This Week: Homosexuals (1964) - extract
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This episode of acclaimed current affairs series This Week was the first British nonfiction programme about homosexuality, following reports on other ‘taboo’ subjects, such as abortion, suicide and drug addiction. This edition focuses on the problems encountered by gay men in British society, making comparisons with Holland, where homosexuality was not illegal and gay men could live freely without fear of arrest and imprisonment.
Bryan Magee, the presenter of This Week, interviewed over 200 gay men, getting in contact with many through the Albany Trust, before he chose several to take part in the programme. The gay men were brave in facing the camera, although they remain anonymous, enabling them to talk frankly and honestly about their experiences and sexual matters. Many of the interviews found their way into Magee’s book One in Twenty (1966). It was translated into eight languages and continued to sell well into the 1970s. This ground-breaking programme undoubtedly contributed to the campaign to change the law and decriminalise homosexuality, which finally happened in 1967.
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I meet my partner in 1964. I was 20 my partner was 25. We were together 48 years until he died of cancer. We were scared and never came out. We lived quietly and in secret for all those years. I miss him so much..
And now? Are you with someone else?
@@luma2172 I don't want anyone else
@@georgehenry6350 oh okay, but are you still happy anyway today?
george henry that’s incredible. God that must’ve been hard.
I’m so sorry you had to hide your love ❤️ you’re so strong
That news reporter in the 60s seems more accepting to homosexuality than some people today
Seems like he is really invested in the issue haha
Because we English invented the concept of modern buggary
@@ryucartel351 No, you'd be surprised how many people are homophobic. Go to Kirk Cameron's homosexuality. Look up "pastor homosexuality" and you'll find plenty. It's really upsetting.
Back then young homosexuals were forced to go to get therapy for liking the same sex,now were starting to accept any type of sexuality.We still need to improve and work on some other things,like trans rights.Either way I hope things get better.( Look Im not saying that gay/lesbian/bi/trans/etc guys/girls are still safe,theres still hate in the world).
@@ryucartel351 more accepting then people where I live
It’s nice to see a reporter from that time saying “for some reason it’s illegal”
for some reason? There's a plethora of reasons why it was illegal or frowned upon for thousands of years, it's a disorder, medically speaking, an erotic targeting error. Doesn't mean we should hate them or lock them up but it shouldn't be celebrated as a stunning and brave achievement. The line should probably be drawn at sodomy, be as gay as you want but don't engage in anal sex.
To me that remark is uncalled I'm sorry you have no pity or no thought for anyone😢
@@jalaneperry7643 i think they means it’s good that a reporter said “for some reason” meaning that the reporter doesn’t understand the reaosn and that’s a good thing
@@jalaneperry7643 what ??
@@jalaneperry7643 Are you dyslexic?
This actually seems pretty progressive for 1964, I’m surprised. The comments section in 2017 and 2018 is more homophobic then they even were in this video! It just goes to show how far we’ve come and how far we still have to go. 😒
Do you think people in the comment section of CZcams are being serious you stupid fuck? Ofcourse not!
its because the internet comment section has autonomous free speech (e.g. I can create a fake account and say whatever I want and you would not know who I was or if I was serious or not). Most who comment homophobic things are either:
- Trolls wanting to start an argument due to boredom or wanting attention
- think they are funny by using dark humour
- actually believe in the stuff
- being sarcastic but are very bad at it
And you can never tell
@@antoniolukovic3112 Very informative.
@@TristenTheArgonian Well as long as this kind of language is used..."stupid fuck" it`s obviously not hard to tell whether or not to take them as a serious human being behind that comment
@@elleryquinn1282 people say shit online to elicit a response. This is new?
Really feel bad for them having to live in the shadows like that.
Shaina Barnes Me too but we've sure come a long way since then.
The venerable bede
Sadly but true. Gay women are more accepted then gay men.
@The venerable bede I'm a gay black guy but I know that I have certain privileges that women don't have. Acknowledging someone's privilege is not attacking them. How you don't find similarities in the treatment of gay men, women, and people of color by society throughout history mystifies me
@The venerable bede Did I say that they have it worse? This is not a competition on who has it worse, but men in general have societal privileges that women don't have and that's just a fact
@The venerable bede Okay, good for you not thinking that there is a difference in genders, however there is a difference on how women are treated throughout the world. Its goofy to say otherwise, men obviously have privileges that women don't, look at rates of sexual assault, shame for their bodies, double standards on sex , they couldn't even drive in Saudi Arabia until a couple of years ago. The fact that we as men don't have to experience that IS A PRIVIGAGE. Earning something not from merit but because we were born with dicks.
I understand that this is important, but the guy being interviewed has a lovely voice
shut the fuck up
@@666obsesion SNOWFLAKE
@@666obsesion psycho
I agree, his voice is very soothing and calm
Well he's such a 'normal ordinary pleasant' person. Who else here wishes he was your Dad?
