Because he really has 2-3 roles. The 3rd is when he bails the crew out with some strategy. Sanji was the only one of the 3 who had a teacher for a decade. People say he got the short end of the stick by having Ivankov as a teacher afterwards but not really. Rayleigh and Mihawk just gave tips to Luffy and Zoro
@@KurokamiNajimi ye he's a strategist, cook, and combatant. It's debatable if he carries a forth role as the only straw hat who can fly, which is supremely valuable on the seas. As Robin put it, he's truly worthy of being the wings of the pirate king.
@@Crimsonraziel zoro is the first mate that luffy values the most and trains 12 hours a day,sleeps for 3 hours and naps between his workouts during the day(official character info).and i think him getting lost adds to his character and shows one weakness of him,since he practically is perfect. Zoro didnt save thousands in dressrosa for ypu to say he only naps or gets lost. You dont watch OP and thats not my problem🤷♀️sanji will never reach zoro's futire heights,luffys as well. Their dreams is to become the strongest. Sanji is a normal dude in front of these two beasts
Dude it shocks me how bad people can be at analyzing a story. We the fans know that this idea of monster trio is huge to the story, yet people think that the 3rd person in the monster trio is going to be introduced at basically the end of OP. That leaves basically zero room for that 3rd fighter to develop in comparison to the trio that was introduced in the prologue of OP and has had literal decades of character development…
I love his "fanboy callout" videos. You can tell when the fandom had driven him to the brink, and he's doing his absolute best to communicate that they're being idiots without actually using the word "idiots".
The one piece community sometimes has some frustratingly bad takes when it comes to the story. It amazes me that some people think yamato will replace the monster trio. Even if yamato joins, luffy zoro and sanji have always been the monster trio. If someone stronger joins that's not going to change.
Robin's comment about the wings of the Pirate King are spot on. Sanji's dream of finding the All Blue is a dream of discovery while Zoro's dream of being the greatest swordsman is one of conflict. To be Pirate King Luffy needs both. When Sanji looks bad its almost always because his priority at that time isn't combat. He is always thinking about what is coming around the next corner. It is just an extension of the dynamic that comes into play when Zoro and Sanji argue about who caught the bigger dinosaur on Little Garden. The answer is that it doesn't matter. Luffy already ate both, Sanji is still cooking, and Zoro is taking a nap.
@@davidortiz3094 Stop the cap bro. It doesn’t even make sense for a story to introduce it’s 3rd strongest of its important characters at basically the tail end of the anime. That would mean less opportunity for growth. As much as people don’t want to admit, there are tiers in the straw hat crew. The five characters we met in East Blue (Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, and Sanji) get the most screen time by far and there is more emphasis on them generally
@@davidortiz3094 we haven’t even seen Yamato complete a battle yet wtf are you talking about buddy. It’s luffy zoro sanji it always has been lmao you must be slow
The fact that Sanji usually gets his biggest moments during the huge arcs where everyone fights-- also informs his character. He is very kind, very caring and very willing to protect his weaker crewmates, so he always steps up when they need him most.
@@troyyort954 I think it was like a seppuku thing of honor that Sanji told him to do in his anger towards a man who tormented a woman. At the time Jinbei wasn't apart of the crew and it was in the heat of the moment with Nami and stuff.
Just remember that when Ohara interviewed a famous japanese youtuber about power-scaling, we found that Japan doesn't give two shits about the monster-trio power-scale.
For how much people love the monster trio, it seems like everyone constantly wants to break it down. Luffy/Zoro/Sanji has been a thing since the very beginning and that's never gonna change. Not only are they the strongest, but they're also the voice of reason Luffy needs.
@@PrimexMaxusTitan makes sense, we have seen them fight alongside each other, for then a new guy coming and everyone disrespects and disregards sanji's strenght
@@PrimexMaxusTitan Because that’s what Oda wants and how it’s been planned from the beginning. Also I don’t think any new strawhat could compare to the bond Luffy has with Zoro and Sanji at this point.
@@nerea4327 Oh wow, I totally didn't know you could read Oda's mind. So amazing. Can you tell us what the one piece is since you know what Oda is thinking? Also, everything Jinbei went through with Luffy doesn't compare to the bond Luffy has with Sanji and Zoro?
@@superwaffle9312 It's not he character's fault fans want to discard Sanji lol. I really don't understand, fans seem like they need the trio to stay a trio no matter what. They're so exclusive about it, if someone else does join then that has to come at the expense of Sanji? Why? That makes no sense
The description about Zoro being Luffy's sword and Sanji being the shield. Is quite good. Zoro beating up the 2nd most powerful guy and Sanji defending the less powerful crewmates. For example, Sanji always save one of the scared trio.
I think the 'Monster Trio' Is exactly as Morj described...it doesn't have to be a static power scale because none of the trio fill the same roles. If you watch how Sanji typically goes through an arc, he's used as a way for Oda to scale certain enemies. Rarely does Sanji ever go out looking for a fight, unlike Luffy or Zorro but when he does encounter an enemy, he's not looking to win the fight, instead he's either stalling or fulfilling an objective. I think there can be a parallel that can be drawn from this entire Wano arc in that Luffy being the 'Emperor (emperor of the sea)', Zorro and Sanji fill the rolls of 'Shoguns' as battlefield commanders of attacking (Zorro) and defense (Sanji).
Damn, makes a ton of sense to describe it this way. Luffy acts as the ultimate piece in the game, while Sanji and Zoro represent the defense and attack. None of them truly equal, but often overlapping
If anyone thinks jimbei is still stronger then sanji when oda is literally screaming at us that sanji is above in rank and he is fighting stronger opponents NO ONE WILL EVER REPLACE SANJI he is been the 3 strongest since he joined 2 decades it's been 1000+ chapters it's never changing
I kept saying this as well, even when Robin or Franky joined, ppl automatically assumed Sanji was replaced. Same thing happened again with Jinbei. Now, people expect Yamato to join the crew and if she does, ppl again will try to put her up there with Luffy and Zoro. No, Sanji will still remain as the number 3 in the crew and will always be number 3, it's in his name after all.
If anyone still doesn't get it after this video, they're a lost cause. Great video Morj, Onigashima really did end being a brilliant avenue for exploring the Monster Trio dynamic.
@@user-im5ri6yr4x You missed my point, all I'm saying is we need to be professional and nice. People can say anything they want online, but that doesn't mean they should be criticized heavily even if they're wrong. Its not hard to explain things professionally in a proper and nice way no?
Also important to note that Sanji's role in the crew is quite different from Zoro's or Luffy's. Zoro is the main frontline muscle and Luffy is the closer, so they're basically always going to be doing some amount of fighting. Sanji, though, consistently plays much more of an ace-in-the-hole or independent operative kind of role. The first means that he is necessarily less active than the other two in earlier parts of the arc's conflict (so that he can have his big charge of the winged hussars moment later), and the second means that he's more likely than Zoro to get caught out on his own or otherwise isolated from the main conflict. As I think I've said before, Little Garden, the casino segment of Alabasta, Skypeia, and the whole Water 7 / seatrain sequence are all great examples of Sanji doing his thing in a very prototypical way, with all of the big moments he can get that way and the potential pitfalls for him as a crew asset. Arlong Park has a similar structure for him, but it's not as obvious both because it's an early arc and because Zoro isn't quite able to fill his own typical role.
Yup. Zoro and Luffy are the brawlers and Sanji is the brains. To me this is why zoro is closer to luffy than sanji. Zoro is basically another Luffy busted ass combat ability but dumb as a pile bricks. While sanji has insane combat ability it's not to the same degree but he makes up with that with smarts and overall utility for the crew. Meaning to me in 1v1 Sanji just will never compare to zoro and luffy but in terms of the overall impact to the crew's victory sanji is just as valuable as either of them.
@@gilsercrow3590 I’m a major sanji fan so I get frustrated when everyone says that sanji isn’t in the monster trio like bro those guys are supernaturally strong. I know that zoro is above sanji so I don’t join those arguments when other sanjitard says sansanjiji is above zoro and I also hate when people down play my bwoy
I think that people really forget in this whole debate is that if oda consistently portrays luffy and zoro as being equal and sanji and zoro being equal then that means that there isn't that big of a gap between luffy and sanji because if there was then the dynamics wouldn't make much sense.
@@shyguypro9876 And at time her bounty was even higher than Zoro for entire 2 arc. And she got higher bounty than Sanji until Dressrosa. But it never changes the dynamic of Monster Trio!
@@shyguypro9876 she was stronger then zoro and sanji though, oda had to show her attempting to take out a zombie with zoros shadow, to make it clear HOW it was possible the other members were stronger. Her fruit is broken
Sanji's the one that carries the crew when the captain's going wild, that's why he constantly gets all the damage. Almost all the times he got the "short end of the stick" it's because Sanji tried to protect someone last minute, hell, even the same almost happened in the "nothing happened" Zoro moment. Sanji's the brain/shield, Zoro's the muscle/sword and Luffy is the leader/captain.
@@danielwilliams693 I don't think him carrying the crew makes him lame, quite the contrary honestly, his loyalty for the crew is quite admirable, you just have to see his sacrifice against Enel to save Usopp to see the point and his place as the Shield and Brain of the Mugiwaras, he takes the attack but not before destroying Enel's ship. It just makes the badass moments feel more satisfying to me since I know my boy is a monster
@@danielwilliams693 It's the girl thing. If he wasn't such a doormat for women he'd be way cooler. I hope there's an episode or chapter where they end up on some island that somehow makes Sanji normal enough to be able to fight against women. I wanna see it at least once. I feel like every time he does something cool he does 3 more lame girl related things. Maybe some strong female chef could teach him something that requires him to beat her in a fight. It could be a cool short filler arc.
@@drowsygem6703 it depends on how you define carry, you seem to be the type of guy who thinks carrying a crew it's just a matter of power which goes literally against one of the central themes of One Piece
My "In-Universe" explanation is that Zoro is always playing catch-up with Luffy, and Sanji with Zoro. So when Zoro seems like Luffy's equal, he is pretty much, and when Sanji seems like Zoro's equal, he is pretty much, but neither always is as they are both simply trying to keep up with their captain's mad pace through the world and through getting stronger. Thus, when Luffy is about to make a "big break foward", Zoro can generally catch up, and thereafter needs to catch up again, and Sanji is often hot on Zoro's tail, so when said "big break" happened recently, they both at the very least *seem* equal due to Luffy's greater power.
I personally think it's the opposite I think essentially what is happening is that Luffy is on an unstoppable swell forward, and Zoro and Sanji keep the pace for the most part. They're both perfectly content with Luffy being the strongest on the crew, and it's only in times when the crew is in danger and they're forced into acting that it starts to look like they're catching up. Neither Zoro nor Sanji's goals require that they be the strongest people on the planet. Zoro only needs to be able to beat Mihawk, and Sanji only needs to be strong enough to discover the All Blue. Outside of that, they need to be strong enough to assist Luffy along his path. Ultimately it is Luffy's direct responsibility - as the man who wants to be the freest person in the world, and as the captain - to be practically undefeatable, so that he can maintain that freedom for himself and his friends. Zoro and Sanji understand that, and willingly fall in line with Luffy's goals and his position as the strongest.
@@PrometheusXV I think you partially missed what I meant, but I might just not have been clear. It is not in any way to compete with Luffy that Zoro and Sanji might feel the need to keep up with him, but to be able to help him reach his goals, to stay useful to him as "his wings", as Robin would put it. I do think that part of how Sanji is keeping up however, considering he isn't really as battle-driven as Luffy or Zoro, is due to his rivalry with Zoro, thus the Luffy > Zoro > Sanji relationship with each trying to catch up to the previous one. Also, when it comes to their power-goals, I think it would be fair to say Zoro's requires to be at a strength similar or higher than that of the current Yonkos, and that Sanji's drive not to get outpaced by Zoro will at least drive him that far too.
I think what people miss with Sanji post-timeskip is that Law stole most of his spotlight. Sanji is the Straw Hat's scheming fighter. Law swallowed up all his shine in both strategy and fighting. Sanji struggled vs Vergo? Law one-shot him. Zoro took out Pica, Law took out Trebol (usually would be Sanji). Law did the entire Dressrosa plan and Sanji was sidelined. Etc. I think Oda struggled giving both characters their shine during the Dressrosa saga. That's what caused Sanji's portrayal to struggle for so long.
