4 Reasons Why The VR6 Engine Is Dying Off

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    Volkswagen's VR6 engine is seeing less implementation as the years go on. No longer used in the VW Golf, Jetta, Beetle, Corrado, Sharan, Phaeton, Eos, Audi A3, & Audi TT, and many others, it's kept alive in the VW brand by only the Touareg, Passat, and Atlas. What's the replacement? Mostly a 2.0L turbocharged inline four cylinder. Why? Well, there are a lot of benefits. In this video we'll discuss torque, power, weight, size, efficiency, consolidation, and the many advantages an inline-turbo four cylinder has to dethrone the eclectic VR6.
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  • @jeffbeasley8235
    @jeffbeasley8235 Před 7 lety +599

    This video should have been called "why medium displacement NA engines are being replaced by smaller displacement turbo-charged engines"

    • @frenchfri5106
      @frenchfri5106 Před 7 lety +8

      Jeff Beasley THIS lol

    • @badboyr66
      @badboyr66 Před 7 lety +4

      truth

    • @zOiNhUh
      @zOiNhUh Před 6 lety +6

      Indrid Cold just look at Toyota's careful approach to the downsizing trend. Well, even though in some countries there is that 4-cyl turbocharged 1.2L available for the Corolla/Auris and the C-HR, it's still a more cautious move compared to Ford's usage of the 1.0L EcoBoost in the Euro equivalent to the Fusion. Plus in Russia and other CIS countries the Lexus NX had been available with a naturally-aspirated 2.0L engine along the 2.0L turbocharged (which is actually a different engine and not just a turbocharged version of the previous) and the 2.5L naturally-aspirated fitted to the hybrid versions.

    • @Inpaintballwetrust
      @Inpaintballwetrust Před 6 lety +1

      Indrid Cold sounds like a subaru I might own🤔😅🤣

    • @AfterDark33
      @AfterDark33 Před 5 lety +7

      Indrid Cold that’s where your wrong. Small turbocharged engines have been popular in Europe for at least 15 years now. They don’t have many problems.

  • @ambushdrift
    @ambushdrift Před 7 lety +779

    The vr6 sounds soooo heavenly though....

    • @47shift71
      @47shift71 Před 7 lety +4

      AMBush Drift ayy its ambush

    • @HumbleMechanic
      @HumbleMechanic Před 7 lety +23

      I am right there with ya.

    • @Mk6gti_flores
      @Mk6gti_flores Před 7 lety +1

      ayyyeeee AMBush drift! love your channel bro

    • @Michael0697
      @Michael0697 Před 7 lety +9

      Yeah there's two things that kill sound, turbochargers, and Inline-Four.

    • @KasamS
      @KasamS Před 7 lety +1

      alan!!!

  • @HumbleMechanic
    @HumbleMechanic Před 7 lety +701

    From a dude that loves the VR6, the new engines are so awesome.
    Thanks for hanging Jason. Always fun times

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  Před 7 lety +48

      Love working with ya Charles. Mostly it's the wicked beard, but you also have sweet props! ;)

    • @HumbleMechanic
      @HumbleMechanic Před 7 lety +15

      Engineering Explained alls the props

    • @danielnewby2255
      @danielnewby2255 Před 7 lety +3

      I really liked this video and format, with someone who is really into a particular brand or technology talking about its features. I'd like to see more like it... @HumbleMechanic this vid would have been good without you... it was awesome with you, thanks for the time you put into making it happen.
      Any possibility we can get a vid on what the engineering differences in the block are for a naturally aspirated engine vs. one designed for a turbo or supercharger?

    • @stoneeh
      @stoneeh Před 7 lety +23

      I own a 2,9l VR6 with 190hp in the VW Corrado. For comparison I can cite the 1,4l 160 TSI in the Scirocco, and the 2,0 TSI 200hp in the Audi TT.
      Both newer engines seem strong at first because of the low down torque/power, but when you rev them you are quickly disappointed, because they drop off already at 5500 rpm.
      Next is the response. The VR6 kicks the newer engines' ass in that regard. I personally can't stand turbo lag.. totally unacceptable, controlling power during cornering and coming out of the corner is much harder.
      Next is the sound.. okay, we don't even have to talk about that, do we? ;)
      Nope, the new engines are not awesome. What would be awesome if VW used modern technology to tune the VR6 design for higher revs and higher power - I wouldn't mind buying a 2017 Corrado with a light 2,5l VR6 up front with a 120hp/l output, proper light weight design, proper suspension and diff, sticky tires etc that I could go hunt 911s with ;)

    • @Tigerfire75
      @Tigerfire75 Před 7 lety +11

      Why do we keep talking about fuel economy numbers that we get from the EPA? Their measuring does not accurately tell the fuel economy. You can't actually drive as the test is and hope to get the numbers.
      So when is the EPA going to get fined and ruined for lying? VW did even though they were giving people want they want ( powerful cars and trucks that are economical).

  • @petea7323
    @petea7323 Před 7 lety +93

    In the U.K. and Europe, nearly all engines are 4cyl turbos. They are the beige of the engine world. It's nice to hear and feel a different kind of power plant.

    • @Ritalie
      @Ritalie Před 5 lety +2

      America got the 8 valve 4 cylinder engines with 88 horsepower, and a top speed of 100 mph in most of their small cars for many years. Only recently in the last 10 years have there been a lot of good 4 cylinder cars with turbochargers from the factory in America. Nobody ever wanted an 8 valve low revving 105 hp 4 cylinder engine in a Celica or a 12 valve 92 hp engine in a Tercel, but that's what American's got in the 1980's and 1990's. Just God awful truck engines in small cars with very poor handling. Oh and our trucks had 3 speed transmissions until the late 1980's, so for 50 years we had trucks that turned 3500 RPMS @ 60 MPH with a giant V8 engine sucking gallons of fuel per second.

