This entire time Garak is subtly insulting Quark to his face and Quark is simultaneously enjoying the pleasure of Garak's company and talking just to hear himself talk. These two elevate every scene they're in.
Honestly, I think that Quark knows that Garak's just fucking with him with the gentle barbs. He's known Garak a while, he knows that the tailor treats every conversation like its a game of chess, he doesn't take any offense to any of it, it's not like Garak's actually trying to get under his skin. He's a people person, after all :D.
@@Wraithfighter Yes, and while Garak pokes fun at first, Quark kind of plays into it a little with a glib look and then brings up the root beer. This scene is loved because it's one where the characters were people, a rarity in any show.
I also believe knowing Quark has out logic'd a Vulcan and out honoured a Klingon, perhaps he is out playing the player himself while just having a moment
@@blackdog6969 Which, iirc, Shimerman basically said in retrospect as part of explanations as to how a "bit" scene turned into some of the thickest foreshadowing in the Trek series'.
A better way to classify it would be to say that Garak is being condescending, which is typical Cardassian behavior. But Quark established a sincere connection with Garak by his use of root beer as a metaphor. They are both in a precarious position, and dependent on the contemptible Federation to escape their situations.
Two seasons later we got a fabulous pay-off to this moment. When Quark rants about how much he hates The Dominion and says; "I miss the Federation. I wanna sell Root Beer again!"
Not only that, but Quark got a taste of the gun-running business when his cousin Gaila (yup, the one with the moon) made Quark an offer he couldn't refuse. And in a way, it had the opposite effect of root beer on him.
To think this was an extra scene they filmed only because they were short on time. The director wanted to play it as a humorous scene, instead Armin Shimerman and Andrew Robinson added the layer of subtext. Probably one of the best scenes in DS9, if not all of Trek.
+KeplersConjecture even better is they only thought they'd be short but ended up running long. But Moore fought to keep it in because it was so good. As sfdebris always says, this is one of the great things about DS9. They take these opportunities to expand the story and characters, not just pad things out with technobabble like Voyager.
I like how Garak at first is being sarcastic and patronizing to Quark's plight, and then realizes that Quark is making an important point that applies to both of them.
Quark does that often... He hits his point home before you notice he has done it... and you are left with nothing but a realization that he's turned a drink into a metaphor for something much bigger and deep.
I love Andrew Robinson's acting in this scene. He looks, sounds, and acts _genuinely disgusted_ by the taste of root beer. And then we see his expression change to an appreciation for its implied insidiousness.
Holy shit! You are right! I have watched that episode many times, but never drew the connection between his initial reaction, and his expression changing when he is told how insidious it is. Brilliant.
Exactly so. Garak thinks he is winning the conversation with his witty/snarky comebacks, then at 2:17 realizes that Quark is conversing at a different level. Andrew does a great job with that moment.
Quark is actually a very nice and generous guy, he hides it though because he's ashamed of this. He's giving his friend the drink for free because he's consoling him, but refuses to admit the reason.
Quark is an amazing character. Tied to his cultural beliefs and heritage, but also capable of having his own opinions instead of being a puppet. And not in a "misfit looking for a new home" way, like Worf, but in a more "we don't have to like EVERYTHING about our culture" way. He's willing to help out his friends, but not willing to let Ferenginar's social reforms affect his bar, or allow his mother to wear clothes or earn her own profit. I love that. It's so bloody relatable. Nobody is black and white about their culture or heritage. Everyone finds something to disagree with in their home laws.
@@ssjwes Quark sold to the Bajorans for even less than next to nothing. He sold to them at cost. In Ferengi culture he essentially gave the merchandise away.
I think my favorite thing about this scene is that Quark knows exactly how to console Garak. He doesn't want sympathy, and pity would downright offend him, but as soon as he realizes Quark is sharing a clever insight that wry smile comes right out. Quark really is a people person.
I was watching a Collider video and Adrew Robinson and Armin Shimmerman were talking about how they would practice scenes on their days off. They discovered the way to play this scene at one of these practice session. It wasn’t the intention of the writers or the director. It elevated the material they were given. It’s a perfect example of two dedicated and talented actors who took their jobs seriously.
Right?? If you look at just the script, it looks very funny and light-hearted. But in the hands of these two,c it adds a layer of depth that not even the director saw coming. I love it!
In the hands of a less talented set of actors this scene would've been exactly as written and the world would've been lesser in its absence... they are definitely world class master craftsmen
Yup. Both of them are pariahs of sorts to their respective people, both forced to rely on the Federation, which wounds their pride deeply, yet they have no other choice. And ALL of that is beautifully portrayed here without a single word of dialogue directly saying so.
It's very clever, because it's all subtext. On paper they are just talking about a weird human drink, under the surface this is them subtly admitting that they need the Federation to win, despite neither officially having a dog in the fight. Plus Quark at least, is admitting that he kind of likes the Federation now. He's not proud of it, but he does.
This is really where DS9 shines, the characters and the acting. I love the smile Garak gives before he says just like the federation. Here he is, this dramatic tailor/spy who is always talking in riddles and such talking to a relatively straighforward businessman, realizing that he wasn't just fed a shit drink to try to sell it to him but rather to metaphorically describe Quark's feelings towards the Federation, which Garak may be sympathetic to and Garak's smile is like: Ah, i see what you did there. Well done.
1:48 My favorite DS9 scene, bar none. I love the way Quark says "I know..." in such a defeated tone; hating the wholesomeness and addictive nature. And how Garak smiles while declaring it "Insidious"; as he seems to appreciate how diabolical the concept is. Two aliens contemplating their resentful appreciation for human constructs and their loathing dependence on them. Soooo good. Quark > What do you think? Garak > It's vile. Quark > I know. It's so bubbly and cloying and happy. Garak > Just like the Federation. Quark > But you know what's really frightening? If you drink enough of it, you begin to like it. Garak > It's insidious. Quark > Just like the Federation.
Quark's a salesman. He understands the power of a good sales pitch, and the Federation's "join in, and get to enjoy peace, self-determination and free trade" sales pitch really is insidiously irresistable. He might not like it, but he can respect it.