That's an interesting point of view. And kinda funny too, because I always thought Law and Zoro's roles were more similar to each other (at least in how they interact with Luffy).
Sanji has been slightly miswritten because he wasn’t there in Dressrosa for half the time, therefore missed out on all the opportunities which Law took. Then in Whole Cake he did nothing but bake a cake, which is poor because I at least expected a tough fight for his freedom but oh well it’s still Sanji>Zoro for me 🤟🏽.
So at that time, Law was 2nd in popularity poll even suppressed Zoro. Oda sensei bring shine to Law because of the story need. However, I have no doubt Monster Trio still his favorite dynamic!
I mean you can’t blame him , at this point if you think the monster trio isn’t a thing , or ever gonna change , your just ignorant and havnt actually read the story.
Excellent unbiased analysis Morj. It doesn’t matter who favors whom anymore, Oda has established the trio with the various examples you have showcased .
Almost, he doesn't mention the fact that Luffy and Sanji are never compared to each other and that Jinbei is a monster, he's not like Franky 2.0, Jinbei is way more powerful, he's an ex shichibukai and mid diffed the strongest Tobiroppo WhosWho. There's a good chance that Jinbei will have another fight and fight Jack. If he takes on the strongest Tobiroppo and Jack right after, he still stronger than Sanji.
@@finishng.2719 he used observation haki to dodge katakuri, fought with oven a little bit, clashed with big mom along with luffy and Luffy told him he needs him to become the pirate king.. he’s had a few feats. You just miss them because they aren’t the typical power up feats. He also got the raid suit in WCI.
@@ronnyfwea bro come on 😂😂😂😂😂Sanji my fav character as you can see by my dp and WCI is in my top 3 arcs my bro. Can’t try come at me with this stuff. I will admit he did nothing despite he’s my fav-if you wanna go into every minor thing he did in the episode well of course he did SOMETHING he was in the arc duh... no one went crazy when he kicked oven and neither was it a huge feat. He saved his family when they was all stuck from Peros’ candy and I can go on and state more like how you are but he essentially did nothing in terms of establishing his name in the monster trio-for a prime example, baking a cake and not having a good 1on1 fighting for his freedom, which I was very dissatisfied by but is what it is Sanjis still my goat. Open your mind abit and face facts, Sanji didn’t get a good moment in WCI which will probably be the only arc in OP that will be as dedicated as this was and I feel like it could’ve been better in terms of giving him those actual huge feats and moments to actually solidify his place in the monster trio, my guess is people come from with the monster trio argument is because these minor feats you talk of don’t really have a place, dodging etc. Not very big stuff. If he was to completely defeat oven-that would’ve been huge. Zoro has been beasting thru his opponents ever since time skip and it’s just like well Sanji hasn’t taken an L but hasn’t been beasting like he has. I get Oda hasn’t made his character to be that sort of person but yet again this why this discussion exists, but when the raid suit gets thrown into the mix i feel like it does give Sanji a fighting chance up against Zoro who has Enma for god sakes, guess you can’t slash what you can’t see😏.
@@ronnyfwea you know how silly it sounds when you say he used observation to dodge katakuri, bruh wtf😭😭😭😭😭😭Luffy dodge punches like no mans business and tryna gas up a dodge he did... wow so cool 😒. I never even said anything about the raid suit-which I’m overly happy about because at least he came back from that arc with at least something to show for it. He’ll be sick when he’s at light speeds with invisible battering people. Anime watcher btw so judging off Page one v Sanji where he used the raid suit that shit was sick and completely overwhelmed page one who took a fat L. W in my books. 🙌🏼
I always had a special place in my heart for Sanji, because growing up with One Piece I was an aspiring chef (now I am one 🙃.) It just always felt super cool to me that even though it obviously wasn’t his entire personality to be a fighter, he could still hold his own and at sometimes even rival the 2 main fighters in the crew. Long live Sanji! 🧑🍳🧑🍳🧑🍳
I hated sanji when i was a kid and a big zoro fanboy i was mad coz why is this guy get to be strong as zoro but then now sanji is my 2nd fave character next to luffy.
I like the point you made about Sanji being laid back and more of a "human" character than the other two in the trio. It makes it that much cooler that Sanji is part of the trio. It's not really his goals, but his principles that makes him the strong fighter he is. Sanji is almost always exclusively fighting to protect someone or something, not necessarily push himself beyond his limits like Zoro and Luffy. And yet, he's still a Monster.
Yeah, that's a really good way to put it. Zoro's goal is to be strong, and in order to achieve that he needs certain principles to follow. Sanji, however, has the goal to live life under his principles, and in order to achieve that, he needs to be strong.
The crazy thing about the monster trio debate is that it never was a debate, the monster trio is as set in stone as Bungee gum having the properties of both rubber and gum, ppl just make up their own ideas in their heads and want to argue about something
The reason Oda has waited until Wano before Jimbei joined the crew properly is because Wano is the first time in the story Jimbei can join without disrupting the established monster trio, which has had a faster power growth rate than Jimbei.
Actually now Jinbe is almost too far behind lol. Zoro with his advanced techniques, sword and Coc then Sanji with his invisible speed, exoskeleton that can tank hits from Yonko commanders without taking damage, and new leg style are so far ahead of Jinbe its kinda crazy lol. Jinbe being around Tobi Roppo level wheras Zoro beat King high diff and Sanji beat Queen low diff, Queen couldn't even perceive of Sanji nor damage him lmfao. The monster trio will never change now because they are so far ahead it's ridiculous
Something I think people don't realize is that Sanji isn't a meat head who's trying to be 'the king' of his contemporaries or the best in his craft (he's already a world class chef, lol). Sanji is more of a 'normal guy' who just so happens to be the third strongest of the crew, so him getting his ass beat regularly doesn't somehow invalidate that, lol I mean c'mon
But it does though, it creates massive inconsistencys power-scaling wise, because then you have major inconsistencies, for example in one piece time it was about 1 month since sanji was “struggling” vs vergo, who is much much much weaker the doflamingo, but now we see him taking queen, and he doesnt seem to be having too much of hard time, and queen could be argued to be atronger then doffy, im not even gonna get into the fact that sanji was holding both queen and king together, even it wasnt for much the simple fact that both of them together still wasnt enough tire him out, when a suppressed doflamingo was literaly seconds away from killing sanji makes no sense, and i can even go one step further, sanji in raid suit could not deal any significant damage to page one, but yet here he about 1 week later, forcing queen to use hybrid form, so yes it invalidates sanji progress it just making it seem like sanji was either A) holding back for the entire post-timeskip, or b) he somehow got stupid strong with literally no training.
@@deadshot6554 yeah i agree with you but its about the amount of fights, its about the lack of progress shown as to how sanji went from semi-comparable to vergo, who was much much weaker then doffy, to being arguably stronger then him in about a month and a half maybe two months, with no training or anything at least if we saw his progress it would make sense, or if he breezed trhough post-timeskip like zoro did we could understand, because it makes no sense. Even if you dont count the fight he actually lost, all of his other fight POST-timeskip he didnt look like he was gonna win, the only, one you could argue he would have won is probably page one. So the point isnt about him not getting enough fights but that oda should have shown how he got from weaker then vergo to potentially stronger then queen, with no training, no raid suit, no haki bloom, and no pushing himself past his limit.
@@jcedc8668 but he was never wreaker than vergo, he was way stronger, he speed blitzed him. Overpowered him with his kicks, the only thing vergo did was Crack his leg, big mom, apoo knocked out luffy, does that mean apoo is stronger than luffy?
@@deadshot6554 even if you assume sanji is stronger then vergo, it was pretty evident that he struggled, which goes back to my poinr rhat sanji power creep makes no sense, and sanji is the only character that was written in thag sense, where his power is on par with vergo at best to on par if not better then queen in just a few weeks, with no training at all, like come on
As long as it's not a bs power creep. Oh look sanji got his ass kicked by vergo but with the raid suit he can defeat commanders. I think it needs to make sense,I have a feeling next ch will help with that. 😉
@@blyzer7373 Vergo fractured sanjis leg,that's like someone chipping zoros swords. Also while sanji hasn't used the rs he also hasn't don't any real damage to queen or king besides keeping them mostly occupied. I don't doubt the rs makes him stronger. I'm looking forward to see sanji test the limits against a strong opponent.
Zoro and Sanji were literally just referred to as the wings of the Pirate King. I don't know how anyone could see that and doubt whether Oda still sees them as the core trio of the crew.
The main problem for Sanji was the matchups after time skip. Oda put him against Vergo(who fought Smoker and Law at the same time) and Doffy like wtf (and even so Sanji stood his ground prettty well)
@@muundus7, it wasn't easily if he fainted afterwards. Also, Queen was hitting himself with his own lasers (which freed Sanji) and refused to use all of his techniques until Sanji brought out the raid suit, which gave Sanji more time and free hits. And if that wasn't bad enough, Queen then turned his back on Sanji to mess with some random woman and that gave Sanji his final opening. Current Sanji would still win against a competent Queen but it wouldn't be easily if Queen doesn't mess around.
I mean the content of this video is pretty obvious. Most readers unfortunately get it wrong because even after 1000+ chapters, they don't understand the themes that Oda has been going for for the past 20 yrs. I still find hilarious how people thought Marco would be the final opponent of King cuz birds, first yonko commanders, etc. Too many low iq OP fans.
Man if Marco fought king, it wouldn't have felt even close to as powerful as this beautifully drawn panel were zoro and sanji attack king and queen,some were even complaining that marco didn't fight king, it's the same as complaining that a theory you made didn't come to fruition
Marco defeating King would be as if game NPC defeated miniboss in the cutscene. It's cool.... For three seconds. It's not Marco's story. I always assumed that Marco would just help in some way, but not be involbed in any major fight
Sanji jobbing to strong opponents is actually really in line with his character. He's kinda like Genos in OPM. He'll put himself out there to protect anyone no matter how much stronger they are than him. But at the same time, he's still incredibly strong in his own right.
Sanji has always been one of my favorite SH’s. Cool thing about Sanji is that he always does something unexpected. He’s a bit of a underdog but it makes it that much more exciting when he comes in clutch. WCI was a really good arc for him.
Coming back to Doriki system, I love how Sanji's opponent was just barely weaker than Zoro's. That way Oda managed to not only keep rivalry going, established that they're both pretty similar in power and made sure that the one from Monster Trio that usually get's Ls is fighting weaker opponent. That way Oda Can use strong character to depict formitable opponents without jeopardising one character that mostly works off of spectacle. Because to be honest you can summarize whole One Piece in Monster trio: Zoro being the amazing spectacle, Sanji being the depth of the characters and Luffy.... Being Luffy. The wackyness, the dreamyness and the heart. All of them have those qualities (I'm not implying that Luffy or Zoro lack depth), but each of those is mostly focusing on one of those more than other two. Zoro is amazing character, but he's pretty limited, as he's the only strawhat that cannot outright loose a fight, so he's mostly used to be powerful badass. Luffy is the main character, and although he is shaping whole story with his will alone, he too have to defeat his opponent eventually. Luffy also can't just give up. He's depicted as someone with indominable will, after all. Out of the three only Sanji gives Oda so much room to put him in different situations. Only he can run away to protect his crew if he thinks there is no other way, only he can lose and stay down, only he can look for creative solution that doesn't involve persuading enemy to commit unliving. Of course that has it's drawbacks, since Sanji is the only character that can have long lasting failures, after couple of arcs(Especially if each lasts over a year) it can make fans of the character rather dissapointed. Especially since Oda is much more creative in New World than in Paradise. I just hope that he will eventually give Sanji his moment that is just as creative as his setbacks.
It’s really hitting most of us now just how close we are to the end. I really feel like we’re watching the crew of a yonko start to fill those footsteps
Zoro is meant to be offense and aggression. Sanji is meant to be defense and kindness. Luffy is meant to be all of that. It means during a fight, Zoro's goal is to defeat his opponent, where as Sanji's goal is to make sure everyone is safe, and that means Sanji is going to lose some fights. Back when Luffy fought Mikawk, he said the most dangerous thing about Luffy was his ability to win people over. That's pretty much all Sanji ever does.