    • @xavierrodriguez2463
      @xavierrodriguez2463 Před 4 lety +1

      @@Ritalie 2 valve and 3 valve
      You're not supposed to combine the number of valves into a total.

    • @torpemonguz
      @torpemonguz Před 3 lety +1

      Nowadays 3 cylinder turbos.. agghhh.. 😀

    • @EmyrDerfel
      @EmyrDerfel Před 3 lety +1

      @@xavierrodriguez2463 Only counting a single cylinder's valves is an American thing.

    • @benasmus4676
      @benasmus4676 Před 9 měsíci

      @@EmyrDerfel I was confused about this lmao. Never heard someone count by cylinder until now.

  • @DOCPSYCHOsince1968
    @DOCPSYCHOsince1968 Před 7 lety +512

    Then put forced induction on the VR6. Then do a comparison, forced induction will always look better that a natural aspirated power plant.

    • @HumbleMechanic
      @HumbleMechanic Před 7 lety +23

      Bri Guy's Utoob :)

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  Před 7 lety +55

      Yep but then it's even more space and even more weight. There are real benefits to an NA engine which VW probably likes about the VR6, but from an economy/torque perspective, the case really isn't there vs a turbo 4.

    • @computiNATEor
      @computiNATEor Před 7 lety +6

      +HumbleMechanic hint hint, eh?

    • @randomkoreanguy
      @randomkoreanguy Před 7 lety +7

      I heard there's supposedly a forced induction VR6 in development. My memory is a bit fuzzy, but I think they even had it on a concept car recently. 3 litre, I think? Smaller displacement for both better economy and space for the turbo, I'm guessing. I haven't heard anything recently though. I figured they'd release it with the Atlas, but I guess it's still being developed?

    • @Frocobo
      @Frocobo Před 7 lety +4

      A company called TRD in the UK does a bolt on supercharger for the R32. It's a really neat unit with an inclusive lubrication that basically goes where the current air box is situated.

  • @ShockTech326
    @ShockTech326 Před 7 lety +221

    I owned a 3.2L VR6 for 10 years. Not the fastest or lightest or best MPG, but damn it sounded good (with an exhaust) and never gave me any problems.

    • @HumbleMechanic
      @HumbleMechanic Před 7 lety +31

      Ryan Fagan Wookie noises!!!

    • @wottevva
      @wottevva Před 7 lety

      i was a tool and deleted the resonator mid box, and the Wookie died...shame on me.

    • @kottyking
      @kottyking Před 7 lety +2

      Ryan Fagan I still love that sound every time I drive

    • @arttafil6792
      @arttafil6792 Před 4 lety

      Ryan Fagan, the key note. It never gave me any problems!

    • @pandoraprometeo3634
      @pandoraprometeo3634 Před 4 lety

      R32 is the most cutest sound ever💓💓💓

  • @roc523
    @roc523 Před 7 lety +226

    What if - VR6 Turbo... For the next R

    • @Zero_Ninety
      @Zero_Ninety Před 7 lety +22

      We can dream..

    • @sebastianparedes3236
      @sebastianparedes3236 Před 7 lety

      Rokas Bilevičius OMGGGGGG

    • @OwenHeh
      @OwenHeh Před 7 lety +1

      I wish, but I dont think they will stray from the i4 in a R for a while

    • @maveric0738
      @maveric0738 Před 7 lety +1

      Rokas Bilevičius
      I wish they would. VR6 has been around for roughly 25 years now. VW better not Discontinue this tried and true motor.

    • @roc523
      @roc523 Před 7 lety

      Concept is a concept, doubt that they will start putting 6cyl engines again. Even Porsche went to 4 cylinders

  • @seanm7349
    @seanm7349 Před 7 lety +10

    Still have a 1992 Corrado SLC from the first shipment off the boat from Germany. No rpm limiter. 6500 red line. It was just fully restored and only has 56k miles. Still pulls like a champ.

  • @davidperry4013
    @davidperry4013 Před 7 lety +72

    The VR6 is an awesome engine.
    12 valve 2.8L VR6 + Turbocharging and forged internals = FUN!

    • @GatisGirdenis
      @GatisGirdenis Před 7 lety +24

      24 valve is better though

    • @stoneeh
      @stoneeh Před 7 lety +2

      I actually prefer the 2V version. And why would you ever put a super/turbocharger on a FWD VW? It can barely handle the output of a stock NA engine.

    • @fukkinkana
      @fukkinkana Před 7 lety +12

      stoneeh What? If you're having trouble putting the power down an a stock gti you should find a new hobby.

    • @fukkinkana
      @fukkinkana Před 7 lety +4

      David Perry If you have the funds and want to build a 700hp+ vr6 is the way to go. Had a 400hp vr6 with stock pistons and melted it. Changed to forged pistons stock crank and rods. Then changed to turbo instead of nitrous lot's of power. But if you're not planning on building a car with more than 300hp the 1.8t would be better.

    • @JoshMustillo
      @JoshMustillo Před 7 lety +3

      With the 12V they are forged from factory, people have made up to 700HP from stock internals...

  • @AaronAnonymous
    @AaronAnonymous Před 7 lety +51

    For me the VR6 feels alive and characterful. Whereas the 2.0 just feels like any other standard engine, even though, as you pointed out, it is objectively better.

    • @sebastianparedes3236
      @sebastianparedes3236 Před 7 lety +1

      AaronAnonymous yes exactly

    • @Irishluckily
      @Irishluckily Před 7 lety +1

      AaronAnonymous how so, the new ea888 is punchy as hell.

    • @CoolHwip092
      @CoolHwip092 Před 7 lety

      As an mk7 gti owner I can tell you the engine feels very alive. Especially after a stage 1 tune.

