UKICE Lunch Hour: How has the EU changed post-Brexit’?
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- čas přidán 20. 05. 2024
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Since Brexit, the EU has changed in many ways. It borrowed money to finance its economic recovery from the pandemic. It has put a stronger emphasis on strategic autonomy, and it created a bigger role for the European Commission in defence matters. Some of these changes may not have been possible with the UK in it. What direction will EU integration take in the coming years? And what does this mean for the UK’s relationship with the EU? Join our panel of experts to find out.
Panel
Chair - Jannike Wachowiak, UKICE
Anand Menon, UKICE
Christine Reh, Hertie School
Fabian Zuleeg, European Policy Centre
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The reason Boris got so engaged in Ukraine is the same as with most leaders with domestic problems...they love to get involved in other contries conflicts (the theme of the movie "Wag the dog"). Boris didn't need to start a war...just in a populist way show it in rhetoric. According to the Kiel institute UK has contributed 0,3 % of GDP where as my country Sweden has contributed almost 0,7% (0,5+1,9) but much beaten by Baltic states and Denmark where Estonia has given almost 1,8 % (1,6+1,9) of GDP . I do agree that UK is great in given support however to say that they are leading...well...maybe in the rhetoric when Boris was PM (fueled by domestic problems with "party gate" etc. )
40:37 in. I think that UK citizen has a total different view about in own responsibility and personal committment in regards to common goals than here in Sweden. I have a summer house on the west coast of Sweden and naturally I have had a heat pump for about 15 years and got 3 layer isolation glassing in the whole house a couple of years ago...in my summer house!!! I have also installed a heat pump in the shed. Non of these are economically justafiable but totally justafiable in regards to my role in the system. Most of my neighbors have done the same without any programs from the state. It's not "we and them". We are the country and as citizen we need to understand our role!!! I am looking at Solar pannels dispite I don't have a EV and cosume quite a little but it is all about our mind-set.
9:00ff 'We turn our back for a couple of years...'
Mr Menon, if you're lucky it's only a couple of *decades* as in 40-50 years. If you're unlucky it will be much longer.
Leaving was *your* decision. Re-admitting you is *OUR* decision. And *solely* ours.
Greetings from civilization 🇪🇺
🏴 more complex than that
@@julianshepherd2038 Feel free to elaborate, enlighten and correct me.
Given the average low level of the 'expert' participants in the UKICE discussions, I kept it short and simple.
3 factors:
1) as of 2024, the UK fails to meet 50% of the accession criteria. She will need half a century to meet those missing 50%.
2) those of us EU27 members that profit from Brexit - e.g. euroclearing - will veto the UK. Nobody here 🇪🇺is stupid enough to hand back said profits in return for nothing.
3) we 🇨🇵 have referenda on applicants for EU membership and will veto little brexitannia for a minimum of half a century. Just for the fun of it and because we can 🤣.
Greetings from civilization 🇪🇺
@@julianshepherd2038After 4 days..... any more detailed explanations????
Very interesting. Thanks!
About UK joining, I totally agree with M. Zuleeg.
Imo UK is better outside the EU (De Gaulle was right from the start) with trade agreements between the 2.
great representation from Fabian
Sure, if one manages to completely ignore his mistakes 😂.
Very pleasant hour. Look out for the comments claiming the EU would not want the UK back. They might be from professional trolls with an agenda.
Before you read those comments, you might educate yourself on the fact that it is not 'the EU' that decides about membership, but the EU27 national parliaments and in some countries us, the electorate, via referenda. And you can rest assured that we voters decide in our own economic and political interests, as in: keeping our gains from Brexit to ourselves also in the future, instead of handing them back to little brexitannia in return for ..... absolutely nothing.
Have fun in educating yourself, since apparently failed to do so during your former 47 years of EEC/EU membership.
Greetings from civilization 🇪🇺
@@EllieD.Violet Your first line reads like one by a Putin troll . I didn't bother with the rest.
@@lacommission.-sitcom696 Ah, sure, Putin trolls are always those who educate ignoramuses like you by pointing out to an organisation's official rules, in this case: the acquis communautaire, and to decision making processes written down in said 'règlement'.
You are free to ignore my educational attempts, the AC, the processes .... won't take you anywhere. They will be applied whether you acknowledge and like them or not.
Greetings from civilization 🇪🇺
PS you didn't 'brother'? Well, maybe try to 'sister', then?
53:40ff Jesus Christ, yet another 'expert' participant who has *ZERO* clue what the SM is about.
Good woman, the SM is about trade and trade only, not about defence.
*OF COURSE* the EU can and probably will cooperate with little brexitannia in defence when she finally - IMO long overdue* - will funnel and concentrate all members' military and defence, analogue to the trade in the SM, but this definitely will not mean the EU grants little brexitannia a kind of trade-in as in preferential access to the SM for the UK's cooperation, should this strange thought be lingering in the back of your head.
And let's be clear: the UK as a random 3rd country will not be part of the decision making, but a 2nd tier partner.
Greetings from civilization 🇪🇺
*guess what member for decades was one of the worst blocking factors for a more cohesive, stronger common EU defence.
Spoiler1: name starts with U
Spoiler2: name ends with K
I think it's you who needs to be observant as the discussion was on a wider role for EU...not the single market.
@@larstenfaelt1859 In the time stamped above, the lady explicitly refers to the SM in the context of defence cooperation.
@@EllieD.Violet Yes in the context that the SM could help out with military support as well...and that is fine. I just heard on the news that other EU members are buying military equipment from my country Sweden replace weapons sent to Ukraine. Thanks to the SM that is seemless and easy. If they bought it from UK or other counties outside EU it would be more difficult. I think this was the message from her. SM as such is just a term to describe the 4 freedomes (goods, serices people and capital) but has no context without the use of these freedoms.
I have no clue what experience you have in the military but it is extremely international, also the trading part...so SM highly implify trade. I have a long history in trading and have a long history before Sweden entered EU in the 90-ties. I have worked in the defence industry and seen this first hand and the huge benefits. I have also been involved in industrial collaborations and seen how great benefit the SM is for all type of goods regardless in what areas but especially in the Military area with common standards and high visibilty of rules for goods that might be part of a larger re-exporting deals. Sooooooo relevant!!!
What type of experience do you have in trade and especially in trade with goods that have extra regulations in regards to re-exporting etc?
@@larstenfaelt1859 Since I'm a forensic data analyst by profession naturally I have no experience in trade. One doesn't need to have experience, only a well functioning brain and a knack for logic.
I don't get your need to explain the benefits of the SM to me, be it in military equipment or non-military goods. I know the benefits of the SM rather well.
All I did was lecture the participants of this discussion about 2 facts:
1) the SM is the internal trade body of the EU and hence not connected to ANYTHING defence related as opposed to what that lady seemed to imply. She explicitly related to the EU extending her potential purchases to source from outside the SM, hence the UK.
2) I reminded her that naturally, given the classification of military equipment, the UK always only would be a 2nd tier participant, and that military cooperation in no effing way could be used by the UK for demanding any kind of trade-in for preferential access to the SM.
@@EllieD.Violet Yes. The problem with UK (where I have spent a couple of my working years) is that they believe that rhetoric and perception is more important to do things and be honest. Sadly they have this imperial excelionalist thinking believing they are "leading" everywhere.