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This isn't a copy, this is the modern rogue channel. Notice the name highlighted and the check mark after his name. If it was a copy the comment wouldn't have these things. Oddly enough Brian is not scamming you.
I'm not a murderer but I know this one, go to a graveyard, find a freshly dug grave, dig a little deeper, put the in there, cover with sand, run away. Or go on tumblr they have a wide variety of solutions. Please be aware I am not condoning crime of any sort, I am just saying this from my experience as a writer.
@Brian O'Kongkohr - They should have shown some counters which would leave the assailant without an eye or one of his fingers or with a dislocated elbow.
@Brian O'Kongkohr - Yeah, good points. I was thinking more along the lines of an unskilled wannabe assailant who wouldn't be prepared for a counter-attack to an RNC. But since this kind of attack would rarely be with a single attacker anyway there probably would not be much hope with multiple assailants.
@Brian O'Kongkohr- Wow, it sounds like you have delved quite deeply into it in your life. I studied karate for several years way back in my 20s but did not continue after repeated injuries and maybe a change in personality. I have thought now that jiu-jitsu or even judo would have been a better and maybe longer lasting life choice. I am big enough and remember enough that I really don't worry about confrontations but these days there is the ever present danger of handgun armed assailants and I live in a state where a concealed carry permit is very difficult to get.
@Brian O'Kongkohr I feel the exact opposite. I like these things are out, especially how to take down someone who's bigger than you. Specifically because I and a woman, who is already at a biological disadvantage in terms of height, weight, and reach. And walking home at night is scary.
@@garzascreek there's one like 2 liked from my house, it's annoying to wake up to. I never got my permit, I honestly hope my shit works. Only fly house break in though. Don't need a permit if it's a burglary, but they're had to be probable signs of your own life being at risk. Nobody robs without some type of weapon though, so, blast em brains
Great now I know how to counter fit money, how to commit credit card theft, how to break locks, how to DDoS, how to scam people, how to hijack TV and radio station, and of course how to properly do butterfly knife tricks. And when the FBI comes and breaks down my door I know how to make flashbangs, properly shoot a gun, how to make smoke bombs, and make gase masks. And then when I'm eventaly thrown into prison I know how to make prison wine, armor, and several different types of weapons and then when those weapons break or I loose them, I know how to take some one down then properly choke them. Thanks for teaching me every thing I need to know to proceed with a life of crime. Yes I know there are about 1000 comments like this.
Love the shoutout to Dan Gable, who is an absolute legend in American and arguably worldwide wrestling history. I only done wrestling before in high school, but love seeing how different martial arts influence and overlap each other. 👊🏽
8:00 I thought Mr. Tai was passing out when he was closing his eyes and was like "Jason Murphy is going to jail and gonna escape using the spoon-spear"
Interesting, I always learned that a blood choke is more effective because while the air chokes are more painful, blood chokes restrict the blood the brain is getting and get you unconscious much faster.
You're not wrong but what i notice about this choke is that it allows you to maximize your power by concentrating you force, then adding a anchor point(the off hand) to which you can place on their back and increase the force applied.
it's a safety thing, this move is a very lethal blood choke if you don't practice safely. Plus, they showed a blood choke last time and I guess they wanted to shake it up. The gable grip alone was worth the episode honestly. More people need to know that.
That first grip he showcased can be very effective, but you have to have the right technique: He puts his left arm on top of Brian's head, which accomplishes nothing. Instead, you're supposed to put it BEHIND the head, and push forward, hunce pushing the chin of the victim down, and as per Newton's third law of motion, the head is forced up, putting strain on the neck (kind of like a hanging man, where the noose pulls his head upwards). Now, this effect is small, but it is there. Second thing: You have to make sure that you have your elbow crease right infront of the windpipe, this may sound counterintuative, since it gives air free passage through the pipe (the windpipe is not so compressed with this technique.) When you have secured the right position of the elbow crease, you squeeze, and you tension your bicep as much as possible. This cuts off the flow of blood to the brain via the two jugular veins in the victim's throat. The pushing forward of the left hand's primary purpose is to push the throat into this "V" shape formed by the right arm, to cut off the flow of oxygenated blood to the brain, knocking you out in a time somewhat proportional to your current oxygen consumation (which would be very high in a fight, and hence, knock you out very fast.)
From a judoka to someone who clearly knows what they're talking about, that's exactly right. The "gable grip" is a control technique. A proper rear-naked-choke is multiple times more efficient. Puts them to sleep in three to five seconds, and I can attest to that.
Thank you! His choke is an air choke, a proper rear naked choke as described by you is an arterial choke. No fresh blood to the brain equals losing conciousness. Choking a person out using air takes as long as they can hold their breath. Good in a match but way waaaay worse in a self defense situation.
@@augustuswayne9676 well what he actually said was that the common way people try to choke is an incorrect application of a rear naked choke, but he never said the rear naked choke was ineffective. Also the whole point of this episode was to show an air choke because they did a blood choke the last time
Rick Arbalest yeah i train judo and bjj but i was very surprised when this black belt mentioned “its not very effective,” like what??! When has a locked in hadake jime not been effective??
Although I know who clark gable is, I still like how you explained the joke. You should keep doing that with jokes/references not everyone will get. Great video again guys!
Awesome gable grip is useful in many positions. Cool breakdown of the Gable grip! I used this all the time wrestling in high school. My teammates would ask me why I don’t open my thumbs as they showed in the vid. I just explained that the thumbs are like a 5th finger in the grip and with the thumb separated it was basically a four finger grip.
A totally useless chock unless you plan to seriously damage someones throat. You also must hold it for a long time to incapacitate the person. The rear naked choke squeezes on either side of the neck interrupting the flow of blood which causes the person to pass out within seconds.
