KAREN READ: Are We Headed for a Hung Jury? -- Lawyer LIVE
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- Jurors headed home around 4, concluding their third day of deliberations. Are we headed for a hung jury in the Karen Read case? What does that mean?
Did Karen Read murder her boyfriend John O’Keefe by mowing him down with her car -maybe even intentionally? Or is she being set up by a corrupt law enforcement officials trying to protect their own?
O’Keefe was found dead in Canton, Massachusetts, in the front yard of Boston police officer Brian Albert. Prosecutors say Karen dropped him off at a party at Albert’s house and then hit him with her car.
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I hate to think it but i am beginning to think it wasn't a coincidence that the Albert's were at closing...
It wasn't a coincidence. It was jury coercion.
Prosecutor Lally probably the source of their disgraceful presence. Remember Albert family saying " the guy never came in the house" .
They were even provided an escort, like they are royalty. This court doesn’t even try to hide the corruption.
Exactly !!
Came from Matt Mc..
The hold-up is that the jury is trying to find the not guilty box on the jurors form. 😂
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😂😂😂 this is great! someone else just commented that maybe they are giving payback to Lally😆
Right?!?
So don't check guilty then.
Medical examiner said victim lost 5 units of blood. Only a few drops found on lawn!
Internal bleeding….same as blood loss.
Oh wow, I did not know that! So that adds to the mindset that they did it, not Karen.
@@deborahcollins5819I don’t recall talk of internal bleeding. But he did have brain swelling and a significant wound on the back of his head so that could be the only injury that caused the blood loss. The dog bites on his arm wouldn’t have produced a lot of blood. And surely the snow would have stopped blood flow hence only a small amount in the snow. So the blood loss must have occurred somewhere else….the basement?
Those marks on his arm are 100% dog bites. I’ve been bitten by a dog and my injuries were just like his. There are other K9 experts that back up the Dr that said they were dog bites on his arm. Sorry - have rambled on lol.
Basement remodeling
@@deborahcollins5819is not Deborah, is not. Did you watch the trial? Because they showed his shirt soaked in blood. They even mentioned they had to leave his clothes drying for an extended time. Did you miss that one?
I believe statistics show that the longer a jury is out the more it favors the Defense, but in this case I'm not so sure it does favor the Defense. If all the jury is charged with is deciding whether KR hit JOK with her vehicle and took his life and experts (unbiased experts) have proven that JOK was not even hit by a vehicle what are they deliberating? Why is this not a "not guilty" two days ago?
It only takes one hold out for a hung jury.
...Great comment, but if there really is rampant corruption in that town, then that also means that they could have rigged (or threatened) the jury.
@@nikolaikalashnikov4253honestly this is my worry. Even one or two to try and argue or convince.
Mind boggling. Physics says JOK not hit by car ergo KR did not hit him with her car.
@@alanasbaby7Trooper Paul clearly explained that you don't need things like Physics. You just need to listen to the crime scene.
I have a question, have you ever heard of anybody that has gotten hit by a vehicle at a speed of 27 mph , getting hit thrown 30 ish feet and no broken bones or bruises
Actually (thrown 50') I have. When they are drunk.
@@Friendofstfrankwhether you're going backward or forward in the snow if your tires are spinning it registers as miles per hour but you're not going anywhere not to mention there's no evidence to support him being hit by a motor vehicle it's exactly the opposite every expert testified he was not hit by a motor vehicle so the next time you get a bruise while bumping into your coffee table walking 3 miles an hour inside your house let me know how you would look getting hit by an SUV
@@deadmanswife3625great point....most people are ignorant
Don't forget he also hit his head on the curb when he was projected! 🤦♀️
@@deadmanswife3625This is what I just can't get past. No matter what aspect you look at, it all comes back to the experts saying this was physically impossible.period.
