What's The Plot? - Overlord: Raising Hell
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- čas přidán 29. 06. 2024
- It has been a very long time since I played Overlord and while I have my criticisms I very much enjoyed playing it again. The minions are hilarious, the tone serves its purpose in avoiding the M rating it would have been slapped with had it been played straight, and if you just switch your brain off regarding parts of the writing and story it is a very good time.
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- CHAPTERS -
00:00 - Intro
02:27 - Content Warning
02:48 - The Third Overlord
04:34 - Mellow Hills
07:43 - Melvin Underbelly & Fatphobia
11:50 - Completing Mellow Hills
13:45 - Meeting Rose
15:15 - Your Minions Are In Another Castle
15:41 - Evernight Forest
18:08 - Jewel & Khan
19:30 - Return to Heaven's Peak
22:02 - The Casual Sexism Aged Like Milk
23:38 - And They Were Roommates
24:30 - Elves vs Dwarves
25:35 - To the Ruborian Desert
28:07 - The Second Overlord
29:23 - High Corruption
31:39 - Final Thoughts
32:57 - "Heaven"
39:55 - Evil Always Finds A Way
41:15 - Outro
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I loved this game. Doing a 0% corruption run and being better than the so-called heroes, making the realms safe and prosperous is an amazing thing.
This franchise has been forgotten and its a crime.
i agree, i love this game
True enough I love this game series and I want new ones so bad.
Third game was a let down first had the best story for the ending
Agreed second favorite childhood game. The first was destroy all humans.
@@daltonsharp6254 Same here, destroy all humans was my childhood, i also enjoyed Stubbs the Zombie in Rebel Without a Pulse, if you like destroy all humans you would enjoy that game.
Also elf guy was the only hero who wanted to save the overlord and even felt depressed about leaving his friend for dead
melvin is depicted as obease as its a mortal depiction of glutony not a immortal twisted monster of mytholagy,
depicting him as a monster instead of the common old times depiction of wealthy nobels gorged apon ill gotten gains wouldnt fit the story as well as its the mortal sin effecting melvin not him being twiated into a actual immortal monster.
as melvin is still human it makes sence to use the mortal depictiona of greed which is excess and glutony,
which they did more than well enough.
as for minons sexuality i always thought that as life force came from the overlord who harvests it,
hence minions requirment for a overlord,
that they would be reprisentative of there lord,
ie straight male then all minions would be straight males,
hence why i used to want to see a female overlord just to see the older minions bicker like old married couples from the shock of suddenly there being female minions.
Interestingly Overlord was written by Rhianna Pratchett of Tomb Raider fame. I don't know how much creative freedom she had here though.
The 3rd overlord being Gomez to Rose being Morticia is perhaps the best description and best pick for this game.
I loved this franchise as a kid. I will admit some parts didn't age well, but a reboot could be amazing.
Oh definitely! Streamline some of the mechanics, elaborate on the story, retain a sense of humor, and it'll do gang busters!
@@cooltrainervaultboy-39
Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I think this needs to be an actual open-world RPG.
at 15:30 I just want to throw it out there but close by there are is a small group of villagers talking about how they can't get rid of the overgrowth of the forest as cutting, chopping and *even burning* doesn't work
The only issue I had with this game was that you had to be 100% Evil in order to get the, "Evil," ending. I did everything you were supposed to, except being unfaithful to Rose, because I wanted to be canonically accurate. So I got the, "Good (Bad?)" ending instead.
I love the humour of this game, there is no other game like this except others in the series… no there was no overlord game after overlord 2.
This game should be remastered with bigger hoards and better graphics for funsies.
Two things you didn’t mention was the arena area and the forge where you can fight hoards of enemies and enchant your armour by sacrificing your minions.
So... Pikmin for adults?
Overlord is not very adult, to be honest. For teenagers maybe?
@@Propietario283no pikmin for family guys fans senhor!
Pikmin for people who *think* they're adults.
Is this...evil Pikmin
Evil Gamer™️ Pikmin
Poor Oberon; guy took a depression nap and got trapped in a nightmare.
I also really liked this game, even though I'm pretty sure my first run many years ago was rife with frustration and swearing, especially in the abyss segments. The color, levity, wanton violence, cartoonish approach to "evil" personified by Gnarl, and the story setup all come together to make something memorable.
Shame that every time I play it, something in the code apparently breaks. My last playthrough a few years ago had the minion controls partially borked and manually controlling them became REALLY finicky, and seeing what happened with your Jade chase makes me wonder if I'd even be able to finish it again.
The black guy with the foreign accent (compared to the locals) was probably a traveler who liked the town and decided to set up shop there
Yeah, gluttony as a cardinal sin never sat right with me.
The last time I checked, they already HAVE a vice centered around the mindless acquisition of resources at the expense of others…It’s called GREED.
Lust, Greed, and Gluttony in the classical sense are less distinct by what you do as they are in why you do it. The Seven Deadly Sins are a continuing historical legacy of Christian brainwashing, essentially. There were actually 9 and then 8 and then 7, as they kept folding them into simpler names.
In some of the earlier ones, sins included Sadness, Dejection, and Bragging as well as some of the others. Instead of "lust" they called out explicitly Prostitution. They were always centred in the specific perceived issues of their time.
Sadness was changed to Envy and Bragging folded into Pride. But the fact they were ever considered sinful shows the fundamental purpose of these lists. They are there to shame you for feeling things that powerful people didn't want you to feel. That's it.
There is no real consistency to the Cardinal Sins because they're inherently just a method of control that changes depending on what the "thinkers" writing them down want. If they become more empathetic to a specific sin it is downplayed.
Ever notice how Greed is the most sympathetic or least important one in most renditions of it these days? Like in FMA where he's explicitly heroic? I don't think it's a mistake that in the age of Capitalism we pretend Greed is more sympathetic.
@@Primalintent Makes a lot of sense.
I kinda wish Envy was the british museum. Now that'd have been funny.
That tirade on gluttony rich, coming from a pope who probably feasted every day.