I never understood why male homosexuality was illegal but female homosexuality wasn't. Odd.
@overused palimpsest Tyrannical men and women who so happen to be straight mind you, not excluding gay or bisexual people who pretend they are heterosexual in public and contribute to creating homophobia in their respective countries; shagging guys in secret but passing anti-gay laws in my country for example. My second older brother is as straight as a brand new ruler, but is my best friend in the whole wide world, I love him very much. I got emotional typing this... 🌷
Its like the guy above said, in a patriarchal society usually men find it arrousing that women have lesbian sex, specially if they polygamy is allowed like it is in islam
I'm not sure what the people above me are talking about, but I'm 99% sure the real reason (at least in Britain) is that Queen Victoria didn't believe lesbians actually existed. I mean, before that a lesbian would likely have been burned at the stake under charges of witchcraft (as was custom for almost anything fun women wanted to do).
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Did anyone else find the reporter's dry humor hysterical? "Only a few dozen countries in the world [still outlaw homosexuality], but for *some reason* Britain is one of them."
I'm just baffled by how few countries at the time outlawed homosexuality, there are loads more today.
@@kaysmith8992 it's sad to think that today homosexuality is outlawed in almost 70 countries and many of them are actually increasingly homophobic
@@talete7712 and ironically homophobic because of colonial/Western influence. Makes me laugh when Asian and African countries think homosexuality is Western when their pre-colonial tradition was full of homosexuality until banned by the West 😂
@@kaysmith8992 this is what I’m saying!! As a Nigerian it pisses me off when my ppl reject the LGBT+ community as a “western import”. I understand the context of colonial history and how that plays into all this but queer Nigerians have always been here. I just wish we could let go of the fear and hatred.
He was fkn hilarious
I'm so glad I wasn't around in this era.. I'm black and I'm gay, I would have been so miserable...
life is short, death is real. needGod.com
Info Hub when no one asked
@@sunshine1965 No one asked you comment or reply ... It's a free country I can post what I want if you don't like it oh well... Good day.
BROTHA Jeff oh honey i wasn’t talking to you, i’m sorry!! i thought your comment was nice, i was talking to the person trying to preach under your comment.
@@sunshine1965 Oh hey you're right I apologize lol
Thank God that many of our Gay brothers and sisters decided to make a stand and be heard in the 70s! We owe so much to them, now, that we are more free to express ourselves..
disciple duSeigneur what happened to god loves all 😔😔
@disciple duSeigneur lol nah
@@park.vminnfuck5651 He does that's called natural consequence.
@disciple duSeigneur is it a sin for me to love women more then I love men
@disciple duSeigneur
Shut up you dumbfuck
YEA SEE GRANDMA YOUR GENERATION HAD GAYS TOO, STOP NAGGING ME AND MY GENERATION
@Stella Klespitz Pretty sure the Arabians didn't do that. And just because something is accepted doesn't mean it's moral.
@@thepianoman6958 you mean religion?
@@thepianoman6958
You mean religion?
Mikayel 🤭🤣😂
@Stella Klespitz True, but the Arabs wouldn't have been quoting the Bible. Moreover, homosexuality was tolerated in some of those cultures. ie Afghanistan.
This comment section is more homophobic than the video. Why do homophobes comment on gay videos?
Good point. and why do they watch them in the first place??
Homophobes seem to have a more invested interest in gay people than other gay people do.
@@CorvusCorax. It's like a Red Skelton joke, if anyone remembers him. He said the local bar went topless, so he went there to denounce it. For three hours.
being a very out and very proud gay, it's almost scary to think out what our forefathers had to go through. In some way we still go through this.
BigWillsDavey BTW, did you do your homework assignment? :)))
BigWillsDavey you're a Catholic and you wish the death upon someone else? Isnt that the 2 commandment to love and help your generation? I'm a happily gay teen and I even know that!!! youre a fake religious man.
Al C nice comeback❤❤❤👌👌👌👌🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈
BigWillsDavey well apparently ...it looks like you haven't found anyone to call your wife and I dont need you to get me with a girl, so just keep on preaching your fake shit cause no religious man behaves like you so dont come here your have preaching shit you two faced hypocrite. Have a nice day. Ohhh and dont like you own comments dont be full of pride be humble honey 😙😙😚😚
BigWillsDavey yes God still loves me for who I am and i don't need you're fake preaching to tell me and I'm not mad or anything, Its not cool to wish someone their death, a true Christian wouldn't do that , if u say you're a believer in Jesus Christ then imitate him and don't listen to others and dont respond and p.s. love is love and love never fails and love is never nasty. 🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈
I can't believe our gay dads had to go through this :(
@@nav4291 gays were killed and tourtured by the thousands simply beacuse people hated them for something they cannot control. Sound familiar? Blacks and gays have more in common then u might think. Not in terms of sexuality but in terms of the history of people hating us/ killing us/ torturing us/ thinking we are lesser beings then them. Sorry to say but y'all have been in the same damn boat as gays have been in since the begining and sadly to say not alot has not changed for either of us. So y are u even comparing what happend to blacks to what happend to gays? Yes horrible fucked up shit happend to blacks but horrible fucked up shit also happend to gays. Hate is hate no matter how small or big the offense so stop comparing. Just saying not trynna be rude or anything but yea have a nice day later!
