Barrister loses patience with former Post Office executive: 'That's just word soup'
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- čas přidán 25. 04. 2024
- A former Post Office executive was condemned for using “word soup” jargon by a frustrated barrister during the Horizon IT inquiry on Friday 26 April.
On her second day of giving evidence, Angela van den Bogerd was asked about the cases of several individual subpostmasters and their branches.
Her response, when questioned on the specifics of settlement negotiations with Martin Griffiths, drew a frustrated outburst from Jason Beer KC, lead counsel to the inquiry.
“What does that mean? That’s just word soup,” he said, repeating part of Ms van den Bogerd’s answer back to her.
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The public are losing patience waiting for this evil woman, Vennells, and others to receive the jail sentences that they so richly deserve.
You never spoke a truer word
I have been watching some of these people being questioned. There appears to be a common denominator amongst them. Firstly, they were in the highest positions and very well paid including fat bonuses. However, their memories of events are very vague and sketchy and sometimes non-existent. Secondly, they are able to remember things that they think make them look good and give great detail on these. Surely it is time for a selection of these people to be in court to answer to what happened and their potential involvement in innocent people being convicted and jailed and the distress and loss of everything that they had.
Not one of them is going to prison.
I'd rather have justice. *Reaches for whetstone"
@@hencole sad but very true.
Well done for calling her BS out.
His BS detector is indeed strong.
Stop her pension and jail her NOW
IF A WOMAN STEALS FROM A SHOP. SHE CAN EXPECT THE WEIGHT OF THE LAW. is THIS WOMAN immune FROM laws. WHAT HOLD DOES SHE HAVE ON OTHERS. WILL WE EVER BE TOLD. HER HOME FOR THE NEXT 15 YERAS IS JAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if only.
@@bwghall1 Your caps lock has a problem.
yeah couldnt agree more, i want this woman and all the execs in jail as fast as possible
Maybe take her to court first?
What are the consequences of lying under oath?
Maybe Bogerd will find out?
Depends on your social class.
They will claim all the publicity means they can’t get a fair trial
@@user-se7es6uc8v 10000 bloody percent. Bogus' lies costs thousands of lives and he still hasn't been investigated for them.
Lying under oath is committing pergery which is prosecution and jail
If her lips move she is lying. How can she sleep having caused so much damage to innocent people (victims)
Easily, when you appear to lack a functioning conscious
@@timhazeltine3256- *conscience. Numpty.
she tells herself that she did a good job. But we know different.
"How can she sleep", I would say Horlicks, but it's not funny considering the circumstances. I don't think she cares, SEP (Someone Else's Problem), in her eyes Horizon was perfect, don't anyone say otherwise. But she met her match in Mr. Bates, so it's now down to damage limitation rather than own up. Shocking. RIP to those who took their own lives or did not live to see justice
She can sleep easily, because like all sociopaths she could not care less about anybody else.
I am the hugest fan of Mr Jason Beer! He is utterly brilliant and I love to watch how he makes these awful people squirm!
You’re not. You are certainly behind me in the queue. 😉
@@dj_ray 🌻🌻🌻
What a despicable individual she is, words fail me, send her to jail.
Consequences. Probably for the first time in her life. Real real consequences are coming.
And she falls back into the only delusion she has; that business-speak and lying will save her.
I doubt it. White collar criminals don't do jail time regardless if it costs lives, especially now there's no empty cells. The company will probably get a fine which the customers will pay in increased costs, she will be put on gardening leave until she finds another position and she will get a generous pension. Even the proceeds of crime act won't apply because she didn't get extra money for her heinous acts. She'll sit through the proceedings because she has to and when it's over she'll no doubt pop a champagne cork or two. Ain't life grand?
@@user-se7es6uc8v I think the SPMs have set a red line on such matters.
No gardening leave. She left that job 4 years ago! 🤷♂️
Jail.
Exposed as a natural liar, immoral, selfish and greedy. Will justice prevail and will she pay for her crimes?
NO
All the anger and indignation in this country about this gross injustice………and what’s happening to put things right???
Unfortunately ALL these types of calculated public enquires have just proved to be an exercise to show us that they are listening to the people - but when have any of the guilty culprits ever payed for their crimes!
@@prakashmakwana6907 I am at a loss to understand why this is so in a fair and just society, which I believe it still is.
@@garymelnyk7910A fair and just society? Whatever gave you that impression?!
Truth , fairness and honesty seem to be the last thing these executives think about in their quest for bonuses, promotions and corporate adoration?
true in near all business and large organisations LOL
Including the nhs
This woman needs to be in jail ....period
I wonder if these people realise over 99% of the population want to see them in prison.
Bring her before a court not an enquiry. And then jail her.
