permission and We are not at war and the move was very dangerous with complications in all phases and they would get blown off the sky if detected. Admiral McRaven explained it. I don’t know how DELTA keeps coming up in the topic and some retired enlisted running his lip about bull but it’s embarrassing.
How is he going to claim Devgru doesn't start with combat arms for recruiting? They only take dudes from SEAL teams, yet he cites infantry as a good starting point for Delta? There's no comparison between SEALs and infantry.
I agree. Team 6 selects from Seal squadrons with at keast 5 years hardcore combat experience. So by definition 6 does select from SF tier 2.
@@binoj1967 lol wrong
@@Robert_H_Diver please elaborate. Thank you.
From a few interviews done by former Unit guys, they seem to have little to no knowledge on how NSW works and how selection for DEVGRU works.
@@binoj1967he is speaking about enlistment such as there is no infantry, cav scout etc…maybe shore police for the Navy that has combat arms training. CAG or Delta you do not have to be prior SF or a Ranger to try out or get in the unit. They even accept candidates from other branches.
So, I’m genuinely curious because I have no clue as to what the reality of either units selection process is; however, to the best of my knowledge I thought SEAL Team 6 required that their operators be in the Teams for a while before going to selection for SEAL Team 6.
Im an army vet but when he said that delta already has the experience before but the seal team doesn't isn't accurate. Doesn't ST6 only recruit from the current seal teams? But on another note there wouldn't be a ST6 without Delta because delta was formed before ST6 was and it was designed based off of the SAS. So Delta was the first tier 1 unit in the US military
Seal team 6 squids spend way to much time sun bathing at Coronado, to much time looking for canopy lights, chemlight batteries, etc. A recent photo showed a squid commander with a scope mounted backwards, I'm sure someone in the arms room did that as a joke, right? Right? Not to mention the rifle the seals used to kill OBL was a hk416, designed with the help of a former Delta A squadron member Larry Vickers. Okay all in fun. We all know all the branches have different tools in the tool box to use for different missions, some of the training overlaps and is similar if not the same. Many go to the same schools. For example when I was in Aco 507 in jump school many years ago, we had all of the branches going through basic abn school. Including seals.
Interesting of you to suggest they are sun bathing at Coronado, since they are based on the east coast in Virginia Beach / Dam Neck. Maybe you don't actually know what you're talking about.
SEAL Team 6 is not stationed in Coronado. Bet you never served in the military like the majority of these individuals commenting about something they heard on a podcast or read in a book.
Welp, there goes 8 minutes worth the brain cells that I'll never get back. ☠️ 😂🤣
It’s literally a step above. They don’t answer to a admiral or a general. Their order’s literally come straight from the source. It really shouldn’t even be in question.
John McPhee's description of difference between the two units is the most accurate, and the problem there shows when you look at the SEAL community's track record for operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. The amount of lives lost, operations blundered or times they needed saving are astounding. They are a counter-guerilla unit meant to be applied to or near aquatic environments, but that "land" part went way too far when a certain commander or Admiral in the Navy during the early times of GWOT just HAD to have SEALs involved in every little operation. Even mother nature doesn't put frogs in the desert or on mountain tops that often 😂😂😂
John is a fat clown. I never heard SEALS bad mouth other branches, they don't punch down but a few has been former Deltas do. I didn't know you had deep access to secret information at JSOC to know the details of both TIER 1 in the war. You know all that by listening to 1 interview of a fat passed his prime Delta operator on CZcams? Deep. LOL.
Richard Marcinko created Seal Team 6, there were only two teams at the time and his reasoning was to confuse the enemy into thinking there were more Seal Teams. They were based off the fundamentals of Delta Force which was based off of SAS who are also real badasses.
Just call the Marines, we can do it all for and for cheaper too!!! Will only cost a box of crayons.
Semper Fi!!!
Love the equal parts bragging and self deprecating lol.
Not even true, MATE!
@@robertsettle2590 What wasn't true? You gonna just lob a grenade and bail?
Damn no delta guy realizes that you must be a regular navy seal for at least a couple of deployments before you can try out for Seal team 6/devgru. Just like delta guys are usually green berets or rangers for a couple deployments before trying out for delta force.
Yeah, he implied guys are essentially going directly from BUD/S to DEVGRU. After that I took his comments with a grain of salt. I also didn't put much stock in the CQB conversation. I believe both units are about as good as you can get.
It's realized, but it's still factual. Infantry, frequently Airborne, then Rangers(premier light infantry) then SF. Then Delta. A few tours in the SEAL teams can't match that.
There is no number of "deployments" that is a prerequisite to go screen for delta. There are only minimum requirements to attend section and anyone in the U.S military regardless of branch can attend selection.
@@ftlnatp4924 I definitely agree that they’re both great. However in the older army days before you even were allowed to try out for SF you had to be in the regular army for around 3 years. Most of the dudes who wanted SF would be in the infantry for 3-4 before they went to SFAS. I think he was implying that they have the basic infantry training, plus SF training, where as seals typically are still learning the basics whole they’re in buds.
@@ftlnatp4924 no he didn't. Not even close...