Persona 5 Royal - The Ports You've Been Waiting For - Every Console Tested - DF Tech Review
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- čas přidán 4. 11. 2022
- Finally available outside of the PlayStation ecosytem, here we're covering every single version of Persona 5 Royal available - all of the last-gen consoles, Nintendo Switch, Xbox Series X|S and even Valve Steam Deck! There are no bad ports of this game - but there's definitely a sense of a lack of technical ambition. Oliver Mackenzie has the DF Tech Review for you.
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WARNING: If this is your first time playing this game, remember to indicate to your family, friends and colleagues at work that you will be inaccessible for, at the very least, two weeks. This game *will* became your life.
What family and friends?
Become*
2 weeks lol. More like 3 months
Become*
This is the wrong approach. Instead, slowly condition your family to get them used to a less and less socialable standard over the span of a few months
This game’s soundtrack is incredible.
Yes, it's called jazz. More people would love the genre if it was more widespread
@@wile123456 actually, it isn't. if anything i would say its more Soul music. that combined with rock and funk beats. you can easily notice that by checking live videos or just play the game. although i always loved Persona soundtracks. it's also great for lo-fi.
I gotta get the P5 Royal soundtrack lol but yes one of the illest osts in gaming period.
You could almost say it... takes over... your game experience. Ha. Ha ha. Ha
Listen to P4 soundtracks if you haven't already
As for the visual cutback:
1. It's not that big of a deal. The game still looks nice and it retains its identity. 810/540p are fairly standard resolutions for NSW ports. FF XII runs like that and everybody seemed happy about it.
2. P5R on my og 2017 Switch with max brightness and airplane mode off gets like 3h 50m of playtime. Turning brightness to half makes it reach 4h. For Switch Lite that would be like 5h 30min and for V2 and OLED we look at 6h +. I don't know guys, if this is the visual quality needed to play outside for that long, I'm all in about it.
I got this on launch on PC and I was really surprised how good of a port it is.
It also has my new favorite feature where you can set different ui buttons for your controller depending what you play. Way to many games force me to use xbox buttons while using a playstation controller.
You comment made me want to download it on gamepass now.
So many gamepass games are xbox prompts only (I get it, but it's still not acceptable since PC accepts ALL input devices), and as someone who's only grown up with Playstation prompts, my brain ceases to work when I see xbox ones (especially the X). Not only is the button prompt overlooked so often, but so is rebindable gamepad controls. At most games have a few presets, but usually they don't, and no preset fits every user.
Accessibility is still a problem and it's almost 2023. Just makes no sense.
@@AceStrife on gamepass u cant change the layout of the buttons,just Xbox pad..
I started it up but haven’t dug in, is there any way to add proper antialiasing as even at 4K it still has noticeable jaggies unlike most games.
@@shockwav3xx Of course, silly me thinking Microsoft wasn't run by a head of lettuce.
btw, the Steam version of Persona 5 Royal takes full advantage of Steam Input's "Glyph Query" feature, which means...instead of the game doing the button prompt detection: Steam Input will change the button prompts *based* on the Controller Type.
but you can still manually change the prompts [in-game] anyway.
About 45 hours in, playing on Series X through Gamepass. Music is amazing. I can't stop playing it or thinking about it. Been a while since I've played a game 8-10 hours straight. I highly recommend it, especially if your a JRPG fan.
Shoji Meguro is an incredible composer. If you like P5's soundtrack you should give a listen to the soundtracks of Persona 4 Golden and Persona 3 FES.
F Gamepass! Buy it
@@kraenk12 SupPoRt thE deveLopErs. Amirite?
@@Raansu why does everyone think that theyre getting paid every time someone buys the game arent they getting paid a salary like every other job
@@kraenk12 No.
I'm currently 100 hours into it on the PC, and having so much fun messing around with Persona combinations. One of the greatest JRPG's I've ever played without a doubt. I've also just recently bought an LG C1 so with the OLED, it looks fantastic.
Persona 5 does actually have antialiasing - only on PS3 where it supported MLAA running on the Cell SPUs. Again points to the PS4 version not being the most optimised port, which has impacted other versions since.
Yup, PS3 was the only optimized port out of them all.
Considering hacked PS3 can unlock fps and maintain 60fps in most scenes except city, I assume PS4 could’ve maintained 60fps too if allowed. A worse hardware, the Switch, can maintain 60fps similarly as well.
Only bad thing about the PS3 version was the loading times. I couldn't believe how fast the PS4 footage was when I saw footage
@@mcall9800 they were really similar to the PS4 tbh
The PC port has FXAA and SMAA also.
@@cunnyman The PS3 port only just handles 30fps: See Digital Foundry's comparison of the PS3 and PS4 version. Raising the cap to 60fps with a patch.yml file ruins the frame pacing and softlocks parts of the game.
I can confirm the Switch runs P5R perfectly in handheld mode when patched at 720p. I opted against patching the game to 60fps, but I've seen videos suggesting that it works well, hardly budging below 60 at 540p, although both in tandem might be a little too much without overclocking and/or ruining battery life.
was waiting for this review ever since the game rereleased, didn't expect for you all to cover every port, well done!
To be fair, he skipped PC. Steam Deck is technically PC, but it's more looking at the constraints the game is under when running on that platform specifically rather than PC as a whole.
Also skipped the PS5, they need to rename that test :/
@@samlepirate4845 He didn't skip PS5, he said it's 2160p resolution with 2160 resolution UI and locked 60fps.
@@nihren2406 his negatives about the steamdeck are completely hardware based so its safe to assume pc is the superior platform. Bad contrast ratio on steamdeck? Your monitor can handle that. FPS drops on steamdeck? Your rig can rectify that.