The biggest issue here is just that people aren't used to reading weekly so when they see Sanji not.doing much for years they just assume he's lesser when he's really not
No its because of clear plot holes with him. It showed him like 2 months ago having to high diff vergo, then as he should, getting smacked by dofflamingo easily. But now....for no discernable reason hes fighting queen.....and narrative wise he'll probably win. Zoro at least never struggled, always deferred to luffy, and then we find out his ashura is CC, there's no reason to think he was up there with the other 2. Wanna complain blame oda, he should've mentioned sanji grinding after seeing how strong just the right hand of a warlord was
@@bobbob-zc1nx I personally believe that the Strawhats get stronger after a large fight as opposed to doing individual training like is displayed in other anime. In Enies Lobby, Sanji could barely damage Blueno and does not train at all and is then able to pretty easily overpower Jyabura with Diable Jamble for example. I Zoro did most of the fighting in Dressrosa while Sanji didn't fight until Doffy and then he left to Zou. On the other hand, Sanji did a lot of fighting in WCI while Zoro was undercover in Wano thus bringing them back to a similar playing field where they were both fighting throughout most of Wano when the other SH's get there. I don't think it is incorrect to say Zoro was stronger throughout Dresserossa-most of Wano because he was most active during that time and only recently Sanji came back to that level though his fights.
@@bobbob-zc1nx Its sumn that's been going on since the beginning of the series so not sure why you complaining now. And you also dont heed the context of those fights. Sanji prior to fighting vergo, nami was in his body and was taking hella damage. So the sanji that fought vergo wasnt at 100%. And we've already seen fights where sanji breaks his bones and still wins. Like in his fight with mr. 2. And after fighting Vergo, Sanji kept walking and running normally like nothing happened the rest of the arc. As for his fight with doffy he had no knowledge of how doffy df functioned. And doffy himself acknowledged he was strong. We already saw the same happen to luffy when he fought doffy. Regardless like the video addressed sanji is used to elevate other characters/enemies strength such as vergo,doffy,etc, even at the cost of his protrayal which may make him appear weak in some instances but regardless he will always be #3.
@@bobbob-zc1nx please read and interpret with some nuance... all this terminology "high diff", "getting smacked" is just to confabulate a false narrative while it is clear we are ignoring the circumstances of the encounter and prematurely drawing a battle conclusion just from few panels of exchanging blows.
@@ryou7346 Relative doesn't mean exactly equal. It just means that they're close in power. I agree with your order but I I think the gaps between them are very small.
@@yugfus 🤣 what? I wouldn't say there oceans apart but my guy luffy is far above Sanji especially since he will beat kaido and above zoro because at best zoro will take out a yonko commander and so will Sanji but it will be a drag out brawl for those two aswell as for luffy.
@@KonohazFinest Most likely Zoro vs King and Sanji vs Queen won't be as dragged out as you think. Most of the time Zoro has a slightly harder time with his opponent than Sanji but still has an easier time than Luffy. Then Sanji has a mid diff with his opponent. Morj brought it up in a previous video. A great example of this dynamic is Zoro and Sanji vs Kaku and Jabra when you compare it to Luffy vs Lucci. Lucci was twice as strong as Jabra and Kaku but Sanji and Zoro had way easier wins than Luffy. Zoro and Sanji struggled at first then broke out their new moves and won immediately. They were still able to run around easily. Sanji still went on to open the Gates of Justice. They still fought marines. Luffy finished Lucci and couldn't move afterward. We know Lucci was much stronger than the opponents Zoro and Sanji faced but have no idea how much stronger Lucci was than Zoro and Sanji. Another great example of the ambiguity of the gap between Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji is Wano. Zoro performed very well on the rooftop when he was fighting the Yonko alongside the other supernova. Everyone thought that Zoro was undoubtedly above first commanders but now his opponent is a first commander. Everyone thought Sanji was weak because of Whole Cake and because even though he didn't lose any fights while he was on Wano mainland, he didn't finish them either. Sanji was dominating Page One but since he didn't finish him, people thought he would fight a tobbi roppo member in the raid on Onigashima. Now Sanji has clashed with King, been shown to be winning in any exchange he's had with Queen, and held off King and Queen for a period of time. He's also being set up to get a power up. Zoro is also being set up to get a power up. By the end of the Wano arc we'll have no idea how close they are to Luffy. It's also important to remember that while Luffy will be the main force to take out Kaido, he's had a ton of help and he may not be exactly equal to Kaido either. The gap between Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji seem to vary from small to large. Right now I'd say the gaps are small.
The thing is after a while we will not remember those few small losses for Sanji but the emotional moments and him defeating the actual "Strong" guys from a major arc.
@@blyzer7373 he may have only lost one legit fight, but came up on the losing end consistently post time skip. He almost broke his leg against Vergo and wasn't even comparable to doffy. It took him getting the raid suit to even be in contention with the top teirs in the verse. Without the raid suit he couldn't defeat a commander. But if you replaced Zoro's blades with weaker ones, he would still be a better choice than raid suitless sanji
Huh. Just like the bounty discussion, if you think about it. This trio dynamic is only partially about power levels and overall strength. It's mostly because they are a storytelling trio. They are characters serving the themes of a story before they are fighters with any objective measure of their strength. Strong new crew members do not change this storytelling dynamic because it is the dynamic which determines power level, not the opposite way around. Just as bounties follow from storytelling and not some useless in-universe measuring stick, this power level dynamic exists as a character thing and power levels scale up as needed to follow the storytelling demands.
Spicy take: People don't understand this because they aren't used to a mangaka knowing what he's doing from day one like Oda has known. (Maybe an exception for Attack on Titan, which gets its own share of hate on first reads.)
@@benabaxter Can I ask what things are hated in Attack on Titan? Please no spoiler for the end, I watched only part 1 of the final season, so until Eren is with Gabi on the roof and is attacked by Rainer.
Yeah some extreme fans in fandom got really vocal and they think their annoying opinion represents the truth or majority. But most of the readers might not want to argue or bickering just want to enjoy what the character or story or emotion it delivers! The popularity vote says something other than the extremists are saying! So, agree with you, Morj is doing God’s work!
It really isn't complicated. *The East Blue 5* are the heart of the crew. He needs someone who shares his love of combat (Zoro), someone with his sense of humor/a friend to laugh with (Usopp), he needs someone who can navigate him to his dream (Nami) and he needs someone who shares his love for food (Sanji). And within those 5, there is the monster trio, seeing as Zoro shares his affinity for combat, that would explain why Zoro is constantly shown as comparable to Luffy. Sanji and Zoro are a different story, their rivalry stems from having fundamentally different beliefs ( I can go in detail if you want) but they are still friends.
I Don’t think their rivalry has anything to do with beliefs that’s just headcanon when did they EVER fight or argue because of different beliefs ? they just argue and fight for gags and that’s it y’all just take it too seriously and I’m sure both of them respect each other’s beliefs And zoro himself was never shown to be brutal against women he only really slice up men and make them bleed but never does the same to women so their rivalry coming from different beliefs is just bullshit headcanon an asspull from fans that has no evidence from the story to support it whatsoever and I’m sick of reading it everytime where whoever said it thinks they’re so smart when it’s the opposite
I had this argument with someone about Yamato and I just can't believe some people actually think Oda will bump Sanji down out of the monster trio.... like are we reading the same story??
Everyone is reading the same story. Oda loves sanji, but a lot of the Fandom doesn't like how oda uses him. But this is what oda wants. He knows Luffy and Zoro will be favorites because they are power oriented. If this was a show like toriko that is all about food, then sanji would be more liked. This is a Shonen and bad ass characters will always be more liked. That's why every time a new candidate pops up, everyone hopes that sanji gets replaced. But Oda likes Sanji so he will always be in the monster trio
@@freddiethompson2253 Sanji's number 3 in Japan and 4th world wide I doubt it because a majority dislikes Sanji, it's more like a minority that is extremely vocal. I mean it's a shonen, the assumption is that a bunch of fight hungry teen are the only ones that watch One Piece but there are a lot of other older viewers or just some with different perspectives that overall still place Sanji as the 4th most popular character in One Piece world wide.
@@visionaryvjae5641 sanji is still below the other 2 in the monster trio. Of course sanji will get more votes than the other characters. He is a member of the straw hats, who is currently the #3 on the crew. Him being highly rated is expected. Again I'm not saying he isn't powerful because he is. But everyone saying that others should be in the monster trio instead is valid. It's rare to hear things like, Zoro is going to be replaced in the monster trio. And that's because sanji is by far the weakest link
I always imagine it like a graph, and the players Luffy, Zoro and Sanji have variance to their "power". If Luffy is a 100 at average, his tops is 120 and 80 his minimum. Zoro's average is like 85, his top is 100 and his minimum 60 and lastly Sanji, his average is like 70, his top is 85 and his minimum 55. Don't take the numbers seriously, I just wanted to point out that Zoro and Sanji can be equals while Zoro and Luffy can also be equals, depending on the context. If Oda wants to portray it one way, there is a way todo it and if he wants to do it the other way round, also fine,since there are no set in stone power levels like people love to assume. I think it is very clearly pointed out that if you compare the best potential those 3 have, you get a clear hierarchy with Luffy>Zoro>Sanji, however that doesnt mean that one of the lower characters cannot outshine or equal the ones above in certain fights, moments, scenes etc.
As far as new crew mates being perceived as stronger than Sanji goes it actually goes back even further than Franky. As someone who was reading the Manga as far back as Alabasta people thought the same thing about Robin. It really is ridiculous that people still think someone will ever supplant him, ITS NOT HAPPENING PEOPLE.
Sanji fights King and Queen 2v1 for a while and literally is called a wing of the pirate king Zoro fans: wOw i cAn'T bElieVe vErGo bRoKe hIS LeG sO wEaK
I think it's important to know that among the East Blue 5 there are multiple trios and character dynamics: Luffy-Zoro-Nami: The main trio, the characters that tend to get the most focus overall and the initial 3 crew mates. Luffy-Zoro-Usopp: A dynamic where they act dumb or silly and annoy Sanji or Nami. Luffy-Zoro-Sanji: The Monster Trio. Luffy-Nami-Usopp: Usually made for jokes about Luffy being reckless and Nami and Usopp being scared. Luffy-Nami-Sanji: Again usually used for jokes where Luffy is being silly or dumb and Sanji and Nami get annoyed at him. Luffy-Usopp-Sanji: Way more earlier on, but they were the pervert trio in places like Alabasta. The biggest addition has been mostly Chopper to add someone to cower along with Nami and Usopp.
We all know which people pushed for the idea of Monster Trio not being a thing or that Jinbei is replacing him and once again those people show why they are the worst part of the fandome.
i mean, when it was first announced jinbe was joining it was confusing to see if he was going to be stronger or weaker than sanji because of all of jinbe’s feats. But now we can see that oda isn’t changing the Og trio.
@@twotwon4201 When Jinbei was joining his feats were greater than both Sanji's and Zoro's yet it was only Sanji's position in the M3 that was question. I wonder why /s
The thing about Yamato that so many people aren’t considering is that the Monster Trio isn’t just a power level. It’s a dynamic. It’s not a matter of strength but also a matter of character. Even if Jinbe and Yamato are powerful enough that they *could* supplant or rival Monster Trio members, that doesn’t fundamentally change that the Monster Trio will always be Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji.