I wonder if Garak even considered the concept of lovebombing up to that point. Good PR and good deeds is what got the space commies such a diverse techbase. From 5 species to 500 in two centuries. Kindness and friendship can be a weapon too.
@@hudsonball4702 I think he was meaning to point out how the dialogue may have been written in a way to relate to the previous line but with completely different contexts. I personally enjoy this form of dialogue writing greatly. I can even give another example of it from Halo 2, off the top of my head.
This is one of the funniest scenes in Trekdom, made poignant by their realization that for all their years of condescension towards the Federations' lofty goals, they slowly had come to find those principles appealing. :-D
That is what I was saying in another comment. As much as Quark and Garak don't want to like the United Federation of Planets, they are slowly won over by it because it is so good. It grows on you. It is insidious...just like the human drink root beer. :)
You know for years I assumed that they were talking about the federation saving them. But I've started to wonder from the way they talk, and the faraway look in Quark's eyes if maybe they aren't looking to be saved from the federation! The way they talk about it in this scene, their experiences. The federation is so happy and numbing in it's conformity. It is in it's own way, oppressive. Not something either of these unusual character wants. But here they are both trapped, slowly getting drawn into it, and drawn to the federation characters. One diverting misadventure to pass the time after another. And slowly, ever so slowly it too It's almost like they've got stockholm syndrome and while they act as if they don't, deep down they know it, and are unsure if they want it or could even live without it anymore. Can't really say for certain either way. If it is saved by the federation, or from the federation. But it is a testament to the actors, and this scene that they're able to convey so much, and with such subtly and ambiguity. One of the many reasons DS9 is the greatest Star Trek for me, and has no challenger.
@@Ididntchoosethisname excellent analysis! wow...and I agree, it is that possible dual-meaning and ambiguity, that made DS9 so amazing, and full of rewatchability!
Also take note that Garak earlier jobs involving skullduggery, finding out that a happy smile can be as ruthless but has better pr than you own empire.
I liked it because Star Trek TOS was pitched as being "Wagon Train to the Stars". ("Wagon Train" was one of the most popular shows on NBC at the time Star Trek was being developed, and comparing his project to Wagon Train was the only way Roddenberry could get studio execs to wrap their heads around a science fiction series that wasn't designed for kids.) Anyway, when ST:TNG came out, it was still like "Wagon Train to the Stars". Which made DS9 such a refreshing change: DS9 is a frontier town, filled with gamblers, hustlers, a saloon with "gentleman's entertainment" upstairs (the holosuites), a no-nonsense sheriff, and lots of people on their way from somewhere going someplace else. And there's Cisco in the role of the cavalry officer, trying to build a fort and defend the settlement and the townsfolk, hoping to keep the peace long enough for the territory to be accepted as a state. They even have the possibility of a railroad coming through town (the wormhole).
*That moment when you realize the Federation Empire is going for a Culture victory* *MEANWHILE* Terran Empire: "Go for a Conquest victory, they said. It will be FUN, they said."
This is always hilarious on Stellaris. You expect the Ravenous Hive/Determined Exterminator/Fanatic Purifier to win on conquest grounds but then that one little Federation in the corner that nobody's been paying attention to for the last hour suddenly balloons massively out of proportion and gets a victory for controlling most of the galaxy.
I'd love to see a conversation between Quark and Garak talking about how, soon, they'll all be listening to "rock music," and wearing "blue jeans," and Garak lamenting how difficult denim is to tailor.
@@r0bw00d They thought they were going to be short on time. Then they found out that they were actually going to go long and they wanted to cut the scene; but people fought to keep the scene. (Is my understanding)
@@frostmagemarii Not only that, but the episode director wanted to shot the scene as just a bit of comedy fluff, but Shimerman and Robinson knew what they had on their hands in this and played it completely straight instead.
I always liked how the only context the audience would learn about Quarks cousin Gala was in terms of his insecurity over the fact he owned a moon. Every time cousin Gala was mentioned it always was followed by "oh the one with the moon?"
Garak was an incredible character. He had this chemistry with a lot of characters. Bashir, Odo, Sisko, Quark. These are four very different characters but there was some understanding there.
In my opinion, Garak is the best character of the Star Trek universe. You never know what his next step will be, sometimes you like him the way he is, sometimes you just want to kill him. The creator is a genius indeed.
@@daviniarobbins9298 Yep, and we make some damn good (or evil) stuff, it's a pity they send our soldiers out to die with rifles that regularly jam and field radios that can be listened in on by the enemy.
@@Halesburg True. But the intent with which many things are made can be good or evil (or at least ill-intentioned), that's why cluster bombs, land mines, and war gases were invented, and then eventually banned because their effects were so appaling, especially to civilians after conflicts had ended. They weren't created to improve health and happiness in any measurable way.
Robinson got typecast because of that famous role and got real tired of it. He loved playing Garak because it was a very different and much more complex character.
Never underestimate the people in the background. Much like Garak who knows how to do mundane tasks like gardening and being a tailor, it's the background people who have almost unlimited access to everything. No one suspects the bartender, tailor, or even the janitor.
These were the actual ninja's in japan. the 'samurai's' gardeners, tailors, etc. One moment they're doing their job, the next they stab you in the back.
0:30 - "How thoughtless of me not to consider the effect the destruction of my homeworld would have on your business. These must be trying times for you. Be brave."
And Quark fails to even notice that savage jab at his utter self absorption because he's absorbed in his own envy and self pity, thus totally proving Garak's point.
@@IrishCarney Give our dear bartender more credit. After all, a good customer, and maybe even a friend, came in, frankly, in a horrible position. And by the end of it, he can smile again. Quark has no trouble playing the fool or the villain, just like Garak.
+ladynottingham89 AFAIK, it wasn't easy for Andrew J. Robinson, because if he moved some of his face muscles too much, the makeup would become unstuck. And because he's claustrophobic, then he was afraid of the makeup at the beginning. It seems, that in time, he grew into it, after he saw another person from the mirror.