For anybody watching today. If you homebrew your switch, you can get the 720p/1080p mod which works flawlessly without any dropped frames 99% of the time. Only the final boss and challenge fights drop frames to around 25dfps which can be fixed with a slight cpu overclock
I usually hate non-native resolution on Switch and I don't really understand why a technically simple game like Persona 5 has to be downscaled. But still, I don't really notice the downscaling in handheld mode that much (much less than in other games!). The cartoon look doesn't lose that much with the upscaled low rendering resolution. I also played the PS4 version but the long dungeon sequences with its many fights made me put it away early. With the Switch I can play for 15 minutes, put it away and continue later on very easily. That outweights the minor issues with the resolution by far for me.
Yeah the higher resolution 2D side of the graphics go a long long way to fooling us that the overall experience feels like it’s higher resolution. I don’t get the same feeling as say when I tried playing Xenoblade Chronicles 2 in handheld, I had to play that game docked. But Persona 5 Royal on Switch is awesome both on the tv and handheld, and the OLED Switch makes it feel almost as if I’m still on my TV. I have it on Series X as well and I actually prefer it on Switch. Something about the much sharper image quality and higher resolution textures on Series X actually give the graphics a sort of cell shaded look because they feel too clean and there’s just something more visceral and gritty and darker mood about how the game looks on Switch that I prefer. I’m not such a fan of cell shaded graphics, and to me Persona games in my mind don’t fit with that look. And so the Switch version is more visually pleasing for me overall because it doesn’t have that cell shaded look, it just feels like Persona, it feels more familiar. I know that’s a bizarre opinion but that’s how I feel.
The aliasing is a little nasty but when I’m slamming through the menus I don’t really notice
Particularly when more demanding games such as the Witcher 3, Doom Eternal, Dying Light, Alien Isolation and even SMT V which is much more demanding run on the Switch.
are u playing on the switch lite? if so that's why, but it will look blurrier on the oled since it doesn't have the same ppi/pixel density as the switch lite screen
@@melxb No, the standard model, bought it on day one back in 2017. I can notice the downscaling if I focus on small details or contrast-rich edges. But it is definitely not constantly annoying and blurry like in other downscaled games. Never tried it in dockmode though.
Was going to compliment your choice of background music but I forgot that every music in the game is a banger. Excellent video still!
Been playing it on Switch and honestly the little details between it and the PS4 versions are negligible for me. It plays and runs the same way for me and since I have had some busy weeks, it feels so great to just play the game in short bursts on handheld mode. The game just fits right in on Nintendo Switch IMO.
if u are playing on the switch lite then that's why the screen has a higher pixel density vs switch oled larger screen having a lower ppi count looks blurrier, shame because otherwise oled has the better colors...but yeah even while u can adjust/get used to it, just as one can to 30fps, imagine it playing at a crisp native 720p resolution of the screen and it would look like a sticker like the UI elements
Playing through P4G on the PS Vita just felt right. Since then I have considered Persona a handheld series, so I decided to wait and go with the Switch version. Now if only my copy would arrive from Play-Asia.
@@Estorium waited since 2016?! yeah i couldn't do that no way
@@melxb Still better than the few people I know who aren’t gonna get into Persona into P1/P2 are remastered in some way.
@@melxb ikr? I don't understand how people managed to wait this long unless they were unaware of the series up untill this point.
12:00 - This framerate drop still happens even on more powerful systems.
I have a PC with a 3060 Ti / i7-4790 / 16GB DDR3 and a laptop with a 3060 (90W) / R5 5600H / 16GB DDR4. It occurs on BOTH of those machines.
Changing the graphics options makes no difference to the FPS.
Yep. Running a 3080 5600x combo and it also happens. It's weird. But never a big deal.
I've never seen the game drop under 115 FPS. I have a 3070, 5900x and 64GB. Do you prefer gaming on your PC or your laptop?
why’s it always PC games that get the short end of the stick when it comes to optimisation
@@Orginal_Sinner PC though I use the laptop when I'm away or when the CPU on my PC is not good enough for some titles (Watch Dogs Legion, for example).
I am looking into a CPU upgrade at some point.
That kind of drop must have to do with some setting in the game. I'm running the gamepass version on a gtx 750ti + 3rd gen i7 and I'm not noticing this issue ingame. Running at 100% render 1080p, shadow middle, smaa and no depth of field. But I'm still at Madarame's palace, so not sure for others and new big areas.
Although I've noticed a different instance of fps drop, and that is in the "press any button" menu, where from 60fps it gradually drop to 39fps, and slowly gets back to 50ish before the screen fades back to the opening. I think it has to do with generating the background npcs (shades of gray and black). If I go to the next menu (selection menu) it will go back to 60, while New Game page exhibit that drop to a smaller degree (from 52 to 48, and back to 52). It's weird.
Btw I always run MSI Afterburner for an fps and cpu/gpu stat counter.
This was very comprehensive. Thanks!
Thank god y’all covered this! Expecting a digital foundry video for fire emblem engage this January!!!
Awesome comparison video! Next time, can we get chapters to jump to the chapters we want to see please? Thanks!
I played the switch oled version past kamoshida's palace and I didn't even care or really notice the performance
It's an amazing way to experience the game
? he never said switch had performance issues after all it runs at 30fps, it's the resolution and textures that are soupy...it's steam deck with the drops below 60 that has performance problems, but seems it's an optimization issue since even if u change settings and res below max it still does it
I've been playing on pc, 120fps on my monitor and 4k on my TV. Game looks and runs phenomenally.
@@TheScrubmuffin69 i heard where it drops on steam deck happens on pc as well, seems like some kind of oversight that will get patched, curious if u noticed it too?
You don’t play the switch version to make it look good lol
@@omensoffate right, it’s a miracle games run on this decade old garbage mobile processor in the first place, buying a switch game and expecting it to not look like a mobile game smeared in Vaseline is pretty dumb.
I've been playing on my Steam Deck and I've had an amazing experience with specific settings. In the game properties on SteamOS before launching the game, I forced the game to run on Proton Experimental and set gamescope to force 1440p on the internal display which fixes the blocky UI issue since it'll downscale (Edit: I found out I was having blocky UI because half-rate shading was on. I still recommend doing this though because 1440p UI downscaled still looks better). In game, set FPS limit to 60 and rendering resolution to 50% to match the screen's native resolution, and in the Deck performance options setting the screen refresh rate to 40hz and FPS cap to 40. It's way smoother than the 30fps lock and none of the game's framedrops go under 40 anyway so it's hard locked 100% of the time.