Yeah there is Morj is high. Saying there isn’t an answer is like saying Yonko aren’t significantly more powerful than their crew. The gap between all 3 of them was small early on but it slowly widened as the series progressed. Just look at their bounties. First Luffy wasn’t even double Zoro then he was more than double, now he’s more than 3x as high. Lucci was almost twice as strong as Kaku/Jabra which is how I’ve been treating Luffy which has been accurate portrayal. Zoro and Sanji have been fighting irrelevant people while Luffy has had to take down people like Doflamingo, Cracker, Katakuri. Zoro looked ok against Fuji since Fuji doesn’t have a cheap ability like Doflamingo but it was obvious he’d get destroyed if the fight continued with Fuji being serious. Doflamingo broke out of Aokiji’s ice casually and wasn’t afraid of him or Fuji yet shits his pants when he hears Kaido’s name. Fuji couldn’t come close to one shotting base Luffy vs Kaido one shotting Gear 4. Yonko>>>Fleet Admiral>Commander=Admiral. Zoro has also said he expects Luffy to be significantly stronger than him or he won’t be satisfied. After this arc ends Luffy will be strong enough to solo his crew just like the Yonko can do to their crew. Even Roger vs Rayleigh shows this because Roger ran through Oden easily who was the same level as Rayleigh/Scopper. The only reason Zoro gets paired with Luffy is bc he’s his right hand. There’s never any portrayal that they’re equal in strength since Enies Lobby
Seeing OP fans argue about the monster trio and crew dynamics has made me realize that most people don’t know how literature and story telling works. We should all know by now that Sanji is “measuring stick” in seeing how lethal antagonists are to our other protagonist…
Zoro is also sometimes used as a measuring stick on the Big Bad, on how even Zoro is unclassed by the enemy and only Luffy is able to take him down (Arlong, Enel, Lucci, and now the yonkous)
@@davidv1341 if you notice when Zoro “loses” in place for luffy to save the day Oda always makes a reason. IE: Arlong was scared to death of him if he was fully healthy, luffy is rubber for Enel, literally made to be beat by luffy. With Lucci he already fought but was injured (I do think Lucci would’ve won high diff though, but who knows). With the Yonkos even luffy can’t do it by himself, Zoro was just as impressive especially before luffy awakened
What do you mean oda doesn’t make luffy and sanji comparable? Does he really have to spell it out that Sanji is the one that holds luffy back when he tries to break the fridge and steal the food?
The fact that this argument is such a heated thing in the One Piece fandom (to which I'm very new) is so interesting to me, bc I've never been in a fandom (or maybe certain subsections of a fandom) that placed so much importance on who was the strongest before! Maybe it's bc I tend to favor characters who unambiguously AREN'T the strongest in their story, but strength has never been a factor for me when deciding which characters I like best. Sanji is my favorite of these 3 and it doesn't really matter to me how he stacks up against Zoro bc what I love about him is his skill as a cook and his kindness! I think it's entirely accurate to say Sanji doesn't always get to show off in fights bc that's not his primary role in the crew and being a strong fighter isn't directly related to his ultimate goal. For Zoro, being the strongest is the whole point (world's strongest swordsman), for Sanji being strong is a means to an end (can't find the All Blue if you're not strong enough to survive the journey!)
I totally agree with the video, the dynamic changes swiftly from being both sanji and zoro standing side by side and helping out luffy, and luffy and zoro standing out compared to sanji and the rest of the strawhats. I think there is a reason to it, and that is Sanji is first and foremost a chef before anything else, so his mentality and his motto is really different than the other two, like "i'm gonna do whatever it takes to defend you, and when the time comes i will put my life on the line to defend you guys". Luffy and Zoro, besides that, they want to prove that they are respectively the strongest pirate and strongest swordsman. Therefore, the two are more battle oriented than Sanji. But, when it comes to defending the honour and lives of Luffy and the rest of the crew, Sanji and Zoro are the ones stepping up to the plate.
i think this more proof of how fast and loose and overall ambiguously Oda likes to handle powerscaling in One Piece. Still wild to me that so many take it so seriously, shit's fun but my god people love to focus almost solely on that aspect because it's a battle shonen without understanding the priorities of the story, ignoring the very obvious cues Oda has given time and time again regarding how he goes about it.
Since Wano is the most recent arc our perceptions are a little bit bias toward Zoro, but we need to remember that almost all of the Whole Cake arc was about Sanji. Both Sanji and Zoro got their chance to shine in their element. They were both depicted as being either on or near Luffy's level. The important thing is each Strawhat is able to be a force alone but together the group is unstoppable.
Why can't it just be Luffy>Zoro>sanji With equal difference in all of them, which is not big Every fight between any two of them will be extreme difficult anybody can win given the circumstances
Thats literally the order. The Doriki of CP9 confirms it pretty much. Zoro and Sanji had an easier time while Luffy had a really hard time beating his opponent. So the gap between the three is really close but its still clear who is stronger.
@@GioHimonPro yeah but Luffy defeated 2 members, Blueno~ 820 Douriki, Lucci~ 4000 Douriki if we add them we will get 4820. While Kaku and Jabura are 2200 and 2180, if we add them together we will get 4380. So here is the difference, that’s why i think after EL, Luffy was leagues ahead of them.
@@GioHimonPro Sanji's opponent had 20 doriki less cause he was already beaten and injured by Califa. If their opponents had the same doriki fans would think Sanji was stronger.
One thing Morj forgot to say is about "investment". Luffy Zoro Sanji has been deeply rooted in the fans' heart, they will never change. Years has been put into this.
If we look at it straight, the entire monster trio just can't be aiming for the main villain as there needs to be someone handling the sidelines for luffy to be able to comfortably fight with the main villain. Luffy trusts that his crew mates will handle everything else so that he can focus on the main thing. If all three went for the main guy, half of the straw hats would get wiped out.
Interestingly enough. When a fight starts Luffy usually rushes ahead. Followed by Zoro while Sanji stys behind to rather protect the crew. Zoro then stays behind to let Luffy advance and Sanji then catches up with Zoro. It's always been implied since Alabasta that it's luffy>=Zoro>=Sanji
I wonder if the reason oda have one of zorro eye close is to go along with sanji having one eye always covered cause before time skip sanji had his other eye cover and after it was switch while zorro now only looking through one eye which is the same side eye sanji was before timeskip so if you pair them together you get a full pair of eyes
SPOILER 1023 : the first panel of 1023 the side comment says "STANDING SHOULER TO SHOULDER" as sanji and zoro stare down at the 2 calamities they just shot down... very intriguing sir morj
Preach! This is the kind of topic the people engage in, also love talking about power scaling all the time and disregard any other aspect the author focuses on!
Basically....from what I understand Luffy: Focuses ahead having faith that others have his back Zoro: Is where he is needed Sanji: Is where he is needed
That is a great analysis, as always. And I think that what add more to it, is the fact that its never clear if Sanji is not depicted in the big moments just because he cant, or if it is because of some other random reason. We saw that right now in Wano. Oda created a full situation to prevent Sanji to go to the rooftop, which raises the question: How well Sanji would have gone there? He created a similar situation in TB too.
Isn’t it obvious what Sanji’s role is? He’s worked in a restaurant all his life. He’s not only the chef, but he’s also the server and bus boy. He’s the one who washes the knives in the sink
as a sanji fan i think its painted clearly many times zoro is stronger but still inferior to luffy. kinda like a dominant (right) hand is stronger than the other however still comparable in strength
It’s as easy like this . Scopper gabban silvers Rayleigh. Silver is superior to copper. The third strongest will always be inferior to the second strongest. Zoro end of series will the World strongest swordsman. Sanji won’t be the strongest anything
@@lxfj2128 “ Sanji won’t be the strongest anything “ 🙄 Sanji is equal to zoro they are on the same level but you’re too stupid to understand that and all zoro fanboys are the same y’all are dumb as fuck to understand portrayal zoro and Sanji are always portrayed as equals which means they are equals it’s a fact wether you like it or not
It's pretty impressive that Sanji is able to keep up with Zoro when Sanji's dream isn't combat related at all and his role in the crew is a cook
Because he really has 2-3 roles. The 3rd is when he bails the crew out with some strategy. Sanji was the only one of the 3 who had a teacher for a decade. People say he got the short end of the stick by having Ivankov as a teacher afterwards but not really. Rayleigh and Mihawk just gave tips to Luffy and Zoro
Zoro's role in the crew is taking a nap or getting lost.
@@KurokamiNajimi ye he's a strategist, cook, and combatant. It's debatable if he carries a forth role as the only straw hat who can fly, which is supremely valuable on the seas. As Robin put it, he's truly worthy of being the wings of the pirate king.
@@scoresdavis3435 Robin can fly also bro
@@Crimsonraziel zoro is the first mate that luffy values the most and trains 12 hours a day,sleeps for 3 hours and naps between his workouts during the day(official character info).and i think him getting lost adds to his character and shows one weakness of him,since he practically is perfect. Zoro didnt save thousands in dressrosa for ypu to say he only naps or gets lost. You dont watch OP and thats not my problem🤷♀️sanji will never reach zoro's futire heights,luffys as well. Their dreams is to become the strongest. Sanji is a normal dude in front of these two beasts
“If you have the BAREST level of reading comprehension…” damn morj is tight” 😂
He was so pissed off at the Yamato supporters amd it showed. I would too
He is so true I always got this impression, regarding to the reading comprehension. It is not rocket science to easily comprehend! Lol
Dude it shocks me how bad people can be at analyzing a story. We the fans know that this idea of monster trio is huge to the story, yet people think that the 3rd person in the monster trio is going to be introduced at basically the end of OP. That leaves basically zero room for that 3rd fighter to develop in comparison to the trio that was introduced in the prologue of OP and has had literal decades of character development…
I love his "fanboy callout" videos. You can tell when the fandom had driven him to the brink, and he's doing his absolute best to communicate that they're being idiots without actually using the word "idiots".
The one piece community sometimes has some frustratingly bad takes when it comes to the story. It amazes me that some people think yamato will replace the monster trio. Even if yamato joins, luffy zoro and sanji have always been the monster trio. If someone stronger joins that's not going to change.
Robin's comment about the wings of the Pirate King are spot on. Sanji's dream of finding the All Blue is a dream of discovery while Zoro's dream of being the greatest swordsman is one of conflict. To be Pirate King Luffy needs both. When Sanji looks bad its almost always because his priority at that time isn't combat. He is always thinking about what is coming around the next corner. It is just an extension of the dynamic that comes into play when Zoro and Sanji argue about who caught the bigger dinosaur on Little Garden. The answer is that it doesn't matter. Luffy already ate both, Sanji is still cooking, and Zoro is taking a nap.
Is it a bad thing if I immediately thought “Chopper’s doctorin’” when I read that bit about Sanji cooking ? Lol
I can’t believe people doubt Sanji. He’s the 3rd strongest, he’s number 3 in name, in iconography, it’s written in plain sight and I find it so funny
San means 3... Coincidence? I think not.
Don't see him being as strong as Yamato
Well there are people still believe Yamato stronger Zoro
@@davidortiz3094 Stop the cap bro. It doesn’t even make sense for a story to introduce it’s 3rd strongest of its important characters at basically the tail end of the anime. That would mean less opportunity for growth. As much as people don’t want to admit, there are tiers in the straw hat crew. The five characters we met in East Blue (Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, and Sanji) get the most screen time by far and there is more emphasis on them generally
@@davidortiz3094 we haven’t even seen Yamato complete a battle yet wtf are you talking about buddy. It’s luffy zoro sanji it always has been lmao you must be slow
Everyone says zoro and sanji are the rivals, but the real rivals are luffy and sanji, both fighting to be paired with zoro
Nah it's Sanji Vs Luffy as in, an unstoppable chef Vs an unfillable stomach.
Nah its Luffy and Sanji that are rivals, because Sanji is sick of Luffy raiding the fridge on the Sunny every day
I love this lol
😂
@@scottiecurrie7927 the real question being, how many of them ends in failure?
The fact that Sanji usually gets his biggest moments during the huge arcs where everyone fights-- also informs his character. He is very kind, very caring and very willing to protect his weaker crewmates, so he always steps up when they need him most.
He told Jinbei to kill himself
@@troyyort954 I think it was like a seppuku thing of honor that Sanji told him to do in his anger towards a man who tormented a woman. At the time Jinbei wasn't apart of the crew and it was in the heat of the moment with Nami and stuff.
@@josua3 wait when was this?
@@sujal1548 fishman island
@@sujal1548 fishman island
Just remember that when Ohara interviewed a famous japanese youtuber about power-scaling, we found that Japan doesn't give two shits about the monster-trio power-scale.
Japanese understood it while the rest of the world bicker
Im most blame dbz having people in the west obsess over powerscaling in anime and manga
Thats what I like, I'm tired of all these people complaing whos better, I like both.
that doesn't mean we cant talk about it
I love the Japanese
For how much people love the monster trio, it seems like everyone constantly wants to break it down. Luffy/Zoro/Sanji has been a thing since the very beginning and that's never gonna change. Not only are they the strongest, but they're also the voice of reason Luffy needs.
To me, it seems like the exact opposite. It’s like people want to keep it the same no matter what. Why?
@@PrimexMaxusTitan makes sense, we have seen them fight alongside each other, for then a new guy coming and everyone disrespects and disregards sanji's strenght
@@PrimexMaxusTitan Because that’s what Oda wants and how it’s been planned from the beginning. Also I don’t think any new strawhat could compare to the bond Luffy has with Zoro and Sanji at this point.