    • @AaronAnonymous
      @AaronAnonymous Před 7 lety +1

      That's why I said "objectively" the newer engine is better, i.e. more fuel efficient, faster, etc, yet it feel like an appliance compared to the living, breathing thing that is the VR6. Sure you can tune them and they are very very fast, yet it doesn't evoke the same emotional response. At least in my case. And I'm not just saying this, in my actual experience from owning a MKIV R32 and now a MK7, the R32 always made me smile and felt special even when going slow (which it was always slow lol).

    • @CoolHwip092
      @CoolHwip092 Před 7 lety

      Lol well I have never experienced the VR6 so I can't really compare, but I love my MK7 GTI. It never fails to put a smile on my face whether I'm on my morning commute to work or just cruising around.

  • @DigitalJeremy
    @DigitalJeremy Před 7 lety +8

    Great collaboration!! Love your work, together and independently - thanks for doing what you do

  • @taforth
    @taforth Před 7 lety +8

    Glad to see you profile this unique engine. My '94 Corrado VR6, which I owned from new for 12 wonderful years, was arguably the best application of this engine. It had a wonderful power delivery and an even better sound, and to think that Ferdinand Piëch wanted to kill it when he became CEO of the VW group, since it was a direct internal competitor to the same displacement V6 that he oversaw while at audi. Ironically, he captilized on this very same architecture for a number of subsequent engines, the crown prince being the Bugatti Veyron/Chiron!

  • @rarbiart
    @rarbiart Před 7 lety +6

    I like this dialogue format. Keep up this great work!

  • @tscooter22
    @tscooter22 Před 7 lety +4

    I had a new'95 Jetta VR6 back in the day. I'm a car geek, but never actually realized until recently that the VR6 only has one head. They cover engines up with so much plastic you can't see a darn thing unless you dig into them. Yes, that is REALLY narrow! Cool design.

  • @denis_vr6
    @denis_vr6 Před 7 lety +718

    vr6 sound

    • @dayneellison3533
      @dayneellison3533 Před 7 lety +1

      yup

    • @carsaregood911
      @carsaregood911 Před 7 lety +2

      Are you saying another reason it's dying off is because of the sound? or...

    • @EddieCdeejay
      @EddieCdeejay Před 7 lety +15

      My 94 SLC VR6.....lost it to a head on collision 17years ago.. Still think about that sound and car itself till this day.

    • @IspiraGaming
      @IspiraGaming Před 7 lety +12

      He's saying it sounds good.

    • @joepetro9462
      @joepetro9462 Před 7 lety +7

      screaming wookie!

  • @azules9780
    @azules9780 Před 7 lety

    I really enjoy watching the two of you talk about things. Y'all come from two different perspectives that blend very well together.

  • @Stevieboy130664
    @Stevieboy130664 Před 7 lety +3

    I have a VR5 engine in my 2003 SEAT V5. In some ways a VR6 engine with a cylinder lopped off. Two notable characteristics - sounds lovely AND seems to have a very consistent level of torque. Pulls strongly from way down. Will pull happily in 5th gear at 30mph. But nice to rev too - lovely sophisticated sound.

  • @rvborgh
    @rvborgh Před 6 lety +7

    i just pulled my '98 Mk3 Jetta VR6 out of storage today (hadn't driven it since 2013, only has 100k miles).... and oh my... the thing sounds so heavenly. its hard to imagine any cars that sound better than a 12v VR6. Buttery smooth as well.
    Pity that alot of new VW folks won't get to experience it.

    • @tonyp156
      @tonyp156 Před 6 lety +1

      rvborgh very true I have a 98 VR6 Jetta GLX with a S- trim supercharger at 8psi with some other goodies that allow me to do 11.8 to 12.0 in a quarter mile
      I love my power wagon

    • @ironbloodedmyth1204
      @ironbloodedmyth1204 Před 5 lety

      I have a Mk4 24v VR6 but im tempted to buy a Mk3 Jetta VR6 maybe next year.

  • @MattGreenland
    @MattGreenland Před 7 lety +51

    I wish there was a company that would blueprint this engine. Cut a bunch of weight, make it more efficient in power.

    • @DrewLSsix
      @DrewLSsix Před 7 lety +3

      Matt Greenland do you know any VR6 owners that would pay several grand for the privilege?

    • @MattGreenland
      @MattGreenland Před 7 lety +20

      For sure, VW people are nutty.

    • @AirsoftNoble6
      @AirsoftNoble6 Před 7 lety +8

      DrewLSsix I would, eyes closed

    • @RedVenomProductions
      @RedVenomProductions Před 6 lety +1

      I have a vr6

    • @shabutir1820
      @shabutir1820 Před 6 lety

      Why? Theres better engine designs out there....

  • @rippsteakface
    @rippsteakface Před 7 lety +1

    This is a great video, I love the back and forth discussion and I feel like you both respect each other's opinions.

  • @Olemrac11
    @Olemrac11 Před 7 lety +15

    "when I was a real engineer before I started doodling on white boards--" I love it lol

  • @nachoizuel779
    @nachoizuel779 Před 7 lety +149

    my dad owns a 2000' vr6 4wd golf, would never change it :)

    • @bangotesla6796
      @bangotesla6796 Před 7 lety

      so....an r32?

    • @nachoizuel779
      @nachoizuel779 Před 7 lety +3

      Andrew Testa nope, its the 2.8L

    • @techn9ne30
      @techn9ne30 Před 7 lety

      madremia willy nice I'd like that

    • @OwenHeh
      @OwenHeh Před 7 lety +8

      there has never been a 4wd golf. the r32 is awd. Gti vr6 is fwd

    • @MrCdnAudiophile
      @MrCdnAudiophile Před 7 lety +6

      OuTDARed, No actually in Europe you could get 4 motion with the 2.8. I used to think the same but I was wrong. The problem is though that its not tuned for performance and usually the suspension is softer on the 4 motions so it's not worth it most of the time.

