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DANGEROUS SITUATION! Evacuate From the Tiny cabin at -52C! Wood heater FAILURE!
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- čas přidán 18. 08. 2024
- With the POLAR VORTEX among the boreal forest and the tiny cabin, the wood stove struggled to keep fire going and produce enough heat to maintain temperature that very cold night!
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Thanks for the video and sharing your experience! Its helpful to hear about others experiences! I've got the same wood stove in my 200 sqft cabin in northern Minnesota. It doesn't get as cold as northern Alberta but still pretty chili at times. I have my stove plumbed to insulated pipes inside and double insulated on the outside. There are two 90 degree elbows and then there are two 30 degree elbows to help the pipe clear the roof overhang. I did it this way so I wouldn't have a penetration through my roof. In order to maintain good draft, my thought was to use the insulated pipes. Not cheap at all. The system has done very well for me at -10F. No trouble keeping may place warm or maintaining good draft. Good luck with the diesel heater. Cool place you have up there! Nice and simple.
I agree with you on the insulated chimney, the cold temperature just stalls the draft and chokes out the stove.
Glad you're safe man. That could have gone way worse. Hope you get it all worked out and get that secondary heater working. That is smart. Keep us informed and entertained. But do it safely. Peace
Yes, had I been stubborn and tried to stick it out it could have been worse. Desiring to pull the pin and leave when I did was a better option. Came back later and figured out what went wrong. Come up with a plan to rectify it.
I am enjoying your videos. I think your heating source didn't fail you. It's your venting that is the problem.
You mentioned this during the video. I believe you wouldn't have to replace your stove, it just needs to be vented properly.
Yes, the draft was the main problem I think for sure, choked out the wood heater.
Wow! Great that you got out. Hopefully everything will be resolved and it’ll be safe to stay in the cabin. Stay safe and warm!!!❤
Thank you Maria! Yes, I will rectify the issues I am having with the heating system and add a second heat source. Should help out.
@@TheBushkateer Wouldnt a 20,000 BTU wall vented Propane heater be a better solution?
Wow, what an unexpected cabin experience! I am glad you made the decision to leave; your well being is the most important thing above all. Sounds like you have some good solutions to explore, and the parlor stove idea sounds really cool (I mean, warm!). It would add a great look to the interior if you end up going with that option. The engineering of all of this is fascinating. Can’t wait to see what you come up with. Stay safe, Wayne, and perhaps by the next video, you’ll have more snow to shovel off your wonderful front porch. 🙏🏻🪵🔥
Thank you Lisa! It was pretty easy to pull the pin on this overnight when the fire started to fail, to cold out to mess around, better to come back later to figure out the problem. Have a few ideas to rectify the issue, was a good test for the cabin and heating system (which obviously failed).
Can share ideas from similar problems I experienced. 1. the first 90* bend is notorious for plugging with soot or creosote. Enough to restrict it 75% and more in a few fires. Especially if insufficient draft is available. If you can, put a T-cleanout at the first 90* elbow. At least you can inspect or clean it quickly. Bet it's nearly plugged solid. 2. If the intake is at the bottom, it's a good idea to plumb fresh outside air to that intake. Because there's nothing better to squelch a fire than give it moist, cool air for the hot fire. At least you can keep the door closed on the coldest days when having an independent air source for the stove. Good luck!
I hope I don't offend you, what I say is for your own good. I am not a carpenter but my dad was and I worked as a carpenters helper for no less than 15 years total but I don't know everything, but I do know the difference between safe and dangerous!!!
You're sitting there and I can see the light coming in the corner of the cabin I can see why it would be cold either you have to get it air tight or use it for summer use. I actually paused the video to go back and see how you made this cabin and for the first time ever I understand why there are building codes. I wouldn't suggest you stay there under any snow load or in a high wind, dude you could actually die in that building, it scary! Very, very scary! I pray no one watches these videos to learn carpentry, again I have gone back and viewed comments on those build videos and I can see some kid thinking he can do it... Someone's gonna get killed! I'd be scared to house live stock in that cabin.
Make sure you take a battery operated CO detector with you when running the diesel heater just in case you would get an exhaust leak. It’s no good if you don’t wake up in the morning. Good video.
Thanks Doug! Yes for sure, air monitoring while the diesel heater is running is a must!
Glad you're ok! Stay safe up there.
Thank you blackblade!