I'm pretty sure the whole "elves and dwarfs hate each other" thing isn't even a tolkein thing, like there's distrust but they don't sling slurs at each other like in the movies... Feel like its one of those things that just sort of happened from repeated mis-adaptations and other media that was inspired by it overdoing it, cultural game of telephone
Yeah it did always feel like a bit of Flanderization & from what I've read of Tolkiens work, there is some history of animosity but there is also history of friendship. The relationship between Gimli & Legolas always struck me as a rivalry, with no genuine hatred.
@@prettycoolguy3206 Gimli was 100% character assassinated in Jackson's adaptation and Legolas is insanely steelmanned. Their whole dynamic is completely flipped from how it is in the books.
@@QuestionableObject I've only read the Hobbit plus bits & pieces of the Silmarillion but I look forward to seeing how the fellowship was meant to be!
It appears to be essentially a classim thing by the Zeitgeist where elves got coded to high class and nature and dwarves to lower(often working) class and industry without much actual depth to the thought of what that characterization would mean or what historical origins. Like seriously so few ever seem to know the conditions in events like gold rushed that led to the stereotypes coded onto dwarves as miners or how exploitively horrible it was.
But yeah it's a simple stereotype that seems mostly post-Tolkien. The simarillion had some conflict with the Dwarves and Elves but it was highly specific and doesn't really match to the later coding
@@travislyonsgary There's more distrust and accusation towards the elves encountered from Borimir more than anyone, when they enter Lothlorien he's the one full of rumors and superstition surrounding them (rather than it being gimli as the movie tells it). And the first character to get upset about the patrol that finds them's terms for leading them to Galadriel is Legolas of all people, appalled that an elven prince like him would be blindfolded and it takes Aragorn's insistence to calm him down.
I'm not 100% on the whole classism thing, there's probably a ton of layers about the elf hate and dwarf love, cause dwarfs are often depicted as greedy to a fault, probably inspired by the Mines of Moria deal. Like elves are almost always depicted as "hoity toity tree lovers" in post-tolkien media which gets them lots of flak from the 2000s nerd culture which has layers of homophobia, "hippy hate" and some kind of weird protestant work ethic ideal that the elves are lazy, while dwarfs are rough, down to earth craftsmen, hard drinkers and fighters, admired for the reverse, being hyper masculine, industrious and anti-nature and hard working.
I have no idea where it started but I think it was fully solidified in "nerd" culture by Warhammer Fantasy Battles, and then further reinforced by all the media that copied that trend, Dwarf Fortress, the Jackson adaptations and all the media created from that (NEVER TRUST AN ELF), and then parroted on by Overlord and so-on...
The only thing I will comment is the main listed "writers" for the game is actually one woman. Rhianna Pratchett - yes, related to Terry Pratchett.
That's honestly wild. I can see the similarities to Discworld's irreverent mockery of fantasy tropes, and Darwin award depictions of humanity. It's all a bit meaner, though, which is a shame and really bites the series in the sequel
I honestly disagree with all the criticism of your criticism of Melvin, but i think it would have been received better if you'd given a suggestion of somehow a better way greed could have been implemented.
*gluttony, but I agree. All of the heroes fell to some sort of evil, and this is just how they portrayed it. Honestly, I don't have an issue with Melvin. After all, could anyone really dispute that he had engaged in gluttonous behavior, that a paragon of good had fallen so low? The dude didn't simply eat a lot, or enjoy eating a lot, he ate to the point where a short and small halfling dwarfed the height of the impressive Overlord, and was *still* eating as if he was starving. Literally having his lackies go out and rob and pillage just to feed him. This isn't merely a fat guy (compare him to the empire citizens in the second game. They are obese), he is absolutely ENORMOUS.
Man, I loved this when I was young. I loved the freedom of it.
I always got the vibe that when it came to the Overlord and his Mistresses it was like Goku and Chichi, especially abridged Goku and Chichi- iykyk
this game kinda has Pikmin vibes
38:02 Honestly with the writers they had it's probably better they didn't try to portray the creepy little dudes as gay lol 😅
Yeah, you right 😭
the Wizard wasn't their father, the Overlord was. That's why they work for him.
otherwise, good video! im really enjoying this channel so far
Oh boy! pikmin D&D edition.
Spoilers
I thought you were hero who fell to pride during original boss fight and other heros fell to there own sins after there was no fights left
*Their
When you described Gluttony, I thought about CV: Lords of Shadow.
There’s a sequence where Gabriel and Zobek confront a cowardly priest who holed himself in an area with a holy relic, revealed to be Holy Water. Its been a very long while, but I believe the two admonish the priest for his actions and how his covetous ways led to the villagers suffering from the predations of vampires and undead. Upon taking the vial, the priest attempts to take it back only for the two effectively ignore him.
When they leave, it’s revealed that there are vampires in the room and the cowardly priest’s fate is sealed. What sticks out to me about this is your description of the famine type spirits and horrors being emaciated and gaunt, something that is shared with the priest.
Granted, I could easily be reading too deeply into a game I haven’t played within years, but that scene really did stick out.
This game will always be the best and my favorite in my eyes. An underrated gem for sure
While I agree that, looking back to the 1st (and especially 2nd) Overlord games, there is definitely too much fat-jokes - the Melvin actually makes far more sense as this big fat halfling than sone thin mythological creature you've described in examples.
Later in th game, when you confront the Wizard "hero", that was the one who got possessed by the former slain Overlord's spirit and started corrupting the others to indulge in these sins, because "well, they're heroes and deserve it, right?".
Melvin is not some kind of magican embodiment of a curse of gluttony. He is just one of the heroes (halfling at that) that got consumed by this sin and indulged in it so much that it made the nearby villagers starve and himself to grow to such proportions that it looks like he'll burst if you kick him too harshly (which he does).
I think going for the thin scary mummified creature that is cursed to never feel sated woukd be more horror-esque, instead of sort of comedic (which this game aimed for).
Again - there is clearly a pattern of showing conventionally unattractive people in a negative light. But in this exact case - I think they did a good justice to gluttony sin. Maybe they should've not make Melvin into such big proportions that it looks unrealistic even for a big human such as Overlord to grow to that size, but that's it.