My dad is homophobic, transphobic, etc. 😐
shinvergil777,
Yeah, he is. 🤨 He’s Christian, has a successful company, and has phobia for all lesbian and gay people. (Which I’m proud of.)
People should go to hell for hating people who like the same gender as themselves. It’s not fair at all, I can’t stand homophobia.
@disciple duSeigneur Why don't you ask Jesus to deliver you from the sin of judgement? You will be going to hell for not following that commandment btw. You sure know quite a bit about and concern yourself a lot with men having sex with men. Sounds like you're a bit hung up on it for some reason. People who are comfortable with themselves don't generally need to make statements like that.
I was born at the right time.
Look, I'm bi but you must be the most boring person and the most disappointing child to your parents. If being bisexual is such a massive part of your life that you feel the need to put it as your CZcams name, you must have very little going for you. I feel sad you people like you
@@dumbtruccc
CZcams isn't that big of a deal lol. My name is a reference to something, which starts conversations with others who know about it. My username could easily be something else, doesn't matter with me. Stop being so edgy and just let people live their life.
It's quite likely that the Sodomites who came to Lot's house thought the same thing... until they were struck blind and the fire came down.
@@TheMICMusicInspirationChannel
Yes, because that definitely happened.
The MIC - Music Inspiration Channel knock it off Julie. I don’t need you to tell me how fucking good my coffee is okay? I’m the one who buys it, I know how good it is. When Bonnie goes shopping she buys shit, I buy the gourmet expensive stuff cause when I drink it I want to taste it.
It’s 2019
And we still have no total freedom ! Look at Uganda , middleast , Jamaica , gays are treated horridly
Hell, I can still be fired or refused service in my state for being gay :/
And yet they say America is homophobic. Lol
Look at Alabama, south Virginia.
Middle Easterner here, things aren't going to change soon, since all ME countries either have death penalty or heavy imprisonment for homosexuals. :(
@@SkyZon I've lost hope for my home country
I am not gay but i wholeheartedly believe the same rights i have should apply to homosexuals. Including spousal benefits and equal rights as married couples. I mean what gives?! This matter should have already been sorted out a long time ago. 😊 live, love, and repeat.
No , enough of that degenerate nonsense being injected onto society. Enough is enough.
Watching this and reading some of these comments makes me wonder what an advanced alien race would think of us. They'd really see how backwards we are. Hating each other for who we are, being horribly divided over insignificant things.
Facts
I know right.
That's probably why they haven't come yet.
They might have flown around nearby but understandably would be turned off and head elsewhere. Humanity has delusions of grandeur but really is still quite primitive when it comes to living with a higher consciousness. Intolerance over different sexualities is just one of thousands of things an advanced alien civilisation would be turned off by.
The only thing backwards is in legitimizing and destigmatizing sexual degeneracy. Some perversions belong on the margins of society. There's nothing wrong with decriminalizing and tolerance. What's wrong is in glorifying it instead of acknowledging it is a perversion. A mistake of nature. You can legalize tobacco and alcohol but you don't have "Drinking Pride" and encourage more people to get drunk and smoke cigarettes.
Its impressive seeing the comments from 5 years ago being very staunchly in support, but you compare with the most recent ones and the ambivalence and even rejection is much more present.
We're living through wild times where fights assumed to be over are being brought up again. Incredible.
People like to act like we've progressed so much socially, but we really haven't. Some things might be granted to us, but the next day they can be taken away just as easily. That's why gay marriage has remained a constant wedge issue. The politicians WANT this. They want us divided so badly on social issues so we can blame our humble neighbors instead of corporations and the politicians they own.
It was never over. Just 10 years ago a strong majority of states in this country had laws banning gay marriage. President Obama and VP Joe Biden in their first term were AGAINST it, as were the people of blue California. It was overwhelmingly unpopular and failed democratically time and again in most states. Even in the ones that passed gay marriage it was overturned by voter referendum or bans were specifically added to state constitutions. The only thing that changed was the 2015 Supreme Court decision Obergefell in which 5 of 9 unelected Justices invented a constitutional right that had no basis in the existing constitution, and from then on nobody questioned gay marriage ever again.
