Klipsch - Heritage Vs Reference - RF7III VS Cornwall IV
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The "RF7 VS" mini-series continues! We covered the Heresys VS 7s 2 weeks ago...Fortes last week. If you haven't seen those, check em out!
This week we are moving onto the Cornwalls VS the RF7s. Following that, the RF7 Vs the RF7 where we will put the III up against the earlier generation IIs. Make sure you're subscribed to go along on this journey with us. :)
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If you've have told me a couple of years ago I'd be watching a 41 minute speaker compare video on a Saturday night I'd have thought you were crazy.
Now I want to know when's the next one.
Great job guys.
Thanks for watching! Hopefully it's an entertaining 41 minutes for ya! You keep watching and we will keep them coming. :)
-Jason
The Cornwalls sound simply amazing😊.
Cornwalls all the way. But hey RF7 are about 4k per pair and Cornwalls at 6K per pair the Cornwalls better sound better.
Great video, great format, very informative, please do more stuff like this. Subscribed !!
Thanks for watching and for subscribing! As long as you guys keep watching, we will keep em coming!
-Jason
Listening to all your videos on my RF7-II’s and understanding all the diferences and nuances 👌🤓
Thats the way to do it!
-Jason
Epic. I just upgraded from Gen 1 RF-7's to Cornwall IVs and the studio vs. live comparison really does describe it. Both amazing speakers and I love that both are made in Hope.
Thanks for watching and for your input! They are both really amazing speakers.
-Jason
Staaahp, I can't go there!
I have first gen RF-7s with a mini vee sub that meld perfectly together. (Un) fortunately, I don't have the room for the cornwalls.
They sound great!
I think the rf7-111 is the best value in the klipsch line up. Great video guys!
Thanks for watching! It's a beast for sure!
-Jason
Cornwall’’s hands down!! Damn that heavenly midrange
Beautiful for sure.
-Jason
What's remarkable is that this is an in-room recording of speakers playing another recording, and I'm listening to it on CZcams via Altec Lansing ACS43 speakers that are probably 30yo+ (with their full-range, 3" drivers), and still the differences are night and day.
one question is what power amp avr or whatever it is youre using to power both hose beasts? finally i watched this video on my system. i definitely prefer the sound of the cornwall4 here. it just doesn't seem that fair of fight when youre not turning up the volume for the rf7iii or turning down the cornwalls so its equal spl across the board. but on a couple cuts i did that with my system and it did make a big difference but man i feel like that mic and youtube really aren't doing the rf7iiis justice in the least bit. awesome video tho guys really loved all of it. now if you throw a subwoofer into the mix i feel it would even things out even more. maybe thats where you can go next. also another nit pick i would say to use more different cuts instead of most of the same ones but i understand. i understand why people are saying the rf7s sound so thin compared to the cornwalls but let me tell you the rf7 do not sound thin in person when you have everything running great from gear to placemat. same with the cornwalls both would sound so much better in person and even better when you get them home. thanks again guys.
Thanks for watching! Some of this is the room, some of this is the recording, and some is the lighter amplification. The Heritage line shines with even minimal power. In this video we are using the NADT778 receiver. The 7s need a bit more to really get that extra umph. This was a test not only of the speakers themselves but how they each handle the power dealt. Check out the 7 vs 7 videos to see the 7s with more power!
-Jason
Have both, both great, but love those big old Cornwalls IV!
For sure! We all love us some cornwalls! :)
-Jason
Outstanding comparison between two excellent speakers!
That said the Cornwall’s sound much more musical to my ear. Listening to this on my Cornwall’s as I write this now.
The RF7’s while very accurate and neutral sound like you’re in the studio where the Cornwall’s sound like you’re front row center at the concert.
This has been by experience with Cornwall’s since I worked for a Klipsch dealer here in Northern California in the 80’s and subsequently with my own pair.
The big Heritage speakers are in a class of their own. Mid 80’s I’d demo Dire Straits, Money for Nothing and Simply Red, Sad old Red on the Cornies or K Horns and they’d sell themselves!
The Cornwall’s were and are still are the best bang for the buck, IMHO. Most folks don’t have the space, room and $$ for the K Horns, the Cornwall’s were our best selling speakers.
They don’t require a ton of power to open up and sing! I’ve been driving mine with a Carver M1.0T and CT-7 and they’ll make your ears bleed! For that matter my little SX-434 at 15WPC will drive them to very loud listening levels.