@@nerea4327 Oh wow, I totally didn't know you could read Oda's mind. So amazing. Can you tell us what the one piece is since you know what Oda is thinking?
Also, everything Jinbei went through with Luffy doesn't compare to the bond Luffy has with Sanji and Zoro?
@@superwaffle9312 It's not he character's fault fans want to discard Sanji lol. I really don't understand, fans seem like they need the trio to stay a trio no matter what. They're so exclusive about it, if someone else does join then that has to come at the expense of Sanji? Why? That makes no sense
A Female Swordsman carrying Meat is on the premises!
A female ?
Swordsman?
Meat?
These guys are Hopeless!!!!
Sussy baka?
Every time someone questions the monster trio, the raid becomes 0.001% likelier to fail.
Wouldn’t Morj like that then?
@@Odinsday Professionals have their standards
@@Odinsday Yes, it's his black magic at work. Gotta get *something* positive out of cyclical One Piece conversation.
So the raid is 100% likely to failed
@@waleuska always had been
The description about Zoro being Luffy's sword and Sanji being the shield. Is quite good. Zoro beating up the 2nd most powerful guy and Sanji defending the less powerful crewmates. For example, Sanji always save one of the scared trio.
I think the 'Monster Trio' Is exactly as Morj described...it doesn't have to be a static power scale because none of the trio fill the same roles. If you watch how Sanji typically goes through an arc, he's used as a way for Oda to scale certain enemies. Rarely does Sanji ever go out looking for a fight, unlike Luffy or Zorro but when he does encounter an enemy, he's not looking to win the fight, instead he's either stalling or fulfilling an objective. I think there can be a parallel that can be drawn from this entire Wano arc in that Luffy being the 'Emperor (emperor of the sea)', Zorro and Sanji fill the rolls of 'Shoguns' as battlefield commanders of attacking (Zorro) and defense (Sanji).
Damn, makes a ton of sense to describe it this way. Luffy acts as the ultimate piece in the game, while Sanji and Zoro represent the defense and attack. None of them truly equal, but often overlapping
If anyone thinks jimbei is still stronger then sanji when oda is literally screaming at us that sanji is above in rank and he is fighting stronger opponents NO ONE WILL EVER REPLACE SANJI he is been the 3 strongest since he joined 2 decades it's been 1000+ chapters it's never changing
Yeah I know I watch Mr Morj
I kept saying this as well, even when Robin or Franky joined, ppl automatically assumed Sanji was replaced. Same thing happened again with Jinbei. Now, people expect Yamato to join the crew and if she does, ppl again will try to put her up there with Luffy and Zoro. No, Sanji will still remain as the number 3 in the crew and will always be number 3, it's in his name after all.
literally man's been fighting 2 commanders without the raidsuit and them mf's still think jinbei is stronger.
YES
Gaban was the top 3 strongest for decades, and then Oden joined...
If anyone still doesn't get it after this video, they're a lost cause. Great video Morj, Onigashima really did end being a brilliant avenue for exploring the Monster Trio dynamic.
He could've done it in a less rude way instead of being Mr. "I was right all along and all of you were wrong and stupid".
@@TheJoshua111 well guess what? He was right all along and whoever thought the monster trio would changed is wrong and stupid.
@@user-im5ri6yr4x Haha, savage!
@@user-im5ri6yr4x You missed my point, all I'm saying is we need to be professional and nice. People can say anything they want online, but that doesn't mean they should be criticized heavily even if they're wrong. Its not hard to explain things professionally in a proper and nice way no?
@@TheJoshua111 He did that in past videos and now it seems he's made this particular video to vent his frustrations lol
Also important to note that Sanji's role in the crew is quite different from Zoro's or Luffy's. Zoro is the main frontline muscle and Luffy is the closer, so they're basically always going to be doing some amount of fighting. Sanji, though, consistently plays much more of an ace-in-the-hole or independent operative kind of role. The first means that he is necessarily less active than the other two in earlier parts of the arc's conflict (so that he can have his big charge of the winged hussars moment later), and the second means that he's more likely than Zoro to get caught out on his own or otherwise isolated from the main conflict. As I think I've said before, Little Garden, the casino segment of Alabasta, Skypeia, and the whole Water 7 / seatrain sequence are all great examples of Sanji doing his thing in a very prototypical way, with all of the big moments he can get that way and the potential pitfalls for him as a crew asset. Arlong Park has a similar structure for him, but it's not as obvious both because it's an early arc and because Zoro isn't quite able to fill his own typical role.
Yamato also makes a Frontline muscle now
@@davidortiz3094 i hope she joins the straw hats
Well put!!
Yup. Zoro and Luffy are the brawlers and Sanji is the brains. To me this is why zoro is closer to luffy than sanji. Zoro is basically another Luffy busted ass combat ability but dumb as a pile bricks. While sanji has insane combat ability it's not to the same degree but he makes up with that with smarts and overall utility for the crew. Meaning to me in 1v1 Sanji just will never compare to zoro and luffy but in terms of the overall impact to the crew's victory sanji is just as valuable as either of them.
@@gilsercrow3590 I’m a major sanji fan so I get frustrated when everyone says that sanji isn’t in the monster trio like bro those guys are supernaturally strong. I know that zoro is above sanji so I don’t join those arguments when other sanjitard says sansanjiji is above zoro and I also hate when people down play my bwoy
I think that people really forget in this whole debate is that if oda consistently portrays luffy and zoro as being equal and sanji and zoro being equal then that means that there isn't that big of a gap between luffy and sanji because if there was then the dynamics wouldn't make much sense.
Don’t push it, boi (with Kratos voice).
You can’t compare Danji and Luffy. That’s blasphemy
Lol
@@Ax1oM11oo you’re correct but we’re talking about Sanji not Danji.
I guess people never learned from Franky and now Jimbei. Oda will always keep the Monster Trio dynamic the same even after 1000 chapters
Everywhere man everywhere 💀💀💀💀
Or even Robin. People forgot, but when Robin joined the crew there was a serious question as to whether she was stronger than Zoro or Sanji.
@@shyguypro9876 And at time her bounty was even higher than Zoro for entire 2 arc. And she got higher bounty than Sanji until Dressrosa. But it never changes the dynamic of Monster Trio!
@@shyguypro9876 Yeah. When
Robin first appeared , she literally unarmed the whole crew.
@@shyguypro9876 she was stronger then zoro and sanji though, oda had to show her attempting to take out a zombie with zoros shadow, to make it clear HOW it was possible the other members were stronger. Her fruit is broken
Sanji's the one that carries the crew when the captain's going wild, that's why he constantly gets all the damage. Almost all the times he got the "short end of the stick" it's because Sanji tried to protect someone last minute, hell, even the same almost happened in the "nothing happened" Zoro moment. Sanji's the brain/shield, Zoro's the muscle/sword and Luffy is the leader/captain.
Yeah dude I really wanna like Sanji but why does he has to be so lame
@@danielwilliams693 I don't think him carrying the crew makes him lame, quite the contrary honestly, his loyalty for the crew is quite admirable, you just have to see his sacrifice against Enel to save Usopp to see the point and his place as the Shield and Brain of the Mugiwaras, he takes the attack but not before destroying Enel's ship. It just makes the badass moments feel more satisfying to me since I know my boy is a monster
@@danielwilliams693 It's the girl thing. If he wasn't such a doormat for women he'd be way cooler. I hope there's an episode or chapter where they end up on some island that somehow makes Sanji normal enough to be able to fight against women. I wanna see it at least once. I feel like every time he does something cool he does 3 more lame girl related things. Maybe some strong female chef could teach him something that requires him to beat her in a fight. It could be a cool short filler arc.
@@BigroomBlitz1 he doesn’t carry the crew lmao
@@drowsygem6703 it depends on how you define carry, you seem to be the type of guy who thinks carrying a crew it's just a matter of power which goes literally against one of the central themes of One Piece
My "In-Universe" explanation is that Zoro is always playing catch-up with Luffy, and Sanji with Zoro.
So when Zoro seems like Luffy's equal, he is pretty much, and when Sanji seems like Zoro's equal, he is pretty much, but neither always is as they are both simply trying to keep up with their captain's mad pace through the world and through getting stronger.
Thus, when Luffy is about to make a "big break foward", Zoro can generally catch up, and thereafter needs to catch up again, and Sanji is often hot on Zoro's tail, so when said "big break" happened recently, they both at the very least *seem* equal due to Luffy's greater power.
I personally think it's the opposite
I think essentially what is happening is that Luffy is on an unstoppable swell forward, and Zoro and Sanji keep the pace for the most part. They're both perfectly content with Luffy being the strongest on the crew, and it's only in times when the crew is in danger and they're forced into acting that it starts to look like they're catching up.
Neither Zoro nor Sanji's goals require that they be the strongest people on the planet. Zoro only needs to be able to beat Mihawk, and Sanji only needs to be strong enough to discover the All Blue. Outside of that, they need to be strong enough to assist Luffy along his path.
Ultimately it is Luffy's direct responsibility - as the man who wants to be the freest person in the world, and as the captain - to be practically undefeatable, so that he can maintain that freedom for himself and his friends.
Zoro and Sanji understand that, and willingly fall in line with Luffy's goals and his position as the strongest.
@@PrometheusXV I think you partially missed what I meant, but I might just not have been clear.
It is not in any way to compete with Luffy that Zoro and Sanji might feel the need to keep up with him, but to be able to help him reach his goals, to stay useful to him as "his wings", as Robin would put it.
I do think that part of how Sanji is keeping up however, considering he isn't really as battle-driven as Luffy or Zoro, is due to his rivalry with Zoro, thus the Luffy > Zoro > Sanji relationship with each trying to catch up to the previous one.
Also, when it comes to their power-goals, I think it would be fair to say Zoro's requires to be at a strength similar or higher than that of the current Yonkos, and that Sanji's drive not to get outpaced by Zoro will at least drive him that far too.
Luffy is the Yonkou level
Zorro and sanji are both generals
I think what people miss with Sanji post-timeskip is that Law stole most of his spotlight. Sanji is the Straw Hat's scheming fighter. Law swallowed up all his shine in both strategy and fighting. Sanji struggled vs Vergo? Law one-shot him. Zoro took out Pica, Law took out Trebol (usually would be Sanji). Law did the entire Dressrosa plan and Sanji was sidelined. Etc. I think Oda struggled giving both characters their shine during the Dressrosa saga. That's what caused Sanji's portrayal to struggle for so long.
That's an interesting point of view.
And kinda funny too, because I always thought Law and Zoro's roles were more similar to each other (at least in how they interact with Luffy).
Sanji has been slightly miswritten because he wasn’t there in Dressrosa for half the time, therefore missed out on all the opportunities which Law took. Then in Whole Cake he did nothing but bake a cake, which is poor because I at least expected a tough fight for his freedom but oh well it’s still Sanji>Zoro for me 🤟🏽.
So at that time, Law was 2nd in popularity poll even suppressed Zoro. Oda sensei bring shine to Law because of the story need. However, I have no doubt Monster Trio still his favorite dynamic!
@@luffysanji9840because who don’t love CORA SAN !!!??!?!
@@luffysanji9840 yeah, it was needed for the story-wise. But guess what? You're right. Zoro and Sanji are the wings of the pirate king. Period.
morj settled this out of being completely annoyed lol
I mean you can’t blame him , at this point if you think the monster trio isn’t a thing , or ever gonna change , your just ignorant and havnt actually read the story.
@@gurp0533 the real problem is zoro and sanji fans fighting
@@mohamedabdallah2565 that is inevitable problem because Oda makes both of them as rival.
Excellent unbiased analysis Morj. It doesn’t matter who favors whom anymore, Oda has established the trio with the various examples you have showcased .
Very biased toward sanji.
@@slayerofcrusadersandsmallh6404 huh??
@@slayerofcrusadersandsmallh6404 maybe you're just biased towards zoro?
Almost, he doesn't mention the fact that Luffy and Sanji are never compared to each other and that Jinbei is a monster, he's not like Franky 2.0, Jinbei is way more powerful, he's an ex shichibukai and mid diffed the strongest Tobiroppo WhosWho. There's a good chance that Jinbei will have another fight and fight Jack. If he takes on the strongest Tobiroppo and Jack right after, he still stronger than Sanji.
