Which Versions of Baten Kaitos I & II Should You Play?
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- čas přidán 10. 07. 2024
- In this video we'll be comparing Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean as well as Baten Kaitos Origins between their Japanese versions, The PAL version on the Nintendo Gamecube with their Nintendo Switch versions as part of the Baten Kaitos I & II HD remaster. We'll be looking at the localization, content, gameplay, visuals, and audio. We'll also cover glitches and get an idea of how the remaster unpatched is.
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0:00 - Intro
0:28 - Baten Kaitos I
1:10 - Baten Kaitos II
2:51 - Baten Kaitos I & II HD
10:30 - Final Thoughts - Hry
in the original, the echoed voices are an issue because of the surround audio option which is by default, most people played on a stereo setup. If you change the audio to stereo there is no more echoe.
If only I knew that almost 20 years ago...
I remember doing it by accident and told some people of that, and they were thanking me like crazy.
So part of the voice's weird sound isn't just because it's coming from multiple channels, it's because the voices have some phasing going on. While Stereo removes some of that sound, and mono further helps, the voice lines still have an unnatural phasing to them not present in the raw file or remaster voice lines. However, yes that is a good recommendation
Those past 2 weeks having you in the Discord servers asking us many questions about all versions of the games were a blast, the resulting video is fantastic with all the revisions you did witj the help of the communities!
Personally I felt inlove with the Remaster, and I did an All Achievements run at the release. Even if there were a few glitches because it was still 1.0.1 at the time, it was such a blast. I'm probably never going back to the originals, the upgrades in the Remaster (even more now in 1.0.3 and possible more in the future) are so enjoyable! ♥
One thing you forgot to mention; the field guide in _Origins_ no longer lists the enemy's attacks and weaknesses, the single most useful thing about it. It's made playthrough's a lot more frustrating.
Really really thank you for always making such detailed port comparison
You're my Man for multiports and remakes Austin😃
My biggest issue is honestly with the new character models in Eternal Wings. I wish they had just reworked the shaders. If they went to the trouble of creating new models I would at least expect them to look all around better, but for me they just look... different and I actually liked the old style more. In Origins I can see a clear upgrade without the style changing too much.
after watching several ports reviews I can say, if you can, always play the original versions, they don't know how to do it right.
These HD ports were clearly made on a shoestring budget so I dont hold it against them for not redubbing the english voice acting. Some modders have already restored them to the PC version, with text inconsistency retained. Probably the best solution for those who really want the English dub.
Maybe if they didn’t approach the game with a revisionist axe and change so much menial bullshit to please absolutely nobody, they wouldn’t have to worry about that.
If modders can do it, the company can do it lol
PC Version? This game never released on PC
@@paperluigi6132 it did now lol
I wish they had an optional DLC putting an English dub in there. I have trouble reading, so it would help.
Goddamn, AustinSV going wild on a new remaster!
I'm definitely waiting for more patches before I get the remaster.
As soon as I see the remaster I searched for your video.I'm not disappointed.
I did not know the patch 1.0.3 fixed the inputs in the 1st game with selecting magnus cards in battle, that said I did pick up the remaster via Playasia and it's my 1st time playing these 2 games, I have 0 regrets on it cause damn I ended up enjoying them more than I thought I would, some of the QoL definitely helped in mitigating somethings that would have been a hassle or slow otherwise, but been loving these games and depending on when I finish up my ongoing playthrough of the 2nd game these games might become my favorites in the RPGs I've played!
Edit: I finished Origins on the 1st of December, overall really did enjoy this game and the 1st one, the QoL again did help in making things less of a slog even tho I did suffer an odd glitch with 2 Pac-Mans for some odd reason. I did wish they kept the english dub cause the stuff I watched of it sounded good, even better than the 1st game, but I still want to say the Japanese dub for both games were pretty good but I also give it to Origins for also being better than the 1st too. Both games have their flaws along with the remaster having it's issues but honestly both games reached up there as one of my favorites in RPGs and I'm glad to have played them.
I liked the English voices a lot in the first game. Xhella’s voice wasn’t great, but everyone else did a great job and I wouldn’t want a version without those voices.
The HD Remaster is also on PC Steam now! :D
I think something worth noting that bothers me immensely in Eternal Wings remaster, is that weapon trails in battle are completely bugged, and Folon's weapon is completely invisible
I remember trying to beat this game several times, but I always got confused about the cards, and I'm a little colorblind, I have never been able to. Maybe I'll try once more.