I agree on all counts! I think the biggest take away for me personally was that live vs studio sound. If you prefer one over the other, you'll probably lean toward one speaker over the other...and this goes for all of the Heritage vs 7 videos.
-Jason
I was ogling the specs of the Cornwall IV but looking at the price I would start investigating the Danley Hyperion if I had that kind of money.
Awesome comparison! I have the RF-7 III and absolutely love them.
In my room I reduced the HF section by about -3dB which balanced it out perfectly and gave a much more live and balanced sound that I can listen to for hours. The RF-7 III is a speaker that doesn't leave me wanting more when it is set up well.
Thanks for watching and for your thoughts! Both are amazing and put you into a trance. Once you start listening you almost can't leave your seat!
-Jason
If you are having to ALTER your RF-7's, that is telling you that something is NOT right for you! I have been through this with my RP-280F's. I had to put a high quality L PAD on the horn to tame it back. We should not have to make these alterations.
That weas a very good vid. question though, what is the sources you are using for the comparisons?
Thanks for watching! In this video we are using the NADT778 receiver. The Heritage line shines with even minimal power. The 7s need a bit more to really get that extra umph. This was a test not only of the speakers themselves but how they each handle the power dealt. Check out the 7 vs 7 videos to see the 7s with more power!
-Jason
It would be fun to bring some KLF 30s, older La Scala's, KG 5.5 to the mix. Do a, "speakers from the past," mash up.
This is shame Klipsch can't continue klf30 this is real tower
I agree, but lets bring in a set of Epic CF-3s or CF-4s. The Epic series were replaced by the KLF series because people complained that they didn't have "the Klipsch sound". As an owner of a pair of Heresies from 1980, and a pair of CF-3s from '94, I agree....the bright/harshness was removed.
@@yournightmare9999 you think the KLF30 is better than the RF7 III?
No one said better or worse? Just a fun comparison, have these two awesome guys give us their feedback on the history of Klipsch in real time. Bring out some of the older heavy hitters compared to the new ones. Or just mix things up, I think it will be good content.
Love this idea!
Cool review. On a note to the comment of the Cornwall4’s being a little less clear on one cut, I bought my C-4’s about 5 months ago. My room is wider but definitely noticed with the grills off the music became a level or two clearer or cleaner. My wife even noticed and she normally can’t tell any differences.
If you point the speakers directly towards you the sound becomes more intoxicating. If the recordings are tilted to much to treble you might put the covers back on. Pointing them more straight out takes away some intensity but fills the room up a bit better.
If the recording is bad you’ll probably want to put something else on.
Thanks for watching! The heritage line is incredibly revealing for sure so that last comment resonates a lot. Enjoy your CWIVs!
-Jason
Wow great videos lately.
Thanks for watching! We aim to please. :)
-Jason
Best add I have seen for Cornwallis😁
Awesome video! That CW4 is a beast. How many watts do you guys recommend? More the better?
The Cornwalls play 102 db @ 1 metre @ 1 watt. So.. 2? I have the fortes with a primaluna HP that has 2x70 ish watts. I can't crank the volume to more than 9 o'clock and they have 99 db sensitivity.
It's a beast for sure and it's super efficient. It can run off of minimal power.... but it doesn't shy away from bigger power at all, and headroom is your friend with any system. "more is better" is great for that. Your amp playing at 25% to achieve your desired output will last a lot longer and run a lot better/cleaner than your amp that's redlining 24/7.
All of that said, there is no specific wattage I recommend. I would look more at the cleanliness aspects of your amp as heritage speakers are super revealing. Clean power > More power. I know this doesn't exactly answer your question but hope it helps.
-Jason
Thanks! That sensitivity is astonishing making 10-12 db between the two types. If I had not seen it......
Thanks for watching! Different beasts for sure!
-Jason
It would be interesting to see what the difference would be for movies. Very good video... Thank you
Thanks for watching! While we didn't watch movies during the side by side, I can say I've used both for movies for months at a time on different occasions. They both do great with movies and everything we said about music stands true with movies as well. Won't be disappointed with either for movies or music. :)
-Jason
Cornwall sound is boxy and colored. But compared to RF7: CW - "you are in the room where performance is", RF - "you are listening performance through small window of room where it `s going")) really small window and not so close to it. And I`m not talking about volume level. And tweeter of RF is for sure dominating above woofers a few db
Thanks for cranking up the volume on the RF-7 III here, definitely more closer in terms than I thought. I have to say that it might be that this is the first time to me it came across 100% what the both of you were talking about the differences of the two speakers.