Great thinking on this solution :).
You are a genius lmao it worked.
In the meantime it seems they updated it, I get a locked 60fps on it with no dips.
At most when there’s a lot of people on screen, but holds up well in most areas and Kamoshida’s palace in its entirety so far.
Thanks man
Wouldn’t upscaling then downscaling result in image blur?
Note: Ports of P5R is not made internally by either ATLUS or P-Studio but by SEGA Japan CS2 or part of the Sonic Team.
sonic team again, I see. sega should shut them down
@@nathanbraun2067 Why? They made ports that don't drop a single frame on any platform. (besides steam deck)
@@nathanbraun2067 What's wrong? Is it because of Sonic 3D games? Like I get that but closing down a studio will lose a lot of jobs to the programmers, art assets designer and game planners in that team. Making you a fool.
@@xerontokyo good. the talent would be absorbed by better studios
@@IllusiveDev it can't compare to Catherine switch port
The OLED will certainly make the game's colours look a lot better. However, having the option to switch between 1440p 120fps on PC to Portable 60fps* on Deck is absolutely amazing.
I'd say lock it 40fps honestly
Oled can be on pc or deck too.
@@bulletpunch9317 If you have an OLED monitor or TV sure, but that wasn't the point and a none statement overall since it applies to every other platform.
@@ruekurei88 vibrant deck helps. Makes games more saturated. Obviously the switch's oled is better though
@@christianr.5868 Does nothing except breaking color palet accuracy that was defined by the art team.
Playing this game for the first time on Switch, love it
P5R on Switch might be the way I replay the game from now on. I got into Persona in the early 2010's with P3P on PSP and P4G on Vita so finally being able to play P5 in bed is just great for the way I've always played these games. Its been my commute game while I'm on the train to university and both aspects of the game really lend themselves to the way I use my Switch
Something about turn-based RPG's just make so much more sense in a portable setting.
@@Warruz27 Anytime an RPG comes out on Switch at the same time as other platforms I almost always opt for Switch personally because they're tailor made for pick up and play sessions. They're just so easily manageable when you don't have to dedicate TV time to them. It's why I loved the PSP, Vita and 3DS especially.
P4G and P3P will be on Switch soon, January 2023 if I remember. 👀
@@CrimsonFrenchie And I will be triple dipping on P4G and double dipping on P3P. P3P is actually my preferred version of Persona 3 lol
@@icedcapplord710 Tbh P3P is arguably the better version of P3. There are are a few negatives though. Lack of animated cutscenes, the MC is locked to one weapon type and there's no The Answer.
LETS GOOOO, been waiting for this video, been playing it on the steam deck and it runs perfect
high shadows @ 40hz or medium shadows for a perfect 60hz
I just keep 60 only dips I've seen is when you're shopping in the city around the gun shop.
Still haven't played it but few games can compete with it's graphic design and visual style. Will definitely play at some point. Seems essential for anyone who wants to develop games.
Very addicted to this on steam deck. Works pretty great using video out too.
Sweet, thanks Oliver 😁👍
After about 50h, I think that despite it's obvious compromise, the Switch version is still pretty great, especially on portable (I'm playing on an OLED Switch). Yes it's quite blurry but I've quickly got used to it despite usually disliking when a game is too blurry. Also there's barely any aliasing on portable mode for what I saw.
As for docked, resolution are a little better than portable yeah, but the aliasing and lack of OLED screen for my monitor where I'm playing on make me sometime prefer portable a little more.
I've tried gamepass version a little on my PC and it was pretty great, but still settle on Switch for portability (and having to travel quite a lot lately for personal reasons, being able to play in the train is great). I already had the Royal version (and base one too) on PS4 but I've never been able to get into it on it. I've played and finished OG version on PS3 too, so it's quite great to see the difference.
But after seeing this review, it's imo quite apparent that the Royal port weren't really optimised on PS4. While it wasn't an issue there (even tho it could have run at 60fps on it if it was optimized I think), it start to show on these newer versions (and not only Switch one). I think it could have been better on some things on all version.
Overall, still a pretty great game.
I flunked out of this game on PS4 due to all the tutorialization and cutscenes. While I still will find them tedious, I think, with text heavy games either PC or handheld are the way to go for me. And unfortunately I can't play PC games (work from home computer and space limitations). While I used to play Civ VI and other management games all the time on PC, I can't bring myself to play them on a console. I'm learning JRPGs are similar in that they're text heavy with a lot of downtime/menuing. I'm considering picking this up on Switch as I kept finding myself interested, but I will probably never play the whole thing sat in front of my couch on PS5. Glad to hear people are saying the handheld is worth the downgrade.
P5 Royal is a great game on the Switch. The UI is sharp enough all the time. Even if the game looks not that good compared to other version it has the big advantage that you can play it everywhere. So at the end you have all content on every version u choose. I would say the graphics are not that important. I played PS5R 2times on PS4 Pro in 4k but if i would play it again or the first time i would probably pick the Switch Version to play it also in my bed and other places because it is a great game to chill.
It looks better than the ps3 version,what are you talking about?
@@Ramunas211 Switch Version looks much worse compared to Xbox and PS4.
@@Da-iken I'm talking about the ps3 version
@@Ramunas211 ps3 (2006) version is a old last gen version. The game itself came 2017 original and has no Royal Content or models. Switch is from 2017. And it is a fact that the Switch Version looks worse compared to the other remastered versions.
I'm still feeling a little salty that owners of Persona 5 Royal on PS4 not only need to rebuy the game at full price to get it on PS5 but there's no way to bring forward your save file so you have to start all over. Definitely going to skip this one.
Damn. Sounds like this would have been a good time for people like you to start Ng+. Should have offered a $10 upgrade, also transferring save files I think is really complicated to implement in PlayStation
It's little things like that that led me to abandon consoles as a whole. The nickel and diming bullshit for what should be free or reduced cost upgrades.