That's a Hollywood thing. So it warrant addressing. I so agree. Our school teaches sliding the hand behind the head. Done right , I do t give up a armbar. But I'm a blue belt so I still make mistakes lol
I disagree with that part when he says that the choke in wich you hold your bicep is less effective, when done right it is actually the most effective one. When you choke using the forearm it does hurt more but it actually doesn't choke as fast (if at all) as the ''classical'' one, it works great when you are trying to tap your training partners, but if for some reason you have to put someone to sleep you will be less effective. The guy, as a black belt, should know that the arm in wich the bicep is held (left arm in case of a right handed choke) is supposed to sit BEHIND the head of the opponent, not ABOVE. After that, you use your head and left arm to push foward while trying to bring your right arm closer to your own throat .
Gato Preto Absolutely agree. It really makes me question the legitimacy of his rank and system. Also I feel that the rear naked is also a better standing choke as far as self preservation and ability to maintain.
The rnc is a pulling choke and is best applied on the ground when you gain back control. Its easily defensible by simply tucking the chin into the space in the inside of the elbow of the person doing the choke.
@@joshuaburgess4158 nope , tucking the chin will not prevent the choke, what would happen (unless the person trying to apply it is way too weak) is that the chin will be pushed back resulting in the choke or even the dislocation of it (not that i've seen that last one personally). You can defend from it effectively by not letting your opponent get both arms together, simply hold one of his arms with yours and put one of your arms in the way (gotta be fast), after that you will have to turn your body to the side (not easy) so you can free yourself, and if you were on the ground you would have to, somehow, get rid of both ''hooks'' on your legs firstly and then turn .
@@joshuaburgess4158 run the top of your thumb down around the neck, it closes that space fast making your rnc deadly. Defending is the same but you must be on point. And for me each time they defend one arm I do the same with the other which then I cc'd an put my shoulder more into it so I can choke with one arm if needed. Although that's hard, and risky as hell lol.
@@willianyano8596 chin tuck works on all opponents. But it's a time things. Unless your strong as a ox your not dislocating a jaw. Tuck the chin pull down on the choking arm. Works every time. You put a arm out to be in the way it will get trapped by a leg then both attackers arms are free to go back to work.
I'm really confused as to why they're advocating for an air choke. Like I'm not a BJJ practitioner but I know for a fact that blood chokes work way faster at putting someone to sleep and this is the one and only time I've seen a BJJ video advocating for an air choke...
If you do an esophageal choke, it takes very little pressure to crush your windpipe. Good to know for self defense, but they will suffocate to death. Blood choke or artery choke is much safer to train, quicker, more effective and more variable.
Yea, as a jujitsu practitioner I can tell you that a properly applied blood choke takes about 3-6 seconds to make a person black out. An air choke on the other hand is very painful but in the heat of a fight where adrenaline and anger is involved I NEVER want to rely on pain to stop an assailant, I want to completely incapacitate them. An air choke will take as long as it takes for them to suffocate, maybe as much as 30-60 seconds.
If I'm justified in utilizing deadly force I'm doing an esophageal choke. Once you crush their windpipe you can even let go and move onto someone else. They won't be worried about anything but breathing at that point.
@@mikeduke57 are you aware of what PCP can do? What if they have a gun you didn't know about? They could be in terrible pain hardly able to breathe and about to die and still pull out a gun and shoot you. If you want to crush the esophagus fine, why not have them passed out first tho? To be honest all this is kinda meaningless unless you train a lot because in the heat of a fight you aren't going to be making a choice about which one to use, training will kick in and you will choke them somehow and move on. Whatever works to keep you alive is what you should do
@@seanmcfarland7058 I was a cop for 12 years. I'm very aware of what drugs can enable people to do. But breathing is king. I've never seen a person who couldn't breathe manage to pull off anything other than trying to breathe again. Priorities. Even people who have simply had the wind knocked out of them have great trouble fighting through that. And I've trained my ass off for 29 years now and a lot of that training involved making use of force decisions under stress. Something most people don't do that is critical.
@@mikeduke57 Well actual experience is important, and you do have more than me. I will take your word for it. The thing that makes me thing along those lines seeing a man take six bullets to the chest/lungs and still last for a good 60 seconds before he started losing his will to fight. Thank you for your service by the way.
I just find your channel a few days ago... I can't stop watching. You guys are hilarious together, but you also show respect and have really good questions. Thanks for all your hard work!
When he was talking about the arm snap in the rear naked choke, that was the first thing my brother told me when we were training. My arm now never goes fully out. I put my arm in before the lever arm goes and I snap into it providing shock effect
Jason's reaciton is really funny, but it's also a great, I mean GREAT example of how incredibly efficient this choke is. Because the instant Brian got into the choke, Jason just simply wasn't able to continue. "I wish - *going down silently"
That was a brilliant video. Great balance of information and humour. And that ending had me crying. There was nice in-depth explanation of what was going on, which was helped by you guys explaining your own insights on what was happening. Didn't mean to end up writing a review, but would rate 8/8.
English longbow men were so good at killing French infantry that the French declared that all captured longbow men were to have both their index and middle fingers cut off so they could no longer nock an arrow. When the English discovered this, they would show the French the two fingers to let them know they still had them as an insult. It was so effective, that people began using the gesture on everyone they disliked. We Americans took a short cut and only gesture with the middle finger. Rogues, teach us how to shoot bows and crossbows or make one from common stuff!
Yes, it's possibly not true since there is no evidence to support it and longbow men actually need three fingers to nock an arrow. But, the V gesture is only seen as offensive in the history of English and Welsh cultures which lends credit to the legend. And, I believe historically, documenting offensive gestures wasn't a proper area of study for gentlemen and scholars. Lack of evidence is not proof of a counter theory. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_sign
I've been a fan of this show for a super long time and just saw Brian's show on Penn and Teller. That was amazing!!! All I knew about his stage career before that was a random comment from the 419 video about his shows.