I don’t understand why you would start a fire outside before you would try and heat the cabin first
Starting the fire outside is an instant heat source where I can warm up, the cabin takes a while to warm up.
Same difference….
I don’t understand why you start the fire outside the stove first or outside where the fire should be that’s a good way to burn down the cabin
Look behind him in the corners, all those gaps in the wall!
Frank Loyd Wrong must have helped him build this cabin!
It's to bad you froze out, we were at 51c without wind chill , it was cool, Should be a nice old stove , With two hands we turn our 6" round to oval, Stay safe & warm friend !
Yes, I think I will give it a try. Will give your idea about the 6" round to oval a try.
I rather suspect you are going to get a lot of helpful suggestions in the comments section. Meanwhile, I am glad you opted to have your supper inside instead of on the bench beside the fire. Chicken soup is a great meal on a very cold day, not to mention it builds a healthy immune system to fight off colds and viruses in winter, it also helps your body recover from illness more quickly. (Sorry, I am a health professional, so I had to get that in.) Have chicken soup often in winter.
Thanks! Yes a few comments for sure. Supper inside was great, more comfortable for sure and food stayed hot. Outside it would have gotten cold quick! I agree with you about the chicken soup!
That's pretty scary not to be able to depend on your wood stove. Glad it worked out. You made the right choice to leave.
Thanks! Yes, this wood heater was unproven in these temperatures and failed pretty bad compared to the old air tight heater I used to have. I will have to implement the new fixes I came up with to see if I can correct the heating situation. Thanks for tuning in and commenting!
I use a chimney brush and rod connectors to clean it. It works great for me.
Those work well Andy! Thanks for tuning in and commenting!
Thank goddess you got out😮it could have been a lot worse until you next video stay warm stay safe and god bless my friend 🙏❤️✌🏼
Thank you Lou Lou!
Allo yes it's it's been cold for a while in northern Alberta I live here too great videos love it and also your other channel too thanks
Thanks Eric! I am glad you are enjoying the content from both channels!
You're a brave man taking temperatures like that. About your stove. Is it possible to change the 90s and put 45s in? That would increase the draw even in bitter cold. Removing the restricter plate would add to that. Good luck with it. 🔥🪵🪓
Changing the 90’s to 45’s would help for sure, and I think the more effective measure would be to insulate the chimney pipe and make sure the wood burning source would be free to breath when required. A straight, insulated chimney is the best option ideally, but I will try to improve what I have there now. Thanks for tuning in and commenting!
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Thank you! It all worked out ok, figured out a few things to fix.
You scared me, your thumbnail photo deceived me. Glad your ok and cabin too.. i have always heard an elbow isn’t ever good on wood stoves, better chiminy goes straight up. Look forward to next vlog. Stay warm and safe.
Yes, 90 degree elbows are not ideal. Better to go straight out the top of the roof as I mentioned in this episode. A few things to look at for sure. Thanks for tuning in and commenting!
Glad ur safe!! I'm sure u'll get it sorted 😊
Thank you dimensional horse! I will get it figured out for sure!
You last just fine with proper insulation and construction materials and techniques
Thanks for your input!
I called BS. This is nothing but Clickbait. I have never ever, ever, seen a fire go out in any woodstove because it’s too cold. I’ve seen a fire smouldering because the wood was green, or a lack of experience with properly loading a woodstove. Based off your opening fire scene, I would recommend practising your fire lighting. A whole lot of work for not a lot of result.
It is so satisfying as a Texan to see wood split so easily. Here oak is still ridged after years. But minus 52 is unfathomable.
Looking forward to part2
No sense of freezing stay in truck with the heat on high then leave for a warm place
till you solve the problems when it warms up
Yes, I agree.
They made those stoves with a "fixed" damper. You can adjust it for a better fire there on the right side. Take a gander, you're calling it a baffle. A wrench would have kept you in the cabin that night.
I will have to take a look at that! Thanks for the input, watching the episode and commenting!
First time watching your video.
The issue with the stove is the baffle in it. Take the baffle out. It will burn much better. I have a drolet stove for my cabin and it had a baffle in it and the wood would not burn. Removed it and it works much better.
Second I see that you have a spark arrestor on the top of your chimney, remove that as well. The soot will plug up the screen.
Third, ive found that most issues of build up with creosote will be at the second elbow especially if your not burning a hot fire.
As for the diesel heater they work fantastic. I put one in November of 2022 at my cabin as a secondary heat source and it was one of the best things i could have done. Got tired of re-lighting the stove once it went out on real cold nights. Now i just hit the button for the heater and in a few minutes you can start to feel it warm up inside the cabin.