Someone out there finds this all very profitable and wants us to keep fighting each other
Homosexuality was decriminalised in England three years after this film was made.
Living like this must've been so hard on one's entire existence. All dimensions of life are impacted. I'm glad that at least in the West, and even elsewhere in some parts of the world, we've come a long way. Today's freedoms should not be taken for granted.
shinvergil777 Stop. You do realize that being rude to others is also a sin? So tell me, what good was this doing?
@shinvergil777 Ooookaaay then. Well enjoy insulting people. I'll continue supporting people who want to be themselves. Sometimes, I gotta say it's not worth it
shinvergil777 u r not proving anything by giving into the so called “popular opinion” that u r trying to break free from. It is sad that u think people should look at things clearly and not go with the crowd, and yet you just being hypocritical by following the hate train. The step to a better/healthier society and future is acceptance and love, not hate and pride. Just cause your an atheist doesn’t mean you don’t succumb to the bitter teaching of the common and hateful small minded people that rid the earth with their cruel judgment.
@shinvergil777
It is not a mental illness you dumbass
I guess they have the wrong DSM lol.
This was filmed 2 years after my parents were married. Im thankful society has become more tolerant of homosexuality.
😂😂
@@AhmadMuath-xn2esdon't you have a child to molest, Ahmad? Keep gay people's name out of your mouth
This is comforting in the fact that this dialogue was happening in the 1960s. That was a truly revolutionary decade.
For all the wrong reasons.
@@javiervega1065What do you mean?
This was just three years before the law that partly decriminalised homosexual acts came into force. I imagine this documentary was part of the debate leading up to that.
In retrospect this was just one side of being gay on the 1960s presented through the eyes of the state broadcaster. Some of us know or have known men who were in happy gay relationships in those days, living together, with a circle of friends. They were not creeping around in the shadows feeling guilty.
They were living together, with a circle of friends, in communities FAR removed from the "normal" people. They were not creeping around in the shadows feeling guilty, so long as the police didn't come crashing through the door in a raid. Being second-class citizens was not a dignified way to live. They created their own communities because they had to; otherwise, they would have probably all killed themselves from the sheer rejection and hostility from the "normal" people.
@BigWillsDavey
First of all, learn how to write. Allow me to restate your hateful comment with correct grammar: "It should have been because of the shame they had brought on themselves and their family". Learn to a) capitalize the first letter of the first word of a sentence, b) use the word "themselves" ("there self" doesn't even exist), and c) learn the differences between there, their, and they're, and learn when to use each one.
Now, to answer your stupid, mindless comment... Educate and culture yourself; read up on famous figures and those that have contributed greatly to society and you will find that many of them have been homosexual or somewhere in the LGBTQ spectrum. Why, we might not even be having this heated exchange if it hadn't been for the contributions of Alan Turing, a gay English man considered to be the father of theoretical computer science and artificial intelligence!
He is just one of many examples, and people like him have still done good to the world despite ignorant idiots like you that have ruined their lives. Let me tell you this, though: people like you are often latent homosexuals, or have a gay child or close family member. When you do find out one of your children or family members is LGBTQ, get prepared for a lot of suffering, because if you don't accept them they will leave you forever and you will take the regret and suffering with you to your grave at the end of your miserable existence. Consider this a warning if you are wise enough to understand.
@BigWillsDavey
May your obstinance serve you well, you frickin' mule! Offending someone instead of educating yourself when corrected...sign of a true idiot :)
You give the example of ONE man, who, may I add, was severely beaten and abused (not sexually) by his father as a boy. How did you expect for him to grow up? A fully adjusted person after not being allowed to be who he was by a closed-minded, toxic person like his father (whom with I'm sure you have a lot in common with)? You are one of the most ignorant, closed-minded, obstinate, and truculent people I have ever heard from. Your comments and beliefs are completely wrong. People like you, including yourself, are the scum of this Earth. Be advised, however, that people like you along with your stupid, incorrect beliefs will be eliminated!
@BigWillsDavey
Now I understand where you're coming from. If you were a little bit more educated, you would realize that the source of your "facts" (the Bible) was: a) written by people, b) is a book filled with lessons, analogies, and general life advice, not "facts", and c) has been translated so many times from the original scriptures that the true meanings of the passages have been lost in interpretation.
If God made everybody, then LGBTQ people were surely made by Him as well. Let me tell you something, you closed-minded son of a b***h, you are not them, and therefore you do not understand them; you cannot understand something that you do not feel and are not living.
I too, believe in God, but not in the blind and ignorant way that you do. Prepare yourself to meet him when you die, because He will ask you how you treated the other people on this Earth that were also created by him.
I can talk about the bible too...and remember this passage: "Love thy neighbor as yourself". Don't come to me with the Bible if you do not practice what is in it, you false Christian!