@@theanimerapper6351 Yeah! I'd be happy with a $10 upgrade fee. From what I've seen, other games that allow you to bring your saved games forward use a game-specific cloud save that don't use Sony's servers (like Final Fantasy 7 Remake, for example)
@@RicochetForce lmao many titles have free upgrades. Stop exaggerating.
Such an amazing game!
Was waiting for this vid ❤
I was waiting for this
I feel like the Series S must be a bit underutilized compared to the other console versions… If the PS4 pro can run this at full 4k/30fps, I’d expect a 1440p count when targeting 60fps on the Series S, considering they have near equal raw gpu power. Still a great game and I appreciate the last gen coverage!
Yeah Idk why it's hard for people to admit it, Atlus didn't fully optimized the game on Switch, PS5 and Xbox Series
This is true, and both PS5 and Series X could be pushed above 4k 60fps, but still it's reasonable and not bad on all consoles
@@XiTSlash Sega, not Atlus
yeah, im sure the series s can handle 1440p60fps (it does on call of duty, so why not on a PS3 game?)
@@XiTSlash Did they even work on the ports? That's not really their bag.
Really sad that ATLUS is taking a poor stance and not offering any discounts to owners of the previous Persona 5/Persona 5 Royal versions. Shows how much greedy they are.
Everyone who pays attention already knows they're greedy with their latest new release having day one DLC for both demons and story content and when talking about Persona 5 Royal specifically having to buy Persona 5 DLC again if you lived in Japan and having to buy Kasumi outfits separately no matter what region you lived in
Sega bro, not Atlus
@@veeetox I am not sure who is the one pulling the strings, but I will take your word. Nonetheless, the point stands, whoever the publisher is, this is not the way to treat the loyal customers.
@@vlaja29 I totally agree, Sega should've done things better
Exactly
I've been waiting for this!
YES! Been waiting for this 😁
One of the best games I ever played. Nice to see it runs well on all platforms!
Crazy how much better it feels running at 60fps. Really wish ppl would stop defending 30fps so it can die already.
@@lowtiergamer2736 depends on the game and just getting used to it 30fps can still be fine also i don't want every game on console to sacrifice graphics to achieve 60fps, with this game not being as demanding obviously it's a no brainer for it to be 60
@@lowtiergamer2736 You seeing 30fps as something that can "die" tells me a lot about you
@@melxb if you care about graphics why are you on console? Go to pc to get way better graphics. I don’t want games to sacrifice performance for graphics.
@@lowtiergamer2736 i actually am planning on, it's just that they are pricey man and because consoles are still awesome vs playing on pc/windows doesn't feel the same and also because pc doesn't get every game especially playstation games and some of their Japanese games day and date...and guess what even on pc I'd chase the best visuals, RT features, u name it in sacrifice for fps lol, of course now u have dlss 3 and all to help, but again man that's a lot of money...also i can't wait for psvr2
I picked this up a week ago on Switch. So damn good. It really does look and play superb on a handheld, especially if you have an OLED model but even if not it still is just so so good that if you enjoy JRPGs you would be kinda crazy to not get it. Sorta like with Dragon Quest XI:S yes on other platforms it is 60fps with higher quality visuals but there's just something so nice about playing it in your hand wherever you are that just rules and outweighs the higher frame rate and crisper visuals to me. It still looks fantastic on the Switch.
this game is perfect for the switch its a jrpg.. turn base one at that... this is not FF7 remake where you're expecting something graphically crazy..
Or get a Steam Deck lol
@@awesome9174 Yeah the Steam Deck is a great way to play too if that is what you have.
@@satysin630 but switch version looks better than the ps3 version
On Steam Deck I have never seen it dip the way the Oliver is showing. I am curious which model of the deck he is using. I keep the fps monitor up for whatever reason and I only see it dip below 60 when its loading and as soon as the game starts its 100% 60 fps all of the time. I've read about other users not being able to maintain 60 fps too so I am wondering why? Why are we seeing this difference between steam decks?
I set the resolution to 1080p in the system menu to clear up the text as recommended by Proton DB. If you have the ability decky goes a long way to making the color more "punchy" on the deck.
With Oliver's recommendation, I bought the Switch version because I knew I would want to play this portably. Normally, I think the OLED is always worth the trade off, but I found in Persona 5 that it was way over saturated and the overall image was overly dark to the point of losing the ability to point out some of the detail in the shows without futzing with the brightness. This is entirely unusual for me to say, but I don't agree with DF on this one. Deck is by far the way to go if you want the ability to play it portably.
With sticky deck plugin on steam deck, you can get that image looking a lot better. OLED switch does have a beautiful screen, but the fact you play on PC at super high visuals and on the deck, pretty easy choice.
For steam deck I'd recommend vibrant deck and turn up the saturation to 130-150, and then you could turn down settings, lower the resolution and use fsr, or use a 40fps cap
I sometimes don't agree how things are graded but overall excellent job.
I started playing P5 for the first time on my life on the Deck while I was on vacation for two weeks before bed and IMO the IPS panel discussion goes out of the window by how well the game runs. I run it native at 60fps no problem on the deck display and been having a blast.
Now that I have a 15 hour flight in a few hours, the deck plugged in to the Airplane power outlet will be my companion.
I appreciate you guys.
I love the driving "physics"! XD
810/540 is about what I expected from Switch TBH. Consistent 30 fps and native rendered UI elements make up for the lower resolutions. 25 hours in and it's everything I waited for!
I'm very happy with the Switch port too!
There’s a mod that can unlock resolution to 720p on portable mode and even in battle scene it still remains 30fps.
I don’t get why Atlus set this resolution lock. Btw when decreasing resolution down to 720p when docked, switch can actually maintain 60fps for quite a lot of time…
@@williamxie5901 Battery concern I would guess.
@@williamxie5901 Is it difficult to install this mod?