Thanks Ron! Your points are valid for sure! With the baffling and ducting in the stove, required by the EPA make operating it pretty limited and those features cause it to be very finicky. This stove needs an insulated straight chimney out the top of the roof in order to work properly in really cold temperatures. Basically this stove is not suitable for the chimney setup I have. It works ok during warmer outside temperatures, but in the extreme cold, it does not! I will be setting up the diesel heater in another episode and using it (even though it won't get as cold outside), seeing how well it will heat up the cabin by itself and how it works in conjunction with the wood heater. Long term I am thinking about swapping out that wood heater for a pot belly stove and see how that works. Thanks for tuning in and commenting!
@@TheBushkateer actually the colder out the better the draft you should get. Thats why most chimney fires happen when its very cold out. The cold air is just sucking the heat through the chimney.
@@ronstewart4241 I agree with what you are saying with the exception when it comes to an uninsulated stove pipe for a chimney in extreme cold temperatures. Being so cold out, the heat in the chimney gets sucked out by the cold air decreasing the temperature differential you alluded to in your comment. If there is less of a temperature differential between the stove pipe chimney and the outside air, there will be less draw on the flue gases in the chimney. Add to that a wood heater that can not be controlled, having a fixed air intake and restriction at the mouth of the chimney, there is no way to increase the temperature leaving the fire box to maintain a high enough temperature in the chimney, managing the temperature differential needed to get a good draft, there by choking out the stove. The two fixes for this cabin are getting a wood stove that can breath and be regulated, and an insulated chimney outside the cabin. The stove I have in there now is not suitable for the setup presently. Thanks for your input and engagement, I appreciate it!
I saw -45 C at our camp many years ago. My dad and I had the air tight just a roaring that day. I grew up in Hanmer and saw -40 for two weeks in the late 60s and 70s.
Those air tights throw a lot of heat when you need them to, go through a lot of wood also. I used one prior to this cast iron stove and it had no problem with -40, just ate a lot of wood!
@@TheBushkateer Our air tight is a WOOD CHIEF and it is very wood efficient. Stove is a big rectangular box. Very practical wood stove. Years ago I would bring frozen home made soup and let it simmer on the stove. Hot soup in the winter is awesome.
@@mikefoehr235 that sounds excellent!
any stove is gonna struggle in a room that cold dude thats why people with wood heaters keep them on constantly in cold areas in winter even on milder days! The trick is to try and get the ambient air temp up in the room to help the stove get going,once its above a certain point it wont have any issues,maybe try a diesel heater to prep the cabin in winter visits if your getting consistant temps like that,running one for an hour or two would make massive difference to let stove get roaring good
Hi Glad I am New to your channel I love your camp site it’s Awesome beautiful Amazing Place the Food 🥘 is Amazing mmmmm so good 😊
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Oh boy.... Thanks God, You are alive and "whole" - no wrostibitten fingers!
Thanks!
Hello from Northern Alberta as well , you need a chimney that goes strait up. Remove the 2 90’s and re position stove and you will be fine 👍 a chimney damper is also a good idea to slow down the burn at night
Yep, it's those elbows crippling it, because the exhaust stalls out at the elbow and begins to choke. Even though smoke can still escape, when it stalls, it creates essentially a backdraft of pressure that keeps the intake under the stove from sucking as much air in. Having 2 elbows just makes it even worse, as the pressure in the elbows can cascade against each other and magnify the problem. Also bad for keeping it clean and clear, because those elbows will collect a lot more soot, making the problem even worse, because you end up with narrowed sections where the flow profile of the smoke has to change, creating even more pressure differentials that the thinner density air from the intake has to fight against to even get into the stove, so the smoke just sits stagnant in the pipes, creating too little draft for fresh air to get pulled in.
Air burns really fast, so you need lots of it to keep a fire going. The flow of smoke coming out in even a good operating stove is going to be far far less than the amount of physical air being pulled in. You can kind of visualize this by how fast putting a lid on a candle puts it out. Even though the flame itself is maybe 1/100th the size of the space inside the candle jar, it goes out almost instantly, because all that air is quickly burned up. So a fire in a stove will almost quite literally use a whole cabin's volume worth of air in mere seconds. You just don't suffocate because more air is pulled in through every crack and quickly heated up. Even the average home replaces all of its volume of air in just a mere 2 hours, and that's with all windows and doors closed.
