The Places In Between with Rory Stewart - Conversations with History
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- Host Harry Kreisler welcomes Rory Stewart, Member of the British Parliament, for a discussion of his remarkable odyssey. Reflecting on his background and drawing on his work as a diplomat, soldier, explorer, provincial governor, policy advisor, university research fellow, director of an NGO, and parliamentarian, he describes what he has learned from these multiple experiences. Analyzing the failure of intervention by the West in Iraq and Afghanistan, he focuses on the contradictions between the abstract theories that guide Western policy and the social structures, the geography and history that define the realities of the people and places of Afghanistan and Iraq His conversation concludes with advice for students on preparing the future in an uncertain world. [6/2013] [Show ID: 25139]
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*I would never describe myself as a supporter of the Conservative Party, but sadly, I suspect Rory Stewart is the best Prime Minister we never had in Great Britain and the UK. He's genuinely such a wise, intelligent and considered young man for his years and would have made a great Statesman. He's one of maybe a dozen MP's currently in the Houses of Parliament, who I genuinely believe went into politics for all the right reasons. It might sound a little **_'over the top',_** but Parliament is a much better and fairer place with people like Rory Stewart in it. As I say, I'm not even a supporter of the Conservative Party and its values, but credit where credit's due.*
It's hard to believe we chose Boris!
@@jonhelmer8591 I agree, but controversial as the idea still is, the country will NEVER get the PM it deserves until 'party politics' is banished altogether, and proportional representation becomes the norm in our elections.
What's really sad is that this guy would probably have made Prime Minister in the 19th or early 20th century, but is way too thoughtful and humane for 21st century British post-Britain politics 😥 Probably the only tory I have EVER had any respect at all for 😊
@@TheTristanmarcus I know *exactly* what you mean about him being born too late for his time. Yet part of me still fights for thoughtful and humane MP's in *any* of the parties. Out of the sitting 650 I'd be hard stretched to name half a dozen who I have any real respect for. You make a great point though Marcus. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Well said; even worse situation in our USA , eg BIDEN,TRUMP, et al.
What an intellectual , humble, straight talking man this is. How on earth did he get overlooked for PM and the mayor of London? It's wonderful listening to him - I've learnt so much.
This man has the potential to influence world politics for the greater good. I pray he gets the opportunity.
Have just been introduced to this man's unique perspective on Afghanistan and have shared. Having served two tours there I am inclined to believe and fully understand his remarkable insight.
Thank you for your service and bravery. God bless. 😘
At 76 years of years of age, and having been fortunate to have lived, worked, shared many different cultures, I support all the wonderful words, experiences , ideals.
Never easy to explain, yet so easy to understand .
Thank you Mr Kriesler for enabling a good man to share his vision and experiences.
A must watch 5 *****
Just finished reading his book and I was rewarded for doing so. What a wise, insightful, curious, and thoughtful man. I love how open and honest he is in this interview, there's isn't any posturing as you get with so many politicians, lucky to have him contribute in such a big way to society.
Agree. It's one of my favorite books I've ever read.
a man with a brain and vision how refreshing
Rory Stewart is always worth listening to, but compliments also to Harry Kreisler and his magisterial interview: he had done the research, he listened carefully, and his questions led the conversation down interesting avenues. Chapeau!
In 54 years I have never come across anyone so extraordinarily interesting, impressive, honest and likeable and who talks such common sense. I would like to see a different kind of politics Rory; you personify my type of politics.
You are very honest and straight Rory and i find that so refreshing!
Listening to this just because of the way Rory speaks and his voice, so calming.
I read Rory's book when it came out. Two things stick in my mind, the dog that walked with him who had teeth removed and he tried to bring back; and the hidden minarets he stumbled upon. one of the best travel journals i've read. I was unaware of his later life and delighted he has built on it so much. Great bloke.
Can't believe I'm the first to comment on this . . almost a year after the interview.
He's a fascinating individual . . I'd love to share a beer with him.
He is a ghastly FRAUD!
Why?@@dublintvcontent2023
@@dublintvcontent2023 Rory Stewart is a good man. That is a completely unsupported calumny against a very good person.