Granted, this was ruffly around the time where The Lord of the Rings was still in the Pop Cultural zeitgeist, and the fat hobbit trope was still cemented in everyone's mind.
Overlord 1 & 2 are great games wish we got new ones.
We did we got the god awful Overlord fellowship of evil 🤮
That bit about how the mc is considered evil for fixing things instead of maintaining the status quo sounds like the anthesis of the dragons dogma anime. I wish that wasn't the first thing that came to mind but whatever
Did you actually watch the show or just watch Mother's Basement's video about it? I'm not trying to invalidate your opinion, I haven't watched the show myself thanks to how universally it was banned, but I'm curious if someone else independently came to such a similar opinion.
@YumLemmingKebabs no it was just the mother basement episode. I don't think i could sit through the show myself without going mad and throwing my console out a window
@@randomperson2235 Better defenestrate your console than yourself. Have you played the game? It's a lot better than what I've heard the show is.
@YumLemmingKebabs i have not, but i probably should. That or i should at least play the new one when its fixed. If its ever fixed
The corruption is the heedless excess all heroes are afflicted by. The hobbits, known for their love of good food, good drink and parties CANNOT be portrayed by gaunt figures because their corrupted trait isn't HUNGER, it is their love of all things fine that turns to GLUTTONEY ai excess eating, and no one get skinny from excess eating.
Everyone is being a caricature and your personal hang-ups is simply your own personal gripes, pretty telling by how much you don't even seem recognize the rest.
The minions are the perfect power fantasy underlings, they are gleefully obedient, fearlessly loyal, utterly disposable and most importantly, impotent admirers of your prestige.
That's why they are in love with the mistresses.
the telltale "personal gripes" could be a sense of humour that contrasts with something lowbrow/cliche.
Your explanation for the minion's love of the mistresses feels like a stretch. i see it more like the *perverted old man is harmless* joke you find in fantasy satire.
im all for a bit of satire but i dont appreciate most of the cynically insinuated stuff and sarcastic contempt and degradation of many things that seem innocent/arbitrary.
Maybe im too optimistic.
The race stuff and the tangential joke showing poor examples of Catholicism felt forced. im not catholic but it felt a bit ~nihilistic atheist knows best.
the fat jokes are painful!
I probably wouldnt like the fat boss if it was all about the gross stuff and lacking the cute roll attack. It's cute! >o>
the sexy mistress collecting is even more painful!
I think most sane kids would find it weird or awkward. Though, I must admit that the popularity of predictable "Harem" novels, especially those that still try to have a Gary Stu are a mystery to me.
@@gabbonoo No one in this game get any better treatment than any other, except for the Overlord and the Mistresses, the minions kill even each other for shits and giggles. If your complaint is that one specific group is being portrayed as just as useless and beneath the Overlord as everyone else, then it's a personal gripe.
It's not, since that trope doesn't fit with the younger minions being just as enamoured as Gnarl. My explanation isn't an in game explanation, it's a design explanation, because there is no in game and none is required. It's simply how things are, just like the houses with doors that can't be opened, sheep that respawn, the ground randomly burning forever and so on.
The whole race-rant is indeed a bit weird, since two out of four human heroes are black and the only non-corrupt leader (Archie in Spree) is a black man and has been *voted in* by the towns people and who's really the only nice and competent NPC in the region, but that goes unnoticed, which supports my theory about personal gripes rather than simply being annoyed at crude jokes in general.
Simply put, it's a cheeky power fantasy game filled with everything a power fantasy should have, overpowered violence, hot chicks fighting for your attention, riches, you being praised and worshiped every step of the way as you trample those before you and massive amounts of dark colours, spikes, steel and magic.
The Overlord has no face and no voice so the player can project onto the character, Khanlusa on the other hand isn't, she seem to change view of the Overlord from her avatar to a man, which makes sense as the male and female power fantasies aren't compatible, and she doesn't like what he does and wish for less male power fantasy and more female power fantasy of controlling the man that she at that point doesn't see as her avatar anymore, she start projecting onto the women, it's very interesting to see. This is all supported by her complete obliviousness that every (non boss) man has been portrayed as stupid, weak, incompetent and submissive through out the game up to the point of Heavens Gate; FemDom Edition (35:16 time stamp).
@@Ackalan many of the optimistic points you made *were* things i considered plausible. now im sceptical after watching the 2nd game.
@@gabbonoo How so?
@@Ackalan tripling down on the association of fat=contemptible and the collection of women with only cringe-worthy choices at many of the more interesting points in the story
Playing overlord 2 rn as listening to this
Just be glad this game wasn't made during Kanye's villain arc
I think it is funny that your solution to "fatphobia" is to go in the opposite direction and make fun of skinny people when, as you pointed out - it is no less common a trope. The reason skinny people get represented as gluttonous is because they are *starving*. How is that any less "problematic"? I'd say it is more-so.
(Rose probably knows loosely where her sister is and what she is up to, siblings are often good at guessing eachother's minds.) Also the point of Heaven's Peak is that William has become so debaucherous that mortal pleasures can't satisfy him anymore. That's the point of all the heroes - they were goaded into something seemingly innocuous until it consumed them. Kind of how corruption happens irl. No one wakes up and says "I feel like making the world worse" they go down a path they think is mostly harmless until they get in over their heads.
The dark lord has a mistress, this will paint a very bad light of the evil overlord of sin and slaughter - how ever will his PR ever recover?
I like how even when there is a boss that is almost aimed at making you feel good for putting him down, you still find a reason to complain.
Your complaint about a minority getting a role as villain's is so... I don't know where to start. If they had been ANY of the 7 sins you would have found a reason to complain on this front.
I get that you say that you "like this game". If this is your "like" I'd hate to see you "hate" or even "dislike" something. You probably think that is unfair but most of the video is you complaining or taking pot-shots.
This comment probably sounds pretty confrontational, sadly I can't think of a better way to express my thoughts on the matter. Hope you have a nice day.