As a five foot female you actually have the height advantage in a street fight. If you learn a system with emphasis on body mechanics (remember how they could feel each others intent on the sword episode, basically that) then you'll be golden. Not only can you deliver more power in a strike from a shorter range, meaning you can get close and inside someones reach and still hit hard, but you also have a lower centre of gravity, making it easier to off balance bigger people like how Brian off balanced Jason almost immediately. Speaking from experience, when I first joined the gym I go to, an eleven year old girl stood with a fist raised, while a 6'3" man weighing 19 stone put all his weight onto it. She was not only relaxed, but giggling at him. My instructor is much shorter and weaker than me (I'm 6'2") but fighting him is like attacking a statue or being hit with a tornado.
Totally disagree. There are few natural advantages as significant as a height/reach advantage, but that's why martial arts are so important, it's because you can bridge that gap with skill.
Oh you can definitely overcome those disadvantages with proper training (by which I mean a system that has live drills, light sparring and realistic movement, as opposed to the punch the air and dead drills where you leave your fist out for a counter McDojos), but I was talking about a fight with an average untrained person. Your average short person I can easily deal with using size and strength, but someone well trained can use my height and weight against me. Equally, I've had to learn how to protect and move around my centre line, and also how to create distance and "give up" an arm sometimes to do that. One advantage of a long reach is if you know how to, then you can use someone grabbing your arm to give you distance.
As a short guy, being short is not really an advantage in a fight. You can hit with closer to your full power at a short distance, but chances are, especially if you're light, you're not going to be hitting with huge amounts of power at that distance. For reference, have done much full contact sparring with and without strikes.
6:06 "We haven't gotten to that episode yet" Dang it Brian now you HAVE to make an episode about raising and slaughtering a goat for it's delicious meat.
My big argument with this is if you're using this for self-defense you're going to be crashing someone's windpipe so either you're going to kill somebody or you're going to let go and the person still going to be really pissed verse if you do the rear naked choke correctly and cut off the two carotid artery's they'll go to sleep because of lack of blood flow let go after their asleep and run away you're good for about 10 seconds
I don't think that the choke is collapsing the windpipe, but rather closing the airflow. And while I agree with the fact that you're probably not going to see somebody pull this off if another party instigates a situation requiring self defense, the issue with the choke itself being ineffective shouldn't be an issue. A choke pulled off correctly would give way more than a 10 second window, blood choke or not, especially in Gracie Jiu Jitsu.
Theres another version of th his ratchet choke. Lots of people I have trained with call it a short choke. You do the ratchet but get your elbow inline with the opponents chin just like the rear naked. This guy has some little details though. If I end up choking someone it's because I had no choice. I train to do blood chokes first. Air chokes seem to happen when you have less control. But in only a blue belt so. I'm no expert.
I used to watch Hacking the System until it got cancelled. I thought you disappeared until I found you on CZcams. I'm so happy that I can watch your stuff again!
Disagree with this guy... His version of the "incorrect rear naked choke" was wrong. Its a blood choke bicep cuts off carotid on one side and forearm cuts it off on the other side, furthermore the hand not doing the choke doesn't simply rest on top of the head but should be pushing the back of the head into the choke... Super effective... within 6 seconds.
technically there are two different ways to do the RNC (rear naked choke) the pain/air pipe way, that they were shown, which can cause damage. or the bloodstream way, where you cut off blood to the head and it makes them pass out, which is not damaging.
hes just doing an air choke that makes your windpipe feel pain thats why they are tapping but they dont turn red, blood chokes are better and a black belt saying that its incorrect is baffling
Meh, its a little bit of blood joke going on there too. Could just be me but I have a better success rate with the short choke than full rear naked. It could be because my arms are very long and its easier for guys to defend the rear naked or other factors such as my limited experience but the gable grip choke presents itself many times where rear naked just isn't there for me. Maybe that was his point.
@@blakm3105 I hope you like fundamentalist fairy-tale cults that exploit your sense of guilt and manipulate you using ideologies that cater to wishful thinking.
I got a question for you astrophysicists, God is not real, you state this as fact correct? Well then, what is your theory as to how the universe was created and if you subscribe to the big bang, where do you think the elements, no matter how small or compressed they may have been, came from? You got the answers as to whether God exists or not so surely you got something better in mind to help us normies cope with this shit show happening on Earth? I was a determined and unmovable atheists until I became suicidal and felt so empty from the raw deals life brings us that I was ready to check out and in my desperation I cried out to my father in Heaven as I perceived him and found comfort to carry on. I know for a fact I am stupid and I am not saying I am a born again Christian but I would like to hear your guys theory, what gives your life purpose? If there is no God, you are the final judge and jury on what is right, wrong, or necessary. What gives you motivation to get out of bed assuming we are senseless animals with no direction, no soul, no place, and no future beyond our mortal coil? I am only going by what you say, that there is no God, so I would like to hear what's your alternatives? Seriously, maybe you can talk some sense into me. In your opinion, what is the origin of the universe and how are you positive that "God" can not exists in this infinite celestial sandbox? Thanks in advance.
But a normal rear naked is a blood choke, it chokes you out in about 3 to 5 seconds, an air choke might be more painful, but if you can tough it out you won't go out for a while depending on your lung capacity. Wouldn't you want to choke the guy out as fast as possible?
I love how the modern rogue went to a bjj club for what is essentially a judo lesson, and the instructor got it wrong - when using the hand in the elbow method your other hand should go behind theiy head, essentially creating a guillotine, not on top of his head. The reason the coach thinks its weaker is because he was doing it wrong. Furthermore going deeper round makes it a strangulation (on the arteries) rather than a choke. Strangulations are far quicker as they prevent blood going to the head. The hand behind the head method is more efficient and much quicker.