I was on federal jury duty in Feb for a case that had 13 days of testimony. The minute we were sent to the deliberation room, everything became complicated. You learn that no one sees things the same. It was fascinating the different perspectives people have. We deliberated for 4 days on 7 counts. Two of which we had unanimously decided within 1/2 day. We ended up hung on 1 count after we told the judge we could be there for months & it wasn’t changing. People were “that” set in their decision. My point in this, is that while it looks like an easy decision for many of us, and that includes myself, every little word in that deliberation room carries immense weight & can change the whole meaning of a charge. Fingers crossed for a verdict tomro! #Freekarenread #juisticeforjohnokeefe
Tbh if I was on that jury and being as convinced as I am of her being not guilty, I would not budge an inch because I wouldn't compromise my beliefs just to get out of there.
To be dishonest (TBD) I would vote guilty and would budge. :)
Thank you for sharing your direct experience. ❤
@@sugarfree9921 As a juror, it is crucial to base your decisions on the evidence presented rather than personal beliefs. It is essential to set aside any preconceived notions and focus solely on the facts to ensure a fair and just verdict
@nai792 when I said, "wouldn't compromise my beliefs," it implied (in my mind, at least) that they were based on the evidence and not my feelings.
Lawyer Lee, You are a breath of fresh air! Your candor, intelligence, steady demeanor, and being downright interesting makes you #1. I look forward to hearing, "Hi ya'll." By the way, you look stunning in red tonight.
I totally agree such a stunning respectful lady, Thank you Lawyer Lee❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Well said! Yes, I could listen to her all day!! 😆
I can't fathom what is taking so long when there's THIS much reasonable doubt. Are they trying to solve case?
Not enough reasonable doubt
Technically yes they are trying to solve the case with the evedince from both parties, this is a hard job 12 people sit between justice and injustice . This is somebody's life and the victims families , the thing is we will never actually know what happened to john. I dont think either theory is correct .
Don't forget they received a different verdict sheet yesterday. Not sure it was any clearer than the first one.
I think there are people like me on the jury that think she hit him, maybe not on purpose because she was drunk. But, the prosecution overcharged her and the cops tried to set her up for murder 1 with all their shenanigans.
@@kathleenp9643I agree with you that she hit him, but was involuntary because she was intoxicated and over charged.
“If Chloe bit..you must acquit!!”
I have zero doubt that they are Chloe bites on his arm. I’ve been bitten by a dog and my injuries were so similar. Also there are other K9 experts on You Tube that say 100% they are dog bites. He was most definitely inside that house.
@@jdxx59 agreed!
👏👏👏👏 love this!!
Exactly! Something is VERY wrong if there are jurors that believe the is NO reasonable doubt!!
lol. (OJ-trial), & this is JO-Trial
Obviously someone is holding out ...I feel badly for the families waiting this long
Yes, the retired officer who was likely picked as the head Kahuna of the jury by the crooked court matron 😉
@@ksmith5856yikes
@@ksmith5856
Oh man, that would be really sus, if it turns out that person is the retired cop!! 😮
@@ksmith5856 theres no way she should have chosen a cop to lead that jury , consdering the case , thats such a bad look
I feel bad for the family, too. It seems like they thing KR is guilty based on what they were told, and if she's found not guilty, I don't believe they will ever get justice, unless it comes from the FBI investigation.
So obvious to me, but I haven't been kept in the "woods" during this entire trial. To me, there is no question it is a Not Guilty verdict - no doubt about it. But these jurors haven't had the benefit of what I have had, so I will cut them some slack. They are going through this mess with no commentaries. I just hope and pray they come to the only possible verdict - Not Guilty.
Yeah, they don't know about the concrete floor replacement!
100% agree with you @greenbeagle
exactly
Can’t wait until they say “Not Guilty”. We can have a toast with our red solo cups/evidence collecters.
I will never be able to look at a red solo cup the same after this trial -what a lackadaisical way to gather evidence.
😂 "Hos long will this go on?" 😂
I can’t understand what’s so difficult to see they set her up!!!
I loved your opening line “has much longer?” 😂😂😂
Corruption!!! All of them are a bunch of drunks & alcoholics. The devil 😈
two things can be true. corrupt cops and she hit him.