What the game did WAS making fun of fat people. The real life religions aren’t making fun of skinny people when they have a guy who can never eat or drink be emaciated because he fed his son to the Greek pantheon
And? I don't recall saying they were not making fun of being morbidly obese. And we are talking about a comedy game - in order to make your vision come to life in this context you would have had to make fun of someone skinny as a rail.@@healgoth
I thought the same thing. Like damn you took the halfling being fat personally
Damn now I feel dumb I made a comment and deleted it because I didn't want yet another argument in my notifications but all I had was a nice reply from the creator. (saw it afterwards in notifications)
Maybe I should be less cynical lmao. Anyway great vid.
... I would assume the difference between the spells probably has something to do with the Mother Goddess, whose good and her forgotten ex-husband who's bad.
I wonder if the developers played dragonlance, the elven hero's nightmare is very much like a similar thing that happens in it. An elven king gets corrupted by a powerful mystical artifact that makes his nightmares into reality and an evil dragon that whispers into his ear.
I am dumb, what is the symbolism behind the banners of the horny paladin?
I don't know if it's just me but I looks like the female genitalia
google yonic
even since i was a little lad I have been infected by this franchise, spawning a decade long special interest. I think about this game literally every day, the good and the bad heh. I am a bit sleep deprived as I am writing this but its amazing to hear someone review the game and acknowelege all the sexism, fatphobia and racism in it (as much as I love people liking it, this makes me feel less alone in noticing the bigotry), so thank you! I think it would be great to have these characters being expanded upon beyond their stereotypes and tropes(example velvet and rose, i love exploring sibling dynamics but the developers fucked it up by making their values based on purity culture blehh). Oh seeing this just made my day ahhh!!!!!!!!And in a video essay format too...Ough my heart.
For me, when I played the first game, I was a tad annoyed that I don't get the full evil look until the very end and on the way to the final boss.
Fallout 76 does a great job at portraying wendigo. Skeletal, stooped stature, distended belly, a terrible scream. Horrorifying too be sure. They lighten the horror by providing screws as loot.
... Because their screws are loose...
Liked this video so much I'm watching it a second time, lol. I should probably just get around to playing the game again.
A part of my brain remembers that there was a way (with a lot of gold) to "romance" both mistresses in the first overlord. But that may be just my plastic memory.
Never did play the Raising Hell expansion because I didn't have infinite money back then and I only bought the base game. That physical disc could still be around somewhere.
Not quite, you can only get multiple mistresses in the second game. The thing you're thinking of is unlocking the sex "scene"(they don't show anything) for both in one playthrough. Each of the two mistress options have different decoration options associated with them that you can choose from, and both women are only willing to put out if you bought enough of their flavor of decorations for the tower. Even if you bang both though, you can only have one at a time occupying the Tower. Kinda weird that there's no penalty for switching back and forth a bunch of times. Also even if Rose is presented as the more sentimental and less materialistic of the two, she waits to put out until you buy her enough shiny things just like her "gold digger" sister, if I remember right. It wasn't mentioned in this video, but there were other things unmentioned also.
Man I was in love with this game growing up, enjoyed the crude and crass humor. Really wish they did more in the series, wonder what a 3rd Overlord game could be
On the point of the Mistress bit, doesnt the title make more sense since you are playing as THE OVERLORD. As in no one is equal to you.
Also it overall looks like the 'heroes' you fight initially indulged in something and simply got worse from corruption. Theres nothing wrong with enjoying food if Tolkien's Hobbits are anything to go off but Melvin looks like what happens is you let it get the extremities. The Elf guy in the forrest sat down for nap and something probably clung onto him in order to leech off of him. Thats looks like why he hasnt been able to wake up, something or corruption of sorts.
all the Heroes are literally the 7 Deadly Sins.
I'm glad you're finding your way in other content now.
Even if you don't go back to making WoW videos, I just want to let you know your videos inspired me to give my own try at giving the TBC story a go through an RPG campaign I decided to start soon.
This has definitely been less stressful/draining to work on, but I will enjoy poking at WoW writing on my own time (like fics and such again.) I hope you enjoy creating your story and I'm glad to have inspired, thank you 🥺
I remember my older brother getting this game on a road trip and the during the drive I always read the back of it.
He later give it to me as I always play it.
I later got part Two(which i enjoy)
The things that got me to love this games is the soundtrack(the combats ones) and the minions.
I wish we get a remake for these games or a part three.
Was angry black man a trope ?………..I guess it kinda was huh
Nice to vicariously experience these older games without suffering myself. Much as i love your wow stuff this is a nice breakaway from that and quite interesting seeing older games through a modern lense and seeing how well they have aged....plus this was fking funny to watch you were on fire with the memes in this without it being overbearing. Thank you for sharing
jksadgkj thank you I worried at points with the memes like "is this too much??" but I'm glad it was just enough 🙌😂
ngl, Wrath wasn't what came to mind when you mentioned a Succubus
Right???
I remember buying this as a young lad and thinking the game was broken on the "lovk on" fireball segment. When i got a second copy i realised thr problem xD
Glad to see you cover this, this alongside Warcraft 3 ignited my love of video games and i still love it despite all the jank
Oh yeah, like I said in the video despite its issues I had a good time with this game 😂
Enjoyed this game when I was like 13, I was basicly exactly the audience you described. Unfortunately never got past the zombie infested sewers. Kept farming up browns and blues and trying to make it work, no cigar. I was good except I kept farming the village and terrorizing the hell out of it. So not really very good. Thanks for the vid! Never bothered to beat this game, don't think I ever will but this one was fun to watch. Hope to see more! Been watching a couple of your old WoW vids and I enjoyed those but I'm pleased to see you moving forward with this kind of content, I love coverage of these kind of older games.
I'm with you there, I enjoyed it as well at that age, and I still enjoyed the game now, just with a very different lens and a handful of caveats lol
I remember the sewers tripping me up when I was younger as well, I eventually managed to get passed them and then I remember getting absolutely stuck at the Ruborian Desert and never advancing to the endgame so this time around was far less frustrating.
And thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it 😄
I wanted to rewatch this video but I didn’t remember what the game was called, or what your channel was called so I just scrolled through all of the channels I’ve subscribed to just to watch this again.. put simply this video is great
You cannot cancel a game that’s been out for close to 17 years. Just saying.
Not sure if meme or serious.
But just in case: May I refer you to the intro
@daanstrik4293 I think the statement was more of "Bold of you to think you could cancel a game this old". Mostly due to it isn't in any limelight or popular ao it does npt really matter.
Oh man please please please play Overlord: dark legend!! It’s by far the best of the Overlord games :)
I freaking loved dark legends as a kid, agreed in being by far the best of the series. But I don't know if the games aged well.....
@@civilvaril1181they could have certainly aged better, but afaik dark legend aged the best
36:27 God I wish that was me
If something is starving it's not gluttonous then it's eating for survival AKA necessity
[Pope Gregory I wants to know your location]
the starving is a metaphor for where gluttony gets you. someone who has given in completely to gluttony is no different in desire, both in feeling, and in fulfilling, from a starving person, their desires leaving them a starving husk of a person, even if only on the inside.
@@mogim815 someone gluttonous eats when they're not hungry just because they enjoy the taste of food and they want more it is an extremely selfish mindset you can't use the word starving as a metaphor! starving isn't selfish but itself gluttony is a selfish sin in fact it's a theme with all seven of the seven deadly sins!
@@noahcharles2571 a starving, skeleton of a person more accurately shows the internal state of mind of the glutton; so consumed by desire that nothing can sate them anymore, a hedonistic abyss which ultimately starves them of the very pleasure they seek.
Maybe as a spirit or monster. But as a mortal consumed by the sin a fat halfling is the perfect depiction.
I loved this game back in the day!
8:50 Oh, that's why the british eat like that.
I used to absolutley love these games, I think I first had the one for Nintendo Wii of all things.
Great video!!
Thank
Your unimpressed deadpan voice made the jokes even funnier.
you have wonderful tastes and overlord is by far one of my favorite things if all time.not just games but overall i long for the day when more things like this exist.
I love that you love this game I'm a diehard fan I know it's your opinion about Melvin (as that's as far as I'm at rn I'll reply to each one in case you care about my opinion) I think since it was an old fantasy game greed would be most associated to the British history as king Henry the (fat one) and since spree is mocking britannia with the teeth of the farmers as well it makes sense why gluttony represents a king that's big just like king Henry anyway good video so far just my different takes oki!!!
Okay so ever night missed detail it was on fire because the spree farmers set it on fire as shown in the cutscene it but it's hard to get it to play sadly so you might be missed it and yes the voice acting is bad I knowwww but remember gnarl voice is worth the rest of the bad voice acting!! Makes khan angy!!! Yes khan wasn't as good of wrath...
The thing about the girls being trophies kinda fits the whole overlord part like he's an overlord imo he doesn't care about others it's to fulfill the whole the fantasy of me evil!!! BTW this is all my opinion
Yes ruboria sucked with the bones to explode and jewels capture sucked nothing else to say
This was a great game i bought both mainline games and loved being a villian
Interesting one. Not sure if I would try it out, given that I'm more of a Dungeon Keeper (loving games, that allow me not only to build up a dungeon, but further to customize it and the inhabiting minions
Great game, to bad Overlord 2 wasn’t quite as nice.
Had to pull up to the atic for this one i always wondered who else enjoyed this game🤝🤷♂️
So... You're wrong about the halfling and his depiction. All the myths you cited are not about gluttony or even sin. They are at their heart creatures borne of starvation and the bad karma, vibes, or juju associated with the act of dying in the anguish of hunger. The Wendigo in particular holds and interesting place here because it plays to the darkness of succumbing to feral hunger and committing cannibalism, which was an extreme taboo in many of the Native American cultures and points to a dark time in our people's communal history.
By contrast, the Sin of Gluttony is about taking too much and the bad energy associated with that, the natural consequence of which is what is depicted. Turning into a fat disgusting blob that doesn't fit into normal sized clothed and always demands more. Gluttony isn't about unsatisfied hunger. It's about satisfying that hunger and then wanting more. It's about excess and excess is not thin and emaciated. It's not about starvation or famine by twist of fate. It is about the choice to be a fat grubbing hedonist about food. That's why in more modern interpretations stuff like the "The food can't taste good" is ignored, because you don't have to contact a witch or go on crusade for spices any more, but the temtation to always grab for the next plate is always there.
I am not going to unpack the rest of this video's suitcase other than by saying two things.
1. Not everything is race.
2. Play woke games win woke prizes.
I’m just going to pick apart this argument like I’m deboning a slab of meat.
1. As someone who has heard multiple retellings of what the Wendigo is supposed to be about I can say for certain that the Wendigo spirit isn’t about starvation, it’s about greed. The story of the Wendigo has always been a cautionary tale against taking too much without giving back and trying to survive all on your lonesome when humans as a species thrive in groups and social circles. The entire point of the Wendigo is to teach people what happens when you give into- oh, what else? *Greed and gluttony*. The Wendigo is not just a feral beast like depicted in anglicized depictions, it is a creature of greed and excess, always wanting for more, never being satisfied. It is so explicitly cruel and inhuman that it’s greatest trademark is succumbing to one of society’s greatest taboos; cannibalism. Such an immoral act serves to punctuate the Wendigo as being a creature of evil, greed, and wanton gluttony. It is good to approach the stories of the Wendigo with sympathy and empathy for those who have utterly no choice but to cannibalize in order to survive, but to approach the spirit of this monster with anything but fear is a disrespect to both the moral lesson it’s rooted in, and the communities that it comes from.
So, yes, at the end of the day, equating greed and gluttony to the Wendigo is appropriate, it is in fact the most appropriate as the Wendigo is specifically seen as a spectre of greed, the haunting destruction caused by over-indulgence. To equate the Wendigo as little more than a “feral beast” that “eats because it’s hungry” is a fundamental misunderstanding of what the Wendigo is.