I love how all these folks say, "What if......" Guys this is just a tool in the tool bag. If one tool is wrong for the application then you use another one. That is why you get trained with an instructor and learn all these techniques or tools in your tool bag, then practice them under a supervising instructor. You can do all the YT watching you want but at some point you're going to have to practice it with someone. Learn the tools and practice them in a controlled environment and be safe. Thanks for sharing guys. Best Wishes n Blessings. Keith Noneya
It's a choke that restricts oxygen rather than blood flow so it depends on the constitution of the opponent, but still, a surprisingly short time as all your strength crushes the trachea
about 30 seconds to a minute is when you get full effect of someone passing out from what i can work out... but kinda also depends how long someone can hold their breath as its the lack of oxygen that causes them to pass out...
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The Modern Rogue copis
This isn't a copy, this is the modern rogue channel. Notice the name highlighted and the check mark after his name. If it was a copy the comment wouldn't have these things. Oddly enough Brian is not scamming you.
Maynase3 [NERD] are you an idiot look at the comment they said "copis" so he\she corrected it
The Modern Rogue lol the end, get shit on bruh xD
hidden code plox?
"I wish-" Imediately ascends into Heaven.
Next time on the modern rogue: how to hide the body.
Stay tuned
Jason Murphy lol
That would actually be interesting, I'd definitely watch it
I'm not a murderer but I know this one, go to a graveyard, find a freshly dug grave, dig a little deeper, put the in there, cover with sand, run away.
Or go on tumblr they have a wide variety of solutions.
Please be aware I am not condoning crime of any sort, I am just saying this from my experience as a writer.
The laundry powder technique is my personal favorite...
"I wish..."
-Jason Murphy, 2017
I read that comment JUST as that part came on
Made me watch the full video, was gonna skip the last min. Totally worth reading comments! thx! =))))))))))))))))
Not even it’s “I wish- umph-“
Shhhhh....sleep
How the gable grip can save your life and end someone else's
@Brian O'Kongkohr - They should have shown some counters which would leave the assailant without an eye or one of his fingers or with a dislocated elbow.
@Brian O'Kongkohr - Yeah, good points. I was thinking more along the lines of an unskilled wannabe assailant who wouldn't be prepared for a counter-attack to an RNC. But since this kind of attack would rarely be with a single attacker anyway there probably would not be much hope with multiple assailants.
@Brian O'Kongkohr- Wow, it sounds like you have delved quite deeply into it in your life. I studied karate for several years way back in my 20s but did not continue after repeated injuries and maybe a change in personality. I have thought now that jiu-jitsu or even judo would have been a better and maybe longer lasting life choice. I am big enough and remember enough that I really don't worry about confrontations but these days there is the ever present danger of handgun armed assailants and I live in a state where a concealed carry permit is very difficult to get.
@Brian O'Kongkohr I feel the exact opposite. I like these things are out, especially how to take down someone who's bigger than you. Specifically because I and a woman, who is already at a biological disadvantage in terms of height, weight, and reach. And walking home at night is scary.
@@garzascreek there's one like 2 liked from my house, it's annoying to wake up to. I never got my permit, I honestly hope my shit works. Only fly house break in though. Don't need a permit if it's a burglary, but they're had to be probable signs of your own life being at risk. Nobody robs without some type of weapon though, so, blast em brains
Great now I know how to counter fit money, how to commit credit card theft, how to break locks, how to DDoS, how to scam people, how to hijack TV and radio station, and of course how to properly do butterfly knife tricks.
And when the FBI comes and breaks down my door I know how to make flashbangs, properly shoot a gun, how to make smoke bombs, and make gase masks.
And then when I'm eventaly thrown into prison I know how to make prison wine, armor, and several different types of weapons and then when those weapons break or I loose them, I know how to take some one down then properly choke them.
Thanks for teaching me every thing I need to know to proceed with a life of crime.
Yes I know there are about 1000 comments like this.
+Bob_Bobington omg we're all on a list.
+The Modern Rogue you guys need to do something on tax evasion, this list seems incomplete.
Hell yeah HAHAHAHA
there are few comments as well-thought-out as yours, though
you, kind sir have the strongest concentration of meme
Please, more episodes at Aces Jiu Jitsu Club. I love these ones.
John Rivs You can just say these. "these ones" is redundant like saying this's.
Glad you like them!
Learn some moves off your back since that's really useful.
Agree
definitely my favorite segments!
"oh no, i wanna choke Brian, i wanna choke Brian!!!"
easy there Jason xD
Smooth transition.
"I wish-"
Love the shoutout to Dan Gable, who is an absolute legend in American and arguably worldwide wrestling history. I only done wrestling before in high school, but love seeing how different martial arts influence and overlap each other. 👊🏽
Damn Brian was fucking ready to choke Jason out
I'm alarmed at how eager he was.
His manic laughter could be the last thing you hear one day. That or "Wow".
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Mikal looked like he's seen this situation play out several times, and it never gets old.
#truth
8:00 I thought Mr. Tai was passing out when he was closing his eyes and was like "Jason Murphy is going to jail and gonna escape using the spoon-spear"
Heh. That guy is tough.
jason: I wish---immediately regrets life
that face was pure gold XD
it was a
"SHITSHITSHTI!" face XD
Totally
"I wish..."
- The late Brian's little brother's last words
Interesting, I always learned that a blood choke is more effective because while the air chokes are more painful, blood chokes restrict the blood the brain is getting and get you unconscious much faster.
raphael beinhauer I think they said that in the blood chokes episode.
You're not wrong but what i notice about this choke is that it allows you to maximize your power by concentrating you force, then adding a anchor point(the off hand) to which you can place on their back and increase the force applied.