Friendship wise and story line - luffy , zoro and sanji
Power scaling - luffy , zoro, jimbei and sanji
Is Zoro closer to Luffy or closer to Sanji?
Morj: Yes.
Luffy >= Zoro >= Sanji
Figured it out.
@@SharkHuh exactly, adjust values as needed for story but always maintain that fundamental relationship.
This reply section is smart and sensible.
Luffy is 1, Zoro is 2, and Sanji is 3
Luffy > =someone lost >=Sanji
The fact that we JUST came from WCI and people even question the monster trio dynamic is insane to me
Yeah crazy right lol after Luffy Sanji gets the most story focus
But he did nothing in WCI, he only baked a cake now come on. Definitely a missed opportunity by Oda-in dressrosa and in WCI
@@finishng.2719 he used observation haki to dodge katakuri, fought with oven a little bit, clashed with big mom along with luffy and Luffy told him he needs him to become the pirate king.. he’s had a few feats. You just miss them because they aren’t the typical power up feats. He also got the raid suit in WCI.
@@ronnyfwea bro come on 😂😂😂😂😂Sanji my fav character as you can see by my dp and WCI is in my top 3 arcs my bro. Can’t try come at me with this stuff. I will admit he did nothing despite he’s my fav-if you wanna go into every minor thing he did in the episode well of course he did SOMETHING he was in the arc duh... no one went crazy when he kicked oven and neither was it a huge feat. He saved his family when they was all stuck from Peros’ candy and I can go on and state more like how you are but he essentially did nothing in terms of establishing his name in the monster trio-for a prime example, baking a cake and not having a good 1on1 fighting for his freedom, which I was very dissatisfied by but is what it is Sanjis still my goat. Open your mind abit and face facts, Sanji didn’t get a good moment in WCI which will probably be the only arc in OP that will be as dedicated as this was and I feel like it could’ve been better in terms of giving him those actual huge feats and moments to actually solidify his place in the monster trio, my guess is people come from with the monster trio argument is because these minor feats you talk of don’t really have a place, dodging etc. Not very big stuff. If he was to completely defeat oven-that would’ve been huge. Zoro has been beasting thru his opponents ever since time skip and it’s just like well Sanji hasn’t taken an L but hasn’t been beasting like he has. I get Oda hasn’t made his character to be that sort of person but yet again this why this discussion exists, but when the raid suit gets thrown into the mix i feel like it does give Sanji a fighting chance up against Zoro who has Enma for god sakes, guess you can’t slash what you can’t see😏.
@@ronnyfwea you know how silly it sounds when you say he used observation to dodge katakuri, bruh wtf😭😭😭😭😭😭Luffy dodge punches like no mans business and tryna gas up a dodge he did... wow so cool 😒. I never even said anything about the raid suit-which I’m overly happy about because at least he came back from that arc with at least something to show for it. He’ll be sick when he’s at light speeds with invisible battering people. Anime watcher btw so judging off Page one v Sanji where he used the raid suit that shit was sick and completely overwhelmed page one who took a fat L. W in my books. 🙌🏼
I always had a special place in my heart for Sanji, because growing up with One Piece I was an aspiring chef (now I am one 🙃.)
It just always felt super cool to me that even though it obviously wasn’t his entire personality to be a fighter, he could still hold his own and at sometimes even rival the 2 main fighters in the crew.
Long live Sanji! 🧑🍳🧑🍳🧑🍳
Hey congrats man ! Your dream came true !
Congrats on actually becoming a chef lol
Congrats!! 🎉
I hated sanji when i was a kid and a big zoro fanboy i was mad coz why is this guy get to be strong as zoro but then now sanji is my 2nd fave character next to luffy.
I like the point you made about Sanji being laid back and more of a "human" character than the other two in the trio. It makes it that much cooler that Sanji is part of the trio. It's not really his goals, but his principles that makes him the strong fighter he is. Sanji is almost always exclusively fighting to protect someone or something, not necessarily push himself beyond his limits like Zoro and Luffy. And yet, he's still a Monster.
Yeah, that's a really good way to put it. Zoro's goal is to be strong, and in order to achieve that he needs certain principles to follow. Sanji, however, has the goal to live life under his principles, and in order to achieve that, he needs to be strong.
Sanji is the covert specialist of the crew. Always comes in clutch when the situation seems dire.
The crazy thing about the monster trio debate is that it never was a debate, the monster trio is as set in stone as Bungee gum having the properties of both rubber and gum, ppl just make up their own ideas in their heads and want to argue about something
Any day with a Morj analysis video is a good day indeed.
Sure is
Your day is still gonna end in failure /s
The reason Oda has waited until Wano before Jimbei joined the crew properly is because Wano is the first time in the story Jimbei can join without disrupting the established monster trio, which has had a faster power growth rate than Jimbei.
Actually now Jinbe is almost too far behind lol. Zoro with his advanced techniques, sword and Coc then Sanji with his invisible speed, exoskeleton that can tank hits from Yonko commanders without taking damage, and new leg style are so far ahead of Jinbe its kinda crazy lol. Jinbe being around Tobi Roppo level wheras Zoro beat King high diff and Sanji beat Queen low diff, Queen couldn't even perceive of Sanji nor damage him lmfao. The monster trio will never change now because they are so far ahead it's ridiculous
Something I think people don't realize is that Sanji isn't a meat head who's trying to be 'the king' of his contemporaries or the best in his craft (he's already a world class chef, lol). Sanji is more of a 'normal guy' who just so happens to be the third strongest of the crew, so him getting his ass beat regularly doesn't somehow invalidate that, lol I mean c'mon
But it does though, it creates massive inconsistencys power-scaling wise, because then you have major inconsistencies, for example in one piece time it was about 1 month since sanji was “struggling” vs vergo, who is much much much weaker the doflamingo, but now we see him taking queen, and he doesnt seem to be having too much of hard time, and queen could be argued to be atronger then doffy, im not even gonna get into the fact that sanji was holding both queen and king together, even it wasnt for much the simple fact that both of them together still wasnt enough tire him out, when a suppressed doflamingo was literaly seconds away from killing sanji makes no sense, and i can even go one step further, sanji in raid suit could not deal any significant damage to page one, but yet here he about 1 week later, forcing queen to use hybrid form, so yes it invalidates sanji progress it just making it seem like sanji was either A) holding back for the entire post-timeskip, or b) he somehow got stupid strong with literally no training.
He doesn't even get his ass beat regularly, he literally took only 2 Ls post ts. He just didn't get many fights
@@deadshot6554 yeah i agree with you but its about the amount of fights, its about the lack of progress shown as to how sanji went from semi-comparable to vergo, who was much much weaker then doffy, to being arguably stronger then him in about a month and a half maybe two months, with no training or anything at least if we saw his progress it would make sense, or if he breezed trhough post-timeskip like zoro did we could understand, because it makes no sense. Even if you dont count the fight he actually lost, all of his other fight POST-timeskip he didnt look like he was gonna win, the only, one you could argue he would have won is probably page one. So the point isnt about him not getting enough fights but that oda should have shown how he got from weaker then vergo to potentially stronger then queen, with no training, no raid suit, no haki bloom, and no pushing himself past his limit.
@@jcedc8668 but he was never wreaker than vergo, he was way stronger, he speed blitzed him. Overpowered him with his kicks, the only thing vergo did was Crack his leg, big mom, apoo knocked out luffy, does that mean apoo is stronger than luffy?
@@deadshot6554 even if you assume sanji is stronger then vergo, it was pretty evident that he struggled, which goes back to my poinr rhat sanji power creep makes no sense, and sanji is the only character that was written in thag sense, where his power is on par with vergo at best to on par if not better then queen in just a few weeks, with no training at all, like come on
Zoro and Sanji's eyes have been telling us where they stand since the time skip.
@@zuetella1282 lol
I know that, somehow, even when we get a Sanji vs Kizaru some are still going to be "yeah but, is Sanji really that strong?"
"But he LOST to Vergo so Vergo > Kizaru"
As long as it's not a bs power creep. Oh look sanji got his ass kicked by vergo but with the raid suit he can defeat commanders. I think it needs to make sense,I have a feeling next ch will help with that. 😉
@@gaeron1305 Sanji never got his ass kicked by Vergo. That's a completely made up.
Also he is not yet using RS to fight Queen.
@@blyzer7373 Vergo fractured sanjis leg,that's like someone chipping zoros swords. Also while sanji hasn't used the rs he also hasn't don't any real damage to queen or king besides keeping them mostly occupied. I don't doubt the rs makes him stronger. I'm looking forward to see sanji test the limits against a strong opponent.
getting damage=/=losing. i guess zoro is a loser because how much he get damage lmao
Zoro and Sanji were literally just referred to as the wings of the Pirate King.
I don't know how anyone could see that and doubt whether Oda still sees them as the core trio of the crew.
Luffy, Zoro, Yamato & then Sanji & Jinbe
@@davidortiz3094 nah
@@Richardprior839 why not?
@@PrimexMaxusTitan cope harder
@@davidortiz3094 😂
"Literally, she won't so just shut up about it." Morj is hilarious lmao.
The main problem for Sanji was the matchups after time skip. Oda put him against Vergo(who fought Smoker and Law at the same time) and Doffy like wtf (and even so Sanji stood his ground prettty well)
Lul Sanji is underrated
@@resurrectedpa After what he did in Wano, I'm sure he is underrated af. My boy destroyed a second Yonko commander EASILY
Vergo would've been a perfect match for Sanji or Zoro. Sanji did better against Vergo than Law (originally) and Smoker did.
@@muundus7, it wasn't easily if he fainted afterwards. Also, Queen was hitting himself with his own lasers (which freed Sanji) and refused to use all of his techniques until Sanji brought out the raid suit, which gave Sanji more time and free hits. And if that wasn't bad enough, Queen then turned his back on Sanji to mess with some random woman and that gave Sanji his final opening.
Current Sanji would still win against a competent Queen but it wouldn't be easily if Queen doesn't mess around.
I mean the content of this video is pretty obvious. Most readers unfortunately get it wrong because even after 1000+ chapters, they don't understand the themes that Oda has been going for for the past 20 yrs. I still find hilarious how people thought Marco would be the final opponent of King cuz birds, first yonko commanders, etc. Too many low iq OP fans.
Man if Marco fought king, it wouldn't have felt even close to as powerful as this beautifully drawn panel were zoro and sanji attack king and queen,some were even complaining that marco didn't fight king, it's the same as complaining that a theory you made didn't come to fruition
Marco defeating King would be as if game NPC defeated miniboss in the cutscene. It's cool.... For three seconds. It's not Marco's story.
I always assumed that Marco would just help in some way, but not be involbed in any major fight
Sanji jobbing to strong opponents is actually really in line with his character. He's kinda like Genos in OPM. He'll put himself out there to protect anyone no matter how much stronger they are than him. But at the same time, he's still incredibly strong in his own right.
Sanji has always been one of my favorite SH’s. Cool thing about Sanji is that he always does something unexpected. He’s a bit of a underdog but it makes it that much more exciting when he comes in clutch. WCI was a really good arc for him.
The whole structure of the story is built almost singularly around the monster trio and some people somehow don't see it.
You could even say that they are the three main characters
Coming back to Doriki system, I love how Sanji's opponent was just barely weaker than Zoro's. That way Oda managed to not only keep rivalry going, established that they're both pretty similar in power and made sure that the one from Monster Trio that usually get's Ls is fighting weaker opponent.
That way Oda Can use strong character to depict formitable opponents without jeopardising one character that mostly works off of spectacle.
Because to be honest you can summarize whole One Piece in Monster trio: Zoro being the amazing spectacle, Sanji being the depth of the characters and Luffy.... Being Luffy. The wackyness, the dreamyness and the heart.
All of them have those qualities (I'm not implying that Luffy or Zoro lack depth), but each of those is mostly focusing on one of those more than other two. Zoro is amazing character, but he's pretty limited, as he's the only strawhat that cannot outright loose a fight, so he's mostly used to be powerful badass. Luffy is the main character, and although he is shaping whole story with his will alone, he too have to defeat his opponent eventually. Luffy also can't just give up. He's depicted as someone with indominable will, after all. Out of the three only Sanji gives Oda so much room to put him in different situations. Only he can run away to protect his crew if he thinks there is no other way, only he can lose and stay down, only he can look for creative solution that doesn't involve persuading enemy to commit unliving.