@@patrickgleason2066 Nah it is a cold observervation of the facts about the essence of a venal, self serving creep. Just do enough research and it is apparent that he is a great ACTOR and total Globalist tool.
@@dublintvcontent2023 “Globalist tool,” what does that mean? .... if it means anything. Is it globalist as opposed to nationalist?
He seems to me to be extraordinarily well read, also interested in helping people who have need of help.
This video should be mandatory induction viewing for foreign office staff, NGO's, and the panoply of organizations involved in the developing world in a militaristic, political or social context. Well said and loved 'The Places in Between'.
What an amazing and refreshing and honest person. We need more and more compassionate people like Rory Steward. Rory Steward to be Prime Ministerxxx
This is someone who.knows what he is talking about. I.hope his experienced understanding of how other people live in countries that are often invaded by the West especially by America and UK will listen to this educated and enlightened man..
Interesting. sincere and modest, well worth listening to and reading his books. On foot in front of the other.....
Excellent interviewer. Excellent interviewee. Stewart's analysis of the motivations and mechanisms of intervention is really quite profound, and in my view deserves more attention, and also consideration in relation to other fields of governmental and political activity. Amazing to be able to find gems such as this video among the mountains of dross on CZcams and the internet more generally. Thank you to all involved in its production and dissemination.
The politician we should have.
Elegant and articulate - hard to believe hes a politician !
That's Eton and Oxford for you!
JP VOGEL brings out the best thinkers
@Colin Cleveland the comment is not mine
As a socialist, who politically and economically has little in common with Rory, I do admire the chap on a philosophical, intellectual and honesty level. Sadly, he won't be picked as PM by fellow Tory MPs and, unfortunately, It looks like Boris will be PM by the summer.
Stewart will be the next Tory leader after Johnson's tenure ends in disaster and acrimony. Stewart is by far the most devastating in his public criticisms of Johnson of any Tory politicians.
He is young, what's the rush.
His book is amazing. I am happy to have found it.
very insightful.Hope his voice is heard.More strength to you Rory.
The most refreshing and engaging person in the Tory and Unionist Party for a long time. Thank you Rory. So so honest. and the mostly so sane
Came across this YT video all I can say in my simple way what a amazing young man keep going Rory you have a wonderful future WE need people like you in government
I never thought I could love and admire a Tory politician, but yeah, I love him! :)
Agreed. He probably won't win against Boris Johnson this time but will hopefully be the next Conservative leader after Johnson's premiership goes pear-shaped!
@@davidlondon2810 I was a bit put out by seeing him this morning being interviewed by Piers Morgan. He was saying that he's is proud to be a Tory , hard to grasp! Climate change tops all other dangers to us all regardless of who or where we are! I wish he'd join the green party because it's contradictory to be a Tory, to his principles in my eyes.
He said he went into politics to make a difference and I believe he has even if he will not win the Party leadership this time.
He is hardly going to say he isn`t proud of being Conservative is he?
The Green party in the UK are a tiny minority and will remain little more than a pressure group.
Tory has meant diiferent things to different people.It does not have to mean narrow minded Thatcherism and at other times it has not.Why else was Thatcher regarded as being so different?
No reason a Conservative politician cannot occupy the centre ground.
Where would you go if you were not a Socialist/Marxist.
Where would you go if you accepted the Brexit referendum result so the Liberal Party was consequently not an option?
Make a new party ,like those Change UK losers?
@@billycaspersghost7528Thatcher was regarded as so different by who? Almost everyone I know considered her to be a disaster for this country. She started the neo liberal "privatise all public services" type politics which have been disastrous to the NHS, and now they're eating their way into every national parks and what little is left after 4 decades of parasitic policies. Plus, I never could understand how these services were or are, theirs to sell. They were elected to govern, not sell. No one looks to the Tory party for a different approach. I'm not a Marxist but this situation proves him correct in his predictions of where capitalism would lead. None of this will stop the disaster for all humanity, and all other species that really should be faced and dealt with. Unfortunately, the public are ill informed, misinformed on the subject of climate change, and so won't ever agree to change their lifestyles, and the billionaires that profit from oil, air travel, car manufacturing, property development, etc are going to keep them as ignorant as they already are. So in the end it makes no difference what you or I think! I do like Rory Stewart, but the children of the world are more informed and aware of the serious consequences we face that those that govern. I don't care what political party governs so long as it's not corrupt, but that's the snag with all of them, which is why I do like Rory Stewart, because I do think he's honest, as is Jeremy Corbyn, that's the real difficulty is that people prefer lies and liars. Seductive lies!