@@HarleenHarpeYou are patently incorrect. The wendigo is the spirit of people who choose cannibalism in extreme survival situations, particularly in winter, where the choice is starve or eat people. You are confusing multiple other myths with the Wendigo. It isn't a moral lesson about greed. It's a primal terror of cannibal tribes in times of winter starvation dating back to the ice age. It is a fear from the dawn of man on the North American continent that is replicated in a wide variety of traditions across the oldest tribes. It doesn't eat because it's hungry. It eats because it now has a hunger that can never be sated because it succumbed to extreme starvation and now carries a corruption from that act. It's basically a corrupted human turned eldritch horror.
I dont think you understand what the Wendigo from folklore is.@@HarleenHarpe
Gay minions would be so much funnier than attracted to women minions, especially if it was revealed abruptly.
I feel gachimuchi potential there.
34:52 is a feeling of pain
if possible you should also review overlord: dark legend, i think it's a wii exclusive so you might have to emulate it
I loves this game as a little kid i used to play it with my sister on our xbox360
Loved this game as a kid haha, this and fable all day
Liked the video but couldn't finish it because the beeping of swears is so much jarringly louder than your speaking voice - it feels like a sonic flashbang every time happens and it's either I quiet the audio to lessen the shock (meaning I can't hear you), or I put the sound up so I can hear you (meaning I have to take the sonic jumpscare at full force)
Sorry about that 😅
36:28 But why are you saying that? Is that what a good husband does for you?
Just feels off to say “He’s actually a pretty loyal husband, Must take it in the butt.”
Its fun thats why XD
Never played this game growing up but tonally it reminds me a lot of Destroy all Humans if it was fantasy instead of sci-fi... and if its plot was not centered around the protagonist's penis or lack thereof lmao
That's a pretty apt comparison actually 😁😁
I like a full evil run and oddly a no corruption run is also fun normally its one or the other with games i think besides kotr and bio shock this was one of the few games i played and was like.”now i want to try the other path.” 27:37
I remember long ago someone told me this game is just "fables but with pikmin mechanics" and I can see the resemblance between the two. Except that at least in Fables, you can be a boy kissing boys
Oh, Overlord's definitely getting pegged!
I like this. Thank you
I appreciate the well formated and edited review -- clearly there was some effort behind this video. And I like that this game is still getting some attention after all thsese years.
However criticising Melvin for being portrayed as this massive vile ball of fat and then going on what feels like a 5 minute tangent complaining why the devs didn't go for some more deeper, naunced theological or mythological inspirations for the potryal of gluttony strikes me as highly pretentious.
I'm sure you and anyone whos played or even seen Overlord gameplay can tell that the game is suposed to be very on the nose with the way it shows evil and ect. It's much like Fable in that sense.
Melvins portrayal is not fatphobic in any way at all, and as I kid I saw clearly that this was a very on the nose representation of his greed and consumption of resources at the expense of others. If it were perhaps a more serious game I'd perhaps agree -- but even then this more physical potrayal is used in seminal pieces of literature like Dune, where the Baron Harkonnen is shown to be a fat man who needs suspensors to carry him -- however Herbet doesn't stop there, he goes further to show how ultimately the Baron is cold, calculating and ultimately incredibly greedy.
Tbh I don't even agree with this concept of fatphobia to begin with -- at least not the way you seem to understand it. Its not a good thing to fat at all (much like the game portrays) as it is GENERALLY reflective of one's character, however I think any normal person with an iota of kindness within them knows that berating someone over fatness is unjust and plain rude -- someone's fatness can be due to things like disease, genetic conditions or even a mental illness -- Melvin however has none of these things hence doesn't deseverve that sympathy.
I also don't entirely agree with the Wrath and Jewel cristism either.
Honestly, as a kid I never saw this as problematic -- I just saw them as evil characters rsther than some stayement that the game was trying to make about black people. Heck, If were to look into it deeper from a racial perspective like you did, swapping the race of both of them with white people could be just as "problematic". Given your accent I'm assuming you're likewise a denizen of this rainy nation of tea and crumpets, so unless you grew up in a very isolated community you'll probably be aware of the stereotypes Polish people get -- i.e being thieves, domestic abusers and criminals in general.
Heck, if you made Jewel and Wrath any type of Asian or Arab, there's also a stereotype of domestic violence and for those ethnicities as well.
My point is, unless there's irrefutable proof that the devs are racist A-holes, then I doubt it's as deep as you think it is.
The phrase "It ain't that deep" comes to mind, I doubt there really was even that much thought put into a lot of it as you yourself put it. Plus the VA's can't have minded too much or they wouldn't have taken the roles. Or it could even be that they made the characters black because they already had the VA's booked in.
Is it just me or she sound like Diana from Hitman Games
I lied only to you
The racism of the "Huge violent black man" completely went over my head when I played it because I was too busy giggling at the Star Trek reference in his name. Ooof.
Gay black guy speaking here. This game is not trying to be a social commentary, nor does it portray itself as anything other than a silly over the top comedic game. Sensitive people shouldn't play games like this and I mean that with utmost respect. You'll just annoy yourself and ruin the experience for others. This is why things are massively censored today, media like this should exist and allowed to be funny.
What rubs me the wrong way is how the message is that the "heroes" have been corrupted and now exhibit the 7 carnal sins and the game is diverse in that they have two black characters that are the heroes and you keep complaining that they are following the sin archetype that they have as if black people are somehow saints and can't express any of the 7 carnal sins.
It feels to me that the one with the issue is not so much the game but rather it's projection.
Part of the problem is the *way* in which the black heroes are evil. For example, the "angry black man" trope is a cliche as old as chattel slavery that justifies violence against black men by calling them "savage" and saying that they are nothing but violent brutes. This belief is the driving force behind police brutality in real life. If the sin of sloth was given to a black character instead of wrath, that would be a more unique and less cliche idea, and less racist. The sin of envy is also a problem, as it positions any black people who complain about mistreatment as "just jealous" and silences the voices of black women. The idea of black villains is not in and of itself bad, it's about execution and not playing into specific stereotypes, not only because those stereotypes are racist, but *also* because those stereotypes make your work boring and unoriginal
Typically black ppl are also stereotyped as being lazy so IDK if sloth would really be in anyway less prejudice...