Definitely the "Studio VS Live" experience, and the power hungry needs of RF-7 rears its head here.
- As the Cornwall IV VS RF-7 vs Forte IV is on my desk next to ponder on hard and heavy, I have to literally play through all the types of music I listen to, and see which one comes on top.
Both products are superb, both are different, like the Hellcat and a Corvette. The controlled RF-7 though... It's starting to be more and more tempting for me, even though the Cornwall IV is more "in your face". This so depends on what you listen to and "how you're feeling". Gotta go and listen to the blasted thing(s)! Thank you PHT TV!
Thanks for watching and for your input! Let us know what you decide either way and let us know if there is anything we can help with when you go to pull the trigger on your next pair!
-Jason
Im mildly concerned with the placement of them bad boys. Are the RF-7's just a bit too close to the wall? Only because of the rear ports, I would have had them closer to the corners and pulled out a bit more as well as a bit of toe in.
We are limited to a degree on spacing due to there being the multiple sets up there. We would for sure organize differently if we were creating a permeant setup and optimize the corners. That said, spacing to the wall we adjusted. It may not look like it due to the wide angle lens, but they are about 18-24" off of the back wall.
On the right side of the room you have the speakers placed in the wrong position for accurate stereo separation to the microphone. You want the 2 towers on each outside wall (equidistant from each other) [b/c the sound will bounce off the walls more evenly to the soundstage] and the two smaller boxes on the inside (again equidistant) Just try it. Thanks! 🙂
Thanks for watching! For accurate stereo separation, true. But giving one of each a corner allows for a more fair comparison in room. One pair in and one pair out give one an unfair advantage as well in other ways. Lots of trade offs when two are in the room simultaneously but we try to give the best representation possible.
-Jason
No you put the two towers on the outside because they're skinnier and let the cornwalls be closer to the outside than the rfs would be the other way around.
Their method isn't ideal but it IS fair to each set.
Can you compare the new RP8000Fii to anything in the Heritage series please? Maybe Forte or Heresy...
There's just not much comparison, I probably won't be wasting any more money on videos for the Reference Premier series. People either buy them due to being on a budget, or they buy something else. No reason to compare them to Heritage, nobody's really on the fence about that. Either you can afford Heritage or you cannot and you get RP.
Can you guys compare the paradigm founder 100f vs klipsch rf7iii?
Thanks for watching! PHT doesn't carry paradigm so I dont see that happening anytime soon. Will keep you updated if that changes though!
-Jason
do the CWs have good internal cabinet bracing, unlike many of the other models?
we take one apart here. Keep in mind that these woofers are typically barely being tickled. Doesn't really need to be braced like a powerful huge subwoofer.
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Cornwall’s are crushing it nice!
Thanks for watching! Some of this is the room, some of this is the recording, and some is the lighter amplification. The Heritage line shines with even minimal power. The 7s need a bit more to really get that extra umph. This was a test not only of the speakers themselves but how they each handle the power dealt. Check out the 7 vs 7 videos to see the 7s with more power!
-Jason
Cornwalls for me, RF7s are great speakers but if I have to pick, it will be the Cornwalls
Thanks for watching and for your input! Always gotta show love for the CWs :)
-Jason
What was the Wattage being fed to both?
In this video, we were using a T778 which is rated at 140W/channel into 8 ohms. It's on the light end for these units for sure but, while we could have pushed both harder, this is a testament to how each model handles the provided power. We may do these tests again with a JC5 as well and see if it yields similar opinions with more power.
-Jason
I love tangents. I enjoy when Trey goes on one😊
Three way is the way for me.
Haha...he tends to do that. If only I could share some of the un-edited ones. :p
-Jason
Memory! That's the word I was looking for. I love the fact that Trey couldn't remember the word memory.
Haha, love these moments.
-Jason
I own two pairs of klf10 three pair of the klf 20s into pair of the klf 30s which were all bought back in the mid-90s from a local dealer on the cheap anyway they crack concrete and can handle anything you feed them good. So if you happen to have in your possession the klf 20s or the klf 30s keep them and keep them kind and warm and safe they will last you a lifetime no need to upgrade no need to change no need to buy anything else ever
thank you for te video
Thanks for watching!
-Jason
Quel était le volume ?