She is an immature alcoholic. She hit him with her Lexus. All the rest is just misdirection by the defence.
@@ameperdue6953there is zero evidence that she hit him with her car. None.
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Idk, how much she drinks 🍸 and you’re not her friend! And the defence are the only lawyers that brought real evidence to the table. CW testimonies were a joke a laughingstock and uneducated POS. The crime scene 🎬 and evidence was so mishandled it was a joke! I hope you’re never in the Karen seat defending your life against these cops 👮
I don't think the judge likes Karen.
Ya think ?!!!
Ya think?
I definitely 💯 think 🤔 she’s bias
I’m not surprised. Karen is not a likable person and her disrespectful behavior in court, was not unnoticed to the judge and the juri.
Cause she is guilty!
As soon as the juror was dismissed and I found out there was a juror who seemed to be trying to get ppl off jury - I felt very strongly that we might get hung jury. It would not be so far fetched in this scenario that some hidden person connected to the "bad guys" found their way onto this jury - or were gotten to after the trial started. This particular group of characters who were at and hosting this party probably have something on everyone in town lol - so I was very worried then and even more worried now about hung jury. I hope the defense thoroughly investigates this juror and any other ppl they are connected to. Find out if anyone had charges dropped or any strange thing like that in the months or year following this trial. Something does not sit right for me in this situation but I pray I am wrong.
Can you imagine if the jury is like “let’s sit this out so lally can feel our pain” 😂
Oh man this is GOLD!😂😂😂😂😂😂
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I’m wondering if they are just lost they only have one question can you prove be on a reasonable doubt that Karyn is guilty? There is no way that they can find her guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I’m wondering if they’re trying to prove that he was in the house or that it was a conspiracy that’s not their job.
I have to disagree on one point. If there is a hung jury, YOU BET there will be a retrial. The state prosecutors are scared of the police unions. This is especially true in MA. If neither the victim nor perp were a police officer, then it is a different story.
"Hos long must that go on?" LOL 18:20
Thanks Lee for your balanced and unbiased coverage. Some others covering this have shown so much bias they fail to be objective. You are appreciated.
Let’s collectively back up these comments with a prayer for the jury and for Karen. God let justice prevail!! She doesn’t deserve what she has been dragged through. 😢
I pray the juri can see clearly trough the defense lyes and make justice to JO family by jailing his killer KR. Amen 🙏
No thanks
@@claudiafranco4888 obviously you haven’t been watching the trial and the experts! 🙄
Let’s not tell others what to think or do. Okay?
@@kelliethomson922ditto, but mostly cause who is god
The judge told them to go through all the evidence first which is going to take time. I expect they’ve followed all her instructions. A journalist in court today said Bev said at sidebah, the jury just need a bit more time. Pretty sure they’ll come back with something tomorrow. They want this wrapped by the weekend.
Bev is a control freak
Look at the disagreements in the chat. Can you imagine what's going on in that jury room. 🙄
I don't know but as soon as I got off work, I checked your channel to find out what's going on with this verdict! Glad you're here tonight!
There is so much reasonable doubt in this trial it would be difficult for the jurors to deny that. If there were to be a guilty verdict, there would be much scrutiny on them as to why they decided so.
Albert's stuck out like a sore thumb sitting with that family he absolutely was there to distract jurors
Plus one juror retired cop!
He showed who he really is/ the Canton bully.
It was absurd! The entire clan🙄!
AND! To pretend their innocence by showing up there: “see? I’m innocent hence why I am here.”
As failed as their testimonies.
Delusional people act that way…
Worst think they did though?
*The THREE key conspirators showed up:*
The mob boss: Brian
The event coordinator and planner: Jen
And the helping fist: Colin.
It was to show their solidarity with Johns family and for Johns family to show they don’t believe the conspiracy theory defence made up. They are all the victims of Karen also
It’s like a daily fix for me, “Hi Y’all”!!! Makes me smile every time.
Brother Paul glares at Karen except while her lawyer sits sideways with his back blocking his view of her.