@@aidanb.6910 sorry I’m not the one who actually mods and I personally don’t want to hack the console…
If you’re debating between Deck and Switch, just stop, pick a version, and enjoy this amazing game.
deck version
Been playing on the AYANEO Air... Getting a great experience with quality in between the Deck and Switch OLED!!
This just under 15 min video felt like it went on for 3 days with no sleep .
Getting tired of the terrible compromises to play excellent games on Switch.
Been waiting for this! So exciting! Thank you Digital Foundry 💙 to me the game looks stunning on every platform, it’s one of those games that is just so strong in it’s art style. And although the Switch has lower resolution 3D graphics, the 2D graphics which to me is an equally important thing in Persona seem to be running at a much higher resolution and feel almost identical to my Series X copy of the game in practice and since I find myself often staring at the 2D art, sometimes more than the 3D it goes a long way to fool you to think that the game in general is running at a higher resolution than it is. My favorite version is perhaps bizarrely the Switch version. On my Series X the graphics are so sharp that it reveals an almost cell shaded look which I’m not the biggest fan of. So weirdly I prefer the worse graphics on Switch because somehow it’s more visually pleasing and I’ve never thought this before but I prefer the jaggier look to the Switch version because it feels nostalgic and more consistent with Persona 4 and I loved how Persona 4 looked on PS2, I’m a fan of how PS2 graphics looked. A weird opinion I know, but after playing both versions back and forth I found myself always missing the Switch version and I thought it would be the other way around.
But switch has better graphics than ps3
@@Ramunas211 it does, that it does (and the 2D graphics is all higher resolution than on ps3). For me personally the Switch version is the nicest version ✌️
@@lassesuurmunne8340 not just 2d graphics,3d graphics looks better too
@@Ramunas211 I know, but I wasn’t talking about the PS3 version in my original comment anyway. I was talking about Persona 5 Royal which I don’t think was released on PS3, only the original Persona 5 was. So I was never making any kind of argument comparing Switch to PS3, I was talking about Royal and especially the recent releases of Royal. The PS3 version of Persona 5 also suffers from performance issues, the Switch does not. My entire point was about why the Switch version is my favorite, that was the point I was trying to make. That overall I prefer how the Switch version looks. I feel as if even the anime cutscenes animate smoother. My Series X version shows stuttering, but I haven’t noticed that on Switch. They might animate exactly the same on both but the stutter seems at least more noticeable somehow on Series X. I’m still glad I have both versions, and I have the original Persona 5 on PS4 and PS3 but I played that on PS4. Royal is my favorite on Switch. And yes it looks and runs better on Switch. My point about the 2D was that it’s the most noticeable bump up from PS3, it’s 1080p, the 2D. But the 3D looks better as well. And as I was trying to explain, to me, for me, the 3D on Switch looks better than any other version because I just love how it looks specifically on Switch and on Xbox Series X and PS5 the graphics almost look cell shaded because the 3D graphics are “too good” and they reveal this cell shaded look which I’m not the biggest fan of. I was never talking about the PS3 version… maybe someone else is, somewhere but I wasn’t. I thought it was obvious that Switch is more powerful than PS3 to everyone. Peace ✌️
Playing this on Steam Deck is absolutely flawless. If you have a power outlet near you, treat yourself to 1400p downscaled to 800p at 40 fps. Everything looks like absolutely clean 2D art, it's amazing. Go to the game properties in the Steam OS UI to 2650x1400 game resolution, and check "Set Resolution for internal and external display". For this, this option wasn't availble until I once started the game with the chosen resolution, and exited it again. Then start the game, and sadly, you have to set the resolution in the ingame settings to 1440p every time you restart. Enjoy.
You don’t need to go *that* high lol. Downsampling from 900p and locking at 40hz is the perfect way to play IMO.
12:34 Steam deck OLED is here to save the day
On PC I sometimes have FPS drops below 60 in the city areas too, especially when leaving an area like a shop or the Velvet Room, like the game is rendering the world or something. That was the only noticeable problem for me, though
Denuvo causes those.
Yeah, it has Denuvo on PC so even if you wanted to play it on the deck. The game will make you connect to the internet every 24 hours if you wanna play offline.
It's nice the game isn't capped at 30 fps anymore, as that's the feature I wanted most. But 60 bucks is pretty steep...
If you play on PC or Xbox you could maybe play it on gamepass
Gamepass
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Might look into this game on Switch, I watched this to see if performance was up to scratch. Glad it is- I don't mind the reduced render res and texture quality too much
I had been hoping for this video! I was almost ready to give up, I suppose Atlus/Sega didn't give you guys a significant enough early review copies.
I played the Ps3 original, I played P4R on my Ps4Pro and I've been playing the PC version. I'm really quite happy with the PC version, it's got denuvo but, modders already figured out that little bit of wasted money. With my 3080 I have been using DLDSR playing the game at 6k @60fps. It feels really good like that imo.
The switch falling short and the Steam deck not is no surprise but, the Deck is bulky, I really hope Valve one day manufactures some sort of light version of the Deck more suited toward smaller hands and with a smaller footprint for packing. Of course, screen wise the majority of Switch users don't have the OLED--so their screens suck too.
The non-native 4K UI on last-gen mid-gen is an oddity.
Persona 5 was a PS3 game
Someone didnt pay attention
@@alexandrebelair4360 Refactoring the UI for a remake isn't a huge stretch.
just lazyness from devs, they think that this upgrade justifies it's price
I played Royal for 200 hours and didn't notice a difference. They're just black rectangles lol.
The switch port is my favorite way to experience this game. It’s a little low res, but the colors look amazing on the OLED, all the UI and 2D elements are native res and the frame rate is solid. I would recommend it highly
I'm playing on my PS5 and 55" OLED TV. That is the way to play. Too much aliasing on switch version. The cellshaded lines and edges are smooth as hell on PS5 and in 4K
@@mrbobo86lol
Either is great. It's a great game and the ps5 and switch are both great systems in their own way.