@@annajensen7360 ye, definetly not tied to him being tank, if you really think about it every sin is kinda problem when they are black so maybe they should have ignor black people, all together just to not offend them. Or maybe you are reading too much into it and again the game is not the issue but rather it's projection. also Doom is anti imigrant game so fuck them. Nier automa is too much of male fantasy, So fuck them as well. Every game is just sexist white supremecy trash so fuck the whole business. It is what you make out of it buddy
@@positivexp1425 You're right, I was mostly just thinking about the depiction of the elf hero as being more depressed than exactly "lazy" so it didn't occur to me.
@@gumonyk bro, nobody actually thinks of doom as anti-immigrant, that was something basically made up by your side because you ran out of things to get loud about. As we all know, criticizing something is the EXACT SAME THING as destroying the entire business so all people with opinions should just shut up and enjoy the bad writing otherwise we hate all video games. Give me a break
Oh yes, the edgy, immature minion managing game that is legally distinct from Pikmin! Curious how it was considered a genre back then. Kind of miss the days where devs just straight copped a concept or mechanic... not that they don't now, but it's all so smoothed over and marketable now that many have a whole other kind of low quality to 'em!
I remember when after Factorio a whole genre of factorybuilding games exploded onto Steam or when Dark Souls actually coined the term for a new genre.
Overlord is a fun game, Quit being a killjoy. Go play Half Life.
@@olknoxlo Already did, thanks.
Pegging isnt real
... so what do you call men getting railed by their girlfriend/wife?
@@khanlusa sex but i know for a fact that pegging isnt real
@@khanlusa also i greatly enjoy your content very awesome videos :)
@@khanlusa I call it fantasy (because it's not real)
@@khanlusaI call it “She had a reverse card” night.
Basically, you're evil no matter what, but you get to pick your flavour of evil. Dominating Lawful Evil (Darth Vadar); Or Psychopathic Chaotic Evil (Lord Voldemort). The Overlord games are pretty much the only games I've ever played that give you multiple types of evil paths to choose from outside of well made CRPGs (like Pathfinder WotR - Another game which gives you options for being Evil).
With that said, get over the fat stuff already... being fat is a genuine health risk which will lead to Diabetes, Liver Damage, Kidney Damage, Circulatory Complications and Heart Disease. Statistics show that people who are overweight die young, at around the ages of 35 to 55 on Average. It is never acceptable or should be acceptable to harass people, abuse people or humiliate people for being overweight, but defending it and supporting their "right" to be overweight is equally damaging. We live in a society which thinks it is ok to criticize smoking now because of the health risks, wouldn't you consider it hypocritical to do that while also defending being overweight? Yeah, dwell on that can of logic for a while buddy.
For all the "dated offensive humour" in this game, least they didn't include the overweight washed up hero with mouth breathing, gasping for air because their Heart is struggling. Which is something which every single person who is severely overweight has in common. Oh wait it didn't, you know why? Because in 2007 that would of been considered actually offensive, instead this game is about humour; So chill, thanks.
I think about 80% or so of your message is responding to a person you made up in your head. I don't think the person who made this video said a single thing you wouldn't have agreed with, at least in the fatphobia section.
they said exactly what you said, overweight people shouldn't be ostracized (something which displaying them as grotesque, putrid piles of flesh does), but they never said anything to glorify overweight people, that was entirely you. an absence of a point, especially when that point is not necessary to the greater argument (i.e. "but we also should not glorify fat people"), does not mean the person arguing disagrees with said point.
give the benefit of the doubt to people, and don't put words in their mouths, it'll make your arguments stronger in the long run, as well as open you up to more ideas.
@@mogim815 Trying to gaslight me is like screaming into the wind. I suggest you piss off.
You're right. This game is just old humour, and there is no need to criticise it as if it's deathly offensive.@@foxdavion6865
literally nobody is glorifying fatness. You're fighting intangible shadows dude
@@annajensen7360 Are you a bot? I think you are.
That depiction of Gluttony as a fat person and Lust as a sexy woman made me realise how so many depictions of the Seven Sins just seems to get it wrong, Lust most of all.
When someone depicts Lust as a sexy half-naked lady, they're really telling on themselves. That's not a personification of lust, it's an objectification of lust.
A woman simply being attractive or sexy doesn't necessarily mean she is lustful. You can be sexy and asexual (like Yasmin Benoit, asexual rights advocate) or lustful and ugly (you're typical [insert online demographic you want to mock] user). When most people depict Lust, they just design someone they lust after, rather than someone who is lustful. They seem to get this with Pride, as it's a person whos prideful, or with Envy, as it's a person who is envious, but when it comes to Lust, it's often someone the audience (aka the straight male gaze) lusts after. Sometimes, she doesn't even lean into it or seems to have no sexual desire at all, just using her looks to take advantage of people, which not what lustful people do.
I think a good depiction of Lust would probably be a hypersexual pansexual person (typically a man, but it could be a woman too) who is just overcome with desire at all times, someone who can't talk to another person without imaging having sex with them, who can't fathom someone's life not revolving around sex, who is always pleasuring themselves and is always letting their sexual desires drive their motives and actions, so much so that they are wasting away, rotting even, not looking after themselves at all, distinctly not sexy, because they are only seeking to attain instant pleasure but are not willing to put the work into earning it.