Nathan Woo You can do that with the blood choke too. That's the way we practice it.
raphael beinhauer The blood choke if done incorrectly could kill the person you are practicing with.
it's a safety thing, this move is a very lethal blood choke if you don't practice safely. Plus, they showed a blood choke last time and I guess they wanted to shake it up. The gable grip alone was worth the episode honestly. More people need to know that.
"I'm pushing his head onto my sword... onto my sword... onto my sword..."
This got raunchy...
Watching Jason try to choke Brian only to be dragged away by the instructor fucking kills me.
Damn blue guy is skilled when he chokes the other trainers it looks like their faces implode XD
Yeah! You can see the experience in his moves
when you think about it, some dudes train choking people for ages.
Its a bit concerning xD
Blue guy lol.
@@kritsadventures
I mean. He's literally black and blue.
Because he's the choke master.
He's advanced black belt
That first grip he showcased can be very effective, but you have to have the right technique:
He puts his left arm on top of Brian's head, which accomplishes nothing. Instead, you're supposed to put it BEHIND the head, and push forward, hunce pushing the chin of the victim down, and as per Newton's third law of motion, the head is forced up, putting strain on the neck (kind of like a hanging man, where the noose pulls his head upwards).
Now, this effect is small, but it is there.
Second thing:
You have to make sure that you have your elbow crease right infront of the windpipe, this may sound counterintuative, since it gives air free passage through the pipe (the windpipe is not so compressed with this technique.)
When you have secured the right position of the elbow crease, you squeeze, and you tension your bicep as much as possible. This cuts off the flow of blood to the brain via the two jugular veins in the victim's throat. The pushing forward of the left hand's primary purpose is to push the throat into this "V" shape formed by the right arm, to cut off the flow of oxygenated blood to the brain, knocking you out in a time somewhat proportional to your current oxygen consumation (which would be very high in a fight, and hence, knock you out very fast.)
From a judoka to someone who clearly knows what they're talking about, that's exactly right. The "gable grip" is a control technique. A proper rear-naked-choke is multiple times more efficient. Puts them to sleep in three to five seconds, and I can attest to that.
Thank you! His choke is an air choke, a proper rear naked choke as described by you is an arterial choke. No fresh blood to the brain equals losing conciousness. Choking a person out using air takes as long as they can hold their breath. Good in a match but way waaaay worse in a self defense situation.
Rick Arbalest he just wants to make judo look better than it actually is .
@@augustuswayne9676 well what he actually said was that the common way people try to choke is an incorrect application of a rear naked choke, but he never said the rear naked choke was ineffective. Also the whole point of this episode was to show an air choke because they did a blood choke the last time
Rick Arbalest yeah i train judo and bjj but i was very surprised when this black belt mentioned “its not very effective,” like what??! When has a locked in hadake jime not been effective??
man, the self defense episodes are my favourite. very entertaining and informative! :)
So glad you dig 'em.
Although I know who clark gable is, I still like how you explained the joke. You should keep doing that with jokes/references not everyone will get.
Great video again guys!
I think the best thing was they they turned a pretty cheap pun into a visual joke. People generally don't do enough visual jokes.
Jason is always so surprised by how many details go into making deadly techniques work
Awesome gable grip is useful in many positions. Cool breakdown of the Gable grip! I used this all the time wrestling in high school. My teammates would ask me why I don’t open my thumbs as they showed in the vid. I just explained that the thumbs are like a 5th finger in the grip and with the thumb separated it was basically a four finger grip.
I love it how they are still beeping out the swear words. They are teaching kids how to do 99 sorts of illeagle stuff but swearing ain't one :D
Richi Skinner those eagle
Richi Skinner will somebody think about the children
ill eagle
I've got 99 illegal tricks up my sleeve, but a swear word ain't one.
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A totally useless chock unless you plan to seriously damage someones throat. You also must hold it for a long time to incapacitate the person. The rear naked choke squeezes on either side of the neck interrupting the flow of blood which causes the person to pass out within seconds.
For the rear naked the other hand goes behind the neck, not on top of the head.
That's a Hollywood thing. So it warrant addressing. I so agree. Our school teaches sliding the hand behind the head. Done right , I do t give up a armbar. But I'm a blue belt so I still make mistakes lol
I don't know where this dude got a black belt from. His RNC is absolute shit...
I disagree with that part when he says that the choke in wich you hold your bicep is less effective, when done right it is actually the most effective one.
When you choke using the forearm it does hurt more but it actually doesn't choke as fast (if at all) as the ''classical'' one, it works great when you are trying to tap your training partners, but if for some reason you have to put someone to sleep you will be less effective.
The guy, as a black belt, should know that the arm in wich the bicep is held (left arm in case of a right handed choke) is supposed to sit BEHIND the head of the opponent, not ABOVE. After that, you use your head and left arm to push foward while trying to bring your right arm closer to your own throat .
Gato Preto Absolutely agree. It really makes me question the legitimacy of his rank and system. Also I feel that the rear naked is also a better standing choke as far as self preservation and ability to maintain.
The rnc is a pulling choke and is best applied on the ground when you gain back control. Its easily defensible by simply tucking the chin into the space in the inside of the elbow of the person doing the choke.
@@joshuaburgess4158 nope , tucking the chin will not prevent the choke, what would happen (unless the person trying to apply it is way too weak) is that the chin will be pushed back resulting in the choke or even the dislocation of it (not that i've seen that last one personally).
You can defend from it effectively by not letting your opponent get both arms together, simply hold one of his arms with yours and put one of your arms in the way (gotta be fast), after that you will have to turn your body to the side (not easy) so you can free yourself, and if you were on the ground you would have to, somehow, get rid of both ''hooks'' on your legs firstly and then turn .