Wow, very clear difference between the two speakers
For sure! That said, some of this is the room, some of this is the recording, and some is the lighter amplification. The Heritage line shines with even minimal power. The 7s need a bit more to really get that extra umph. This was a test not only of the speakers themselves but how they each handle the power dealt. Check out the 7 vs 7 videos to see the 7s with more power!
-Jason
Wow, what a difference. 7s sound flat compared to the CWs. That spl meter was showing 10 dB difference!! Just sold my 7s, now I know why. CWiv coming my way
Thanks for watching! Some of this is the room, some of this is the recording, and some is the lighter amplification. The Heritage line shines with even minimal power. The 7s need a bit more to really get that extra umph. This was a test not only of the speakers themselves but how they each handle the power dealt. Check out the 7 vs 7 videos to see the 7s with more power!
-Jason
Both excellent. BUT the Cornwall IVs...WOW.
Thanks for watching!
-Jason
RF-7III's are connected out of phase?
Na. They do sound a bit funky on here due to the compression on youtube but unfortunately once we upload, we have no control over how the viewer hears/sees the videos. We try and include as much commentary as possible so you guys get our thoughts on them while we are actually in the room with the product. Other than that, we 100% recommend hearing for yourself with your own ears before pulling the trigger on either.
-Jason
Once again as with the Forte' 4's... The RF-7-3's are so thin sounding every time, and it is time for Klipsch to give them an upgrade, they are old hat now!
Everytime you switched to the Rf7s it sounded like you put muffles on the speakers. That's the biggest noticeable difference to me.
I know it's tough to judge by listening on youtube with headphones, the differences are so drastic. Cornwalls are on my list.
So don't waste time and money and go for jubilee
Thanks for watching! Let us know when you're ready to turn that list into speakers in your living room. You'll love em. :)
-Jason
Those rf 7s sound like a transistor radio compared to the cornwalls
I won't say anything quite that degrading but yeah when next to each other, I've yet to have anybody pick the 7's, they're all shocked.
The Heritage Fortes and Cornwalls are coming across significantly better on the videos. Not even close in sound to me. Maybe in person they sound closer to each other.
It depends on the type of sound you like but generally speaking the Heritage line sounds more open, dynamic and realistic than not just the RF7's but most other speakers on the market at any price. Haters will automatically scream horn coloration without ever hearing them and if you're any exceptionally picky person it can be heard faintly on certain tracks but then there is some form of coloration in every speaker you will ever listen to. It's just with horns you see the horn and many can't separate what they see from what they hear. But the fools putting their hands to their mouth and shouting like an old megaphone have not heard the newest Heritage line speakers because they sound nothing like that. Nor do the newest AvanteGardes. But old biases die hard. If you just plop yourself in front of the Cornwall IV's and let the music play and you're not one of those guys who thinks he can hear a mouse fart in the recording then you'll be happy. They do better in a bigger room though.
Thanks for watching! Some of this is the room, some of this is the recording, and some is the lighter amplification. The Heritage line shines with even minimal power. The 7s need a bit more to really get that extra umph. This was a test not only of the speakers themselves but how they each handle the power dealt. Check out the 7 vs 7 videos to see the 7s with more power!
-Jason
Cornwall's for the win!
100%
My ears said the Cornwalls by a mile.
I really wish they would make a legend series type speaker. Get the heritage sound with the reference look.
Time will tell. I think the Forte is probably your closest to that in current gens.
-Jason
@@PaducahHomeTheaterTV yeah that probably would have to go with if I ever had to replace my klf-20s. They aren't as good of a deal though. The prices have gone way up (even more than inflation). Thanks to chasing that 10 percent.
@@jeremiahdant3151 they really should be a $3,500 speaker. 5 grand is just too much.
RF7's make for a great home theater set up. The Cornwalls or preferably the La Scala's, make for better two channel listening. I use the RF7 with the RB-75 for rears in a 5.1 system and a pair of 70th Anniversary (4/70) La Scala (shout out to Trey) for two channel listening. I would love to exchange my RP=600m in the bedroom, but the wife is only so tolerant.
Can understand the Wife acceptance factor for sure. Can only imagine what my house would look/sound like if it were only my say haha..
-Jason
No comparison needed as the Klipsch take it all.
Yep! When you compare Klipsch vs Klipsch, Klipsch takes the win every time!
-Jason
Cornwalls IV crushed it with more mid bass tone. Whether that is box coloration or just richer is hard to say over CZcams.