He doesn't hide his vengeance that's for sure
That's so sad to me. They believe the liars who know what happened.
Wouldn't you if you thought she killed your brother?
That’s how scary this group of corrupt people are. If they can get to the family of Officer John O’Keefe, and not even be slightly swayed by hearing all of the evidence (or lack there of) that was presented to them, that is super scary for the people of Canton. No wonder they are all trying to put an end to this! This is just one of the hundreds of stories. #freecanton
O'Keefe dont believe KR
I hope she has protection either way…
Thank you for taking the time to explain this trial. My condolences on the loss of your husband.❤
I personally do NOT think the jury can say hey we are going home, because they haven’t even stayed very long during the day and they have already had a million ‘half days’ during this whole mess.
Lee, I absolutely love your coverage every single time. You are so knowledgeable, thoughtful and kind. Thank you
11 to 1 NG, 1 person discounting the science and medical and believes he was hit with a 7k lbs vehicle and gets no fractures, no bruising, lack of blood at the scene etc.
No. Usually the 1 hold out is a police simp. Look how difficult it was to vet the George Floyd jurors.
I'm usually a "wait for it" person. Not here. She may have been drunk, but those people inside that house know exactly what happened to him. It was not Read.
I can’t imagine the stress that these jurors are under right now! Knowing they could be harassed by the police if they find her not guilty!
Or the Karen mob.
Ive read the Juror's arent from there, what I would have been thinking, seeing them sitting there is Tell them the guy never came in the house..
@@shaylynned8786 the chairs are from there, from that area, from that city, from that town,! They’re from there!
@@KitKatSukiKat its just that that is what I read..when looked up it says this:
Prospective jurors are selected at random from the resident lists supplied to the OJC every year by each of the 351 cities and towns in Massachusetts. All of a judicial district's resident names are combined into a large database, where they're randomly shuffled by a computer program.
Not worried. FBI will bring Justice even if federal trials aren’t live.
I hope so
You trust the f b I ?! They sure ain't coming through in the Kohberger case....naw, not trustworthy
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Yessssss!!!!!
Hopefully feds bring the bad cops to justice. State gov is always in bed with cops, but feds don't care.
@Lawyer Lee !!! Thank you so much for now changing the hello to the first five in the chat 💬 I use to get really frustrated when I would get ready for your live and it always always always had a bunch of people in there ! Never ever had the opportunity to be one of the first five . So gracious and conscientious of you to acknowledge and fix this ! Everyone ❤a shout out ! Thanks again 😊😊
Seriously?
Lee is so thoughtful isn’t she😊
I had no idea that mattered to anybody.
So sad.
Funny how Perry Mason always gets them to confess 😁😂
Thank you for covering the comment the judge made! I clocked it but no one else I've seen mentioned! They must have been visibly frustrated
Lol the infamous fan 😂 I’m so tired of it
This case going for appeal because of judge.
No evidence of vehicle hitting him.
The dog bite Doctor proved that KR is innocent to me.
100
@@varrick1226 it was not proved to be a dog bite it was suggested a dog but there is no guarantee it could be a wild animal rather than domestic . Dr Russell said an animal attack
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And Chloe is unalived. What a weird coincidence
@@lolabear3230 really, & that’s why the dog was rehome and unavailable! Bet the f they could do teeth impressions it would’ve matched
Karen would be like, after Judge took offence to her smirking. Okay, we are off to Appellant Court...
Great song ! " Hos long,.... has this been goin on ? " 🎶
😆
I love how you are using all the jokes that were on livestream during the day 😂😂😂 Hos long… Only fan… haha
If they were sequestered they would get there
Omg you’re the cutest. I cackled when you started with “How’s long will it last?” 😂😂😂
Thanks Lee!😊
The Feds need to step in if this is a hung jury
Why?
@@kathleenp9643why?
Seriously?
The feds have already stepped in You'll hear more from the feds after the verdict. I CANT WAIT !
They have no jurisdiction
ABSOLUTELY!