Well done for calling her lies out
😊💗🙏
The headline is wrong. He did not lose his patience with her.
Can you imagine what it would have been like working with this horrendous excuse for a human being? Just do as i say and dont ask questions type. She needs jail time asap. Disgusting
Her flat affect indicates something very sinister. Devoid of empathy, should be in Rampton.
being devoid of empathy is why she was propmoted , most organisations love that trait in a person.
word soup --that's a great word!
Absolutely disgusting!
She’s horrible
At no point in this video did he lose his patience, he highlighted her bs, title your videos correctly
Lies and more lies jail time
Tip for anyone being cross-examined: if you don't want to come across as shifty or a liar, JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION.
It is now time for these criminals from the Post Office management and Fujitsu to be prosecyfor all th damage they have done to so many people !!!
Shame!
You are going so far down, down, down, down even the devil will struggle to find you….
Even he'll be opening the trap door for her to fall through.
Jail and withdrawal of all bonuses and pensions. Not a chance of that happening unfortunately.
Word soup didn't know anything but when put on the spot Mr Beer cornered her even when she was trying to spin or obfuscate.
PERJURY; the offence of wilfully telling an untruth or making a misrepresentation under oath.
The public need to see justice being served on these people not a telling off from a barrister .
Jail her
She's very cold hearted she doesn't care less about the guy that took his own life because of what they did to him and all the others postmasters and she was smirking when she came out of the inquiry they should all be in prison for what they did to the these ppl Sorry is not good enough it little to late for that they all knew there was no cases against the postmasters but they still went a head with it anyway how can they sleep at night rotten to the core
She's stupid to smirk. Every evasion or lie is obvious. She is damning herself every time she refuses to tell the truth. This is why I think lawyers are laughing at her
Really hope that is the case
Everyone of them at the top that knew this was happening but still denied it. All need to go to jail. The smugness of them all is astounding
This whole situation is absolutely horrendous. These people should be ashamed of themselves. People took their own lives over this as well as being vilified by their local community.
They really ought to be held accountable for their despicable actions.
I can’t believe they can live with themselves 🤬
I'd love to have a conversation with Jason Beer about what he really thinks about this procession of liars and incompetents.
When are these Post Office Executives going to be prosecuted, they are totally culpable in every instance of this injustice.
I would guess at about 12 to 15 months after the Inquiry has stopped questioning everybody. The Inquiry team will need time to write, vet and check its report before handing it over to any team of prosecutors.
NO loss of patience shown here!
Incompetence personified
Not incompetent but conditioned into a corporate robot. Protecting the brand at all costs. Even to the point of moral myopia. If you lie enough you start to believe that lie as fact and even defend it. The SPMs had no chance against that regime. Disgusting.
That's a peculiar way of spelling "malice".
Supposed to be a woman of God I don’t think so.
Lies.
That's the other one, but still...
Only on Sundays though !
Think that’s Paula Vennells but both liars
Why isn't prison a real prospect for those involved in this sickening injustice?
You have to be charged, prosecuted, found guilty in court, then sentenced... I am sure you know the drill.
Cos u in the uk !
It's striking that she can remember details when it suits her. Did she pay for legal advice on the "I can't remember" ploy? It must have been a great legal brain who came up with that defence strategy - same as the James Murdoch and Boris Johnson examples
Good !!! He’s a cool cuss!!! But can see she’s a lier and passing the buck! Both these women need a custodial sentence when the time comes, No mercy like they showed the post masters.
Jail awaits
...how did our country get to be like this?
Prison awaits!
An orchestrated litany of lies
I may not be the sharpest knife in the draw, but, if the post masters were somehow losing 1000s of pounds of presumably card payment monies, then where did it go to. Did someone with access to the system somehow spirit this all away and why isn't it traceable.
Prison prison prison the nation needs to see justice she needs to be convicted and sent to jail
What a horrible piece of work that woman is jail time should be coming
We should be able to call out what we see as rubbish, evidence or not. Because these people do not care and try to run circles with words.
Slithering out of it, no accountability. What a cile individual. People died, and lives ruined because of this person and many others.
No way should she be walking free .
I can't believe this is still going in slow motion. Pay up now!!!
They offered to buy silence on the condition of silence and staggered payments to ensure that the victims didn’t speak out on pain of losing the next payments.
She needs to be jailed.
See how her HR speak works in jail
Jail her now!! Justice for everyone
When are these people going to jail?
Jail time needed asap.
Peter Cushing should be questioning this witch!!!
Oh, Jason is doing equally well.
That would be quiet and smelly. Mr. Cushing has been dead for 30 years.
@@CubicSpline7713 FFS!!
Was it his version of Sherlock, Frankenstein, Van Helsing or Doctor Who that you had in mind?