Of course that has it's drawbacks, since Sanji is the only character that can have long lasting failures, after couple of arcs(Especially if each lasts over a year) it can make fans of the character rather dissapointed. Especially since Oda is much more creative in New World than in Paradise. I just hope that he will eventually give Sanji his moment that is just as creative as his setbacks.
I agree. That's why I think Sanji is the greatest character Oda has created, besides Luffy.
It’s really hitting most of us now just how close we are to the end. I really feel like we’re watching the crew of a yonko start to fill those footsteps
Zoro is meant to be offense and aggression. Sanji is meant to be defense and kindness. Luffy is meant to be all of that. It means during a fight, Zoro's goal is to defeat his opponent, where as Sanji's goal is to make sure everyone is safe, and that means Sanji is going to lose some fights. Back when Luffy fought Mikawk, he said the most dangerous thing about Luffy was his ability to win people over. That's pretty much all Sanji ever does.
Zoro gets lost ....he doesn't know where to stay
Perfectly put😂
The biggest issue here is just that people aren't used to reading weekly so when they see Sanji not.doing much for years they just assume he's lesser when he's really not
Exactly the OP fandom is incredibly reactionary
No its because of clear plot holes with him. It showed him like 2 months ago having to high diff vergo, then as he should, getting smacked by dofflamingo easily. But now....for no discernable reason hes fighting queen.....and narrative wise he'll probably win. Zoro at least never struggled, always deferred to luffy, and then we find out his ashura is CC, there's no reason to think he was up there with the other 2. Wanna complain blame oda, he should've mentioned sanji grinding after seeing how strong just the right hand of a warlord was
@@bobbob-zc1nx I personally believe that the Strawhats get stronger after a large fight as opposed to doing individual training like is displayed in other anime. In Enies Lobby, Sanji could barely damage Blueno and does not train at all and is then able to pretty easily overpower Jyabura with Diable Jamble for example. I Zoro did most of the fighting in Dressrosa while Sanji didn't fight until Doffy and then he left to Zou. On the other hand, Sanji did a lot of fighting in WCI while Zoro was undercover in Wano thus bringing them back to a similar playing field where they were both fighting throughout most of Wano when the other SH's get there. I don't think it is incorrect to say Zoro was stronger throughout Dresserossa-most of Wano because he was most active during that time and only recently Sanji came back to that level though his fights.
@@bobbob-zc1nx Its sumn that's been going on since the beginning of the series so not sure why you complaining now. And you also dont heed the context of those fights. Sanji prior to fighting vergo, nami was in his body and was taking hella damage. So the sanji that fought vergo wasnt at 100%. And we've already seen fights where sanji breaks his bones and still wins. Like in his fight with mr. 2. And after fighting Vergo, Sanji kept walking and running normally like nothing happened the rest of the arc.
As for his fight with doffy he had no knowledge of how doffy df functioned. And doffy himself acknowledged he was strong. We already saw the same happen to luffy when he fought doffy. Regardless like the video addressed sanji is used to elevate other characters/enemies strength such as vergo,doffy,etc, even at the cost of his protrayal which may make him appear weak in some instances but regardless he will always be #3.
@@bobbob-zc1nx please read and interpret with some nuance... all this terminology "high diff", "getting smacked" is just to confabulate a false narrative while it is clear we are ignoring the circumstances of the encounter and prematurely drawing a battle conclusion just from few panels of exchanging blows.
I remember back in the Dressrosa days a lot of people seriously claimed that Franky had replaced Sanji in the monster trio. LMAO.
I like to think that Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji are all relative to one another.
eh
Nah its luffy > zoro > sanji
@@ryou7346 Relative doesn't mean exactly equal. It just means that they're close in power. I agree with your order but I I think the gaps between them are very small.
@@yugfus 🤣 what? I wouldn't say there oceans apart but my guy luffy is far above Sanji especially since he will beat kaido and above zoro because at best zoro will take out a yonko commander and so will Sanji but it will be a drag out brawl for those two aswell as for luffy.
@@KonohazFinest Most likely Zoro vs King and Sanji vs Queen won't be as dragged out as you think. Most of the time Zoro has a slightly harder time with his opponent than Sanji but still has an easier time than Luffy. Then Sanji has a mid diff with his opponent. Morj brought it up in a previous video. A great example of this dynamic is Zoro and Sanji vs Kaku and Jabra when you compare it to Luffy vs Lucci. Lucci was twice as strong as Jabra and Kaku but Sanji and Zoro had way easier wins than Luffy. Zoro and Sanji struggled at first then broke out their new moves and won immediately. They were still able to run around easily. Sanji still went on to open the Gates of Justice. They still fought marines. Luffy finished Lucci and couldn't move afterward. We know Lucci was much stronger than the opponents Zoro and Sanji faced but have no idea how much stronger Lucci was than Zoro and Sanji. Another great example of the ambiguity of the gap between Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji is Wano. Zoro performed very well on the rooftop when he was fighting the Yonko alongside the other supernova. Everyone thought that Zoro was undoubtedly above first commanders but now his opponent is a first commander. Everyone thought Sanji was weak because of Whole Cake and because even though he didn't lose any fights while he was on Wano mainland, he didn't finish them either. Sanji was dominating Page One but since he didn't finish him, people thought he would fight a tobbi roppo member in the raid on Onigashima. Now Sanji has clashed with King, been shown to be winning in any exchange he's had with Queen, and held off King and Queen for a period of time. He's also being set up to get a power up. Zoro is also being set up to get a power up. By the end of the Wano arc we'll have no idea how close they are to Luffy. It's also important to remember that while Luffy will be the main force to take out Kaido, he's had a ton of help and he may not be exactly equal to Kaido either. The gap between Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji seem to vary from small to large. Right now I'd say the gaps are small.
Mr. Morj's patience ended in failure.
Underated comment.
lame joke🍅
Morj is so pissed about how dumb the fandom is lol
Says the guy who really believes the raid will fail
@@lxfj2128 he hasn't been proven wrong yet, so keep those words until it's proven
@@richhornie7000 say that again now haha
Me too
Morj deserves a noble piece prize at this point having settled the Shanks vs Mihawk war too
Lol, "piece", I see what you did there
The thing is after a while we will not remember those few small losses for Sanji but the emotional moments and him defeating the actual "Strong" guys from a major arc.
I disagree. The only moments I really remember of sanji are his losses. They pile up so much higher than his actual accomplishments
@@freddiethompson2253 Dude lost 1 legit fight post timeskip yet you act like it's a norm, lmao.
@@freddiethompson2253 you’re just a Sanji hater we don’t care 🤷
@@blyzer7373 he may have only lost one legit fight, but came up on the losing end consistently post time skip. He almost broke his leg against Vergo and wasn't even comparable to doffy. It took him getting the raid suit to even be in contention with the top teirs in the verse. Without the raid suit he couldn't defeat a commander. But if you replaced Zoro's blades with weaker ones, he would still be a better choice than raid suitless sanji
@@blyzer7373 we have people like killer stomping Hawkins (before the cheap tricks). I doubt raid suitless sanji would be able to handle that.
Huh. Just like the bounty discussion, if you think about it.
This trio dynamic is only partially about power levels and overall strength. It's mostly because they are a storytelling trio. They are characters serving the themes of a story before they are fighters with any objective measure of their strength. Strong new crew members do not change this storytelling dynamic because it is the dynamic which determines power level, not the opposite way around. Just as bounties follow from storytelling and not some useless in-universe measuring stick, this power level dynamic exists as a character thing and power levels scale up as needed to follow the storytelling demands.
Spicy take: People don't understand this because they aren't used to a mangaka knowing what he's doing from day one like Oda has known. (Maybe an exception for Attack on Titan, which gets its own share of hate on first reads.)
@@benabaxter Can I ask what things are hated in Attack on Titan? Please no spoiler for the end, I watched only part 1 of the final season, so until Eren is with Gabi on the roof and is attacked by Rainer.
Luffy got hands, sanji got kicks, zoro got swords what more of a monster trio you want?
Yamato got smashes lol (just adding on)
Luffy Is All Rounder.
Punches Kicks Even Swords😂⚔️
This is why I don’t spend too much time commenting/posting or on r/OnePiece anymore 😂 Just headcanon and bickering. You’re doing God’s work Morj
Facts.
Yeah some extreme fans in fandom got really vocal and they think their annoying opinion represents the truth or majority. But most of the readers might not want to argue or bickering just want to enjoy what the character or story or emotion it delivers! The popularity vote says something other than the extremists are saying! So, agree with you, Morj is doing God’s work!
It really isn't complicated. *The East Blue 5* are the heart of the crew. He needs someone who shares his love of combat (Zoro), someone with his sense of humor/a friend to laugh with (Usopp), he needs someone who can navigate him to his dream (Nami) and he needs someone who shares his love for food (Sanji). And within those 5, there is the monster trio, seeing as Zoro shares his affinity for combat, that would explain why Zoro is constantly shown as comparable to Luffy. Sanji and Zoro are a different story, their rivalry stems from having fundamentally different beliefs ( I can go in detail if you want) but they are still friends.
I Don’t think their rivalry has anything to do with beliefs that’s just headcanon when did they EVER fight or argue because of different beliefs ? they just argue and fight for gags and that’s it y’all just take it too seriously and I’m sure both of them respect each other’s beliefs
And zoro himself was never shown to be brutal against women he only really slice up men and make them bleed but never does the same to women so their rivalry coming from different beliefs is just bullshit headcanon an asspull from fans that has no evidence from the story to support it whatsoever and I’m sick of reading it everytime where whoever said it thinks they’re so smart when it’s the opposite
@@MohamadthemanThey agree on some things while disagree on some
@@royalfun1031 my point still stands
@@Mohamadtheman yeah it was never big abt beliefs
I had this argument with someone about Yamato and I just can't believe some people actually think Oda will bump Sanji down out of the monster trio.... like are we reading the same story??
Everyone is reading the same story. Oda loves sanji, but a lot of the Fandom doesn't like how oda uses him. But this is what oda wants. He knows Luffy and Zoro will be favorites because they are power oriented. If this was a show like toriko that is all about food, then sanji would be more liked. This is a Shonen and bad ass characters will always be more liked. That's why every time a new candidate pops up, everyone hopes that sanji gets replaced. But Oda likes Sanji so he will always be in the monster trio
The majority of people saying Sanji will get replaced just don’t like his character
@@freddiethompson2253 Sanji's number 3 in Japan and 4th world wide I doubt it because a majority dislikes Sanji, it's more like a minority that is extremely vocal. I mean it's a shonen, the assumption is that a bunch of fight hungry teen are the only ones that watch One Piece but there are a lot of other older viewers or just some with different perspectives that overall still place Sanji as the 4th most popular character in One Piece world wide.
@@visionaryvjae5641 sanji is still below the other 2 in the monster trio. Of course sanji will get more votes than the other characters. He is a member of the straw hats, who is currently the #3 on the crew. Him being highly rated is expected. Again I'm not saying he isn't powerful because he is. But everyone saying that others should be in the monster trio instead is valid. It's rare to hear things like, Zoro is going to be replaced in the monster trio. And that's because sanji is by far the weakest link
@@visionaryvjae5641 my brother's refused to watch one piece after whole cake island. And that's saying something
Morj setting himself up for sanji-antagonistic comments on all future videos
I always imagine it like a graph, and the players Luffy, Zoro and Sanji have variance to their "power". If Luffy is a 100 at average, his tops is 120 and 80 his minimum. Zoro's average is like 85, his top is 100 and his minimum 60 and lastly Sanji, his average is like 70, his top is 85 and his minimum 55. Don't take the numbers seriously, I just wanted to point out that Zoro and Sanji can be equals while Zoro and Luffy can also be equals, depending on the context. If Oda wants to portray it one way, there is a way todo it and if he wants to do it the other way round, also fine,since there are no set in stone power levels like people love to assume. I think it is very clearly pointed out that if you compare the best potential those 3 have, you get a clear hierarchy with Luffy>Zoro>Sanji, however that doesnt mean that one of the lower characters cannot outshine or equal the ones above in certain fights, moments, scenes etc.
THANK YOU YOU GET IT
As far as new crew mates being perceived as stronger than Sanji goes it actually goes back even further than Franky. As someone who was reading the Manga as far back as Alabasta people thought the same thing about Robin. It really is ridiculous that people still think someone will ever supplant him, ITS NOT HAPPENING PEOPLE.