@BigWillsDavey
First off (yes, I'm going to be a pedant because you deserve it) Roman Catholics fall under the umbrella of Christianity, so thanks for stating the obvious.
Nobody alive today even knows what REALLY took place in Sodom and Gomorrah. If you're bringing them up because of the fact that gay men sodomize each other, has it ever occurred to you that perhaps the word "sodomy" was simply borrowed from Sodom, but that sodomy was something that didn't actually take place there? Do, or did those cities really ever even exist in the first place?
Like I mentioned before, the Bible is a book of life lessons and advice, but it is full of analogies and parables that are figurative and not literal. Take Noah's Ark, for example. Do you really think that someone (on his own, mind you), would have been able to have built a ship large enough to hold at least 2 examples of EVERY SINGLE animal species on Earth?!? Or that the Universe, and everything in it, was created over the course of only 7 DAYS?!? WAKE UP!!!
I find it sad that your world is such a small box, one that was created for you. Every single religion does this, not just Catholicism. You really should read up on human psychology and sexual behavior, and you will discover so much.
Read about Alfred Kinsey and his discoveries on human sexuality. Read the lyrics to Mozart's canon "Leck mich im Arsch" that talks about anilingus. Read about Marquis de Sade and his wild fantasy book "The 120 Days of Sodom". Read about Theresa Berkley, inventor of the Berkley Horse, and all of the "deviant" (VERY intentional quotation marks) things that she indulged in. Read about the Sacred Band of Thebes, the elite force of the Theban army, that consisted exclusively of homosexual men, that were such fierce warriors because of their homosexual bonds. Read about things that the Romans and Greeks enjoyed, things that might even be punishable by law today.
You really need to wake up and learn about the world...
The law: NO GAYS!
Also the law: Lesbians are fine ig 🥰🥰🥰
I know they made an effort to hide him but if i knew that guy in real life i would have totally recognized him there, his silhouette and voice are not even hidden and although his face is in the dark, the right side of it (around the eyes, nose, etc..) is still pretty distinguishable. I hope it didn't get him in trouble
You'd recognise him if you were expecting him but generally if you're seeing someone talking on tv you're not thinking "Is this someone I know?".
@@Dekoherence-ii8pw on the contrary, of course you're thinking that
It's even worse if you watch the full documentary. There's one gentleman, I think he worked as a waiter, who was filmed only from behind. There was a scene of him walking down the street with the presenter and he turns to look at him and his face is clearly visible.
Then there was another interviewee from Scotland and his whole face is literally shown BEFORE he is shrouded.
@@NathanF11989 makes you wonder if the directors of the TV program didn't get some perverted excitment from "accidentally" outing them to stir up some drama on TV. This is infuriating
in 1964 I lived in a big American city and was in high school. I really didn't know what a queer (the word used by 'polite' society at the time) was. I honestly thought in 1964 that a queer was a dirty old man after children. I knew that I did not personally have any feelings like that as a gay teen ... but also knew I could talk to NO ONE about how I felt. I was one of the lucky ones because by the time I was in my early 20s gays were actually starting to be shone on tv and the movies as 'regular' human beings. You had to look long and hard for it ...but it was starting to changeIn my senior years now, i thank God I was born gay ... and got a chance to meet so many Wonderful gay people .My heart really goes out to the millions of gay American men and women who lived before the 1960s. Knowing, in many cases in rural areas, that so many lived lonely lives thinking they were the only person on Earth who had same sex feelings, while their heterosexuals friends and family were allowed to date, show affection in pubic and marry. .
@@atomicindependence7644
Fuck off
I find it disgusting that i would get such a hateful response from you after I wrote how sad it was for me as a child in the mid 60s to realize I had same sex feelings. You know, now that I am in my 70s I have grown, ... seen and learned a lot about people. It is a fact that anyone who is that homophobic in 2020 has got to be someone who is struggling with their own same sex feelings ... and not doing well to accept how they were born. I wish you good luck in your journey to accept your feelings
@I'mTheBadGuy&Threat toStraightMenMyNigga sorry ...my comment was actually meant for the idiot called @atoomic independence76 who posted above you
Since you were alive during that time, did you hear about what happened at stonewall in 1969 since gays finally got news coverage and what did you think about it?
@@dimthecat9418 HI, I was a young 20 year old at the time ... in the Army serving my country ... having to lie about my sexuality to show my country how loyal I was to America!! I love my country.
I actually went up to NYC and visited the Stonewall not too much before the famous riot of 1969. It was the first gay bar I had visited. It was so strange even for me to see men dancing together ..... dancing for God's sake, not have sex on the dance floor. Things that people born heterosexual just took for granted. ...So many years ago .... I was proud of the men and women that fought the cops in NYC back in 1969. They are true heros to me. We have come a long ways in our acceptance .... at least we have the laws in OUR, so for the real homophobes out there .... live with because that is the law!