  • @mardamek
    @mardamek Před 7 lety +2

    Having heard and accepted all of their points towards the benefits of switching to 4-cylinders, I still have to say that pretty much the only advantage I saw for a 4-cylinder is the weight reduction on the front axle. The power delivery and fuel economy points are not as important, because these guys forgot to discuss the reliability concerns that a (relatively) more stressed smaller engine entails.

  • @johnmcdonough955
    @johnmcdonough955 Před 7 lety

    Always loved both of you guys - keep up the excellent work.

  • @hendrikhanso
    @hendrikhanso Před 5 lety +18

    The vr6 is not dying. Vw are coming up with 2.5L vr6 turbo engines

    • @angelicolagi
      @angelicolagi Před 5 lety

      Don't you mean inline 5?

    • @hendrikhanso
      @hendrikhanso Před 5 lety

      @@angelicolagi nope. They have both but i read some news on the coming 2.5L vr6. Im sure if you google it you will find it.

    • @burningblackknight8237
      @burningblackknight8237 Před 4 lety

      @@hendrikhanso makes no sense to me i have a 2.5L vr6 in a 06 jetta (mk4)

    • @hendrikhanso
      @hendrikhanso Před 4 lety +1

      @@burningblackknight8237 no you dont. The only 2.5L vr is a vr5

    • @burningblackknight8237
      @burningblackknight8237 Před 4 lety

      @@hendrikhanso allright ima go check rn then i think it might be a 2.0L then cause i know its a vr6

  • @bryanlee7739
    @bryanlee7739 Před 7 lety +16

    Vr6 will never die you ego trippin for that one fam.

  • @x-man4702
    @x-man4702 Před 7 lety

    Great video guys!! I subscribe to both channels and enjoy them very much. Keep up the good work!

  • @JulioHernandez-bh9gk
    @JulioHernandez-bh9gk Před 4 lety

    Great video. Good combination of instructors, could not be a better combo. Good job guys.😃

  • @thebear6529
    @thebear6529 Před 7 lety +26

    Vr6 is an incredible engine.

  • @michaelrivera7542
    @michaelrivera7542 Před 5 lety +22

    I love my 3.6L VR6 CC it's rare.. I'm always standing out with all the 2.0T CC's

    • @Rangvald8909
      @Rangvald8909 Před 5 lety

      Yeah I drove a 3.6 passat for 6 years and loved it but the car was falling apart and I had to get rid of it

    • @chris425amp7
      @chris425amp7 Před 4 lety

      CC are nice motor's. I prefer them over a Passat.

    • @davidm.1934
      @davidm.1934 Před 4 lety +1

      Dude that’s my fav VW!! I’m saving for a 2016 CC VR6 currently! Those are super rare & nice! It’ll be my fourth VW

  • @aaronpeople101
    @aaronpeople101 Před 7 lety

    You two have great content haha keep it coming, everybody loves the VR6 stuff

  • @jackdambrosio3417
    @jackdambrosio3417 Před 7 lety

    Great videos, really like the video quality.👌

  • @65bug519
    @65bug519 Před 7 lety +69

    nothing sounds like a vr6 with open exhaust

  • @MaximillionBucks
    @MaximillionBucks Před 7 lety +3

    I feel that this also applies to v6s in general. Many manufacturers are ditching their v6s in favor of a I4 Turbo. It's sad to watch, yet there are many good reason to make the switch.

  • @jimjam6653
    @jimjam6653 Před 7 lety

    I love those kind of videos cant wait to see more of those. Thumbs up!

    • @HumbleMechanic
      @HumbleMechanic Před 7 lety

      Jim Jam thanks. We have a few more coming soon. :)

  • @jhelwig19781
    @jhelwig19781 Před 7 lety

    Great video guys!

  • @jamesmancuso3666
    @jamesmancuso3666 Před 3 lety +3

    The VR6 can perform just as well as the turbo 4 with changes to design of cam, intake, exhaust, cam, and ECU tune. The gti vr6 was designed for higher rpm performance to give a more exciting driving experience.
    Personally I think the VR6 and W8-16 is a better way to get more displacement and cylinders in a smaller space. Not to mention you have less complicated system over turbo/supercharging and less stress on the engine.

  • @eliasgordon4321
    @eliasgordon4321 Před 7 lety +5

    What I heard is that the only problem with the VR6 is more of them aren't turbocharged from the factory.

  • @evofit85
    @evofit85 Před 7 lety

    Dude....love your channel its nerdtastic!!!

  • @f3rrrbdn79
    @f3rrrbdn79 Před 7 lety +2

    Great combination between u 2👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

  • @beautyjuicynayx06
    @beautyjuicynayx06 Před 6 lety +3

    I love the vr6 engines! They sound really good with a borla muffler! I had a good experience driving my cousins supercharged and nitrous vr6 corrado with a stock motor. But I love the old 16v engines vw used to make too!

  • @worldlinerai
    @worldlinerai Před 7 lety +3

    The first two reasons you mentioned applies to pretty much all naturally aspirated engines. More torque at low RPMs always helps since it reduces the amount of revving you need to do to accelerate and maintain speed.
    Since tuning was brought up in the video, I wonder if car engines will follow the way of large commercial jet engines in the future. Jet engines are always produced with many ratings. To increase thrust, you just switch the rating plug to a plug with higher performance numbers.

  • @wallyinparadise6519
    @wallyinparadise6519 Před 7 lety

    As always Jason you´re videos are extremely informative, very good indeed. Best Regards from Europe.

  • @justdad3722
    @justdad3722 Před 7 lety +1

    2.0t is very efficient but that plastic intake manifold drove me nuts! You could never beat the reliability of a VR6 though. Dare I say it... that VR6 exhaust note FTW!