"Thatcher was regarded as so different by who?".
Well me and the many other people who lived through those times.
By the people who coined the term "Thatcherism" for her narrow minded ,corner shop, monetarist ,Fiscal Darwinist economic policies.
By those people of the more centre ground Conservative party who saw the damage being done to the "One Nation" they believed in.
As you say it was Thatcher that started the sell offs and in that sense she was different,something new.It was this narrow nonsense that has done more to break up the "One Nation" than anything to do with Brexit.
In the `60s Scotland was mainly Tory now it`s mainly SNP.
I do not believe Corbyn is honest and his latest wriggling on the Anti Semitism in his party and recent evasions on the Skripal affair and the socialist debacle in Venezuela show this.
I've followed Rory for a few years having fell upon an CZcams video interview that was immediately engaging. Political or otherwise, he speaks with clarity, enthusiasm and most of all has a unique authenticity & ability to connect with people. Watch this space - politically.
Whenever I have run out of books to read, I re-read ‘Places in between’…..I have lent it out to friends several times and highly recommend to anyone who has not yet read it.
I'm not a Tory but he'd get my vote. He's a very interesting guy, a man of integrity. About time we had one of those.
Me and my wife saw him interviewed by Jon Snow at a morning event at the Hay Festival in 2009 or 2010 ( not sure) and he was very interesting, articulate and engaging. Jon Snow is a great interlocutor and always brings out the best in people. Rory Stewart had the most incredible coat that he said came from Paris and looked very expensive- neither of us has ever seen anything like it. He also attended a talk by Robert Skidelsky about the great Maynard Keynes where other attendees included Michael Gove, not long before he embarked on a disastrous ministerial career ( Gove).
I do not share Rory Stewart's party allegiance and there are those who say he is in the wrong party. It is impossible to neatly categorise individual motives and choices but I can only surmise that instinct and background make him more comfortable in the Conservative Party, as well as some ideological beliefs more typically associated with them, e.g small state, lower taxes, et al. His one time approval of Boris Johnson is incomprehensible, even before Covid. Gove and Johnson prove that journalists do not make effective politicians.
You really are quite a remarkable person Rory,please carry on what you are doing and i hope one day you will be acknowledged for what you are.....not only as an MP but as a truly independent great person!
Always thought that he has the real world experience, mental fortitude and openness all essential to leadership. His thinking is so far removed from that of U.K. career politicians and the phalanxes of snollygosters that put they there.
It is a real shame and loss that he is not in high office today. Challenging those that have never created a job, took a risk or understand history.
He is too honest to lie for a living, too a considered thinker to make snap decisions and for that not what the media needs to make money.
I’ve seen his documentary about Afghanistan, at the time had no idea he was an MP. (I’m American, not ignorant just don’t know every MP lol) I’ve seen some talks he’s given, debates he’s been in, and interviews. Quite a remarkable fellow seems like he’d make a good PM or at least Foreign Secretary or something first.
Most british people including me hadnt heard of him until his leadership bid.
This I fear is a big reason why my country is in the situation it is in now 😢
Plus he has refused to serve as a Tory M.P. under Boris Johnson's leadership and stood down as an M.P. before the 2019 General Election a few months later.
Such a young man with old wisdom
Watching this because of the Tory leadership contest? Some hope for British politics maybe.
He's 46 FFS.
What an extraordinary man and politician. He's already got the wisdom of decades between those young ears.
One of the old time politicos this man. May even know what he talks about.
Three cheers for the Mother who created family in all the places he mentions-- and keeps it as
calm as he portrays...
Rory - brilliant!