Pulled the trigger on the remaster like 3 days ago and I really wish I had seen this before I did so
And now the new best version will likely be the just announced Steam version 😮😮😮
Really appreciate all your hard work Austin. Definitely gonna avoid the remasters. Sad how rare it is to get a halfway decent port, but at least they're more accessible now, even if they're pretty bunk versions.
I am glad I still have my GameCube versions and the GameCube, but I wouldnt mind buying this again. However, it would require me to get it as a discount price.
*scuttles in* Fans have modded the game to add back in the English dubs to both game, if you, much like myself love the terrible, terrible dub of I and the admittedly pretty good dub of II. The dub hasn't (or wasn't at the time of the beginning my playthrough) been tested for anything beyond the original release of the remaster. A few weird instances for the patches beyond that have been noted, but I haven't tried playing through with it yet. (I'll probably do it for my new game plus, because yes, many, MANY things are bugged, especially the finshers, and especially Lyude's in particular.) Yes, some of the dialogue doesn't match with the spoken lines, but it's been so minor I struggle to believe that's the actual reason for the lack of dub :/ Anyway, look it up if you're interested! They even fixed the echoy voices (which only happened for a portion at the beginning of the game, not through the entire game to begin with, I'm pretty sure?) If memory serves, the voices actually sound fine if you stick the sound on mono, so it wasn't a recording issue. And as annoyed as I still am by the lack of the official release for the English dub, I'm delighted this got a remaster as it's been one of my favorite games since it's original release
Also--- not sure if the mod did this as well or what exactly is going on, but my item names are the originals, and Mizuti's dialogue is also clearly their original (or close enough to it.) So, uh, maybe there are more differences in dialogue than I'm crediting at this moment, but I don't have a frame of reference for it, apologies D:
They patched it into the switch version? Or do I have to have it on pc? I really want my dub back 😢
@vii6205 They patched the switch version BUT to my understanding you need a modded Switch to play it on your Switch. I could be wrong and you'd need to look into how playing modded games on the switch works. I don't have a modded Switch and therefore played it though an emulator though. (Basically, I'm unsure of how or if I even can with my Switch model, load the modded files onto the Switch. I don't typically like modding systems that are still actively being updated so it was not something I even attempted.)
Hmm, for some reason I think it deleted my other comment. Possibly due to profanity (er, used in the context of, this thing is freaking awesome, not me randomly cursing out in the comments lol). But regardless! The Steam Deck is fantastic for emulation, and if you have one it's worth looking into if you are trying to get access to the fan mod.
Disclaimer: Also, please buy the game if possible, even if you're emulating. I'm sure lots of us would like a 3rd game, and while there's no guarantee that will happen regardless, it most certainly won't if the game doesn't make money. If you want a physical copy the Japanese copies can even be imported and have an English text option.
@@LadyTorix Thanks for the info! does modding the switch mean you cant use it for new games? also no problem LOL i bought the game the day it released!!!!
Why didn't they change Sacred Wine into Sacred Vine? The plant is front and center.
Because the flavor text probably talks mostly about the wine, not so much the plant xD
Why do conpanies mess up re-releases so much? These should be the games that are impossible to mess up.
Because changing assets and resolution can surprisingly break a lot of things, not to mention even getting these games to run on noticeably newer engines so you can even start working on them. But releasing remasters with noticeably more bugs than the original... is still ironic.
@JJKMagic You'd think with a new more powerful engine that they'd be able to take an old game and just make it look a little better, maybe add a couple of things, and then smack that shit onto a new engine and it'd be fine. It's weird how just trying to make a game look better can break stuff. If that's the case though, they need to give those games a bit more time before release so they can just fix those bugs
@@codysvlogdays I mean of course they CAN, but first you have to spend quite a lot of time to even solve the compatibility issues. And when I say a lot of time I mean it may even take months just to get the game to properly work on the new engine before they can actually start working on upgrading the graphics. If you then decide to change and ADD features like they decided to do here, I suppose those most have introduced so many issues that they mostly spent time on adding these features and in the end didn't even have all that much time to even properly work on the graphics. And yes, the main issue is time here, of course, and developers never set aside a lot of time for remasters. They usually don't make enough money to really justify the time spent on them.