After the experiencing the current gen version on ps5 in 4K@60FPS its hard to go back to anything less
Saying 30fps is solid is an oxymoron
I'm surprised no one is talking about the Epilepsy filter during all out attacks in the current-gen and PC ports of the game.
current-gen ports also changed a lot of icons and any assets that closely resemble the Land of the Rising sun art for Korea and Chinese markets hence making it a slightly different game than the PS4 version.
Been waiting for this, though I already couldn't resist and bought the game after looking at other reviews
While a less than ideal Switch port, as a handheld-only player, I'm glad they opted to do this in a way where the framerate is solid rather than focus on the resolution
It's a good port actually. Rock solid 30fps (which is the most important) and fast loading time.
The Xbox One S is only 900p, not that far from the Switch in docked mode. As for the resolution and texture quality, let's be honest, you barely notice them in handheld. DF always zoom in to show the imperfection but it doesn't mean that's something you'll see.
I'm glad they went for a stable framerate rather than higher resolution you would not notice much
you need to take a look at cfw mod for persona 5 on switch that makes it 720p handheld, considering it has no effect on framerate or battery life, it was really unnessesary for atlus to make it 540p in handheld in the first place, tested without any overclocking
coincidentally, 544p is the Vita's native resolution. so if there's a smaller Switch, say, the size of the PSVita, it would be perfect to run this game.
Switch Lite is only slightly bigger than the Vita
I briefly tried this out on Steam Deck before returning it, and I agree the screen just doesn't do the game justice. Wound up getting it on Switch OLED instead. It's not a perfect port by any means, but it does run well. So that's something.
Good stuff!
Been playing for around 50 h so far on switch and I think it’s a great port even in portable mode. But I guess I’m just so happy I finally get to play it 😁😁😁
As a PC player, I don't quite get them saying their were "major" issues/compromises... Nothing looked bad at all, & any flaws they pointed out where after blowing up the image significantly & isolating fine details.
When playing on the portable screen, I'd assume none of that would even be noticeable.
@@corey2232 I mean the point of this video is to point out numbers and stats based on what is shown in the screen so if you find it nitpicky was because that's the whole point. That's just how analysis works.
They analyze each data frame by frame and you need to zoom in as well to show the fine details for comparison's sake..
Yea they did gave remarks regarding that "It can be better" because in truth everything in this world can be better right? But that's not meant to offend anybody it's an honest take imho..
@@vivid8979 Yes, I understand that, but they tend to be so forgiving of anything that doesn't significantly impact the game, often handwaving away performance dips & resolution disparities even between PS5 & SX. Yet in this breakdown they act like some baked shadows or word textures detract from the gameplay. Calling any of these things "MAJOR" issues is crazy.
@Corey When the hell was DF "handwaving away performance dips"??
>"nothing looked bad at all"
>ps3 graphics running 540p on switch
@@ThunderingRoar I mean it's not the first time. The naruto storm games also run at 540p and we're 720p on ps3. It's likely a choice made by devs to pick a lower clock speed in portable mode to save battery life
I was lucky enough to win a copy of Persona 5 Royal on the Switch from a giveaway and I must say that this game runs quite well on it. I’ve been really enjoying this port, especially when playing it in handheld & tabletop mode. 🙂
How does the fps hold up on higher npc trafficked areas around the gun shop and the burger place ect can't remember what that place is called. On deck it'll drop to high 40s
@@Spencerwalker21 I believe the PC/Steam Deck version is the least well optimized compared to console ports. So it likely is down to poor port performance than the system specs. From a relative playing on Switch he hasn't seen any notice of a dip and has completed the game twice so far.
Likely I assume in part due tothe team that ported the Switch and decision to have the game resolution lower than prior Atlus titles. Can't say for 100% certainty, but it seems from little knowledge I know it is locked 30FPS on Switch. Which is better showing than SMT V. Mind SMTV has a slight higher resolution and slightly "better" models of Demons.
@@Spencerwalker21 Just to mention possible current poor optimization for PC/Steam Deck. If we look at previous releases Soul Hackers 2. That game had terrible optimization regardless of platform. I bring it up due to likelihood that the teams that did optimization/ports for that are most likely had a hand in one of if not most ports of this game.
So though the consoles regardless seem to hit the 30 or 60 FPS targets nearly locked. The PC/Steam Deck definitely wasn't as taken care of sadly. Hopefully with enough fan backlash on PC with sales. A solid patch might alleviate whatever is effecting the performance. Though I expect a fan mod patch before any official fix...
Been a while since the video came out so I wouldn't be surprised if it got fixed through optimization of the PC port or Valve doing proton magic, but Persona5R now runs at 1080p60 locked at about 11wdp on Steam Deck which is pretty dope. Sure, it's no OLED, but it looks plenty good to me, especially with the reduced aliasing that downsampling allows. Feels like a no compromise mobile experience now
I actually play this at all of 8 watts thanks to something we call graphics settings... I cannot even tell the difference between "middle" and "high" apart from framerate hehe
Valve updated the Steam Decks screen in the OS3.5 beta and I have to say it makes a world of difference, especially for a game like Persona with bold colors.
Thank you for including the steam deck in this. Hopefully, some mucking around with proton will improve performance.
I set mine to 45 fps at max everything else and that works too. I also use vibrant screen to increase the saturation and this helps bring the color out.
I was waiting for this!
From what I've seen online these ports are somewhat modified from the orginal so I'm interested to see how they work more in-depth!
I couldn't help myself. Even though I already have P5 and P5R on my PS4 Pro I couldn't resist buying it again for PS5. I know the difference is marginal, but playing at 60fps makes it feel all the more smoother to play. Pity Atlus couldn't give us cross save though, but I enjoy the game so much I'm happy to play through from scratch again.
I just got it on PS5 for £22 on Amazon I’ve never played it before
Your Steam Deck performance is a bit interesting to me, maybe newer updates have fixed it, mine runs P5R at 1080p high settings just fine, with locked 60fps. It would be amazing if the display was OLED like the Switch, but I still had a blast :D
UI seems jagged on 12:00 but it's perfectly sharp on 12:15 - a bit confused about it. Is this an issue of the PC port or is it just a video scaling thing?