@@joshuaburgess4158 run the top of your thumb down around the neck, it closes that space fast making your rnc deadly. Defending is the same but you must be on point. And for me each time they defend one arm I do the same with the other which then I cc'd an put my shoulder more into it so I can choke with one arm if needed. Although that's hard, and risky as hell lol.
@@willianyano8596 chin tuck works on all opponents. But it's a time things. Unless your strong as a ox your not dislocating a jaw. Tuck the chin pull down on the choking arm. Works every time. You put a arm out to be in the way it will get trapped by a leg then both attackers arms are free to go back to work.
another episode of brian and jason chocking eachother! :)
Stefan Nilsson choking*
Also, choking is something you do on food. They're strangling eachother.
english grammar isnt my strong side
:)
in my head choking made more sense, and i thought it was spelled "strangeling" :P
1:46 "it's too late" 😂
Damn not everyday you could get a lesson on kil... uh, I mean practical self-defense.
Dave Null you have multiple ways to -kill- perform self defence now we need -how to hide a body- how to win at hide and seek
Can you combine this with philosophy to also create political self-defence, not just practical?
Qwertyduck "how to win at hide and seek" I love it!
@@SianaGearz I was thinking the same thing.
I'm really confused as to why they're advocating for an air choke. Like I'm not a BJJ practitioner but I know for a fact that blood chokes work way faster at putting someone to sleep and this is the one and only time I've seen a BJJ video advocating for an air choke...
Are you sure you watched that right? What you’re saying doesn’t match up with what I remember being told.
The Modern Rogue maybe 🤷♂️
If an assassin ever goes to choke me to death, I'll replay this video in my head as I lose consciousness.
If you do an esophageal choke, it takes very little pressure to crush your windpipe. Good to know for self defense, but they will suffocate to death. Blood choke or artery choke is much safer to train, quicker, more effective and more variable.
Yea, as a jujitsu practitioner I can tell you that a properly applied blood choke takes about 3-6 seconds to make a person black out. An air choke on the other hand is very painful but in the heat of a fight where adrenaline and anger is involved I NEVER want to rely on pain to stop an assailant, I want to completely incapacitate them. An air choke will take as long as it takes for them to suffocate, maybe as much as 30-60 seconds.
If I'm justified in utilizing deadly force I'm doing an esophageal choke. Once you crush their windpipe you can even let go and move onto someone else. They won't be worried about anything but breathing at that point.
@@mikeduke57 are you aware of what PCP can do? What if they have a gun you didn't know about? They could be in terrible pain hardly able to breathe and about to die and still pull out a gun and shoot you. If you want to crush the esophagus fine, why not have them passed out first tho?
To be honest all this is kinda meaningless unless you train a lot because in the heat of a fight you aren't going to be making a choice about which one to use, training will kick in and you will choke them somehow and move on. Whatever works to keep you alive is what you should do
@@seanmcfarland7058 I was a cop for 12 years. I'm very aware of what drugs can enable people to do. But breathing is king. I've never seen a person who couldn't breathe manage to pull off anything other than trying to breathe again. Priorities. Even people who have simply had the wind knocked out of them have great trouble fighting through that. And I've trained my ass off for 29 years now and a lot of that training involved making use of force decisions under stress. Something most people don't do that is critical.
@@mikeduke57 Well actual experience is important, and you do have more than me. I will take your word for it. The thing that makes me thing along those lines seeing a man take six bullets to the chest/lungs and still last for a good 60 seconds before he started losing his will to fight.
Thank you for your service by the way.
The Modern Rogue: Where you can learn to make mixed drinks, and learn to choke out your friends if they insult your bartending skills.
You should make knives out of mower blades
You should make mower blades out of knives.
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I just find your channel a few days ago... I can't stop watching. You guys are hilarious together, but you also show respect and have really good questions. Thanks for all your hard work!
MORE CHOKING !!
MORE CHOKING !!
- Jason Murphy, 2017
Without watching the video just jump to 5:12
Holy shit that's funny.
"Once you've wrestled, everything else in life is easy" - Dan Gable.
When he was talking about the arm snap in the rear naked choke, that was the first thing my brother told me when we were training. My arm now never goes fully out. I put my arm in before the lever arm goes and I snap into it providing shock effect
Jason's reaciton is really funny, but it's also a great, I mean GREAT example of how incredibly efficient this choke is. Because the instant Brian got into the choke, Jason just simply wasn't able to continue.
"I wish - *going down silently"
9:24
*gets choked out.*
*And then proceeds to congratulate his attacker.*
Seems legit.
The last minute of that may be favourite thing you've shot yet. I've now watched it three times.
"I wish..." gone :D
I like the coordination between coach Mikal and the cameraman
7:20
"headbutt me"
*taps out*
"alright"
xdddd
Can you guys bring back the robot voice that narrated the title at the beginning of the video?
It's not gone, I just forgot about it this week.
Sweet! Appreciate the response!
Grinning like an idiot at the last scene there. Great work!
+Khazon93 thanks man!
Coach Ty wiping tears from his eye's - "thats how you know its a good choke" my gf accross the room -"SEE! he gets it"
Nice hittin 401K TMR
**high fives** thanks for spreading the word!!
This is legit my favorite channel. I used to watch scam school 24/7 and now I've watched almost all the episodes on this! It's just freaking amazing.
+Trey Clark thanks man-- help spread the word!
The teacher's facial expression ( forgot his name ) is just like it's ok you're getting choked it's ok. xD
Joshua Bosman I always whisper "shhhhh... shhhhh.... no more tears...just dreams now..."
yeah xD
That was a brilliant video. Great balance of information and humour. And that ending had me crying.
There was nice in-depth explanation of what was going on, which was helped by you guys explaining your own insights on what was happening.
Didn't mean to end up writing a review, but would rate 8/8.