Mart Rootamm I didn't know Andrew Robinson was claustrophobic in real life (I'm rather new to Star Trek). It would be cool to transform physically to play a character. Perhaps it enables the actor to feel as if they embodied a different entity. He did an excellent job; Garak gave DS9 some "spice" for me.
+ladynottingham89 Visual transformation is one thing, but applying makeup takes hours, and call times were very early for those who had to have intricate makeup on. Armin Shimerman (Quark) had to be on site at around 04:30, and a typical workday was not short. And then it also took hours to remove all the prosthetics, the latex, and the glue. People playing humans, Bajorans, and even the Trill were luckier. Jeri Ryan, who played 7 of 9 in _Voyager_, had "second, third, and fourth thoughts" during the borgified makeup process, when the character was introduced into the show. I'm sure there were actors, who were also allergic to latex, glue, and some colours. AFAIK, in Farscape, which is another sci-fi show, the kidneys and health of Virginia Hey ("Zhaan") were adversely affected by blue makeup. The makeup business is hopefully safer because of this, but there was sacrifice.
It reminds me of how it was a big deal that, for Dark Knight, they had managed to get the process down to either 2 hours to put it on, or they made taking it off much simpler, but either way, when even that is the much shorter version, it shows the kind of dedication needed to tolerate such roles.
Mart Rootamm Brent Stait, who played Rev Bem in the TV show Andromeda, left after the first season because he was actually allergic to the prosthetics and had complained several times.
These two actors (Andrew Robinson as Garak, and Armin Shimerman as Quark) were the best of the series. Both characters were so deep, dark, and yet so entertaining. Cheers for the 90s!
Am I the only one who thinks DS9 is the best of all the Star Trek's? I like how there are so many rich and diverse characters. I also really enjoy the series from about this episode on word when the Dominion War happened because for the first time in the history of Star Trek there were real stakes because the Federation was on the verge of collapse.
in the last few decades there has been a reveal across various platforms of a Galactic Map showing that the Federation wasnt monolithic, or even one contiguous area. THere were large gaps between some sections, but thanks to warp travel it didnt matter as much. It's one angle the Dominion used to devastating effect.
They writing on this was simply intended to be a bit of fun to fill up time in an episode they thought was going to run short. The brilliance of the scene came directly from the actors who extrapolated a much deeper meaning and elevsted that bit of writing to one of the best scenes in DS9 (if not all of Star Trek).
Always been a star trek fan, but scenes like this are why I'll always be a niner. Love Garak, always was one of my fave characters as well as Bashir. God bless Andrew Robinson, what a wonderful actor.
I remind people that life isn't TV or movies, turning away doesn't silence your conversation for the room. Everyone in the bar could hear them, as quiet as things were.
One of my favourite scenes in all of Star Trek. The dialogue works so well because it comes from the heart of the character and actually deals with the here and now reality they face.
This is why I love DS9, its a refreshing change of pace from any other trek show. Now we get to see things from an outsider perspective about humanity and its empire. The writing, acting, character development(especially all the minor characters) is brilliant. DS9 was also a pioneer in terms of making the show a serial instead of episodic, which really allowed the writers to focus more on character development. IMO Sopranos, Walking Dead, Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, etc also use a similar format that DS9 helped pioneer.
I know 3 years and all, but what I love about DS9 is willing to point the Federation's flaws while never stooping so low as to attacking their ideals. The Federation are good people, but even good people are flawed.
This scene is one of the best descriptions of and lessons on how to properly use propaganda. They never could have pulled this scene off the same with any other characters. One of the top 3 scenes in all of Star Trek.
This scene is wonderful (needless to say). But what I love more, is that finally...and I do mean FINALLY...DS9 is beginning to be appreciated for the brilliant show it always was. I'll drink my cloyingly bubbly root beer to THAT!
I never really got in to DS9 in the way I did with Voyager and TNG, but it's scenes like this that make me realise how great some of the actors were in DS9. The character building, demeanour and depth of some of them is just brilliant. Quark and Garak are a perfect example.
this clip is what got me to start watching DS9. Growing up in the 90's these shows were always on, but I could never grasp the concept or feel comfortable in the world building. When I saw this clip, it summed up the vast universe and I could see the levels in both writing and range of acting in just these characters alone. This scene prepared me for the depth of drama that could be held in just one sci-fi series.
I've watched DS9 three times so far, and will again many more. Every time, I appreciate Garak more and more. He's just so absolutely committed to every line of dialogue.
This scene made me realize how little time of all these series was spent without humans, exploring the purely alien opinions of the Federation. A pity!
One of the most profound moments in Trek history. "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience".
@@pwnorbepwned What would you call someone who wishes to have control over you because they think they know what's good for you better than you do? I'd call them a socialist personally, and since sjw-ism stems from post-modern theory, which itself is a subset of socialism where the practitioners believe that rather than the rich being the robber barons, the dominant racial, sexual, ethnic group are the robber barons, sjw's do fit the description.
One of my favorite scenes in the Star trek universe. New trek tried to add more grayness to the federation. But this scene shows you what all they needed to do
The Skill of Subtext is something that can make any innane conversation subject into a grand dialogue of universal importance. It also helps to have a jackass and a smarmy fuck doing the speeches though.
Garak was, and is one of my all time favorite Characters in any franchise. He was played to perfection and his stories were always great. This scene and the scene with Sisko after the killing of the Romulan Ambassador, framing the Dominion, thus pulling the Romulans into the war were absolutely perfect.
That was a great episode! I also liked the one where they were on the prison moon, & Garak was trying to rewire the transmitter while battling his claustrophobia. That was so well played!!! Both of these are among my favorite episodes.
"In The Pale Moonlight".... so few people really clued into the origin of that title. Especially more recently born people (post 1980 or so). "Did you ever dance with the Devil **in the pale moonlight**??" Such a brilliant reference for Sisko's having to do exactly that, with Garak in the role of The Devil.
This entire time Garak is subtly insulting Quark to his face and Quark is simultaneously enjoying the pleasure of Garak's company and talking just to hear himself talk.