Good morning from Tokyo! I went to sleep last night with the fan on! 😊
No way in hell 12 people can decide one way or the other!
Hung jury 100% 😮😮😮
Police simp always infiltrates the jury
They heard the whole case every day..
The Innocence Project will jump right on that if convicted.
She could die first, and I’m not exaggerating. Check how much chronic patients deteriorate in the prison system. She has multiple conditions that can probably be triggered with this process and that will probably progress without adequate treatment. If these jurors compromise, they will have blood in their hands.
@@lhr8833this is heartbreaking to consider
@@lhr8833 oh wow 😟
@@Liv-lq9jg She already lost her health insurance with this process. This is beyond evil. And they knew she has disabilities, is obvious with Proctor’s messages. They don’t care about the damage they are doing.
She isn't innocent though
The judge wouldn't know what is going on in the jury room, right? Nobody should.. can't wait for some jurors to speak out!
No but the jury is allowed to tell the judge they're stuck. And then the judge will usually tell them ok, go back and keep trying. At least once, sometimes more. So it's possible they told her that. Or maybe just told her they know they won't have a verdict today so can they go home b/c they're tired.
The fact we have anyone who would vote guilty is very disheartening. Listing to the closing arguments from the prosecution left way to many reasonable doubts
The Alberts are classless. Its gross.
They couldn’t go to the funeral but they can come for the verdict???? I think it’s because they have an interest invested. FBI maybe
Or maybe to intimidate the jury
Who knows
@@badassmom1970I would of thought they would of been happy with not guilty or guilty. They've got away with it.
What a bunch of hateful people you are!!
@@badassmom1970 They went to the funeral.
I think the fog bites on his arm should be proof enough that it wasn’t her that killed him
Everyone had a different take on the arm wounds though. It was very confusing. I don’t feel very much of the case was solid. Lots of confusion!
@@HeadNtheClouds When asked if they could be caused by an animal, the ME said it’s possible, and then the dog bite experts testified that they were definitely caused by an animal. Not sure how that conflicts in any way?
@@HeadNtheCloudsconfusion=reasonable doubt 💜
They were not dog bites!
@@terriabbott9549Karen bit him? 😄
The vehicle tail light could not have caused the marks. Something jagged could of caused it but nothing on the vehicle is jagged.
Thank you Lawyer Lee. Please accept my sincere condolences on the loss of your husband. May he Rest in Peace.
I’ve been forwarding this video to everyone on social media.
I was well informed today. Thank you!
The coming verdict scares me to death. Can these people leave Karen alone because she is really Not Guilty? Please!
After seeing the type of people who testified for the prosecution I worried about who would be on this jury. The idea of 12 open minded people who would follow the facts being selected seemed unlikely.
There is gossip out there that one of the jurors is a retired cop.
The investigation and evidence gathering is so compromised
I heard the same thing!
@@melsafken764 Then he shouldnt have been allowed on the Jury..especially this Jury..
Thank you, Lee. I love this document you shared about Dynamite charge. This is such a great educational experience for me. ❤
I truly hope theres not a plant in the jury.
imo -there is a plant -reason it’s taking this long
Like a retired cop?
you know there is a police simp in there
I have a feeling that is why they are a hung jury. The McAlberts and Bev made sure of it.
I think there's someone on that jury who worries how they'll be treated the next time they drive through Canton. Letting the McAlberts come in for closing arguments was allowing the jury to be intimidated, in my opinion.
Imo
Part of them being there was so turtle boy couldn't be in the courtroom.
TB was behind them.
That's why there are dash cams
@@carlosvile9832: Dash cams didn't help KR.
@@melsafken764
TB was sitting right behind them. 🤦♀️
I have a gut feeling this is going to be a hung jury.
Lee really appreciate your insights and balance. Thinking of you at this difficult time.
Does anyone think Karen truly knows what happened? I feel like she doesn’t know for sure what happened because she was so intoxicated and can’t recall anything until she sobered up hours later and went back to the house she knew she took him to after the bar.???