I think ATLUS focused on meeting FPS targets and consistency over visual quality as to keep immersion pleasing. Also the Steam Deck nails this game perfectly, you just need the vibrant deck, plugin, locking it to 40fps 40hz and 1080p which sill nets you 3+ hrs battery life while having 4x 720p and stunning visuals far superior to what the switch can offer.
Are you using dxvk
>1080p
Deck display is only 800p, needless overhead
Ive been playing P5R on a Switch Lite since launch day and im loving it. The low resolution is hardly even noticeable on such a tiny screen.
Finall, a good DF review again
On the Steam Deck section what is up with your brightness??
I heard so many good things from the Switch port so bought it. Though its absolutely playable and I don't regret the purchase- it easily could've had a higher resolution in handheld. Sega handled the port instead of Atlus or P-Studio - presumably to get the game out in time with the other platforms - so I wonder what the image quality would've been like if it was done internally since they're more familar with the engine after porting Catherine to Switch.
They should bump the resolution of the switch to 600p Portable 900p Docked and 1440p on series s
On the topic of Switch, you guys should do a refresh on Ark for the Switch version's rework that happened recently. The performance spiked up to similar levels of the Base PS4 version from your Final Code tests awhile back. A lot of mid 20s on FPS to 30 with occasional drops down to 17-20, at least according to the built in FPS counter. Though I have not tested dungeons filled with the ants and insects yet, which is what really broke the original Switch port and turned it into a Slideshow.
Only place with significant performance drops is one area in the final palace, where the color bridge puzzle is (at least on my system)
Would have been useful info if we knew what console or system you're talking about
The Switch port is pretty decent. Peopl are being too harsh on a 300$ handheld that came out in 2017.
It's not decent considering that Switch is more powerful than a ps3
I play P5R on PC and it's by far the best version. With 200% resolution scale it looks SOOOO freaking good and runs very well. I'm super happy with the PC version!
The PC version actually has a ton of issues though... it's easily the worst port of this game. Perhaps you just don't notice all the little problems this conversion has. Even worse, the Game Pass version doesn't allow you to get into the EXE file to fix some of them.
@@corey2232 It's also further censored on PC for South Korea. Fear not, there are uncensor mods/patches already. Raidou DLC, Japanese symbolism, and dialogue restored.
@@Tsiri I didn't even know about that... that's very odd! I've just noticed weird graphical issues, performance drops that are unrelated to settings, AA problems, lots of crashing & even some long load times at certain points for some odd reason
I'm still enjoying the 4k/60 fps but can't help but think the Series X & PS5 aren't having these issues
@Adequately_Inane I usually love GP (for PC) as it was like $5 a month when I signed up. But yeah, there's a downside too, and this is one of them. Though I do like that you get achievements from it.
@@corey2232 That's not true at all. I'm 21 hours in P5R at the moment and had not a single issue. Have ypu played it for yourself or are just repeat the nonsense you've read in the steam forums?
What kind of custom sticks or caps are on the Switch at 2:33? They look real nice
already played the game on ps4, but I’m really excited to play this amazing game on switch! hopefully everyone who got this game can enjoy it :D
The Steam Deck screen isn't a total limiter. It has the potential to be more saturated and have stronger contrasts, but requires plugins like VibrantDeck, whether through the DeckyLoader or Crankshaft systems, to pull it off - and while it's no OLED, the colors can be made so, *so* much better than Valve's default, desaturated look on the system. The IPS LCD may be a limiter, but Valve really needs to add proper screen color control natively, because it can actually be far, far better, and the plugin lets me play games with identical visuals to my monitor or TV in contrast.
Persona 5, yes, was a PS3 game.
Persona 5 Royal is a late PS4 game.
It's crazy how the switch version is the most requested and the one that probably sells the most, and they haven't worked more on it. Still, it seems that in general, Atlus or Sega, didn't put a lot of money in these conversions because damn, that the S Series version doesn't reach 1080p is very rare for a game from two generations ago.
Is it me or some stuff look flatter on the new release? Don't know if I like that change.
1:58, the patterned lights on top part of the wall must be bugged on new release. This definitely doesn't look like it's intended.
Now the question is, when is Persona 6 going to come out.
Steam deck at 1080p? Isn't the screen's resolution only 800p? Why go higher and waste performance?
That's not how it works. Just because the screen itself is lower res, doesn't mean you can't notice any changes if anything is rendered above that resolution
It's downscaled, but it will still look sharper
I used to have a pretty crappy monitor, that wasn't even 720p, but I put my games on 1080p and there would always be a clear difference from the 720p
so yeah, it is worth putting P5 on 1080p on the Deck. Users report it looks better and it's worth the performance hit for some (if you don't already struggle to get 60 in crowded areas tho)
The main reason I haven't beat P5 yet is not having time to sit down and play on my PS4. I've tried 3 times, twice on base P5 and once for Royal (basically since the launch of P5). My current attempt I have 60 hours in and just finished Futabas Palace. But in all that time trying to beat P5 I started and beat P4G on my vita (finished at 120 hours) so that got me thinking maybe if I just play it on switch I'll actually beat it. So I'm commenting this with 10 hours in on my Switch playthrough and I'm feeling pretty good. I think I'm going to keep playing both runs at the same time and if I beat one first then that'll be it. I'm excited to see how much faster I get through the switches version because of its portability.
This game is a masterpiece.
The Switch port is a shame! I started playing this game on RPCS3 a couple years ago but gave up due to instability. Then bought a PS5 and Persona 5 Royal was one of the first games I purchased. Fantastic performance and visuals. Unfortunately, I don't have too much time to spend in front of a TV, so I was hoping the Switch version would allow me to get into the game again. But even being a fan, it's hard to pay $59.99 for a PS3 game that runs at 540p low settings. All we want is 720p 30fps on handheld mode. Cammon Atlus, you can do better than this!
Hoping a patch gets released for better resolution. Sounds like the port wasn’t originally in the cards until sega demanded it last minute so maybe they didn’t have enough time to fully optimize.