These two elevate every scene they're in.
Honestly, I think that Quark knows that Garak's just fucking with him with the gentle barbs. He's known Garak a while, he knows that the tailor treats every conversation like its a game of chess, he doesn't take any offense to any of it, it's not like Garak's actually trying to get under his skin.
He's a people person, after all :D.
@@Wraithfighter Yes, and while Garak pokes fun at first, Quark kind of plays into it a little with a glib look and then brings up the root beer. This scene is loved because it's one where the characters were people, a rarity in any show.
I also believe knowing Quark has out logic'd a Vulcan and out honoured a Klingon, perhaps he is out playing the player himself while just having a moment
@@blackdog6969 Which, iirc, Shimerman basically said in retrospect as part of explanations as to how a "bit" scene turned into some of the thickest foreshadowing in the Trek series'.
A better way to classify it would be to say that Garak is being condescending, which is typical Cardassian behavior. But Quark established a sincere connection with Garak by his use of root beer as a metaphor.
They are both in a precarious position, and dependent on the contemptible Federation to escape their situations.
Two seasons later we got a fabulous pay-off to this moment. When Quark rants about how much he hates The Dominion and says; "I miss the Federation. I wanna sell Root Beer again!"
It's insidious
Just like the Federation.
This was one of the things that made DS9 so damn amazing compared to TNG and all the rest.
Not only that, but Quark got a taste of the gun-running business when his cousin Gaila (yup, the one with the moon) made Quark an offer he couldn't refuse. And in a way, it had the opposite effect of root beer on him.
Let's hope he held on to all those cases of Kanar, when the Dominion took over the station there'd be no shortage of Cardassians to sell it to!
2 aliens bond over the existential depression about relaying on humans
"It's Always Sunny on Deep Space 9"
I know exactly how they feel
Ahahah well said!
*toasts with root beer
*hyoo-mons
Not just human, but yeah
To think this was an extra scene they filmed only because they were short on time. The director wanted to play it as a humorous scene, instead Armin Shimerman and Andrew Robinson added the layer of subtext. Probably one of the best scenes in DS9, if not all of Trek.
+KeplersConjecture Don't know as I'd call it one of Trek's best scenes .... but damned if it isn't one of DS9's best. That subtext is played well.
+KeplersConjecture even better is they only thought they'd be short but ended up running long. But Moore fought to keep it in because it was so good. As sfdebris always says, this is one of the great things about DS9. They take these opportunities to expand the story and characters, not just pad things out with technobabble like Voyager.
I like how Garak at first is being sarcastic and patronizing to Quark's plight, and then realizes that Quark is making an important point that applies to both of them.
Quark does that often...
He hits his point home before you notice he has done it... and you are left with nothing but a realization that he's turned a drink into a metaphor for something much bigger and deep.
This is why he is one of my favorite characters from the entire Star Trek franchise. XD
'I can see the attraction, for you'.
Damn Garak. Brutal.
Yeah but at the same time... Damn. Just Damn. This entire convo.
The entire conversation is the best example of subtle trolling from Garak. Epic.
And Quark just takes it in stride and plows ahead. These might be the two best frenemies on television.
@@TheSchaef47
What would you call the Sisko/Run at relationship?
@@drmayeda1930 Sisko / Run at?
I love Andrew Robinson's acting in this scene. He looks, sounds, and acts _genuinely disgusted_ by the taste of root beer. And then we see his expression change to an appreciation for its implied insidiousness.
Holy shit! You are right! I have watched that episode many times, but never drew the connection between his initial reaction, and his expression changing when he is told how insidious it is. Brilliant.
And he does this right after drinking the kanar, which is apparently corn syrup with some coloring added.
Exactly so. Garak thinks he is winning the conversation with his witty/snarky comebacks, then at 2:17 realizes that Quark is conversing at a different level. Andrew does a great job with that moment.
As it should, i cant imagine it tastes well, through i like the federation.
Well it seems quark just pours it from a pitcher. It’s probably not cold so yeah its gonna be well…vile
Quark is actually a very nice and generous guy, he hides it though because he's ashamed of this. He's giving his friend the drink for free because he's consoling him, but refuses to admit the reason.
Quark is an amazing character. Tied to his cultural beliefs and heritage, but also capable of having his own opinions instead of being a puppet. And not in a "misfit looking for a new home" way, like Worf, but in a more "we don't have to like EVERYTHING about our culture" way. He's willing to help out his friends, but not willing to let Ferenginar's social reforms affect his bar, or allow his mother to wear clothes or earn her own profit. I love that. It's so bloody relatable. Nobody is black and white about their culture or heritage. Everyone finds something to disagree with in their home laws.
he is just following the 57th rule of acquisition: "Good customers are as rare as latnum. treasure them!"
He also helped the Bajoran resistance for next to nothing.
He's kind of an Archie Bunker. Not a bad guy, but still a product of his culture.
@@ssjwes Quark sold to the Bajorans for even less than next to nothing. He sold to them at cost. In Ferengi culture he essentially gave the merchandise away.
They think it's insidious now? Just wait until Quark adds a scoop of vanilla ice cream to it!!!
Troubleshooter125 It would blow his lobes.
oo-mox in a mug-!
I wonder what Quark and Garak would've made of pina coladas? :P
Troubleshooter125 - LMAO! That's the best laugh I've had all day! TY
French vanilla!
I think my favorite thing about this scene is that Quark knows exactly how to console Garak. He doesn't want sympathy, and pity would downright offend him, but as soon as he realizes Quark is sharing a clever insight that wry smile comes right out.
Quark really is a people person.
I was watching a Collider video and Adrew Robinson and Armin Shimmerman were talking about how they would practice scenes on their days off. They discovered the way to play this scene at one of these practice session. It wasn’t the intention of the writers or the director. It elevated the material they were given. It’s a perfect example of two dedicated and talented actors who took their jobs seriously.
Right?? If you look at just the script, it looks very funny and light-hearted. But in the hands of these two,c it adds a layer of depth that not even the director saw coming. I love it!