Immediately after this, he got her to admit that it was entirely at the post offices discretion as to how to structure this payment.
Angela isn’t sorry, her opening words of an apology were just not meant at all. She’s probably still proud of her action
Words are magic. They can be used to make things disappear. This woman tried to weave a spell that would hide her complicity and partially salve her conscience.
She has a conscience?
Sick of this.
Blame the Post Office HR Dept for employing Pinocchio style managers
Not the first to lose their rag with this individual.
All she worried about was her career she didn’t give a dam about people in her way they are Cold And Heartless.
Crooks who will always escape jail as they make the rules
This is Jason Beer KC’s way of showing his irritation.
As barristers we are not supposed to be openly rude or provocative to those we are cross examining but sarcasm can slip in and it did here. There’s no jury, he’s not out to impress anyone, he’s there to elicit facts and stop people trying to speak b-s to the inquiry.
He called her out. Edward Henry KC and Sam Stein KC were far more outspoken as they were not the barristers acting for the Inquiry but for Core Participants such as the sub post masters. Their hands were less constrained than JBKC.
Sam Stein’s questioning of her was brilliant. He took no prisoners and loved telling her the high court judge in the civil proceedings hadn’t believed a word she’d said. The way he delivered it had me tittering!
...And while all those families were suffering , her and her lot were collecting bonuses !
I dont honestly know how some people look at themselves. And wasn't one of them some sort of preacher ! Astonishing.
Hoodwinked again...!
Good luck on putting this bunch in prison... !!
R.I.P. Justice...!!!!
I would not say he lost his patience here at all he calmly stated she was waffling…
They knew it was all wrong but did nothing, fake apologies, still no empathy or shame…..They all look guilty…..All covering their own backs….Prison.
Absolutely corrupt to the very core - this human IS evil.
Shocking, truly shocking
Lies
Gallows
Toothless government won’t prosecute her or her colleagues or anyone else complicit in this scandal. Remember, innocent people went to prison. Why is that acceptable, but sending van den Bogerd and Vennells isn’t?
Goverment run
How on Earth this Woman got the Job in the first place beggars belief as She hasn't got a clue about the job or position in the first place! Either that or she is just being Disingenuous or Evasive as She isn't fit to run a Post Office let alone the Whole Operation!
OMG I’m not a barrister or a corrupt judge but a blind man on a flying horse can see that she is a compulsive liar. I rest my case your honour 😁
LIAR liar liar and more lies. Should be in prison
Was she wearing pants at the Inquiry? Were there flames coming from her chair?
How this woman still walks free is one of life's mysteries.
"I was only following orders. Ethics were an alien concept to me. So what, if this destroyed thousands of lives and led to the deaths of truly decent folk? That was not my concern, and I never considered it."
Pusillanimous woman.
Lying to her back teeth.
Its an outrage that so many innocent people have been jailed with lives ruined and these guilty of gross negligence , you know will somehow get away with it
This KC is as sharp as a razor...and like a shark waiting to pounce well done sir well done
Based on what has been said by all of the Post Office management so far interviewed in this enquiry it seems the business was run by a mixed team of lower level "incompetents" and higher level "individuals" interested only in greed and covering up their own failings at the cost of innocent hard working people.
If this country still has the moral decency it has long been famed for, those responsible for this utterly foul cover up must be sent to prison. Not just for their own wrongdoings and the harm done to their innocent employees and their families, but to serve as a very clear warning for anyone in a very senior business position who would take the same route to cover their own backsides.
I hope she goes to Jail for her doings and lies told over the years in denying that there was nothing wrong with Horizon. Her and Vennels “MUST” not get away with this. “NEVER”
Word soup! What a fantastic question!
It wasn't me it was the process. Who decided the process? Oh that was me.
Bullying widows and the bereaved into staying quiet. Just disgusting 😮
She should face jail time along with all the others that knew the system had flaws, hid it and yet pushed forward with convicting post masters, some taking their lives. Set an example I say to show that higher management has a duty to speak up and see action to stop this type of thing happening again.
This woman is inhumane, and cannot accept responsibility in wat has happened to all of the Post Master's she needs to be locked up along with the rest of them
The sooner this hierarchy is jailed, the better. Alex Bellfield was jailed for using words. These people have wrecked postmasters' lives. The worst part is they won't even admit it.
I don't think it is possible for Jason Beer to lose patience. He just made the appropriate comment.
Hopefully these former Post Office Executives will experience the justice they so richly deserve.
These people were so bad to so many good, hard working and honest people and their families. They are the ones who should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves and they should be going to jail..
Mr Beer KC is a fabulous barrister.
Jason Beer KC is great. If I get in trouble I want him on my side.
Bang on lad
.maticulss and Accurat👌✔️
In my courtroom he could use "verbal bollocks" !