I feel so bad for him as a former bisexual myself
Hopefully he found a good guy and made it to when gay marriage was legalized
I did just comment but I have to say this. Homosexual behavior has been documented in about 500 species, yet hate for it is only in one. Who is unnatural now?
We are very unnatural indeed. We really should just learn to mind our own business and let people love who they want. The only things that matter are that they are of age and that there is CONSENT.
CrayCray wolf well ofcourse there needs to be consent and the legal age but I'm not talking about sex. I'm talking about rights. We are *not* unnatural no matter what people say. But my question is, Why do you say we are unnatural. P.s. I was not saying straight people are unnatural, homophobes etc. are
Not hate so much as disgust.
The British government drove Alan Turing to suicide, and drove modern computing back 20 years. It would have been a different world had they just left him alone and given him the personal respect he deserved.
Thank goodness for that otherwise I would have grown up like these terminally online zoomers
I'm glad that videos like this are up online, and free for everybody to see. For me, it's a reminder of how far we've come as a community, and a reminder to never forget the struggles of those who came before us and the battles they fought to give us the freedoms and rights we have today. After reading some of these comments, I'm also reminded that we still have a long way to go.
I agree. We still haven't come along to accepting incest even though there is no rational argument against it.
@@richardsantanna5398 Having children that are retarded is a pretty good argument against it. You think its a good idea to be able to marry your mother, or father?
@@richardsantanna5398 lmao what
@@m.r4770
Whachu mean what? Do you have a rational argument against it?
@@richardsantanna5398 yes?? its gross, replaces normal family bonds with sexual/romantic ones and if you have kids with your relatives they'll have problems. please go to therapy
this is insane. I can't even imagine the awful daily trauma of living like this. It's amazing that this is so recent too.
I would go to jail back then.
Wow, only illegal in half a dozen countries!? I would never have guessed, though I know it was legal in Sweden, my country, at this time. The double standard for men and women is also bizarre… is it that lesbian sex is not considered “real” sex by some, or not “as real”? 🤔
It makes me think of Beatles manager Brian Epstein around this time in Liverpool.
Sadly he died one month before homosexuality became allowed
Fascinating! Thanks for uploading.
as an androgynous bisexual girl who's mostly into girls, I'm glad to be living in the time that I am, and I'm proud of how far the LGBTQ+ community has come
@disciple duSeigneur stop begging for attention
@disciple duSeigneur
Fuck off
disciple duSeigneur can you let’s us just fucking live? Fuck what god says
@disciple duSeigneur my girlfriend says hi
@disciple duSeigneur no need, she treats me like a queen. In fact way better than my ex-boyfriend. I why would I leave someone who treats me perfectly and understands me better than anyone, just because they're a woman. Before I met her I thought relationships had no point and life sucked. Why would I leave someone that completes me just cause you to want me to? How about you let others be happy and stop assuming stuff about their relationship.
Three years after this interview they legalized male gay relationships.
That's nice, but they have left their homophobic legacy all across the Commonwealth.
very empowering for gay men to be the most feared by church, military and government.
Absolute class report. Incredible to know this was made 60 years ago.
0:34 did he just say homosexuality is illegal in only 6 countries? It’s illegal in like 13 countries today, what did it go up? Can someone explain?
Homosexuality is *NOT* illegal IN the PHILIPPINES!!
Not by a long shot😊
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Lady Boys are *plentiful!!*
it's illegal in 67 countries today actually
Most places were still in the empire at that time. A significant period of independence took place around this time also. May go some way to explain why a lot of those places still retained anti homosexuality laws that were in effect and carried over from empire at their time of independence in the 60s
@@danielgarbutt2493I said this 3 years ago but thanks that makes sense
This is a good example why many Americans consider the British to have a more sophisticated culture than us Americans.
I think the part that bothered me the most was 0:27
That was my favorite part.
Savage Waifu stop
It's shocking that, even now, after so much progress has been made, his comment about being caught up in "sordid matters" with "elderly, unpleasant men" is still regrettably common in the gay community, where a lot of that old hookup culture still lingers and makes it difficult for queer folk to form healthy, stable relationships. Older men who chase around younger men are so common they're called "Captain Hook", referring to the old pirate who's always chasing the eternally youthful Peter Pan. It's so beautiful that, despite all that, he still managed to find someone who was "Reasonable, ordinary, pleasant, mature, and normal, and who was queer", because, contrary to popular prejudice, that last trait is in no way incongruous with the others.
The queer bashers, religious types who hate us and just the ignorant, uneducated bigots don’t see this side of things. Those of us who had to break the law just to keep living. Those in the armed forces who were sacked and lost their pensions etc just because they were being themselves. Such prejudices still exist and anyone who defends us is considered woke.