In the hands of a less talented set of actors this scene would've been exactly as written and the world would've been lesser in its absence... they are definitely world class master craftsmen
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I also like how it's a reversal of "The bartender hearing out the customer" trope.
I like this scene for the fun fact that the characters both realize that they're utterly screwed unless the Federation wins
Yup. Both of them are pariahs of sorts to their respective people, both forced to rely on the Federation, which wounds their pride deeply, yet they have no other choice. And ALL of that is beautifully portrayed here without a single word of dialogue directly saying so.
It's very clever, because it's all subtext. On paper they are just talking about a weird human drink, under the surface this is them subtly admitting that they need the Federation to win, despite neither officially having a dog in the fight.
Plus Quark at least, is admitting that he kind of likes the Federation now. He's not proud of it, but he does.
The funny thing is, every non-American I've met has had the same reaction to root beer.
That would be fitting as each race was a metaphor for modern countries with the US/north America as the federation
Tre B - I’m American and I find the stuff vile...
They make it too sweet nowadays... when I was a kid in the 80s it was still pretty good - Hires!
I am Canadian. If wasn't for the sugar, it is all I would drink.
The USA....it's insidious
This is really where DS9 shines, the characters and the acting. I love the smile Garak gives before he says just like the federation. Here he is, this dramatic tailor/spy who is always talking in riddles and such talking to a relatively straighforward businessman, realizing that he wasn't just fed a shit drink to try to sell it to him but rather to metaphorically describe Quark's feelings towards the Federation, which Garak may be sympathetic to and Garak's smile is like: Ah, i see what you did there. Well done.
1:48 My favorite DS9 scene, bar none. I love the way Quark says "I know..." in such a defeated tone; hating the wholesomeness and addictive nature. And how Garak smiles while declaring it "Insidious"; as he seems to appreciate how diabolical the concept is. Two aliens contemplating their resentful appreciation for human constructs and their loathing dependence on them. Soooo good.
Quark > What do you think?
Garak > It's vile.
Quark > I know. It's so bubbly and cloying and happy.
Garak > Just like the Federation.
Quark > But you know what's really frightening? If you drink enough of it, you begin to like it.
Garak > It's insidious.
Quark > Just like the Federation.
Quark's a salesman. He understands the power of a good sales pitch, and the Federation's "join in, and get to enjoy peace, self-determination and free trade" sales pitch really is insidiously irresistable. He might not like it, but he can respect it.
I wonder if Garak even considered the concept of lovebombing up to that point. Good PR and good deeds is what got the space commies such a diverse techbase. From 5 species to 500 in two centuries. Kindness and friendship can be a weapon too.
@@JoshSweetvale not exactly lovebombing if it lasts for 100s of years
Hahaha, “bar none”. What a wonderfully unintentional pun.
"Do you think they'll be able to save us?"
"I hope so."
...
"Any luck?"
"Nope!"
Hold on...
@@dbg5744 Hold on? HOLD ON TO WHAT!? TELL ME!
@@hudsonball4702 I think he was meaning to point out how the dialogue may have been written in a way to relate to the previous line but with completely different contexts. I personally enjoy this form of dialogue writing greatly. I can even give another example of it from Halo 2, off the top of my head.
I’m with @Hudson Ball on this one, what’d he say next ?!?!
@@grendelum "Hold on....Quark and Garak are drinking my root beer again" would've been a great outtake for any gag reels from this series :P
I love Garak's face when he says, "It's VILE!"
The first time he's ever told the truth!
@@DinsRune Nah, everything he says is true. Especially the lies.
"It's Insidious"
@@Archie2c "JUST like the Federation."
This is one of the funniest scenes in Trekdom, made poignant by their realization that for all their years of condescension towards the Federations' lofty goals, they slowly had come to find those principles appealing. :-D
That is what I was saying in another comment. As much as Quark and Garak don't want to like the United Federation of Planets, they are slowly won over by it because it is so good. It grows on you. It is insidious...just like the human drink root beer. :)
I don't know if I'd say 'appealing,' as much as, 'lesser of two evils' ;)
You know for years I assumed that they were talking about the federation saving them. But I've started to wonder from the way they talk, and the faraway look in Quark's eyes if maybe they aren't looking to be saved from the federation! The way they talk about it in this scene, their experiences. The federation is so happy and numbing in it's conformity. It is in it's own way, oppressive. Not something either of these unusual character wants. But here they are both trapped, slowly getting drawn into it, and drawn to the federation characters. One diverting misadventure to pass the time after another. And slowly, ever so slowly it too It's almost like they've got stockholm syndrome and while they act as if they don't, deep down they know it, and are unsure if they want it or could even live without it anymore.
Can't really say for certain either way. If it is saved by the federation, or from the federation. But it is a testament to the actors, and this scene that they're able to convey so much, and with such subtly and ambiguity. One of the many reasons DS9 is the greatest Star Trek for me, and has no challenger.
@@Ididntchoosethisname excellent analysis! wow...and I agree, it is that possible dual-meaning and ambiguity, that made DS9 so amazing, and full of rewatchability!
Also take note that Garak earlier jobs involving skullduggery, finding out that a happy smile can be as ruthless but has better pr than you own empire.
When I was younger I found DS9 a bit dry, but having grown up a bit I find it endless entertaining, not to mention funny.
Likewise, my friend.
How young are we talking about? I first saw it when I was 24 and I was just enamored.
DS9 was probably my favorite series of all, because it made all the different races more complex and a lot less one-dimensional.
ghenulo
Teenage years? I'm 27 as of this.
I liked it because Star Trek TOS was pitched as being "Wagon Train to the Stars". ("Wagon Train" was one of the most popular shows on NBC at the time Star Trek was being developed, and comparing his project to Wagon Train was the only way Roddenberry could get studio execs to wrap their heads around a science fiction series that wasn't designed for kids.)