Thanks for watching! Some of this is the room, some of this is the recording, and some is the lighter amplification. The Heritage line shines with even minimal power. The 7s need a bit more to really get that extra umph. This was a test not only of the speakers themselves but how they each handle the power dealt. Check out the 7 vs 7 videos to see the 7s with more power!
-Jason
Wow, the Cornwalls pretty much destroyed the 7llls. Nice demo.
They were both awesome. I tend to lean more toward corns too but man.. those 7s are beasts.
-Jason
@@PaducahHomeTheaterTV Yes, I love the 7’s too. I actually own a set of 7ll’s and have no plans of parting with them. I’ve had them now for 8 years.
I'm sure they sounded great in your room.
They for sure did. Recording doesn't always come across but both were great.
-Jason
CW'S ! JUST SOUND BIGGER!!!!!
Resilience...
Thanks for watching!
-Jason
your speakers should be placed on the longer wall
Thanks for watching! If we did it that way, we would be limited distance from speaker wise, and would have wall reflection coming off of one pair of speakers and open air in the other. This room is about 40ft long and 14 wide.
-Jason
The Cornwalls simply sound bigger!
Thanks for watching!
-Jason
RF7III vs Cornball. Guess what gets smashed into a tortilla.
The CW4s sound better to me….on my CW4s…….that I bought from you guys..lol.
Thanks for watching! Happy to hear it and happy to hear you are enjoying your system!
-Jason
That's what I get confused in speaker companies if they're looking to get that extra 10% out of a speaker why don't they do better crossover Parts instead of sandcast resistors and iron core conductors spend the money there also maybe $15 differencein in each resistor ... but I see a guy on CZcams here has an upgrade for the rf7 it be 900 dollars upgraded crossover parts
Speaker companies tend to measure things, and if the measurements doesn't support the increased cost, then they don't spend money on it. That's just how it works.
Not SPL matched so it's not even an apples-to-apples comparison method lol
That's the point to a degree. It's 100% apples to apples. The Heritage line shines with even minimal power. The 7s need a bit more to really get that extra umph. This was a test not only of the speakers themselves but how they each handle the power dealt.
-Jason
Cronwall👍🏼👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼🎼🎼🎼🎼🎶🎶🎵🎵🎵
Thanks for watching!
-Jason
Comparo was some what doomed from start.
I don't know. Some things went pretty much as expected but there were some surprises here and there.
-Jason
Cornwalls....I'm not partial to them or anything
CWIV versus AL5
We did this in the last season. Was a tight fit but we got em in there. Check it out!
-Jason
klipsch corwall are the same to chorus 2. the chorus 2 is the best heritage
They share some characteristics but not the same. Love both though!
-Jason
As a final word out of my thoughts here it is if you buy the RF 7 III you are definitely going to need subwoofers.. and honestly it would cost you about the same just to put the money into the Cornwell 4. Where you will not need
Subs.. look at the financial difference between the two and you will discover the reality
Cornwalls don't really dig very deep. Very flat speaker, low bass is hardly it's strong point. I realize everybody thinks they are bass monsters due to the 15" woofer but not really. If anything the RF-7's can slam more.
Cornwall al the way.. much More Body…the Rf 7 Sounds harsch…..
All about air movement. Tight and concise is nice. Then you switch to a massive air moving transducer. This provides a more audience oriented experience. The bass blooms and the the room fills with sound.
Is the bass time aligned and fast on and off?
Hell no. Less control in precision but that good old concert vibe. Sonic perfection has ZERO to do with the human visceral response to sound and the way it brings its uniqueness to your ears
Rf7 ist better 100%
Thanks for watching and for your input!
-Jason
Cornwall easily
all day every day.
great video but terrible music selection
Thanks for watching! We are somewhat limited on music selection as, we can only share the parts where we listen to music we have the rights to play. Just as a note though, these are primarily created for the commentary which is based on a long list of tracks played off camera. Unfortunately we can't play those parts due to copyright restrictions.
-Jason
You know I bet you guys if you were polite and asked permission you could play something better than what you're playing for bass response such as deadmau5.. wouldn't hurt to ask permission now would it all they can do is say no... So do it and get it done I'll tell you something listening to anything that sounds like what you listening to at the beginning of this video reminds me of the 80s.. this music really isn't Rock.. rock is more like deep purple or Robin trower are any number of other bands similar
to be honest I hope to goodness we can completely get away from all this music playing and licensing and trademark infraction mess.