  • @ReillyGrandmaison
    @ReillyGrandmaison Před 7 lety +12

    I love my 12v VR6. The pops, gurgles, torque, feels. VW love/powa

    • @ragimundvonwallat8961
      @ragimundvonwallat8961 Před 7 lety +1

      powa? LOL it can barely spin on loose gravel

    • @ReillyGrandmaison
      @ReillyGrandmaison Před 7 lety

      LOL okay man no need for the ignorant comment

    • @ragimundvonwallat8961
      @ragimundvonwallat8961 Před 7 lety +1

      yeah exactly refrain from commenting next time. happy you got it by yourself, have an excellent day

    • @ReillyGrandmaison
      @ReillyGrandmaison Před 7 lety +2

      wow the internet must really have you in a bind today. what do you drive again?

    • @jeremywhittler8591
      @jeremywhittler8591 Před 6 lety

      You haven't driven a vr. They spin through second. Turbo 1-5. Honda drivers.....

  • @tonyoliver2330
    @tonyoliver2330 Před 7 lety +3

    nice vid like always! can you do one commenting on all the manufacturers using smaller engines? I know this is a trend dating to the muscle car era (V8 to V6, V6 to 4 cylinder in top level trims) is this good or bad having so much power in fewer cylinder smaller displacement engines?

  • @itstrenttv
    @itstrenttv Před 7 lety

    this has to be my favorite episode e/e and charles talking about vr6s

  • @Gambantein
    @Gambantein Před 5 lety

    I have had 4 VW Golf (VR6, VR6 syncro and 2 x V6 4M) with that engine and they were a riot! Wonderful sound. Good pull and very fun drive. Great engines!

  • @chrisbennett55
    @chrisbennett55 Před 7 lety +5

    I have a 2000 eurovan MV with a vr6 that only has 90,000 miles and love it. It gets 22 mpg on the highway.

    • @hamyncheese
      @hamyncheese Před 4 lety

      2002 Eurovan with 240,000 miles, transmission is about to fall out. I'm considering a 2006 Touareg with 3.2L VR6. The V8 and 3.0L TDI options are much more torque for towing 7700 lbs, but they can't match my satisfaction with the VR6 reliabilty.

  • @csabamolnar5803
    @csabamolnar5803 Před 7 lety +6

    As soon as he said he loves the MKIV R32 I subscribed to Humble Mechanic

    • @HumbleMechanic
      @HumbleMechanic Před 7 lety +2

      Csaba Molnar thank you!

    • @csabamolnar5803
      @csabamolnar5803 Před 7 lety

      HumbleMechanic no, thank you for knowing an amazing vehicle when you see one!

    • @davidc-l9174
      @davidc-l9174 Před 7 lety

      Csaba Molnar Here here! Subscribed!!

  • @rickreid81
    @rickreid81 Před 7 lety

    Great video. I have to say my heart will always be with the VR6! My wife says the same! She has a 02 Jetta VR6. Loves it! Its awesome!

  • @michaelr4063
    @michaelr4063 Před 7 lety

    Both of you guys do a great job.

  • @daniels7862
    @daniels7862 Před 4 lety +15

    Imagine if vw came out with a W12 atlas!! 🤤

    • @whizzo94
      @whizzo94 Před 4 lety +3

      Hasn't the Bentley got a W12 engine, which I think is 2 VR6 engines glued together?

  • @Tuanigamanepola
    @Tuanigamanepola Před 7 lety +6

    I've come across quite a few mk4 diesels, not completely dead. They're surprisingly desirable to be quite honest, my mk4 Jetta is. 1.8turbo and I'd much rather have a diesel.

    • @rickdick2683
      @rickdick2683 Před 5 lety

      Peepmysneaks ALH tdi is king. I popped my head gasket in my ‘01 a couple years ago at 300k and drove it for another 75k. Ran perfectly. Original clutch. 45-50mpg. If only I had enough coin at the time I’d have done the head and it would be pushing 400k rn. Currently driving a ‘96 1z tdi passat wagon and I’m very happy with it. Hopefully ill source an engine for the golf and get it back on the roads soon though.

  • @7viewerlogic670
    @7viewerlogic670 Před 7 lety

    Great vid!

  • @gabrieljones9084
    @gabrieljones9084 Před 7 lety +1

    Love to see an engineer and a mechanic in the same video!

  • @arttafil6792
    @arttafil6792 Před 4 lety +9

    When you turbocharge an engine it has a shorter service life. I’d take a VR6 any day over a turbo 4.

    • @gulfy09
      @gulfy09 Před 3 lety +2

      Of course i agree who needs more power for f sakes top hiway speed is 100km.i own a 91 passat with a 1.9l td 80hp. Its good enough for me.

    • @arttafil6792
      @arttafil6792 Před 3 lety

      gulfy09, I agree completely. Even an MGB GT “needs” no more than 200bhp. Hang either an 5 or 6 speed gearbox behind the engine with a modified Jaguar IRS and you have a world class coupe! A twin cam engine with 2 liters displacement and 2 Webber 40 IDA’s and it’d be perfection.

    • @Psiberzerker
      @Psiberzerker Před 3 lety

      I love a straight six (Or slant six) and I have to admit, a lot of that has to do with the way they sound. The VR6 is kind of a next best thing, but it's personal preference. I haven't tried the new turbo engines, because I hate how big and heavy the Golf has become.

    • @crooke80
      @crooke80 Před 2 lety

      I have customers with 430 thousand miles on the pd engines, 20v T at 330, look after any engine it will look after you

  • @BabaWubba
    @BabaWubba Před 7 lety +8

    "When I used to be a real engineer before just doodling on whiteboard" That's when the humble mechanic new that they could no longer be friends.
    On a serious note, great video and great topic. We might grab the VR6 Atlas and I'll definitely tune and turbo it if the room allows.