Anyway, when ST:TNG came out, it was still like "Wagon Train to the Stars". Which made DS9 such a refreshing change: DS9 is a frontier town, filled with gamblers, hustlers, a saloon with "gentleman's entertainment" upstairs (the holosuites), a no-nonsense sheriff, and lots of people on their way from somewhere going someplace else. And there's Cisco in the role of the cavalry officer, trying to build a fort and defend the settlement and the townsfolk, hoping to keep the peace long enough for the territory to be accepted as a state. They even have the possibility of a railroad coming through town (the wormhole).
"I know precisely how you feel." A rare completely and openly honest line from Garak.
*That moment when you realize the Federation Empire is going for a Culture victory*
*MEANWHILE*
Terran Empire: "Go for a Conquest victory, they said. It will be FUN, they said."
Birth of the Federation reference. Wow.
This is always hilarious on Stellaris. You expect the Ravenous Hive/Determined Exterminator/Fanatic Purifier to win on conquest grounds but then that one little Federation in the corner that nobody's been paying attention to for the last hour suddenly balloons massively out of proportion and gets a victory for controlling most of the galaxy.
@@AlexQuill63 That's because the Federation is insidious!
lol
I'd love to see a conversation between Quark and Garak talking about how, soon, they'll all be listening to "rock music," and wearing "blue jeans," and Garak lamenting how difficult denim is to tailor.
And to think they almost cut this brilliant scene.
No way! Best dialogue in Star Trek ever!
Almost cut? My understanding was that the scene was added due to the episode having a short run time.
@@r0bw00d
They thought they were going to be short on time. Then they found out that they were actually going to go long and they wanted to cut the scene; but people fought to keep the scene. (Is my understanding)
@@frostmagemarii Not only that, but the episode director wanted to shot the scene as just a bit of comedy fluff, but Shimerman and Robinson knew what they had on their hands in this and played it completely straight instead.
they didn't i had to pay them 8 bars of latinum, but it was worth it cause i got another 30 from this scene
I love Andrew Robinson's cadence when he speaks. Bordering on compassionate, sarcastic, slightly sinister and friendly at the same time.
I always liked how the only context the audience would learn about Quarks cousin Gala was in terms of his insecurity over the fact he owned a moon.
Every time cousin Gala was mentioned it always was followed by "oh the one with the moon?"
Ya know, until he dragged Quark into the arms trade, and Quark's conscience caused him to ruin a deal and financially destroy his cousin
@@TheKyrix82 And then there was the time Quark roped him into a suicide mission against Iggy Pop. That episode was... magnificent.
I think Gaila was there when they saved Moogie.
@@TheSchaef47 Wait, that was Iggy Pop? What the fuck?
@@SonofSethoitae Yup :-)
The dialogue in some of these episodes is genius level.
Especially when helped along by genius acting.
This one scene probably sums up Star Trek more than most people are ready to expect. It's one of my favorites, really.
Mine too. And I don't understand why so many Trekkies don't get the point 😂
Garak was an incredible character. He had this chemistry with a lot of characters. Bashir, Odo, Sisko, Quark. These are four very different characters but there was some understanding there.
CrunkPartyBitches, Agree. I miss DS9
Garak and Sisko were legend in the episode In The Pale Moonlight.
In my opinion, Garak is the best character of the Star Trek universe. You never know what his next step will be, sometimes you like him the way he is, sometimes you just want to kill him. The creator is a genius indeed.
He was just a taylor
I love that Garak is always two steps ahead in any conversation but when Quark offers him root beer he's immediately caught off-guard
Just like the federation
This was really a phenomenally acted scene. I think one of Trek's best scenes, with nary a human in sight.
All the best actors in DS9 were the aliens… and O'Brien.
Garaks passive aggressiveness is so fun to watch x3
"Congratulations Captain! You wanted them angry...they're angry!" XD
I can see the attraction, for you
@@abanana5289 .......for you
The next line was going to be..
O'Brien: Hold on.. Someone's drinking my root beer!
+TheOtherGuys2 lol
+TheOtherGuys2 Maybe he would enjoy Pepsi better :)
+The Sisko Nah. That's cloying and bubbly and happy too.
Just like the Federation..
Insidious
"No-one ever went broke selling weapons."
"As long as there are two people on Earth, someone's gonna want somebody _dead."_
- Sniper, TF2
I think the UK's only major export is weapons and ammo. Mostly to the Arabs in the middle east(probably because of all the oil they are sitting on).
@@daviniarobbins9298 Yep, and we make some damn good (or evil) stuff, it's a pity they send our soldiers out to die with rifles that regularly jam and field radios that can be listened in on by the enemy.
@@edusmart1064 Inanimate objects can neither be good nor evil. Stop being daft.
@@Halesburg True. But the intent with which many things are made can be good or evil (or at least ill-intentioned), that's why cluster bombs, land mines, and war gases were invented, and then eventually banned because their effects were so appaling, especially to civilians after conflicts had ended. They weren't created to improve health and happiness in any measurable way.
Hard to believe the dude that plays "Garak" is the same guy that played the deranged lunatic in "Dirty Harry". Quite dynamic and respectable.
+Trevor Ketch What? That crazy dude is Garak??? *mind blown*
+Trevor Ketch en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Robinson_(actor)
Also in Hellraiser!
The actor that played Quark was Principal Snyder in Buffy.
Robinson got typecast because of that famous role and got real tired of it. He loved playing Garak because it was a very different and much more complex character.
Never underestimate the people in the background. Much like Garak who knows how to do mundane tasks like gardening and being a tailor, it's the background people who have almost unlimited access to everything. No one suspects the bartender, tailor, or even the janitor.
Then there's Morn...
"Do you know what the sad part is, Odo? I'm a very good tailor."
These were the actual ninja's in japan. the 'samurai's' gardeners, tailors, etc. One moment they're doing their job, the next they stab you in the back.
0:30 - "How thoughtless of me not to consider the effect the destruction of my homeworld would have on your business. These must be trying times for you. Be brave."
And Quark fails to even notice that savage jab at his utter self absorption because he's absorbed in his own envy and self pity, thus totally proving Garak's point.
Yessssss
@@IrishCarney No quark turns it around with a single root beer.
What does garak mean by "the destruction of my homeworld"?