Look at you, all the typical name calling, and slanderous if people don’t agree with how you get down.
@KaKA-mt2ei i mean it isn't slander if it's an observant pattern of behavior that you prove us right every single day
@@Crackcocaine91991 I feel ill and sick that you contacted me, go and contact those who can stomach u for a second
@@KaKA-mt2ei oh yeah? You feel ill? I guess putting a self reflective mirror at you would make anyone with a conscience be sick. You finally see what others see you as. Hopefully it finishes the job so we have less projectile diarrhea
Nice early footage of the great Bryan Magee, the interviewer. He also wrote an influential book looking at the subject which many believe helped get the law changed in England. He was not himself gay, incidentally.
Does anyone knows where i can watch the whole thing?
Check bio
In the united kingdom.
I'm so sad . Imagine two people loving eachother but can't be open about it because they are both the same gender. It makes me cry . I read a fanfiction about this and it made me cry so hard . I'm sorry for the lgbtq community that lived in that era it must of been horrible .
@I'mTheBadGuy&Threat toStraightMenMyNigga And? Gay men also helped.
Can you drop the name of the fanfic and where you read it?
@@SpaghettiDetective. somebody to love on ao3🏃its taekook
@@mr.centrist5789 and women
@@icanbethe14u Not really.
What about guys or girls who wanted to express their feminine or masculine side. Would they be bullied or harassed for it. Some may accept them some may not.
For girls they could do it easier then guys.
But in every generation their is gonna be hate and acceptance. One obviously now but still.
My mother is okay with girls dressing more masculine and stuff but says guys look bad dressed more femininely
And I’m just
W h y.
@@matilde_5 wow thats kinda double standards
@@matilde_5 damn, double standards
They go jail in the 60s , I didn’t know this till watch a movie , about ww2. Then in Britain, homosexuals, were jail and chemically castrided
Before dating apps and computers it seemed so impossible to meet other gay people. Terrible. Even now it's only possible through gay apps or events or clubs. You cant just go hit on someone and expect a nice response. Back then it's even worse and possibly lethal depending on who was hit on
Homosexuality between women is legal, but not for men..... well, doesn't that tell you everything you need to know about the men making the laws 🤔😆
For anyone who is homophobic, may you please explain why. I do not want to argue I want a discussion
@Daniel Davies why cant people just not reproduce overpopulation is a big problem
@Daniel Davies no over population is def a problem deminishing recourses and shit
@Daniel Davies But there are people who wish to be single, and married couples who don't want to get kids or can't make them. Are they not supposed to take part in sex? Is accepting them also nihilistic?
This is very informative and gives an amazing view of a young person in a whole different time. Lots of people think of past generations as old farts but the truth is they were young jus like us and jus as uncertain about the future as we are
love this, but there was way more than half a dozen countries where it was illegal in the 1960s. Hell, there's still 7 countries today where it's punishable by death, not to mention the 30 or 40 some others where its punishable by jail time.
Fantastic video, very interesting and a bit despair-inducing to see so many people back in those times were oppressed so horribly. I'm so glad we've come this far.
Too bad about AIDS though :(
My biggest flex is that my nanny supports LGBTQIA+ 😎
I’m biggest Flex is that I’m Bi and have managed to avoid lemon bars, I don’t even know what they look like.
This really shows how quickly society changes, for better or worse.
I hope islam doesnt makes Britain go back to this state
This was why my mother cried when I told her I was homosexual because she came from England and at this time homosexuality was a crime but she still love me just the same and now that she's passed away I dedicated my life to just taken care of her and losing her was the hardest thing❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
That is very moving and powerful. You are a very loving offspring.
@@brianarbenz1329lol
Watch again from 2:02 till the end. You'll realize the need to break gay stereotypes, which are even prevalent today.
Heartbreaking!
At least my grandmother accepted homosexuals and the others
@ 0.55 Here's what a bit tragic - I still do this. All the time. I'm 40, so I grew up in a slightly more liberated era, but the 80s and 90s were still very tough. It's strange that I still do this. I wonder if I can ever break out of the habit
Sad that back then they had to not show his face like it is on current day 3rd world countries with Shuria Law.
@Xavier Smith no we won't, fuck off
Agreed
Now, today they are completely normal in society. We've come a long way.
That's is terrible having to live in the dark and keeping your guard up.
I think one of the reasons why people didn't hate gay people in the 60s was because of the hippie rebellion and people at this time we're just living there best life and didn't care
I love gay people
we love u too!
I love me too!!!
Thank you! I appreciate the support and love you too!
"in practice i know [marriage] is not going to be any part of my future" 💔
Homosexuality is a pain in the arse.
Made me spit out my drink with this one
My girlfriend's son is a homosexual.
So glad I can just be my pansexual self! I'm so sad for people who lived in those times.