    • @HumbleMechanic
      @HumbleMechanic Před 7 lety +1

      Bambataa thanks. It has plenty of turbo room. It was clearly designed with a TDI option in mind

    • @BabaWubba
      @BabaWubba Před 7 lety

      You are welcome. I wish they never killed the TDI here in North America. We are taking our 2014 Jetta TDI for a buyback and I can't find any 2015 TDIs, but we need a bigger vehicle and the Atlas with the VR6 is top of the list.

  • @DENicholsAutoBravado
    @DENicholsAutoBravado Před 7 lety

    I like both of you guys. And together? You're really fun!

  • @DyudyukVitaliy
    @DyudyukVitaliy Před 5 lety

    Tell me, is it possible to make diesel VR6 from this cylinder block?

  • @dubbleA100
    @dubbleA100 Před 7 lety +160

    Just turbo a VR6 🙂

    • @lewiscannon8213
      @lewiscannon8213 Před 6 lety

      Alvin Ameyaw At HUGE cost.

    • @GrandMoffSilvey
      @GrandMoffSilvey Před 6 lety +4

      And, it would go in a what? Truck or Van from VW would be diesel. So, that leaves sports cars ...... the engine rev potential? Weight of block? How much torque/hp until the block or other components breaks? Does it retain drivable characteristics? Then, fuel economy. I will bet you Audi/VW investigated this and decided it was easier to start over and too few would get excited enough about this engine in a car. I mean it would be replacing a V8 (V8 > VR6 for sound). But, these guys are forgetting something. The W12 engines are almost two of these smashed together (piston layout wise).

    • @adinchina1
      @adinchina1 Před 6 lety +2

      the ATLAS in china is called TERAMONT and comes with turbocharged VR6 2.5L 299BHP

    • @samuelmoore8745
      @samuelmoore8745 Před 6 lety

      The ford ecoboost f-150 has a twin turbo V6. The raptor uses the same engine.

    • @lucianduvall5334
      @lucianduvall5334 Před 6 lety +6

      It's really not that expensive to boost a VR and have both reliability and power on stock internals. Split head gasket, copper spacer , bearings, good turbine , the right pipes lines and tune and you're not gonna exceed 2500 to 3 k for the total cost if you do it yourself and know how to do it right

  • @soundseeker63
    @soundseeker63 Před 7 lety +6

    Wow America still gets the VR6 in 2017!? The last time we were offered it in the UK was around 2009/10!!
    I can see why VW wants to unify everything down to the bare minimum. So why aren't VAG cars cheaper than all their competitors that don't benefit from the same economies of scale as VAG?

  • @fartman10284
    @fartman10284 Před 5 lety +2

    VW designed a new VR6 for the Chinese Teramont, which is a 2.5 VR6 with a turbocharger.

  • @johnmoser2689
    @johnmoser2689 Před 4 lety +1

    I like you guys working together... nice explanation Jason as always...I wish you would discuss the VW TDI pros and cons and compare between the emissions of the 2.0 TDI and other gas and diesels on the road
    You hear how hard VW got hit but no one ever discusses the Cruze turbo diesel or how much a pickup with a turbo diesel produces

  • @reef6076
    @reef6076 Před 5 lety +4

    Reason to buy VR6 is a freaking sound and unique design

  • @irgendwieanders1
    @irgendwieanders1 Před 7 lety +4

    I love the VW - bashing, when Coalrolling is considered something like a sport in the USA.

  • @grainglass4880
    @grainglass4880 Před 6 lety

    Loving the Pennzoil hat! Pure Plus For Life!

  • @jackbn9353
    @jackbn9353 Před 5 lety +1

    Most drivers do not understand that a turbo increases stress in the engine. This means shorter lifetime.
    Moreover a turbo is another thing to repair or replace.
    Modern 6- and 8-cylinder engines commonly use cylinder deactivation when full power is not needed.
    When cylinders are deactivated, the engine has effectively a smaller displacement.

    • @davechurch1661
      @davechurch1661 Před 5 lety

      yep make the consumer pay for the environment while the companies just make more profit.

  • @wallyinparadise6519
    @wallyinparadise6519 Před 7 lety +3

    When are we going to see you on Top Gear?

  • @taha112498
    @taha112498 Před 7 lety +3

    1:03 I was wondering where the whiteboard was gone. Answered

  • @Jbodws
    @Jbodws Před 7 lety +1

    i have owned a 2000 gti with the 12v vr and 5 speed and then i had an 03 gli with the 24v vr6 and a 6 speed and i loved them both. absolutely loved both cars. now i own a 2014 gli 2.0t and that engine is a whole nother ball game from the mk4s vr

  • @NyteMunkey
    @NyteMunkey Před 7 lety +1

    Good video. You 2 make a good team.

  • @theguildwars2fanatic
    @theguildwars2fanatic Před 7 lety +20

    and my dumbass is over here building a turbo'd vr6 lolol

    • @theguildwars2fanatic
      @theguildwars2fanatic Před 7 lety +1

      im build a 01 vr6 as well.
      built block; IE connecting rods, JE pistons 9:1, bored to a 2.9L.
      built transmission. with a Wavetrac LSD
      Links Standalone
      currently cheaped out on my turbo kit and went ebay. im going to be upgrading the manifold and turbo in a few months with a tubular top mount manifold and a 6766 precision turbo.
      my goal is to hit 600+ with the precision, anything above 350 on the ebay i'll be happy.

    • @theguildwars2fanatic
      @theguildwars2fanatic Před 7 lety +4

      yessir ! 2001 12v vr6 golf gti... i love it! actually getting everything installed next weekend. should be a blast!