Been following a lot of Rory"s videos and I've come to the conclusion that he fits in with the catagory of adventurer and has used his deep sense of humanitarian curiosity to get an effective understanding about life and the human condition.He's a combination of so many things. He's so unlike most people. He displays qualities of humility that normally indwell "holy men". He doesn't do anything superficial. I'm convinced he will leave a mark in this world which won't be soon forgotten!
Excellent.
At last, a politician actually worth listening to, very interesting, thank you.
It is fascinating that 7 years on and now the withdrawal is scheduled to happen. They could have learned it was not going to work by simply listening to this.
Rory ‘I just happened to bump into an SAS column during a blizzard in the middle of Afghanistan a few days after 9/11, and while at parliament I broke into my own office by climbing out of a 5th floor window and somehow shinning up the side of the building’ Stewart. Of course he’s not some sort of special forces super-spy. What an absurd suggestion...😉. Leaving all that aside, he’s a great guy and he’ll make an amazing PM. Fingers crossed he gets another crack at it.
In my understanding a great person, an asset of this country. would be a very good prime minister
Wrong! He is ghastly, a real snake. Pretends to be something he is not.
@@dublintvcontent2023 So, what is he really?
DUBLINTV You’re right. He’s pretending that he’s not James Bond, whereas he clearly is!
@@flitfield77 He is ghastly, a real snake.
@@Zakalwe-01 He is ghastly, a real snake.
And they chose boris???!!!! Its like choosing Mr Bean over Brian Cox!
Love this man and the interviewer is wonderful
Thank you for sharing this great interview 👏🔄👏
Intelligent, wise, compassionate and sincere. I really wish Rory was PM.
A new addition to my heros.
I regret not having got to know more about this guy until quite recently. He’s a gem. Brilliantly articulate and deeply compassionate.
This guy had done quite a lot, I always thought he was Lawrence of Arabia type character and now hearing this long walking expedition it confirms it. I haven't done that, but I got a really high score on Galaga though.
Haha! Well done sir! 😂
LAWRENCE OF ARABIA WAS A MI5 SPY..FOR THE BRITISH EAST INDIA CO..THERE WERE MANY OF THEM..LOOKING FOR NEW ,WEALTH TO RUBE,AND NATIONS TO INVADE..HE SEEMS TO KNOW A LOT..AND HE ALSO KNOWS,THE SPIES THAT WORKED,IN INDIA AND AFGHANISTAN..HE IS QUITE GOOD..LIVING OUT THE REST OF THE 6 CONTINENTS,ALL EUROPEAN EMPIRES HAS SPIES.THE IDIOTIC US.EMPIRE..ACTES,WITH ARROGANCE AND STUPIDITY..HUBRIS..AND LIES..THAT CAN NEVER EVER WIN A WAR..ALL SHORT TERM INVASIONES,THAT ALWAYS FAILED..
My guess is that the Harvard students saw him in the way he described was because they are/were destined to be part of the bureaucracy he was warning against. You're not going to make progress ( personal/professional) if you are questioning the futile nature of the work. There is some comfort in knowing that no matter what you do in this situation, as an outsider you are destined to fail. But you're efforts will be viewed as a success by the political/military/bureaucratic systems. This is why Rory is correct, we should be extremely careful where and to what extent we intervene in the places in between.
You don't have to get on a plane or ship to go abroad, and experience a totally different culture. I walked across the border at Mexacali, and instantly found myself in a foreign land. I travelled by rail and bus, Second Class, for six weeks, and avoided American hotels. It was a unique and changing experience in my life.
Joe Sikorski ironically, you only had to go to California, New Mexico or Arizona to visit the missing 51% of Mexico. But I get your point, and I’m glad you did what you did and the way you did it.
Did not you patronize the "Fours Seasons"? and did you meet any Mexican rapists?
Yes, I do the same when I travel. Hostels, meeting locals. Did that in china.5 weeks listened to young people, sat watching street life. Rory is a modest thoughtful person, far too good for pm, too sensitive to be a Tory maybe. This is a first for me, actually liking a Tory ! Though I do respect ken Clark.
Jasmine Luxemburg we should judge people not by their words, or even by their demeanour (which can all be artifice), but by their actions.