@JJKMagic that is really unfortunate to hear. At least I know a little bit more about game development now when it comes to remasters. I thought that shit was just a quickly thrown together package that was easy for the most part
@@codysvlogdays It sounds easy, and sure if you port a PS3 game to the PS4 it IS pretty easy, but 20 year old games? Those are a little more finicky since they are VERY outdated tech-wise.
But that is why good remasters are so rare. I wish this would have gotten the Xenoblade Chronicles treatment, but sadly Baten Kaitos only got the 0815 remaster touch up.
Yeesh this remastered feels like a mixed bag
Ура, новое видео. Спасибо за сравнение
does the input lag also occurs on the emulators?
Praise the Lord!
Right, so they’ve fucked it! Thanks for the heads up. Glad I already went after the GameCube versions even if it ended up costing twice as much. How hard is it to make QoL improvement and changes that don’t undermine the original game?
The secret boss save file thing is the most offensively stupid IMO (and there’s some tough competition). One of the main advantages of having the two games in one package would be seamless linking of save files for features like that. It’d be like if Shenmue I & II HD didn’t allow you to carry your save over.
They’ve also not successfully preserved the games, because the version you’ll find on the cartridge in 20 years’ time is riddled with bugs. They have managed to accomplish exactly nothing by releasing this turd.
Yeah….I’m glad I held on the originals.
If it have a good pc port I'll try it, but it also needs to have the JP dub since is how I like to play my animes
Will Super Mario RPG be the next video?
Do you really need that one? It's already pretty clear that the Switch version is superior in almost every way.
@@NukeA6 Didn't stop Austin from making a video comparing the 2 versions of "LIVE A LIVE".
@@KevinTheTimeGeek86 Big difference here is that the English Live A Live has horrible localization and I know this having played the original. Whereas, the Super Mario RPG remake actually updates the translation to be much more accurate.
@@NukeA6 I also played the fan translation and loved it, but I also love the remake's translation, too. But I understand why you wouldn't like it as much. Also, I'd argue the LIVE A LIVE remake's translation is more accurate, too.
@@KevinTheTimeGeek86 The fact that they removed a blonde joke (and an actually funny one at that) from the psychic guy's chapter is already a nail in that coffin. Don't even get me started with the Old West chapter.
Hearing the english lines without the broom closet echo is so cursed. It's all I've ever known.
i will stick with my gamecube versions. thank you
I'm not looking for completion and just want to play through the story (since I never got around these games before), so I think I am going to go with the HD version for the QoL updates.
Though I kind of wish I got this video before I bought the physical version from Play Asia (not sure if those came with 1.0 or with any patches, though I suspect no patches).
Already have these on Gamecube, but I think I'll pick up the remasters just to let Nintendo know "Hey, people care about these games"
Hope the rumors of the remaster being ported to PC are true and maybe they will patch the game 1 or 2 more times.
I also dislike how they’re no physical version on the Switch. That’s how I prefer my games to be played.
There is a physical version
@@joeyisabsb1 Japan only as far as I know.
@@lankthedank6931 yeah, it’s only Jp and eu that received physical versions unfortunately (the physical is a GAME stores exclusive over in pal regions).
In Europe we have it. But it s difficult to find it.
@@langveilerc272 Cool, I don’t live in Europe.
The new characters shading dont match the environments at all.
The remake looks gorgeous! I've been playing BK on a old-school CRT & it's such a relief to see a remake that captures the essence of the original game.
steam version clears
I think it's a great remaster. I love how it looks and the QoL features. Also the Japanese dub is a huge step up for me, I love to play Japanese games in... Japanese. There are issues, but it will still get patches. Overall I don't think that I would play the NGC original games anymore.
i wonder if the NEXT Switch will run these games at a locked 60fps
The upscaled backgrounds look better than I expected but the bugs and performance make me want to wait for further patches.
8:30 so they cut the English voices because of current year bullshit
Steam version easy
Is new version still censored?
Yup.
“All ports” ?
The main thing that pissed me off, and made me regret my purchase, was the lack of the English dub. I'd be happy with a prompt saying "the script may not match the voice and the quality is lower, u wanna proceed?" rather just than lazily cutting it out *sigh*
As an unknown localizor so insidiously inserted, all I have to say is "Yikes"
Why would they not let you pick your gender? That is so weird.
Because it would be exclusionary to weird gendergoblins with "fae/faer" pronouns
@@thepld why are these comments infested with people like you
Right? It seems like a nice touch, and it doesn't seem too difficult to adapt into English.