I think she drank more once she got to JO house. She was up all night...who knows what her intox was when she left at 12.30
She made horrible hateful voice mail, 54 phone calls to John. 4 calls to her parents and several calls and text to Katie,Jen and Kerry. From 1-5
Then claim she was asleep Said she left John at bar but returned to the scene. GUILTY GUILTY
Sorry I missed this show live. I love the show and the fantastic people in the chat. I do have a question however. Assuming a hung jury, a re-trial and a guilty verdict for any of the charges, would an appeal be allowed to reach into the first trial, or will all the mistakes or errors at law be completely dismissed as if they never happened? I thinking the latter. What do you think?
Thank you for covering, I’m on vacay and keep checking for verdict status . Sending you hugs.
Hos long will this go on?? Lol! Hilarious, Lawyer Lee! 😄
There is no set time limit for jury deliberations, even if the fan stops.
Obviously, they meant if the fan is turned off, it’ll get really hot so the jury will want to speed up!
😂😂
Love your take on this and your personality beautiful! ❤
When “clear your head” means: hung jury. Protesters on street are allowed to yell “FREE KAREN READ!” What on earth is going on? 😬
Praying for a “Not Guilty” verdict on day 34 of Karen Read’s trial! Day 34 🤔 34 Fairview ????
Acquit Karen Read Jury, please - I pray in the mighty name of Jesus, Amen 🇦🇺🙏🇺🇸
Amen 🙏
Hung on some, guilty on others. Corrupt judge saw to that.
Cowards on the jury. Case should have been moved . Too many witnesses part of community. Judge knew that
@@sarastewart2633 their multiple counts. Not guilty on upper and guilty on some lower and hung some lower
Demonstration s have not helped.
@@johnmorgun9961 I disagree. It counters the intimidating police
Yes two things can be true. Lally told us that. Lol. But they really can be. I don't know that I believe that but they can both be true@@sarastewart2633
If she didn't hit him, it should be not guilty on all charges.
If its a hung jury will it be repeated with the same judge?
I’m with you Lawyer Lee!
Thank you again! Excellent breakdown!
I rhought it was funny, one of the You tubers started talking to the fan. " Hows your day Mr Fan" and more it was great.
Enjoyed tonights show lee.💛🌻💕
I learn so much from this channel and your sense of humor is great!
We are all waiting for the shit to hit that fan!....(PLEASE!)😂
That is ridiculous
It’s a murder trial as you know and the just is trying to get it right. I know she is innocent, but they have tons of material to go through.
The [dynamite] charge was first used in Massachusetts in 1851 and was sanctioned by the Supreme Court in 1896 in Allen v. United States.
However, many states have rejected the charge in whole or in part, including Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Dakota, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Wisconsin, and Wyoming.
Federal courts may still use dynamite charges, but some argue that they can pressure jurors into changing their opinions or give in to peer pressure.
I wish this case would go away! Let's move on to something that makes some kind of sense.
The judge should NOT know if the jury is having trouble. She should know nothing, ditto with bailiffs, etc.
But juries are allowed to tell the judge if they are stuck. They may have told her that today. The first time a jury says that, the judge will usually tell them to go back and try again. I don't think there's a set number of times they're allowed to go back and try again. But they definitely can say they're stuck and not have it be the final status (hung jury). In fact I have never heard of a jury saying they are stuck and the judge NOT telling them to try a bit longer.
Some jurors must be trying to dismiss the evidence. I watched the trial and it’s overwhelming how much evidence there is.
Agreed evidence was overwhelming she should be found innocent.
Evidence of what exactly? You’re being very vague.
Only evidence is that she didn’t hit John with her car.
@@Luv4Berners Her Lexus taillight microscopic pieces were in his clothing. There’s no denying the physical evidence.
@@conservativegirl3371what about the fact no fractures or bruising after getting hit by 7k lbs vehicle? What about the lack of blood at the scene based on how much he lost? How about the CW own ME said his injuries not consistent. Physics rules out this happened like the CW claims. Lally claims the arm injuries were from the plastic dimples on the light yet NO blood on the light or any microscopic pieces in the wound. Who cares about the clothes. The chain of custody is suspect and with pieces multiplying in the evidence bag which was shown in court doesn't give you any reasonable doubt? But pieces on clothing convinces you? Wow.