And has ANY Tory voted against or even criticised the disastrous and universally condemned austerity measures implemented to bail out the banks?
If you want to tend the plants in a garden, you don’t get a job with a company that covers all green land with concrete.
So, what this SIS (MI6) agent says (in his apparently thoughtful and caring way), and what he does are two very different things. They are not in any way complete.
And don’t forget that in Iraq he oversaw the process that lead to the situation those poor people are living under now. He was posted there as part of the overall plans to destabilise not just Iraq, but the entire region.
Did he become a whistle blower? No. No, instead he makes a living taking in that manner, hoping people will just judge him by his words.
gonna treat myself to your book and read it over christmas
Rory Stewart is the PM who would have united our country.
Very interesting story for fellow travellers and writers. Glad to have been able to watch this interview.
Wish he became PM. So knowledgeable and smart.
I don't think it's unlikely for that to happen in 10 years time if he's willing. I feel like they'll be a Labour government in the next 4 or 5 years and then maybe a Conservative government led by him because the Boris government will be deeply unpopular. Just guesses though.
36:43 this guy points out the issue the Afghan intervention in a few sentences lol 😂
Leave it to the elites to drive a smart guy like this out of politics.
I love Rory
I am an American but study History and Sociology. This guy is so fresh and intelligent. I hope the Brits uplift him if so be it.
i hope you do share your wisdom and experiences with lots of students.
Great listening to Rory in the light of current events - check out Afghanistan: The Great Game, also on CZcams 👍
He is a very impressive personality, and brings a big-picture, world-view to the table more than most of his peers. The Political climate today is just not sympathetic to someone like him and he is unlikely to become PM for now .... However, I hope he sticks around because the world is changing, and there could come a time when we need his kind of leadership. He has a brilliant mind, understands different cultures and speaks different languages. In a more civilised world these qualities (plus his courage as a soldier) would place him in the top flight. Jacob Rees Mogg, Tobias Ellwood and Rory Stewart represent a promise of new, enlightened, accountable governance. I hope men of this calibre become the future time's rule - rather than the exception.
I really like the silent Autotrader adverts.
What a decent person
Big fan of Rory.
I just plainly don't understand (even after hearing many of these people talk) why the western countries ARE in those places in a forceful manner in the first place; if they went to these places to learn and see like this man did, all would be so different.
Westerners always start with the premise that "what we want for these people is... what we want to achieve here is...." so damn hypocritical and imperialistic.
I already know that the absurd fluctuations of the Afghanistan system are ridiculous yet I do not have a degree. Turquoise Mountain sounds like a marvelous achievement.
He says that in all those communities he came away with the sense that they were good people 14:47. I read the book. He was shot at, threatened, stoned, punched, given little food and made to sleep in places with no heat in winter. Many of the Afghan men that he accepted food and shelter from were men who had shot many other men (sometimes unarmed prisoners) and would do so again without hesitation. Lovely people. "I was lucky, lucky to make it out alive" 21:00.
A very attractive personality, a good logical thinker and excellent debater (Eton seems to ensure that).
But from this video, he ran charities where there were free handouts of overseas aid from various sources
and he had to spend it all in the coming financial year. Not the usual problems that an SME has to solve !
Now he wants to be Prime Minister.
Was he trying to emulate Richard Burton (the explorer, doofus!) or Livingstone (another Scot)?
interesting
I wonder how the British would take it if an Iraqi person just started to walk all over Britain, from small town to small town... what sort of "experiences" and attitudes would he or she "live"??
Every night, finding someone to give you food and accommodation.
@@OrcusMaximus
Well, what I mean is that English and European persons in general love to "backpack" across other nations and "have experiences" but for most of the rest of the world that is just "life"... and in most instances IF I were to get up now and get by backpack and walk, I would find limitation and people stopping me from entering certain nations, I would not be allowed to enter or "walk" into most European nations just because I decided to start seeing the world, or most of the American continent also... so this thing he describes is sort of a privilege for some and there a plenty of limits for most others. I don't feel like a victim either, but these are facts, no??
@@ggrthemostgodless8713 As a European I have to get permission to enter another country. Lots of people enter my country without asking. That makes us very forgivng
35:39 Does anyone know what he means with the drug policy?