Damn Oda... Look what you've done delaying the failure of the raid. The man is pissed! 😂
this trio is basically principal, vice principal and headmaster
Sanji will always always be in the monster trio
Sanji fights King and Queen 2v1 for a while and literally is called a wing of the pirate king
Zoro fans: wOw i cAn'T bElieVe vErGo bRoKe hIS LeG sO wEaK
I think it's important to know that among the East Blue 5 there are multiple trios and character dynamics:
Luffy-Zoro-Nami: The main trio, the characters that tend to get the most focus overall and the initial 3 crew mates.
Luffy-Zoro-Usopp: A dynamic where they act dumb or silly and annoy Sanji or Nami.
Luffy-Zoro-Sanji: The Monster Trio.
Luffy-Nami-Usopp: Usually made for jokes about Luffy being reckless and Nami and Usopp being scared.
Luffy-Nami-Sanji: Again usually used for jokes where Luffy is being silly or dumb and Sanji and Nami get annoyed at him.
Luffy-Usopp-Sanji: Way more earlier on, but they were the pervert trio in places like Alabasta.
The biggest addition has been mostly Chopper to add someone to cower along with Nami and Usopp.
the main trio is the monster trio they get more screentime than anyone else on the show and nami wasnt official until after arlong park
We all know which people pushed for the idea of Monster Trio not being a thing or that Jinbei is replacing him and once again those people show why they are the worst part of the fandome.
Are you talking about Zoro stans?
i mean, when it was first announced jinbe was joining it was confusing to see if he was going to be stronger or weaker than sanji because of all of jinbe’s feats. But now we can see that oda isn’t changing the Og trio.
@@twotwon4201 When Jinbei was joining his feats were greater than both Sanji's and Zoro's yet it was only Sanji's position in the M3 that was question.
I wonder why /s
@@blyzer7373 literally bro
Oh we know lol. I’m just glad Sanji is getting some combat shine lately.
The thing about Yamato that so many people aren’t considering is that the Monster Trio isn’t just a power level. It’s a dynamic. It’s not a matter of strength but also a matter of character. Even if Jinbe and Yamato are powerful enough that they *could* supplant or rival Monster Trio members, that doesn’t fundamentally change that the Monster Trio will always be Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji.
This is especially relevant considering what came out today with the chapter 1023 leaks
Morj: "I alone have the definitive answer so no one else bring it up again...there is NO definitive answer. That's it!"
Yeah there is Morj is high. Saying there isn’t an answer is like saying Yonko aren’t significantly more powerful than their crew. The gap between all 3 of them was small early on but it slowly widened as the series progressed. Just look at their bounties. First Luffy wasn’t even double Zoro then he was more than double, now he’s more than 3x as high. Lucci was almost twice as strong as Kaku/Jabra which is how I’ve been treating Luffy which has been accurate portrayal. Zoro and Sanji have been fighting irrelevant people while Luffy has had to take down people like Doflamingo, Cracker, Katakuri. Zoro looked ok against Fuji since Fuji doesn’t have a cheap ability like Doflamingo but it was obvious he’d get destroyed if the fight continued with Fuji being serious. Doflamingo broke out of Aokiji’s ice casually and wasn’t afraid of him or Fuji yet shits his pants when he hears Kaido’s name. Fuji couldn’t come close to one shotting base Luffy vs Kaido one shotting Gear 4. Yonko>>>Fleet Admiral>Commander=Admiral. Zoro has also said he expects Luffy to be significantly stronger than him or he won’t be satisfied. After this arc ends Luffy will be strong enough to solo his crew just like the Yonko can do to their crew. Even Roger vs Rayleigh shows this because Roger ran through Oden easily who was the same level as Rayleigh/Scopper. The only reason Zoro gets paired with Luffy is bc he’s his right hand. There’s never any portrayal that they’re equal in strength since Enies Lobby
Sanji has "3" in his name. His raid suit has the number 3 plastered on his fucking back for all to see. What discussion is there to be had?
i guess people's IQ is 3 also
@@zeddii7126 more like -3
Morj sounds genuinely angry and I think it is the first time I have seen him like this. Lol
Seeing OP fans argue about the monster trio and crew dynamics has made me realize that most people don’t know how literature and story telling works. We should all know by now that Sanji is “measuring stick” in seeing how lethal antagonists are to our other protagonist…
Zoro is also sometimes used as a measuring stick on the Big Bad, on how even Zoro is unclassed by the enemy and only Luffy is able to take him down (Arlong, Enel, Lucci, and now the yonkous)
@@davidv1341 if you notice when Zoro “loses” in place for luffy to save the day Oda always makes a reason.
IE: Arlong was scared to death of him if he was fully healthy, luffy is rubber for Enel, literally made to be beat by luffy. With Lucci he already fought but was injured (I do think Lucci would’ve won high diff though, but who knows). With the Yonkos even luffy can’t do it by himself, Zoro was just as impressive especially before luffy awakened
This debate ended in Alabasta, 0 luffy, 1 Zorro, 2 sanji.
And reinforced on enis lobby.
Edit: lets not forget who has emperor haki and who doesnt.
What do you mean oda doesn’t make luffy and sanji comparable?
Does he really have to spell it out that Sanji is the one that holds luffy back when he tries to break the fridge and steal the food?
The fact that this argument is such a heated thing in the One Piece fandom (to which I'm very new) is so interesting to me, bc I've never been in a fandom (or maybe certain subsections of a fandom) that placed so much importance on who was the strongest before! Maybe it's bc I tend to favor characters who unambiguously AREN'T the strongest in their story, but strength has never been a factor for me when deciding which characters I like best. Sanji is my favorite of these 3 and it doesn't really matter to me how he stacks up against Zoro bc what I love about him is his skill as a cook and his kindness! I think it's entirely accurate to say Sanji doesn't always get to show off in fights bc that's not his primary role in the crew and being a strong fighter isn't directly related to his ultimate goal. For Zoro, being the strongest is the whole point (world's strongest swordsman), for Sanji being strong is a means to an end (can't find the All Blue if you're not strong enough to survive the journey!)
Sanji is super simpy and not my favorite op character but he does hold it down everytime hes needed.
Respect the cook!!
Sanji is a strategists his the brains of the monster trio disputed his womanizing antics 🙄
I totally agree with the video, the dynamic changes swiftly from being both sanji and zoro standing side by side and helping out luffy, and luffy and zoro standing out compared to sanji and the rest of the strawhats. I think there is a reason to it, and that is Sanji is first and foremost a chef before anything else, so his mentality and his motto is really different than the other two, like "i'm gonna do whatever it takes to defend you, and when the time comes i will put my life on the line to defend you guys". Luffy and Zoro, besides that, they want to prove that they are respectively the strongest pirate and strongest swordsman. Therefore, the two are more battle oriented than Sanji. But, when it comes to defending the honour and lives of Luffy and the rest of the crew, Sanji and Zoro are the ones stepping up to the plate.
LMAOOO he said "just shut up about Yamato" XD
i think this more proof of how fast and loose and overall ambiguously Oda likes to handle powerscaling in One Piece. Still wild to me that so many take it so seriously, shit's fun but my god people love to focus almost solely on that aspect because it's a battle shonen without understanding the priorities of the story, ignoring the very obvious cues Oda has given time and time again regarding how he goes about it.
Since Wano is the most recent arc our perceptions are a little bit bias toward Zoro, but we need to remember that almost all of the Whole Cake arc was about Sanji.
Both Sanji and Zoro got their chance to shine in their element. They were both depicted as being either on or near Luffy's level. The important thing is each Strawhat is able to be a force alone but together the group is unstoppable.
1000 chapters of OP and they still cant make the most basic connections
Why can't it just be
Luffy>Zoro>sanji
With equal difference in all of them, which is not big
Every fight between any two of them will be extreme difficult anybody can win given the circumstances
Thats literally the order. The Doriki of CP9 confirms it pretty much. Zoro and Sanji had an easier time while Luffy had a really hard time beating his opponent. So the gap between the three is really close but its still clear who is stronger.
@@GioHimonPro this
@@GioHimonPro yeah but Luffy defeated 2 members, Blueno~ 820 Douriki, Lucci~ 4000 Douriki if we add them we will get 4820. While Kaku and Jabura are 2200 and 2180, if we add them together we will get 4380. So here is the difference, that’s why i think after EL, Luffy was leagues ahead of them.
@@GioHimonPro Sanji's opponent had 20 doriki less cause he was already beaten and injured by Califa. If their opponents had the same doriki fans would think Sanji was stronger.
@@user-im5ri6yr4x Luffy couldn't move after his fight where Zoro and Sanji mid diff their opponents.
One thing Morj forgot to say is about "investment". Luffy Zoro Sanji has been deeply rooted in the fans' heart, they will never change. Years has been put into this.
If we look at it straight, the entire monster trio just can't be aiming for the main villain as there needs to be someone handling the sidelines for luffy to be able to comfortably fight with the main villain. Luffy trusts that his crew mates will handle everything else so that he can focus on the main thing. If all three went for the main guy, half of the straw hats would get wiped out.
Interestingly enough. When a fight starts Luffy usually rushes ahead. Followed by Zoro while Sanji stys behind to rather protect the crew. Zoro then stays behind to let Luffy advance and Sanji then catches up with Zoro. It's always been implied since Alabasta that it's luffy>=Zoro>=Sanji
Morj is just tired of everyone deminishing monster trio
I wonder if the reason oda have one of zorro eye close is to go along with sanji having one eye always covered cause before time skip sanji had his other eye cover and after it was switch while zorro now only looking through one eye which is the same side eye sanji was before timeskip so if you pair them together you get a full pair of eyes
When Usopp gets beat in Water 7 and the three walk into Franky's lair was the moment I knew that they ARE the monster trio.
As a Zoro fanboy, really hope that he would show some new techniques while fighting King
As a Sanji fanboy, I hope for the same of Sanji lol (obviously would love to see the same of Zoro, though, as I like all of the strawhats)
@@zac6876 sanji and zoro's epic fights was long due, this time fans will get their justice served
Imagine a combo attack from Zorro and Sanji, I mean that has to happen at some point
@@sumanpattnaik1546 I can see Oda off-screening most of the fight unfortunately.
@@tegla1232 Im praying for that. This is the arc to see it
Man I get so hyped for any morj video lol
SPOILER 1023 : the first panel of 1023 the side comment says "STANDING SHOULER TO SHOULDER" as sanji and zoro stare down at the 2 calamities they just shot down...
very intriguing sir morj
Preach! This is the kind of topic the people engage in, also love talking about power scaling all the time and disregard any other aspect the author focuses on!
I cannot tolerate Sanji slander!
This actually predicted chapter 1028
Basically....from what I understand
Luffy: Focuses ahead having faith that others have his back
Zoro: Is where he is needed
Sanji: Is where he is needed
Just how Usopp is what a regular human would be in the Strawhats, Sanji is the same with what a human would be with monster strength
That is a great analysis, as always.
And I think that what add more to it, is the fact that its never clear if Sanji is not depicted in the big moments just because he cant, or if it is because of some other random reason.
We saw that right now in Wano. Oda created a full situation to prevent Sanji to go to the rooftop, which raises the question: How well Sanji would have gone there?
He created a similar situation in TB too.
"SHUT UP ABOUT YAMATO" best part of the video hahaha... It will Always be LUFFY ZORO AND SANJI
Isn’t it obvious what Sanji’s role is? He’s worked in a restaurant all his life. He’s not only the chef, but he’s also the server and bus boy. He’s the one who washes the knives in the sink
as a sanji fan i think its painted clearly many times zoro is stronger but still inferior to luffy. kinda like a dominant (right) hand is stronger than the other however still comparable in strength
It’s as easy like this . Scopper gabban silvers Rayleigh. Silver is superior to copper. The third strongest will always be inferior to the second strongest. Zoro end of series will the World strongest swordsman. Sanji won’t be the strongest anything
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“ Sanji won’t be the strongest anything “ 🙄
Sanji is equal to zoro they are on the same level but you’re too stupid to understand that and all zoro fanboys are the same y’all are dumb as fuck to understand portrayal zoro and Sanji are always portrayed as equals which means they are equals it’s a fact wether you like it or not