I knew you went to Harvard that is so cool you have put in a whole lot of work I love how organized you think
On the day bell case
The jury took a day ( it was a difficult decision)
But they wanted to sleep on it before a conviction
This actually worries me
For sure the jurors got some outside news. The evidence presented was disperse and not clear. Hard for the jurors.
@@Riblyme I hope they can see through the BS
Hos long will this go on? 😅
"what a horrible tragedy to the family... well tell us about lunch where do the jurors eat lunch" that transition was not smooth 😭
You are an awesome lawyer. I agree with everything you say! Thank you so much for what you do!
We are people
I just started watching some of the testimony. Definitely to me looks like she was framed. Just from the testimony why are everyone having all these butt dials & can’t remember anything. The fact that she drove home & went back the next day morning & no one in that house saw him until she got there? & googling how long take someone to die in the cold 🥶 yeah 😳
The google search was debunked by 2 extremely strong experts, including the guy that came up with the whole program. And the company changed the whole program because of the misleading nature of the time stamps. the butt dials are strange (I mean everyone has butt dials, but the fact that there were a few that night was strange. Although they were all drunk, so idk). But no one seeing him except the one girl not driving and looking out the window isn't weird at all to me. I wouldn't notice anything on someone's lawn if I was leaving a party after drinking, in a blizzard, in the middle of the night. I'd be saying bye, checking my phone, looking for my keys, being careful not to slip on the snow, and just going straight to my car instead of checking out the yard.
There is so much reasonable doubt. The cops failure to investigate the residence where John was found outside of creates huge doubt, particularly in light of the absolute failure to follow basic forensics.
I totally totally agree😮
Miss Lee, you always look so beautifully polished ❤
I don't feel sorry for any of the O'keefe's except Mr O'Keefe To let those animals come into court and sit behind them. What every they hoped to prove it backfired..Go back and watch AJ's closing Brian Albert was on the camera the whole time and he could not sit still, was making faces....If anyone look guilty it was him.
But take a step back for a minute. I know emotions are running high. But the O'Keefes are innocent and did nothing wrong except lose their son/brother. They are the VICTIMS. Along with their son. Hearing people talk about them this way is mind-blowing. This case is split. Many people believe in the conspiracy but many people also believe Karen did it. I understand you believe the Alberts/McCabes killed John. But a lot of us don't believe in the same theory. Aren't we all allowed to watch the trial and come to our own conclusions? Why does everyone have to believe the same thing? We are not clones. We're allowed to have our own opinions. The O'Keefes are too. Even more so, because it's their own son/brother, and not to mention they have seen even more evidence (the excluded evidence) than any of us. So how come because they don't agree with you, they are wrong and siding with "animals". Obviously they don't believe the Alberts/McCabes killed their son/brother or they wouldn't sit with them. The fact that anyone would disparage the O'Keefes is just inhumane. People booing them and screaming at them and going to their house/work/school is inhumane. I get you love Karen, great, support her all you want. But that family did nothing wrong and can believe in whichever side they believe in. They have no control over that. They're not siding with people they think did it, lol. So they obviously don't think they're bringing in "animals". On what PLANET would a family do that? This case is completely and utterly out of control and it's terrifying at this point.
Alberts and McCabe were invited by John's family
They know Karen killed John
The issue here is this - in my view! Most of us are brought up to believe that the police and prosecutors can be trusted - therefore we should just believe them. In fact there are more corrupt and or inept people in these two careers than you may think. When a jury is confronted with this, they are hesitant to rule against the very people who they view as protectors. I suggest you don't trust any of them until they have proved themselves else you may end up in the same mess as Karen Reid!
I totally agree…. It should be about reasonable doubt, not police corruption.
Saldy there are some gross people who will do everything to protect the cops reputations even if it means sacrificing an innocent person.