Governments spend billions trying to stop drug trades but drug trades just evolve to do it differently and keep selling
And to think, he’s going to get hammered in the Tory leadership contest by some coked-up cartoon character.
...which says a lot about his fellow tory MPs... but I tend to agree!
It`s probably not his time.Boris will get the leadership and one way or another it is something that has to be gone through.
I like Rory Stewart ,I have read his books and seen his lectures.
Even when he spoke on the Topic of Hedgehogs to a near empty House of commons it was brilliant oratory.
But I would not want to see him crash and burn on the rocks of Brexit.
time to apologise ? he won that debate easily
Impressive man pursuing interesting choices..... particularly his take on Lawrence of Arabia......
A learned, thoughtful, capable, committed public servant. His opponent for the Conservative leadership was indeed a shallow chancer.
No snowflakes in his family.
👍👍
I can barely hear this video. Could I respectfully request that volume is considered with video posted on here. I am hard-of-hearing and can hear less than half the videos posted; I'm sure that I'm not alone. All other disabilities are catered for, apart from hearing loss.
why don't you just read the subtitles?
There are captions (bottom right), but you could get an external speaker, which could help. I do agree people should pay close attention to volume as it is very low on this video.
Pardon...
He knows a lot, speaks very well, seems like a very nice guy - but does he have any solutions? Negative about science itself in a vague way. He would rather have lots of conversations with people, which at his pace is going to take a long, long time.
if you walk solitary you learn more
The Black Watch was an elite regiment.
i believed that revolution or change in right direction only came from the local leaders of that particular region/country and that person must be connected from the native population. for example mahatma gandhi who gets exposure to western education, know local culture, language and sacrificed himself for the betterment of people. only those kind of people will be able to solve the problem permanently which is discussed in the video. this is my opinion.
Interviewer looks like someone in disguise. Rory’s the man though
Good lord! Initial questions were way too deep for initial questions. Find a way to develop a rapport with people first
As an Indian I am amazed to see a British guy that is perhaps…antipodal to the dastardly thinking of Churchill about Indians from India. Oh! Yes, there is nothing about India HERE. But I am not that smart & knowledgeable & am forever doubtful of anything British. Yet, a little bit less negative than absolutely negative…
Churchill was a deeply flawed human being. Perhaps he was the necessary man at the time re Hitler. But many British people don’t like him these days. We have many nasty, greedy politicians in the UK atm. Rory is a total exception to the rule 👍👍
Alex Honnold has let himself go ....
The outsiders goto these places and overexpose their monetary system over a system that has and is been functioning for a long long time... once the people are forced to adopt the monetary system to interact with each other, they are fucked even before an official invasion.
"Does Texas pose a threat to existential global security?"
-Rory Stewart
Am existential threat to women's rights, going by recent events...
Rory Stewart is the British Prime Minister we British never had …. the past few years have proved this without a shadow of a doubt more’s the pity.
He should walk around Brixton , he would see what life means ?
He would not understand the "foreign accent".
Who knew Tories did asmr?
Smash and grab
tony blair on steroids?
This is like an extreme version of the student who goes on about their gap year.
Not many gap year students walk across Afghanistan a few weeks after the Taliban have fallen,
Interresting to see how comments are coming in after an interval of years as he enters thte Leadership contest.
He will not win,unfortunately, but watch this exceptional man.
Diplomat, soldier, explorer, governor, policy adviser, well let's not overdo it. Eton got him into the diplomatic service.
I was watching this vides and then I noticed that I really don't care!
Terrible interviewer.
alan brooke Why?! I thought he was great.
He may come across as soothing and calming but this fella with his schmaltzy way I find cant be trusted. Not for me.
Poor interviewer
Stewart is plaguerising Nigel Farage style.
Lol
Posh member of the establishment wittering on but still keeping hold of their power.
he had almost no power
A classic example of travel, and privilege, not broadening the mind.
A classic example of travel broadening the mind .
Why put old video,s on. Don't see the point. We need to move forward move on. They live in the passed. All remainers. T A Black watch. Our Lads have been killed. And still are. For a country that's not our,s.