On top of that, it can be easy to make this personification also be a sex criminal, and although that may fit with the previously described personality, I think it can also be lazy and too dark to be fully interesting, especially if you consider sex crimes to be about power and control rather than about lust or desire. I think it would be more interesting to have them creepy but not cruel, someone who is not coercive or controlling but is still leering and opportunistic without sliding right into physical assault. It would be interesting to see a semi-polite interpretation of Lust, who makes people uncomfortable but doesn't want to, who can be easily manipulated with sights alone (from obvious male-gazey sexual imagery to even just some muscle, some ankle, or a kind smile) but is also unreliable as they can be swayed another way with just another pleasurable sight. You don't even need to make it overtly sexual, as just being polite to this creature would lead them to feel pleasure, to fantasize over you, to desire you. And having them be pansexual and not just representative of the male gaze opens up a lot more opportunities for them to be lustful, as just watching someone cooking could drive them wild, or watching a man paint, or watching a woman read, you can never predict what their exact tastes are, and there's room to explore there. Lust should be driven by their sin to the point that it is, for them, almost always a weakness, showing why it is a deadly sin. Just a kind of pathetic character that has room for the audience to empathize with, especially if their nature as one of the Seven Sins is basically a curse that plagues them.
I just think that is infinitely more interesting, compelling, and useful in a narrative than just Sexy Lamp.
I agree that writers of Most stories miss the mark with avatars/personifications/etc of Lust, case and point Lust from FMA/FMAB who in the former was a femfatal that turned good girl and the latter who was a femfatal with a flat out murder boner and no greater complexity either way because the writers dropped the ball.
However a traditional/cliche hyper sexualised beutiful woman (or man, seen that) is not incorrect.
The sins are not just suposeed to be visual physical examplification of the worst aspects of said sins, but they are supposed to evoke and draw out the sins in not just other characters but also in you the viewer coaxing out of you that which they desire.
And beyond that all of the sins feed into eachother, lust specifically can translate into lust for battle, lust for possessions, lust for success, etc.
Also if you think about it lust being depicted predominantly as female makes sense from a primary demographic point of view as multiple studies have shown that there are more strait men and homo or at least bi women out there than strait women and homo/bi men, women are just more popular.
Otherwise then that I agree, less cliches and more in depth analysis would be a very welcome change.
You're overthinking this buddy. This is from a time when people made games to be fun and enjoyable, not to meet your lofty 12th grade English Class Essay about waxing philosophical and hyper analysis social studies. Bet you're a real riot down at the local pub when you try to explain your pseudointellectual ideas to guys who think you're clever if you know how to swap an ink cartridge, but laugh in your face if you don't know how to change a tire. Same mindset, different education I suppose; I'd choose humility and shut the **** up.
TL;DR
No one cares.
i haven't seen anyone else say it, so i suppose i will: the concept of w*ndigo is considered to be part of a closed culture and not up for the use and appropriation of anyone, and most algonquin language peoples consider speaking the creature's name to be inviting it to hear you and 'visit'. i myself am white, but i've seen a lot of ojibwe people go "hey don't fucking use that, it's not for you." so i try not to let it slide when i see it being appropriated.
otherwise, so far i appreciate the video, overlord was a game i never got to play as a kid and i really wish i had, despite its obvious flaws.
Wow what a cool video! Sure hope the comments aren’t “antiwoke” freaks or anything!
“Sky daddy” man you got some religious trauma don’t you.
Edit: I removed my dislike because yeah that mother goddess depiction was just actually racist
This is the arc of "I disagree with you but will listen still to your opinions" and ya love to see it
@@alexb7039 Honestly, it's a pretty healthy and mature outlook. It's like saying that you disagree with someone's opinion that raisins shouldn't be on oatmeal cookies (which they shouldn't!), but understand that that folks have a different palette than you.
I could use a more extreme example, but since we're talking about a game where being Evil is the name and goal, it's very on brand to use the ultimate evil as said example; Oatmeal Raisin Cookies.
Khanlusa spends most of his days on r/politics lol
I kinda wanted to watch this, as Overlord as a game is woefully under the radar and in my opinion isn't getting the coverage it deserves. But when I saw "fatphobia" in the content warning I just left this comment and the video. Screw that noise. Screw content warnings and screw the weaklings who demand them.
So you say the game doesnt get the coverage it deserves so you know the game and suposedly that it had fatphobia but it took you a content warning from a youtube video to realize that? aint you a smart little butterfly lol
Screw weaklings who throw tantrums over content warnings that they could just ignore
@@grumpysphinx4911 Can't ignore shit when the video is chock full of said whining over "fatphobia" to begin with dumbass.
@@masspayne He clearly knows about the game having fat jokes Einstein, he simply knows better then to whine about "muh fatphobia" because only twats who are sensitive about it complain.
…is it bad that I kinda just want this premise but it’s about a trans egg getting cracked (being actually evil not required, of course)
Somehow, I just think that would be the perfect isekai anime/video game…
(With updated humor of course)
that is an amazing idea!!! i myself have a little story in my head that is very trans and is heavily inspired by this game:DD great minds think alike, so they say!
i doubt that'd work, also egg culture is extremely toxic just fyi
@@gadgettop23 Heck yea we do!
Ugh, thinking about this makes me wish I was better at programming or animating, I wanna get it out there!!!
I eh actually have no clue what trans egg means 😅😅 any chance you can tell me? Kinda curious
@@Con-zk1gf An “egg” in regards to trans/nb stuff is a person who is trans/nb but hasn’t realized it yet. When someone figures themselves out they “crack” as it were, with the shell being all the mental defenses/societal conditioning preventing the person from living as who they wish to be/are inside.
I know a lot of us, myself included, were pretty oblivious when it came to signs that we maaaaaybe weren’t as cis-gendered as we assumed (seriously, I sat on all my evidence for a decade before listening to, of all things, an NPR interview with Laura Jane Grace of “Against Me!” after which all the pieces FINALLY fit together). If ya wanna look into it more there are resources you can poke at, myself included ^-^
There’s one I found called “The Gender Dysphoria Bible” that seems good at a glance; Planned Parenthood’s page is barebones, a bit too clinical, but otherwise alright; there’s CZcamsrs like PhilosophyTube and a bunch others I can’t recall rn who’ve shared their own stories, same goes for comics online (that I don’t know the name of off the top of my head XP)
Sorry if ya weren’t looking for the rest outside the egg explanation, I get kinda passionate ^~^
Holy shit this just unlocked a core memory
At least I think I played the remaster version, I don't know if one exists. I just remember seals being involved.
This game is like a light hearted Undead Knights!