    • @spawnandbatman6975
      @spawnandbatman6975 Před 7 lety +1

      Andd very nice man unfortunately I love in California​ and the smog is ridiculous. I wish I could turbo charge and build my car but it's alright. I want to get a r32. the older r32 like the 05 and such are beautiful but I do like the 3.6l r32. I forgot what year. but that's my dream car man

    • @theguildwars2fanatic
      @theguildwars2fanatic Před 7 lety

      Spawn and Batman with the amount of money I've put into my vr6, I could have had an R32 and put some basic mods on it haha. But that's okay, it'll be a blast beating people in a fwd golf :)

    • @jamest.5001
      @jamest.5001 Před 7 lety

      Andd
      how much boost can a vr handle? and how much power you expecting?

  • @xNachoPandaXx
    @xNachoPandaXx Před 7 lety +10

    I need to swap this in my TT (;

    • @fukkinkana
      @fukkinkana Před 7 lety +1

      Gabriel1996 Didn't some tt come with a 3.2 vr6? or was it just a 3.2 v6.

    • @xNachoPandaXx
      @xNachoPandaXx Před 7 lety +1

      Elijah Chu yup they did but they're really to come by nowadays. They are Pretty rare actually lol

  • @eatthisvr6
    @eatthisvr6 Před 7 lety +1

    I love the vr6 motor, very smooth sound awesome and they're strong as hell so they love boost too

  • @MartinElmo
    @MartinElmo Před 7 lety

    Sorry but i skipped the commercial before this video. I normally always watch the commercials to support your channel but this time it was 29 min!!!
    When the commercial is longer than the video it's too much.
    But I enjoyed the video though. I personally love the VR6. Just the sound it makes can bring a smile on my face.

  • @sylak2112
    @sylak2112 Před 7 lety +4

    Saving space give engineers flexibility, but does it give them reach? ;-)

  • @TheSengga
    @TheSengga Před 7 lety +31

    Vr6 or die

    • @thagamz2146
      @thagamz2146 Před 6 lety

      TheSengga you dissin I5 and wankels? u wot m8

  • @chadjones99
    @chadjones99 Před 4 lety

    2 great you tubers on one video

  • @RODDY.8
    @RODDY.8 Před 5 lety

    The same way he stares at Jason at 5:15 is the same way I stare at my phone screen whenever I watch EE. LOL!

  • @richardcasey7521
    @richardcasey7521 Před 4 lety +5

    Isn’t the Bentley V12 just 2 of those joined together in one casting?

  • @FastPaull
    @FastPaull Před 7 lety +35

    How is the VR6 a dying breed when the only company that makes them is still using them in quite a few vehicles they sell? Didn't think that one through..

    • @Knealeriley
      @Knealeriley Před 6 lety +9

      suzuki400boi they no longer use it in enthusiast vehicles and the remaining vehicles that use it are on old platforms and not destined to have vr6 post upgrade

    • @FastPaull
      @FastPaull Před 6 lety +1

      Wrong, the Arteon R will have a Turbo Vr6 and word is the next R32 will also utilize that same turbo VR6. That motor is far from dead.

    • @jspeights3137
      @jspeights3137 Před 6 lety

      suzuki400boi share a link please!

    • @hanfrekkejveln4111
      @hanfrekkejveln4111 Před 5 lety

      @@FastPaull because 'muricans said so xD They even think the TDI is dead.

  • @cameronchristmann7266
    @cameronchristmann7266 Před 7 lety +1

    I see some Rogue Brewing Co. decals behind you. Nice! Also, thank you for not saying "Foot pounds."

    • @HumbleMechanic
      @HumbleMechanic Před 7 lety +1

      :) :) I will say that the words "foot pounds" does usually come out of my mouth in causal conversation. LOL I try to make sure I say it right for videos. HAHA

  • @JaguarDieCast
    @JaguarDieCast Před 3 lety +1

    I had a 2003 gti vr6 24v. Man I miss that car. owned if for 7 years. It sounded soooo good and it was so reliable.

    • @AudiophileTubes
      @AudiophileTubes Před 3 lety +1

      I've had the exact same car for 18 years now, with 105,000 miles. No mechanical issues whatsoever. I mean none! I cannot believe how reliable this tank is! I'm shocked!

  • @DanielMRamos
    @DanielMRamos Před 7 lety +3

    If a vr6 had advantages, then why not use a vr4 vs a straight 4?

    • @TheShamarski
      @TheShamarski Před 7 lety +1

      Daniel M. Ramos kinda what I was thinking

    • @ChristinaK1024
      @ChristinaK1024 Před 7 lety +3

      Daniel M. Ramos There's no reason for a VR4 that takes up similar space as a turbo inline 4. The VR6 had beneficial packaging vs a traditional V6, because it's much narrower and you had a lower part count with only one cylinder head and valvetrain instead of 2 on a V6.

  • @MaxiBiscardi
    @MaxiBiscardi Před 7 lety +6

    why not putting a turbo on a vr6!?
    also vr6 sound os amazingg!

    • @JD-yx7be
      @JD-yx7be Před 7 lety +1

      Maxi Biscardi cost

    • @morxmeister11
      @morxmeister11 Před 7 lety

      there a lots of vr6 turbos out there m8 :D

    • @theox709
      @theox709 Před 6 lety

      Not many people are willing to mostly BCS many consider stupidly that VW sucks

  • @MrMartin10884
    @MrMartin10884 Před 4 lety

    Y'all also forgot to mention that nothing makes the same amazing sound of a vr6. Lol great video 👍👏 👌

  • @samer4977
    @samer4977 Před 7 lety

    thanx bro i like your channel plz can you tell us about eClutch electronic feature

  • @levy5867
    @levy5867 Před 7 lety +3

    I appreciate the enthusiasm the humble mechanic has of VW cars, but in my country, VW cars are crappy as hell. In Dominican Republic they are well known for being one of the most unreliable, expensive-to-repair and devalued cars in the market.