You need to insulate the door, you can see right thru it. And do you have an airpie in the back of the woodstowe? You know it is really dangerous when it is that cold, and you might not be able to start the car to get out of there.
I grew up in Lappland Sweden and I know how fast things turn and how fast you can get in trouble.
Some tips: put stones on the woodstowe, keep a lot of tealights, layers and layers of clothing (wool), get some curtains (double,all the way to the floor), also use the stones from the fireplace to put in your bed or under, curtains all around your bed and infront of your windows.when you go outside -cover your face!
When you drive, drive very slow because the car will be very brittle, materials break very easy when it is under -40.
You need to try 45 s in the joints , 90 degrees may be too much restriction on the draft, that or re plumb it straight out the roof, add a damper inline, also your right, those newer EPA approved wood stoves suck at functioning and performance.
Yes I agree. Lessen the angle of the chimney and cause less restriction. Ultimately that stove needs a straight piped chimney that is insulated for it to work properly. With the baffle and air ducting designed into it makes it pretty finicky and with the wrong chimney it will not draft properly, with no control over the amount of air going into the firebox. Thanks for tuning in and commenting!
Fisher stove with as much mass that you can afford would get you over that -40 temp hurdle!
Thanks! I have some other things t look at with this set up, in addition to alternate sources, but will keep your suggestion in mind!
The wood was wet that's why it would not stay lit
you should cross check if your digital sensor is even capable of measurig temps below -40 C at all.. most of them cant and give out bogus readings.
Hope your diesel has some anti gel additives or you pre heat the canister close to a fire because at -32 F its going to start to form parafine clouding eventually messing up your heater with gunk and over time maybe even kill it or at least lead to shut down.
READ and follow the instructions on the heater that heater will run you out of that little cabin and don't remove the baffle in the stove.
Dont know nothing about wood heat. Ive been heating with wood for50 years
Green wood. You could tell when you chopped it. Green wood doesn’t produce heat as for all the moisture has to boil off first. Also it’s hard to keep going.
Is your stove pipe double or triple walled if not you can go triple wall and it will work better in the cold your very inner wall will stay hotter
It is single walled, and that was one of the problems with that cold and the wood stove not being able to keep up.
Hi how much insulation you have in the wall and sealing and what material?
If your cabin is decent air tight you would have to have a air inlet for the wood stove to work well
good evening is your tiny cabin not insulated for cold winters? jimbo
Yes there is insulation, but insulation will not help if no heat is being produced for the insulation to hold inside. The problem is the heat source.
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Thanks Daniel!
Cabin is not sealed very well. Too much light coming in through corners and walls.
Some things you cant use for heating fuel if gets to cold wont flow
If you plugged the holes it would help and I would have thought all your wood would have been cut prior to winter.
A lack of knowledge can be dangerous in extreme cold.
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wow uninsulated gappy cabin made from planks of wood no wonder its so cold in there
Question...and I know nothing about this stuff by why not replace the piping versus burning it off?
It is easier to clean the pipe that way rather than spending money on new pipe.
Pipe is SUPER expensive. It will always soot/creosote up. The thermal mass of any structure is TOUGH to get up to temp.
6:35 you need some D-vitamin. Take 100mcg/day plus a 50mcg/day k-vitamin. Your cough's gone in a few weeks. Add some C-vit and zinc
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I don't understand why your wood heater isn't keeping your small cabin warm?
The cold temperatures stopped the draft in my chimney, choking out the fire in the wood heater.
i would get an old pot belly stove if i had a cabin like yours
Thanks Larry, yes I think a pot belly stove is the replacement for this EPA stove.
I wonder if a bellows could be used to force more air into the stove.
Wow man
New sub here, look forward to next one stay safe
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One elbow is equal to 10 feet of horizontal run on heating!!!!!!
I can see outside in the corners behind you!!!
Yes, the cabin isn't totally sealed off, it needs fresh sir to come in so the firewood stove can burn air.
You need a Jøtul or a Ulefos stove.
The clean out is on the bottom of the pipe try not to use a elbow on your wood stove
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Gets a little nippy up there in the Boreal forest!
Gloy's Heat Pal Swedish alcohol heater and cook stove safe
learn how to make a fire thats the secret
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that is not a cabin .. that is a barn :| ..make insulation with mineral wool inside and the temperature does not drop to - 10 degrees !!
do you have a generator?