@@IrishCarney Give our dear bartender more credit. After all, a good customer, and maybe even a friend, came in, frankly, in a horrible position. And by the end of it, he can smile again. Quark has no trouble playing the fool or the villain, just like Garak.
All hail Root Beer, endorsed by aliens as the greatest beverage in the galaxy!!
Worf likes Prune Juice.
xavierprotocols Well that proves that Klingons are savages because prune juice is literally the worst tasting beverage I have ever placed in my mouth.
@@Noplayster13 klingons have wierd taste. Maybe it has to do with the fact that they dont know what cooking is
Wrong! Its not as great as Slugo Cola, the slimmest cola in the galaxy
Nothing against bloodwine.
It's ironic because every Saturday when me and my dad sit down and watch DS9, we get root beer.
Yeah my dad got me in to Star Trek he’s a treky lol
I love Garak's expressions
+ladynottingham89 AFAIK, it wasn't easy for Andrew J. Robinson, because if he moved some of his face muscles too much, the makeup would become unstuck. And because he's claustrophobic, then he was afraid of the makeup at the beginning. It seems, that in time, he grew into it, after he saw another person from the mirror.
Mart Rootamm I didn't know Andrew Robinson was claustrophobic in real life (I'm rather new to Star Trek). It would be cool to transform physically to play a character. Perhaps it enables the actor to feel as if they embodied a different entity. He did an excellent job; Garak gave DS9 some "spice" for me.
+ladynottingham89 Visual transformation is one thing, but applying makeup takes hours, and call times were very early for those who had to have intricate makeup on. Armin Shimerman (Quark) had to be on site at around 04:30, and a typical workday was not short. And then it also took hours to remove all the prosthetics, the latex, and the glue. People playing humans, Bajorans, and even the Trill were luckier.
Jeri Ryan, who played 7 of 9 in _Voyager_, had "second, third, and fourth thoughts" during the borgified makeup process, when the character was introduced into the show.
I'm sure there were actors, who were also allergic to latex, glue, and some colours. AFAIK, in Farscape, which is another sci-fi show, the kidneys and health of Virginia Hey ("Zhaan") were adversely affected by blue makeup. The makeup business is hopefully safer because of this, but there was sacrifice.
It reminds me of how it was a big deal that, for Dark Knight, they had managed to get the process down to either 2 hours to put it on, or they made taking it off much simpler, but either way, when even that is the much shorter version, it shows the kind of dedication needed to tolerate such roles.
Mart Rootamm Brent Stait, who played Rev Bem in the TV show Andromeda, left after the first season because he was actually allergic to the prosthetics and had complained several times.
Suddenly this became relevant to current events. God speed to all of Eastern Europe.
Honestly, this is one of the most memorable conversations in all of DS9. Decades later, I still love it.
These two actors (Andrew Robinson as Garak, and Armin Shimerman as Quark) were the best of the series. Both characters were so deep, dark, and yet so entertaining. Cheers for the 90s!
They were among the best, but DS 9 had an embarrassment of great actors: Casey Biggs, Marc Alaimo, Jeffrey Combs, the often-overlooked Salome Jens.
I miss that show. It was so well-written.
"Any luck?"
"Not yet.. Hold on.."
*video ends*
O'BRIEN!! WHAT DID YOU DO?!
Am I the only one who thinks DS9 is the best of all the Star Trek's? I like how there are so many rich and diverse characters. I also really enjoy the series from about this episode on word when the Dominion War happened because for the first time in the history of Star Trek there were real stakes because the Federation was on the verge of collapse.
in the last few decades there has been a reveal across various platforms of a Galactic Map showing that the Federation wasnt monolithic, or even one contiguous area. THere were large gaps between some sections, but thanks to warp travel it didnt matter as much. It's one angle the Dominion used to devastating effect.
Garak's reaction to root beer is priceless...
wjmcd703 Just like the Federation.
If nothing else from DS9 sticks with me, this is enough. It's an incredible bit.
"here, try this alien beverage you know absolutely nothing about, what could possibly go wrong"
I mean, it's not like he would sell something that would kill a customer. One of the Rules of Acquisition is "You can't make a deal if you're dead."
And to a (former) spy no doubt.
The Klingon drink "Nek'Ti" will kill most non-Klingons as well as Klingons who drink it too quickly.
Garak master of sarcasm...
I think we have a full on GOD of sarcasm in Garak. Master doesn't seem high enough.
Any luck ending this clip at the appropriate point?
Not yet... hold on.
It is mildly annoying. Never a big Kira fan and seeing her after this genius just annoys me.
Holy fuck underrated comment of the year... 2 years running!!!
The writing was so deep at times! This was the reason DS9 was my favorite of the franchise.
They writing on this was simply intended to be a bit of fun to fill up time in an episode they thought was going to run short. The brilliance of the scene came directly from the actors who extrapolated a much deeper meaning and elevsted that bit of writing to one of the best scenes in DS9 (if not all of Star Trek).
Always been a star trek fan, but scenes like this are why I'll always be a niner. Love Garak, always was one of my fave characters as well as Bashir. God bless Andrew Robinson, what a wonderful actor.
I remind people that life isn't TV or movies, turning away doesn't silence your conversation for the room.
Everyone in the bar could hear them, as quiet as things were.
One of my favourite scenes in all of Star Trek. The dialogue works so well because it comes from the heart of the character and actually deals with the here and now reality they face.
There will never be anything this good again. This random scene alone tops all of the dialogue in any new "Star Trek" series.
This is why I love DS9, its a refreshing change of pace from any other trek show. Now we get to see things from an outsider perspective about humanity and its empire. The writing, acting, character development(especially all the minor characters) is brilliant.
DS9 was also a pioneer in terms of making the show a serial instead of episodic, which really allowed the writers to focus more on character development. IMO Sopranos, Walking Dead, Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, etc also use a similar format that DS9 helped pioneer.
I know 3 years and all, but what I love about DS9 is willing to point the Federation's flaws while never stooping so low as to attacking their ideals. The Federation are good people, but even good people are flawed.