    • @ragimundvonwallat8961
      @ragimundvonwallat8961 Před 7 lety +1

      every car that go there turn into a pile of crap in 3 months. the problems are not the cars, but the way people use and ''''''''''''''''''''''''maintain''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' them

    • @enzoc3869
      @enzoc3869 Před 6 lety +1

      David Levy Pérez North America too don't worry

  • @frederikkrabbe4562
    @frederikkrabbe4562 Před 7 lety +76

    A turbo VR4, hmmm?

    • @notasian7620
      @notasian7620 Před 7 lety +1

      Frederik Krabbe maybe a double vr4 so like two vr4s mounted in a V8 configuration and the ideas go on haha

    • @frederikkrabbe4562
      @frederikkrabbe4562 Před 7 lety

      I am aware of V4's have been made, and it wasn't a completely serious comment, as I doubt it would be very effective.

    • @nachoizuel779
      @nachoizuel779 Před 7 lety

      Richard Hunter i saw one of those 2 months ago! i had to check if it was a troll or if it really existed xDD

    • @SI0AX
      @SI0AX Před 7 lety +1

      But I4 also needs balancing(balance shaft), so is VR4 even less balanced?

    • @gnarshread
      @gnarshread Před 7 lety +1

      SI0AX Honda makes a v4 bike motor that's beautifully smooth.

  • @deercreeker
    @deercreeker Před 4 lety

    I had a VR6 Corrado many years ago, terrific car!

  • @thomaskelleymiles
    @thomaskelleymiles Před 7 lety

    Mark 5's have a beautiful sound. Love the Mark 4's lines!

  • @dt1343
    @dt1343 Před 7 lety +5

    VW powwwaa

  • @DanLMH
    @DanLMH Před 7 lety +142

    (off topic) I don't see why y'all hate on VW, the Dodgy american brands (see what I did) are probably much worse at emissions if compared in the same ways as the VWs.

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  Před 7 lety +40

      FCA is also pending litigation with regard to defeat devices. VW gets crap because they intentionally cheated the system, and lied to customers. There's never going to be a time where that's okay. They could have also acted much more quickly in the best interest of their customers who did indeed by their diesel products once the scandal broke.

    • @DanLMH
      @DanLMH Před 7 lety +3

      For some reason my comment wasn't posted as a reply to someone else (but ty for replying!)
      From the coverage here in the UK, VW didn't intentionally cheat the system, some of the engineers at VW cheated the system without telling the big bosses, I know that counts as VW, but yeah the big guys didn't do it on purpose from what I've heard.
      I still think Diesel won't die just yet though, once we get more affordable Electric cars with more range, then diesel will die for the General Public.
      (Big fan of Tesla here lol)
      big love

    • @rivercress1042
      @rivercress1042 Před 7 lety

      Engineering Explained which is a shame since diesel cars seem to be few and far between these days. unless you want a pick up truck

    • @V8Supercar1
      @V8Supercar1 Před 7 lety

      Engineering Explained Maybe you can answer this question for me. Are diesel motors more expensive than gasoline engines? Example, a 2.0l turbo diesel vs. a 2.4L 4cyl. The reason why I ask this question because the diesel version of cars are always more expensive than the gasoline version of the same model.

    • @prowant2b
      @prowant2b Před 7 lety +4

      They just last longer, therefore, it is more valuable and the maintenance cost for diesel is skyrocketing. With maintenance costs increasing, it takes longer to see the lower cost benefits of a diesel. Its a shame vw is killing the diesel line, i was looking forward to the Amarok with a diesel.

  • @lesfox2010
    @lesfox2010 Před 7 lety

    Obviously you guys had fun doing this and it showed.
    Interesting video, you should get together more.

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  Před 7 lety

      Love shooting with Charles, but we live 2,500 miles apart from each other haha.

    • @lesfox2010
      @lesfox2010 Před 7 lety

      Engineering Explained put a turbo on your pushbike! ;)

  • @victorsuarez6703
    @victorsuarez6703 Před 6 lety +2

    Best channel.

  • @danI43541
    @danI43541 Před 7 lety +15

    In Europe the VR6 cannot be found in any new car,. But soooooo many diesels :D

    • @danI43541
      @danI43541 Před 7 lety +1

      derherberter that's gonna be a really bad idea.. so many cars are diesels it's impossible to replace the in a second.. every rental, company car, police car, ambulance and so many "normal" cars are diesels.. not talking about trucks and busses

    • @mixalisstathis274
      @mixalisstathis274 Před 5 lety

      what about the golf vr6, dan? and many more? go to europe to get some culture. and knowledge. or education.

  • @Nizacx
    @Nizacx Před 7 lety +3

    building up a vr6 to put back into the ugliest golf vw made? c'mon.. stick it into a mk2 or mk1 at least. only good thing about mk3's is the vr6 engine, that's why you don't see any around, everybody took their engines.

    • @HumbleMechanic
      @HumbleMechanic Před 7 lety +2

      Nick Nack I already did the mk1 vr6 thing.
      This engine is going back to its original home. ;)

    • @Nizacx
      @Nizacx Před 7 lety

      Alright that's fair enough then. sorry, don't know who you are just assumed. good on you.

    • @Articbismo
      @Articbismo Před 6 lety

      i have a 98 mk3 gti vr6 with a intake and im the only one that has it in my city and it has about 127k miles on it and i never took it out during winter and of course i baby it all the time

  • @1SaG
    @1SaG Před 5 lety +1

    As much as I respect the 2.0 TSIs, there's just something about that VR6 that makes me sad to see it go. I've driven the Golf MK III VR6, the Mk V R32 and the (IMO) fantastic Passat R36 - and all of them felt pretty special. And the sound was just incredible in all of them.

  • @nhoff7703
    @nhoff7703 Před 7 lety

    As a former MKIV owner and new Golf R owner. This video nails it!