@@CruxisAngel954 That's an interesting point. As a software engineer myself, I know how bad it is when someone "demands" you to rush with a project.
It would be really nice if they release a patch
Is DF going to cover the new Tactics Ogre and compare it with the originals?
Since I played both the original and Royal on my PS4 Slim with a 720p TV, the resolution P5R runs at on my OLED model is A-Okay, and the 30 FPS lock is absolutely preferable to me even as a turn-based game. There is no game format I’d rather not have 30 FPS-locked at a minimum.
I found it odd that Royal was not 60fps in the first place when it was released on PS4. I mean at the end of the day it is a PS3 games with a bit of extra flare, I feel like the PS4 version could have hit 60fps with an issue. I bet the PS5 and Xbox Series X versions are also barely trying, I bet it might be possible to hit 120fps if the frame rate limiter was removed.
At least we've got the PC port where it's honestly pretty easy to hit 4k at 120fps.
Catherine Full Body also wasn't 60FPS on the PS4 for no good reason
I think Atlus was just really, really avoiding unlocking their games' FPS until they started porting to PC, a platform where 30FPS ports are ridiculed these days
@@Ligytdr And even then some games, like SMT3 was still locked to 30fps. Now that's because that game was a remaster, not a remake, and game logic is tied to the frame rate. But for $50 they should have put in the extra effort for a dynamic frame rate.
The reason is very simple, and it’s sadly something gamers struggle to comprehend at times.
Persona 5’s animations and art style were stylized around 30 frames per second. The animators clearly used the lower framerate to help stylize animations to be weightier and more suited to the comic book/manga-esque feeling the game’s user interface has.
P5R looks okay in 60 FPS, gamers get a fucking massive hard on the higher a framerate is regardless of context so of course, they adore it. However when you compare it side by side to 30 FPS gameplay, a lot of animations feel way floatier and lack the same impact as they did in 30, moving either too fast or too smoothly to the point where they not only don’t have the same expressive style, but they move so fast that you barely have the time to comprehend them.
TL;DR: P5 and P5R were ran in 30 FPS on purpose for the sake of ensuring the articulately designed animations made by their art team to fit the style and artwork more.
@@JackisJack_ Eh, for that exact reason, many of the animations that did not fit well were kept at 30FPS in the higher FPS ports... Dialogue bars, the infiltration results screen... and more. And they blend in just fine
Even though P5 was heavily stylized around 30FPS, it wasn't a justification to not put some extra effort onto what's able to run at 60 without looking strange (literally most of the stuff apart the UI) to do so
sure, some attacks and part of the UI that was unlocked do look floatier, like you said, but I highly doubt that and a few other effects not being faithful were the sole reason to avoid a 60FPS upgrade, even when the PS4 Pro came out, as Catherine Full Body and other Atlus games just never got 60FPS upgrades, either, it was just Atlus being Atlus
and again, the rest of P5 looks absolutely fine in 60FPS, so even if they took what you said in consideration, it's quite a bad decision over so little effects. At least it's how I see it
@@Ligytdr I can almost guarantee you it was entirely a stylized choice. Framerate in stylized animation isn’t the same as getting 350 FPS in a game of Apex so that you get the fastest response time. Stylized animation is about appealing to the human eye with an artistic vision that the creators had in mind, and P5 did that beautifully in 30 FPS. That’s why the game is almost uncannily smooth in 60.
Ask literally any art or animation major on the face of this planet and they will tell you that framerate doesn’t equal quality. P5 is one of the many examples of that. It has nothing to do with laziness lol.
60€ just for 60fps on PS5, Series S|X and PC isn't justifiable. Not even 120fps on PC is justifiable.
They should've priced the ports to 40€ or less.
And plus the Raidou outfit is gone on the PS5, Series S|X, One (og, S and X) and Switch. It is gone on PC as well but it can be modded back in so it's no big deal.
PlayStation players also get the short end of the stick, no free upgrade from the PS4 version to the PS5 version for those who already have it.
The Xbox version has smart delivery and it's on gamepass.
Correct, this fundamentally a years old port of PS3 game's "Special Edition". Atlus' pricing is nuts.
What do you mean? I am playing the game at 120fps just fine
@@Ddiaboloer I'm talking about pricing. 60 euros just for a 120fps upgrade isn't justifiable
@@CrimsonFrenchie Worth it for the mods imo. Felt the same about the Kingdom Hearts PC ports
Yeah a 3 year old port of a enhanced rerelease of a 2016 game is $60
Thanks for checking this one out DF/Ollie. I played the 2017 english release for months back when it released and always had a raised eyebrow towards Royale but just never felt it was worth full price (and still don't) but at least I know if I decide to grab the PS5 version down the road that it runs 4K60. The switch setbacks are certainly disappointing but I feel like anyone gaming there is used to problems like that by now and don't care much. As others in the comments have pointed out , SMTV might hit 720p as a ceiling but it also runs at 12fps on the regular and dynamically goes MUCH lower than 720p and ends up looking very bad *most* of the time. At least the clean art style present in persona 5 still retains a lot of overall lustre despite the setbacks and it stays locked at 30fps too. Once Royales current release drops to a more appropriate price (20 USD tops) I may just be in the mood to play it again.
As someone who played 50% of Persona 5 Royal using remote play on Vita and the PS app I'm jealous of Switch owners who will get to play with the best portable experience. Great game to pickup for short sessions.
Maybe it's because my bar has been dropped so low by recent Switch titles, but I've been playing Persona 5 Royal on Switch and feel like it's a FANTASTIC port. I've noticed some of the same issues you mentioned, but the fact that the game runs at a locked 30fps without drops or frame pacing issues makes the low resolution completely worth it to me.
Sure, SMTV actually reaches 720p in handheld mode, but it often feels like it runs at a butter smooth 15fps with bad frame pacing. I'd much rather it run at 580p and maintain a stable 30 fps than look slightly nicer and play like trash.
I'd rather it play at 580p and 30 FPS than whatever in the hell is going on with Link's Awakening or Bayonetta 3.