Yea! We're so lucky! Pan gang
🤣🤣🤣
@@melissaann1401 What's funny?
@Omar S This is to pansexual people what the attack helicopter is to trans people. One joke.
Same here❤!
‘In Britain alone, there are at least 1 million men and 1 million women, who are homosexual’ 😆
This is peak journalism. Lemme try
**clears voice and uses odd olden speak pattern**
‘In my neighborhood alone, there are at least 10 men and 10 women, who are pet owners’
🚶🏾♂️🚶🏾♂️
Britain has contributed so much to the world. Everything from The Beatles to The Homosexual.
Underrated reply
For a second I was thinking, wait is he talking to himself? But there is a slight difference in the voice.
Is that Piers Morgan at the beginning
No
The British have been progressive about buggary for centuries
Best video ever completely agree
Hold up the gay guy was blurred out like that? That's so fucking sad holy shit 🙃
I wonder where the guy in the video is nowadays considering gay marriage has been legalized since 2015.I wonder if he lived long enough go see it.
This isnt the US
@@francoisdaureville3232014
That was a real bummer
I want to watch the whole thing.
As a straight man who has several gay friends I voted for same sex marriage in 2015.Ireland created history by being the first country in the world to bring it in by a majority of 64%.
The Netherlands was the first country to legalize gay marriage in 2001
This coming from a place where the Royals are revered and they are as fruity as it gets
Well I'd rather be in hell burning 🔥 with someone I love than in heaven praying for the "lOrD"
Wow this reporter is pretty progressive! I wonder if he's had any impact on how gays are perceived in Britain nowadays
To think their all probably dead now
I'm not a homosexual .. only my boyfriend is !
I do rarely get stereotyped as an feminine gay person just cause I'm bisexual, but I'm the opposite mostly of feminine XD
Wdym
@@Gel985 The stereotype of "gay people are weak" just because guys who would be bottom would be considered weak and all.
I'm 63 and exhausted I feel 103. Rachel thank you for everything you've done being born gay and realizing it and coming out over and over and over again is the hardest thing you can imagine on this planet. I was people understood how dehumanizing stigmatizing living in this planet with people talking like this about you all of the time It causes so much trauma I can't even go into it. But thank you Rachel God bless you if there's a God. I keep talking to John Lewis and John McCain and all them that went to heaven Pray there's Jesus of some sort. I knew that they usurped the Bible. I'm so glad I've been a lifelong Democrat and I followed Jimmy Carter that was my first vote out the gate and when Reagan came along I was just made me sick and my whole family has shunned me and fought me my entire life they died I wish they could have been alive to see this crap going on then I could have really rubbed it in and go see I told you I was born gay. 😊😊 So many people with their golden handcuffs, can't say nothing I have to repress everything about myself cuz they won't accept me. To live like that it's a lie it's the most transactional love you can ever do not telling the truth I remember when I was younger I used to think I don't care I'm just going to tell Jesus what I feel and forget the whole world I wish I could have done that but I let it hit me too and I got sucked into the cult and I'm suffering to this day because of it's a cult. But it seems to be mass cult all over the world. It's a feature honey It ain't a bug. Oh Rachel I don't know if you're ever going to get this message cuz you have so many people writing you. But guess what, My father was born in 1933 he lived under Hitler he immigrated here to in the '60s I was born in 62 Lord he was an abusive man and he died when I was 17 I had no clue what anything had happened yet. Yes our last two or three generations were the silent generation not only silent but they told you to lie I refuse to lie....I love you Rachel 💖 thank God for you. 🙏😇👆 I'm here in Austin Texas
Wish that reporter could see the results of our cultures acceptance.
1964 was a great year in the UK 🇬🇧
Was that the year of decriminalization
@@rennydesu
Nah. That was a time when there were no childish video games.... and adults acted like adults.
@@donarthiazi2443 uhhh okay. I don't think there were childish video games in the 70s either lol
Only mature games like Pong and space invaders.
Just think, that only *5 years* after this interview *technology* was so *advanced* that the US went to the Moon & landed....Then launched from the MOON and landed back on Earth. However, over half of a CENTURY later the US *(or ANY country with an advanced Space program)* doesn't have the *technology* to do it again😂
I met somebody who was reasonable ordinary plesant to mature,but he was straight.
Every time for a gay man
It's a pity that nowadays, in some countries it is still punishable...
A shadow is no place to live
Makes you so grateful to be born in the time period we’re in now. How heartbreaking to hear him say that things like marriage, family or even having a home weren’t going to be part of his future. It’s sad to think that there are still LGB people (regarding sexual orientation) living in countries in places like Africa & the Middle East who face imprisonments or death for simply being gay. 😕
tell me these punative laws were always bigoted
made up bullshit without telling me.
"homosexuality between women is perfectly legal"
Lmao
West was always so progressive