" I wish... _gurgle gurgle gurgle_ " ~Jason Murphy 2017
Trainer : You sound like you're singing at a jazz club
Jason : (in his mind : oh I hate jazz) Oh that's horrible
English longbow men were so good at killing French infantry that the French declared that all captured longbow men were to have both their index and middle fingers cut off so they could no longer nock an arrow. When the English discovered this, they would show the French the two fingers to let them know they still had them as an insult. It was so effective, that people began using the gesture on everyone they disliked. We Americans took a short cut and only gesture with the middle finger. Rogues, teach us how to shoot bows and crossbows or make one from common stuff!
but the greeks loved cock.
Phallic symbolism could mean a lot of things. Middle finger is obvious.
that's a myth, it's not actually true.
Yes, it's possibly not true since there is no evidence to support it and longbow men actually need three fingers to nock an arrow. But, the V gesture is only seen as offensive in the history of English and Welsh cultures which lends credit to the legend. And, I believe historically, documenting offensive gestures wasn't a proper area of study for gentlemen and scholars. Lack of evidence is not proof of a counter theory. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_sign
T Robert whul comedy lecture is where I heard that first. It was the pluck u that used the middle finger which then turned into f ck you
I've been a fan of this show for a super long time and just saw Brian's show on Penn and Teller. That was amazing!!! All I knew about his stage career before that was a random comment from the 419 video about his shows.
"I wish..." *gets choked out* -Jason Murphy 2k17
HOW DOES THIS CHANNEL NOT HAVE AT LEAST 1 MIO. SUBS YET?
Cause I'm a modern ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAOIUAOAUAOUOAUAAGUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (no matter what the episode is about always gets me hyped)
Lots of chemistry between the 5 of you. Keep this going!
As a 5' female I'm super stoked to know this
Right on! Hopefully you'll never have to use it.
As a five foot female you actually have the height advantage in a street fight. If you learn a system with emphasis on body mechanics (remember how they could feel each others intent on the sword episode, basically that) then you'll be golden. Not only can you deliver more power in a strike from a shorter range, meaning you can get close and inside someones reach and still hit hard, but you also have a lower centre of gravity, making it easier to off balance bigger people like how Brian off balanced Jason almost immediately. Speaking from experience, when I first joined the gym I go to, an eleven year old girl stood with a fist raised, while a 6'3" man weighing 19 stone put all his weight onto it. She was not only relaxed, but giggling at him. My instructor is much shorter and weaker than me (I'm 6'2") but fighting him is like attacking a statue or being hit with a tornado.
Totally disagree. There are few natural advantages as significant as a height/reach advantage, but that's why martial arts are so important, it's because you can bridge that gap with skill.
Oh you can definitely overcome those disadvantages with proper training (by which I mean a system that has live drills, light sparring and realistic movement, as opposed to the punch the air and dead drills where you leave your fist out for a counter McDojos), but I was talking about a fight with an average untrained person. Your average short person I can easily deal with using size and strength, but someone well trained can use my height and weight against me. Equally, I've had to learn how to protect and move around my centre line, and also how to create distance and "give up" an arm sometimes to do that. One advantage of a long reach is if you know how to, then you can use someone grabbing your arm to give you distance.
As a short guy, being short is not really an advantage in a fight. You can hit with closer to your full power at a short distance, but chances are, especially if you're light, you're not going to be hitting with huge amounts of power at that distance. For reference, have done much full contact sparring with and without strikes.
Are we actually going to get the Falconry episode that Jason said he was working on?
Nathan Staley It's taking a while to get all of the elements lined up.
Jason Murphy I don't think I've been so excited to see one of your videos
"Great, now to try that on my little bro" said everyone
OMFG Jason! "I wish..." aaaaaand done.
For anyone saying this choke is not effective this is the same choke khabib used against mcgregor.
i fckin died at the part were Brain said are u chocking yet? araruguaglrlg
6:06
"We haven't gotten to that episode yet"
Dang it Brian now you HAVE to make an episode about raising and slaughtering a goat for it's delicious meat.
Never watched such comedic yet educational material. Props!
My big argument with this is if you're using this for self-defense you're going to be crashing someone's windpipe so either you're going to kill somebody or you're going to let go and the person still going to be really pissed verse if you do the rear naked choke correctly and cut off the two carotid artery's they'll go to sleep because of lack of blood flow let go after their asleep and run away you're good for about 10 seconds
I don't think that the choke is collapsing the windpipe, but rather closing the airflow. And while I agree with the fact that you're probably not going to see somebody pull this off if another party instigates a situation requiring self defense, the issue with the choke itself being ineffective shouldn't be an issue. A choke pulled off correctly would give way more than a 10 second window, blood choke or not, especially in Gracie Jiu Jitsu.
Theres another version of th his ratchet choke. Lots of people I have trained with call it a short choke. You do the ratchet but get your elbow inline with the opponents chin just like the rear naked. This guy has some little details though.
If I end up choking someone it's because I had no choice. I train to do blood chokes first. Air chokes seem to happen when you have less control. But in only a blue belt so. I'm no expert.
I used to watch Hacking the System until it got cancelled. I thought you disappeared until I found you on CZcams. I'm so happy that I can watch your stuff again!
:-D spread the word!
"Notice, he chokes faster with me."
This is the best channel of all time, I can't wait for Fridays just to watch more Modern Rogue.
Disagree with this guy... His version of the "incorrect rear naked choke" was wrong. Its a blood choke bicep cuts off carotid on one side and forearm cuts it off on the other side, furthermore the hand not doing the choke doesn't simply rest on top of the head but should be pushing the back of the head into the choke... Super effective... within 6 seconds.
I usually go from gable to RNC
Hence the "INCORRECT rear nake choke".