@@thepldcringe
@@thepldok buddy
Changing alcohol to juice? What is this? The 90s? "NiNtEnDo DoEsN'T CeNsOr GaMeS."
I think it's Bandai Namco responsible for this shit but yeah modern audiences...
Between the complete loss of the English dub, censorship, and and numerous bugs, I really can't get behind this remake. It is just a mess. It is like they went out of their way to make these games worse.
Another great video, thank you for your service.
Another "modern audiences" update, I'll stick with the original.
@@mauri4140 no messing with stuff like pronouns and editing names of things to please people who won't even buy these games.
and another butterfly
@@mauri4140 "modern audience" refers to those indoctrinated by far-left ideology through the use of social media addiction, excessive use of online echo chambers (Reddit, Discord, Twitter, etc.), and the general consumption of liberal media propaganda funded by big pharama, corporations, and the government. It is the group of people targeted by woke ESG funded products, ironically causing them to all fail because they are a minority of modern day hippies that don't actually buy anything.
They are also known as NPCs, SJW's, Tumbrinas, snowflakes, redditors, and so on.
Won’t buy this until it’s less than $20
I love your videos but this one just *sounds* like you hated recording this. It sounds like you're bored out of your freaking mind and/or really annoyed at this for some reason...
So the games are even more censored now? Sorry, not buying the remasters.
These localizers are a bunch of weirdos.
Heres my take on the gender option, which i am really disappointed they removed: JUST ADD GENDER NEUTRAL LMFAO
Its really not that hard if the dialogue could be changed from he/him to she/her. This isnt even a “cant please everybody” situation, its literally such an easy addition/fix
Also will forever be bitter for them removing the ages, english dub, and dialogue. They could have tweaked the sexist ones, but still included the conversations (i dont even remember if there were any thanks to the removal). It fucks with the memory for old fans and its hard to tell what we’ve missed 😔
Also the alcohol and religious imagery removal is ridiculous. I mean, they still kept the gang in eternal wings nailed to crosses LMFAO
Sometimes there are things you mustn’t touch (because they dont need to be fixed)
Removing the English dub is a huge dealbreaker. It's funny that they say it's because it'll cause discrepancies when they've released titles before where the voices haven't always matched the text.
Whoever decided to change the localization should be fired. There was nothing wrong with how the game was originally portrayed. Adding a very unnecessary yikes comment and forcing their retarded pronoun agenda doesn't look good either.
I was close to buying the remasters then I saw all these garbage 'modern audience' changes. Keep hiring ideologically impaired localisers for these games, you won't be getting anywhere near as many sales as you want
Using they/them instead of he/him is awful, it makes it sounds like the character is non-binary or something like that. And people who aren't native english speakers but rely on the english language have to deal with this too, since in most latin languages, there's no actual (broadly accepted) usage of neutral pronouns. And this is even weirder when the game doesn't even ask you gender in english. Atrocious, to say the least.
EDIT: I'm aware of singular They/Them, but this doesn't apply to the main character, since he's clearly male. Ironically, if they had left the option to choose your gender as the japanese version, this choice of pronouns would make total sense, since they wouldn't need to edit the script according to the gender of the MC.
Oh look, we found the dude who got mad at Starfield having they/them pronounces.
they/them can also be used if there's no specified gender. you're making something out of nothing here, I'm afraid.
@@Kriseiri the gender is pretty much specified here.
@@sollato0293 your sole argument is to project like this? Jeez I had better discussions before with people who I completely disagreed with.
And I have no idea why you're being so defensive about it, since I put my point in a very neutral way. If you don't like people having different opinion than yours, show better arguments or I don't know, shut yourself in you wardrobe and wait everyone else in the world to die.
If a person can learn a new language, I don't think it's very far-fetched to think they can learn how singular they/them works.
Not the pronouns comments 😭😭😭touch grass please it's just grammar
I’m making all the characters canonically non binary as punishment. They all go by they/them now.
Gladbi went straight to the comments, im not watching this video anymore if he's going to complain about stupid meaningless shit💀
How did this channel gathered so many bigots goddamn, its like i woke up in 2018
Men can't get pregnant and non-binary is fake, sorry.
Keep projecting, tourist.
@@NukeA6 thanks for the compliment
@@NukeA6cringe
@@Dancinglemon I could care less how fragile you are.
No dub no buy
They rewrote dialogues... And completely cut off the English dub because of it.
That's a very special kind of bad.
Praise the Lord!