Yes actually, a gas generator and a solar power station.
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Thanks Will!
Putting that wood rite in the snow. Wtf
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He's not very confident but kudos just the same. I would have done the same thing . Maybe
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It's because you aint got no insulation in the cabin.
Thanks for you comment! The cabin does have insulation, but insulation does not generate heat, it just holds it in longer. With out a heat source going, insulation will not help. Thanks for you input though! I appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment!
Sorry but I have to be honest. Props to you for being out there and accomplishing what you have. But you've had this channel for 4 years and you've been at it for a long enough period.You've had plenty of time to get a better stove and a better chimney design. Watching you burn the soot out of that pipe told me you really still don't know what you are doing. There wasn't really a whole lot in it but even still, any wise bushmaster knows that should have been cleaned out long before winter and you don't rely on that little Barbie Woodstove for temperatures that reach -50. Be honest with your viewers and tell them this is an example of what not to do so that God forbid none of them try to copy you and don't have the means to evacuate under the same circumstances. Driving the truck you drive with the length of time you've been there you could've at least invested $1000-$2000 in a better stove instead of that $400 yard sale special. You need at least a $3000 stove out there in those temps but even a $1,000 or $2,000 stove would be better than what you have. Honestly these CZcams channels popping up nowadays are going to get people killed.
What a Karen you are!
Thanks for your opinion William, but by reading your comment I can tell you missed a few facts about the channel misguiding you with your statement. It should be self evident that in this episode, this is an example of what not to do and in addition an explanation of what I think went wrong. I do appreciate your participation by watching and commenting this episode, helping me build the channel! Thank you very much! I appreciate it!
@@TheBushkateersorry to be so harsh but I'm not sure you fully understand how your Woodstove works although I can't be sure exactly what kind it is it looks like it is from US Stove company that is actually assembled in China. You also don't seem to understand what the Kale wool is inside it and what its purpose is and I'm concerned you may have taken it out which is a common mistake people make because they think it's blocking the straight pipe going inside the flue collar. Which is another problem I see which is that your pipe isn't sealed properly going inside the flue collar. If you want to learn more about your stove check out a video called "U.S STOVE COMPANY 900 sq ft log wood stove REVISITED " by AmishPA channel. It's possible that with the stove installed properly it can easily heat that cabin and wouldn't take even 45 minutes to warn it up in there to above freezing. But you need to understand that stoves draft system and yes your chimney set up is wrong for that stove. In those temps seasoned dry wood is an absolute must for wood stoves. I'd put a Blaze King in there even though the cabin is small. Best,
@@TheBushkateer If you want to fall in love with a Woodstove check out a video called "Full Review Blaze King Wood Stove PLUS upgrades & tips/tricks", by Chuck Porter He lives in Labrador Canada where it gets as cold if not colder than where you are and his Blaze King is so sweet it keeps him toasty warm all winter and will burn for 8-10 hours no problem.
Can’t have all those 90s.
A straight pipe would work better with no directional changes in flow I agree, but if the stove can put out enough heat it will work. Thanks for tuning in and commenting!
A tee coming out of your wood stove
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Dam this global warming they keep screaming about is brutal.
OMG..you touched RAW 🐔, then you grabbed S+P, wtf CROSS CONTAMINATION
You can not make a woodstove work--I see you been around for 4 years---less then 10 thousand subs==enough said
And I see you 3 subs, no content and the letter r as an avatar. Again, I thank you for your engagement with my content as it helps with the channel, but I can not take your comments to seriously as you have nothing to back up your criticism of my work. Thanks again for viewing my content! All the best to you my friend!
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Why not have a propane heater? You can get a wall mount a Mr buddy heater and bring up some 20 or 30 gallon propane tanks? Insulation on the walls and ceiling would help too. It's not rocket science. I'm not sure you are making it so difficult. Buy some double walled pipe too. Jeeze.
Propane heaters produce carbon monoxide, which is a poisonous gas that would be in a small space. It would not be a smart idea to fill a small cabin with carbon monoxide and poison yourself. Not safe at all. Thanks for you input though.
@@TheBushkateer they are rated for indoor use. Also, you should have a carbon monoxide detector in your living space anyway.
Sorry, but i have never seen anyone talk so much waffle and not really say anything.
You let the fire go out??? In the military you’d be shot! Unsubscribed!
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no insulation...?jeezuz,man.
Yes, there is insulation.
might help if you fixed the hole in your jeans