One of the finest scenes, not just in DS9 but all of Trek. Such great non-verbals between these two fine actors.
This scene is brilliant in so many ways...Garak and Quark.
This scene is one of the best descriptions of and lessons on how to properly use propaganda. They never could have pulled this scene off the same with any other characters. One of the top 3 scenes in all of Star Trek.
I think this is a fantastic scene ... so well wriitten and acted.
This scene is wonderful (needless to say). But what I love more, is that finally...and I do mean FINALLY...DS9 is beginning to be appreciated for the brilliant show it always was.
I'll drink my cloyingly bubbly root beer to THAT!
Garak is, and will probably always be, my favorite DS9 character.
I never really got in to DS9 in the way I did with Voyager and TNG, but it's scenes like this that make me realise how great some of the actors were in DS9. The character building, demeanour and depth of some of them is just brilliant. Quark and Garak are a perfect example.
Haven't seen a good discussion like this in ST: Discovery yet.
@Yuki BabaYaga Or any other trek series for that matter. To be fair, alien to alien points of view about the federation are non-existent in trek.
you wont find one
nutrek doesn't do nuance.
My favorite moment between my two favorite characters.
this clip is what got me to start watching DS9. Growing up in the 90's these shows were always on, but I could never grasp the concept or feel comfortable in the world building. When I saw this clip, it summed up the vast universe and I could see the levels in both writing and range of acting in just these characters alone. This scene prepared me for the depth of drama that could be held in just one sci-fi series.
Shimmerman and Robinson can do a lot with so little...
This is absolutely one of my favorite scenes in DS9. It hits just right and at just the right time.
DS9 always had more unique and interesting characters than any of the other Trek shows in my opinion. That's why it was my favourite.
I'm a huge fan of TOS, and ds9 is indeed pretty good.
when you glance at a kanar bottle without properly looking it really does look like a bong
2:17 Garak's expression changing from confusion to a knowing smile is nothing short of perfect.
Quark is absolutely fabulous in this series.!!!!! 👏👏👏👍👍👌👌👌🏴🏴🏴🏴
I've watched DS9 three times so far, and will again many more. Every time, I appreciate Garak more and more. He's just so absolutely committed to every line of dialogue.
two viewers are bubbly and cloying.
Just like the Federation.
Insidious
rofl
And happy
I love that Garak instantly recognises what Quark is getting at.
Probably the best scene on the best show in Star Trek.
agreed!
Simply phenomenal scene.
Ahh, this series had the best writing and acting in all of Star Trek.
Perhaps the best scene ever
Personal interactions like these give the show depth and character.
Dont find that anymore with the new trek series. This was not forced. It was two great actors letting the lines and scene flow
This scene made me realize how little time of all these series was spent without humans, exploring the purely alien opinions of the Federation. A pity!
One of the best scenes in all of Trek, or even tv. Brilliant writing, performing, direction. A masterclass in storytelling.
what do you mean Barqs has bite?!
...Johnny?
it's insidious
just like the Federation
It's so bubbly and cloy, and happy.
Just like the Federation
The undertone here being "the Federation is a lot stronger, and has a lot more staying power, than its moralizing and restraint might make one think."
hagamapama Restraint?
This scene is incredible
Honestly one of my all time favourite star trek scenes ever done.
You know Quark has got something serious to say when he gives you something for FREE!
One of the most profound moments in Trek history.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience".
Someone's been reading C.S. Lewis.
Soooo... SJWs?
AnotherJohnDoe Do you actually have a thought? Or do you just slap on three letters every time you see “person I don’t like”?
@@pwnorbepwned Looks like I made one of them mad from a trivial comment. Oh well.
@@pwnorbepwned What would you call someone who wishes to have control over you because they think they know what's good for you better than you do? I'd call them a socialist personally, and since sjw-ism stems from post-modern theory, which itself is a subset of socialism where the practitioners believe that rather than the rich being the robber barons, the dominant racial, sexual, ethnic group are the robber barons, sjw's do fit the description.
We Hoo-mhans and our viles beverages! lol
And we force our women to wear CLOTHES! Barbaric!
I just love how Kanar constantly changes colour and viscosity throughout every season of DS9
I always figured "kanar" was a type of drink, like "beer", and the changes were different brands/styles.
The two best actors on the show
This is, in my humble opinion, the greatest scene in all of Star Trek.
One of my favorite scenes in the Star trek universe.
New trek tried to add more grayness to the federation. But this scene shows you what all they needed to do
And root beer is even better with a scoop of ice cream in it!
Q'apla!
And better still with TWO scoops!!!!!
Of French Vanilla!!!!
@@smc1942 mmmmm...😋😋😋😋😋😋😋😋😋😋😋
I never thought a talk over root beer could be so serious.
The Skill of Subtext is something that can make any innane conversation subject into a grand dialogue of universal importance.
It also helps to have a jackass and a smarmy fuck doing the speeches though.
I wish some Trekkie would create a playlist of the aliens trying human things.
This is the best representative of root beer I've ever watched
It is quite a sweet and bubbly and happy drink
You can see why Garak would dislike it
hmmm...maybe root beer is a patronus in potion form? :P
Garak was, and is one of my all time favorite Characters in any franchise. He was played to perfection and his stories were always great. This scene and the scene with Sisko after the killing of the Romulan Ambassador, framing the Dominion, thus pulling the Romulans into the war were absolutely perfect.
That was a great episode! I also liked the one where they were on the prison moon, & Garak was trying to rewire the transmitter while battling his claustrophobia. That was so well played!!!
Both of these are among my favorite episodes.
"In The Pale Moonlight".... so few people really clued into the origin of that title. Especially more recently born people (post 1980 or so). "Did you ever dance with the Devil **in the pale moonlight**??" Such a brilliant reference for Sisko's having to do exactly that, with Garak in the role of The Devil.
cloy. What a delightful word.
:3
This scene right here -- this is why DS9 is my favorite Trek and favorite TV show of all. Brilliant.
One of the best scenes in all of television. Two underrated actors giving us so many amazing subtlties.