Do it right and it is less than 1 second.
I've had strong guys put me in that choke and muscled through it. If you have willpower 6 seconds is enough shake loose.
@@javascriptkiddie2718 Then they did it wrong. And your struggle in the last 2 seconds is a lot weaker than the struggle in the first 2 seconds.
technically there are two different ways to do the RNC (rear naked choke) the pain/air pipe way, that they were shown, which can cause damage. or the bloodstream way, where you cut off blood to the head and it makes them pass out, which is not damaging.
hes just doing an air choke that makes your windpipe feel pain thats why they are tapping but they dont turn red, blood chokes are better and a black belt saying that its incorrect is baffling
Meh, its a little bit of blood joke going on there too. Could just be me but I have a better success rate with the short choke than full rear naked. It could be because my arms are very long and its easier for guys to defend the rear naked or other factors such as my limited experience but the gable grip choke presents itself many times where rear naked just isn't there for me. Maybe that was his point.
Why did CZcams unsubscribe me from this channel? from all channels actually
For all the people trying to rewind to "I wish..." 11:35
Your welcome
It's like when Sam Jackson gives that speech in Deep Blue Sea.
Watching you guys learn how to "beat eachother up" is highly entertaining. More please!
I keep tapping but god wont answer
I feel you bro
@Mister Physics hope you like fire
@@blakm3105 I do like fire just not being in it but yeah god is not real
@@blakm3105 I hope you like fundamentalist fairy-tale cults that exploit your sense of guilt and manipulate you using ideologies that cater to wishful thinking.
I got a question for you astrophysicists, God is not real, you state this as fact correct? Well then, what is your theory as to how the universe was created and if you subscribe to the big bang, where do you think the elements, no matter how small or compressed they may have been, came from? You got the answers as to whether God exists or not so surely you got something better in mind to help us normies cope with this shit show happening on Earth?
I was a determined and unmovable atheists until I became suicidal and felt so empty from the raw deals life brings us that I was ready to check out and in my desperation I cried out to my father in Heaven as I perceived him and found comfort to carry on. I know for a fact I am stupid and I am not saying I am a born again Christian but I would like to hear your guys theory, what gives your life purpose?
If there is no God, you are the final judge and jury on what is right, wrong, or necessary. What gives you motivation to get out of bed assuming we are senseless animals with no direction, no soul, no place, and no future beyond our mortal coil? I am only going by what you say, that there is no God, so I would like to hear what's your alternatives? Seriously, maybe you can talk some sense into me. In your opinion, what is the origin of the universe and how are you positive that "God" can not exists in this infinite celestial sandbox? Thanks in advance.
But a normal rear naked is a blood choke, it chokes you out in about 3 to 5 seconds, an air choke might be more painful, but if you can tough it out you won't go out for a while depending on your lung capacity. Wouldn't you want to choke the guy out as fast as possible?
Rob kankerboef agreed! and safer for all involved.
I love how the modern rogue went to a bjj club for what is essentially a judo lesson, and the instructor got it wrong - when using the hand in the elbow method your other hand should go behind theiy head, essentially creating a guillotine, not on top of his head. The reason the coach thinks its weaker is because he was doing it wrong. Furthermore going deeper round makes it a strangulation (on the arteries) rather than a choke. Strangulations are far quicker as they prevent blood going to the head. The hand behind the head method is more efficient and much quicker.
A judo lesson?
I love how all these folks say, "What if......" Guys this is just a tool in the tool bag. If one tool is wrong for the application then you use another one. That is why you get trained with an instructor and learn all these techniques or tools in your tool bag, then practice them under a supervising instructor. You can do all the YT watching you want but at some point you're going to have to practice it with someone. Learn the tools and practice them in a controlled environment and be safe. Thanks for sharing guys. Best Wishes n Blessings. Keith Noneya
I watch every episode with my dad
Nice!
Isn't that choke called: hadak jime (naked choke) in judo?
But, how long does one need to choke another with this technique for them to pass out?
5uperM probably all of 10-30 seconds
InfinitygamingFtw More like 5-10 ... That shit goes down fast
The Doctor yeah but in a situation which would require it thy would have a lot of adrenaline, so it could be longer. Also very person dependant.
It's a choke that restricts oxygen rather than blood flow so it depends on the constitution of the opponent, but still, a surprisingly short time as all your strength crushes the trachea
about 30 seconds to a minute is when you get full effect of someone passing out from what i can work out... but kinda also depends how long someone can hold their breath as its the lack of oxygen that causes them to pass out...
“I can break his arm” *is breaking his arm*
you finally got a 401k
:-D
I read the title as "How the Cable Grip Can Save Your Life" and I was like "so is this what you do when the comcast guy gets pissed off?"
you should make knives out of guns and ammunition.
Profesor Mikal from aces jiujitsu in Austin Texas.
I’m one of the coaches for aces jiujitsu in Houston Texas
Do a fake cop episode
Hooray for The Princess Bride! And for Pirates of the Caribbean! "Anybody want a peanut?" *black powder gunshot* "My peanut..."
Shwood got Murphy real good on that last one. I am in tears. #TeamShwood #MurphysAightTho
we need an episode on slaughtering a goat
The "improper way" got me knocked out in band last year in about 5 seconds.
Autoerotique asphyxiation.
This is not it.
I thought autoerotique asphyxiation is when you do it to yourself
Early release from practice and there's a new MR episode. Can this day get any better?
You could see Jason go from “Oh good, I get to try this now” to “Oh *good* I get to try *this* now” when he was put in that choke position
11:22 That ninja assassin look into the camera right there... Nightmares for days...
I love how wide Jason's eyes got when he said it was like slaughtering a goat
You could see the regret on Jason's face when he got assassinated by Brian. LOVE the look on his face of "Oh God, I've made a mistake"