I love how Mike isn't a huge marketing company. I don't feel like I'm being sold anything just being educated. Having produced lots of videos for companies and having quite crappy hearing myself, I was able to hear the entire video with the volume turned up and paying attention. BUT, Mike, you might want to do a couple of takes where the entire world isn't crashing around you while your recording. It would have taken just another 5 minutes .
Very helpful video despite the poor audio. Best explanation of the advantages of a Panhard bar for classic mustang suspensions. This should also work for Falcons since the 1965 Mustang was essentially a Falcon underneath.
Great video. In my opinion most Watts links have roll center adjustability making them somewhat superior to a pan-hard bar. I think the difference comes in price and ability of the driver, most drivers won't ever use their cars to the full potential. I bought SORT watts link but looking back and 800dlls poorer, I could of achieved the same results with a cheaper pan-hard bar.
Lowering the rear roll center does not cause the weight to push down on the rear tyres. It is exactly the opposite. It forces the front suspension to roll further that it would have normally causing it to take more of the weight transfer. End result being rear end remains more equally loaded than the front, giving it more grip. The end result is still the same as he predicted but Professional companies like this should understand and explain how suspension works better than they do.
Yeah... I talked to some of the mustang road race guys... the had a lot of issues using a panhard bar...turn good one way and not the other...they all went to watts link.. but what ever.. ive ran to panhard bar cars and one with watts link.. I'll stick with the watts link
@@I_like_turtles_67 yeah.. I had a PHB in mind.. adjusted perfectly and is worked great.. just not as good as a watts link...the Watts like was a pretty significant difference..you definitely should watch more videos watts links.. but if you just on the street keep the PHB.. My car out.. grew it..!! Also they are super easy to adjust..
Also the jacking forces on a Watts link theory is wrong. If both links run parallel at some point in their travel (normally at ride height) and the links are the same length then the jacking forces of each link perfectly cancel each other out.
Question, if you relocate the leaf springs inward can this panhard rod and rear sway bar kit still be used? Also if you have any input on leaf spring relocation in terms of handling. My car is a street/track want-a-be and am trying to stick a larger rear wheel on the car. 1966 Mustang. Thanks
But your price is the same as the upgraded BMR watts link and way more than most setups. And have never heard of hour name brand. Probably because of the price.
I know this comment is old..... But if you haven't heard of Mike, you don't autocross or follow the ultimate street car challenge. Mike's was beating 150k pro touring cars with his old 66 mustang years ago. With a old carbed 5.0 motor and a 4 speed. With a stockish suspension in the mid 2000's. That 66 mustang has morph into one of the best known cars in the country. He runs neck and neck with some of the best shops in the country. Like Detroit Speed Enginering.
I love how Mike isn't a huge marketing company. I don't feel like I'm being sold anything just being educated. Having produced lots of videos for companies and having quite crappy hearing myself, I was able to hear the entire video with the volume turned up and paying attention. BUT, Mike, you might want to do a couple of takes where the entire world isn't crashing around you while your recording. It would have taken just another 5 minutes .
Very helpful video despite the poor audio. Best explanation of the advantages of a Panhard bar for classic mustang suspensions. This should also work for Falcons since the 1965 Mustang was essentially a Falcon underneath.
Great video. In my opinion most Watts links have roll center adjustability making them somewhat superior to a pan-hard bar. I think the difference comes in price and ability of the driver, most drivers won't ever use their cars to the full potential. I bought SORT watts link but looking back and 800dlls poorer, I could of achieved the same results with a cheaper pan-hard bar.
You're correct.. And I've proved on the track.
Lowering the rear roll center does not cause the weight to push down on the rear tyres. It is exactly the opposite. It forces the front suspension to roll further that it would have normally causing it to take more of the weight transfer. End result being rear end remains more equally loaded than the front, giving it more grip. The end result is still the same as he predicted but Professional companies like this should understand and explain how suspension works better than they do.
Thanks from an s197 owner
Yeah... I talked to some of the mustang road race guys... the had a lot of issues using a panhard bar...turn good one way and not the other...they all went to watts link.. but what ever.. ive ran to panhard bar cars and one with watts link.. I'll stick with the watts link
They didn't know how to tune suspension then. Which is funny because setting up a watts takes more time and adjustments.
@@I_like_turtles_67 Watts link also has a higher roll center. PH rod is the superior option. Period.
@@I_like_turtles_67 hahahaha... wrong.. they definitely knew what they were doing..
@@thepwee No problems with my car on mike's MMI suspension. Swaping over to a full floater too. Keeping PHB in the rear.
@@I_like_turtles_67 yeah.. I had a PHB in mind.. adjusted perfectly and is worked great.. just not as good as a watts link...the Watts like was a pretty significant difference..you definitely should watch more videos watts links.. but if you just on the street keep the PHB.. My car out.. grew it..!! Also they are super easy to adjust..
Also the jacking forces on a Watts link theory is wrong. If both links run parallel at some point in their travel (normally at ride height) and the links are the same length then the jacking forces of each link perfectly cancel each other out.
Do you have that kit for us Falcon guys!!!! 1960-1965
panhard doesnt work well with hydraulic suspension. 14 inch ride height difference. the panhard pulls axle as it goes up
Question, if you relocate the leaf springs inward can this panhard rod and rear sway bar kit still be used? Also if you have any input on leaf spring relocation in terms of handling. My car is a street/track want-a-be and am trying to stick a larger rear wheel on the car. 1966 Mustang.
Thanks
That would be great whats a good email and phone number to contact?
vince@mikemaierinc.com or (925)-443-6300. Thanks for the question!
good vid but bad audio
How does it ride with air ride
I need a hearing aid. I would've been interested in this but I don't have one.
I couldn't hear a word
But your price is the same as the upgraded BMR watts link and way more than most setups. And have never heard of hour name brand. Probably because of the price.
I know this comment is old..... But if you haven't heard of Mike, you don't autocross or follow the ultimate street car challenge. Mike's was beating 150k pro touring cars with his old 66 mustang years ago. With a old carbed 5.0 motor and a 4 speed. With a stockish suspension in the mid 2000's. That 66 mustang has morph into one of the best known cars in the country. He runs neck and neck with some of the best shops in the country. Like Detroit Speed Enginering.