Is Ben White's DEFENDING a PROBLEM? 🤔
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His Overlapping play is brilliant isn't it? Love his link up with Saka
I don’t think good overlapping is that hard to find in a RB. He needs to be better defensively, especially if we play zinchenko on the other side.
Being isolated against the wingers 1-1 is the toughest place to be. Sometimes you'll end up looking bad no matter how good of a defender you are because offensive player always dictates the play. I feel fine with White defending those situations. Can't say the same about Zinhcenko on the other side.
This take is narrative driven. This season Ben white has been worse one on one than zinchenko this season.
I have to say it. Where are the full backs who use a slide tackle to stop opponents. A good slide tackle can take an opponent out the game easily
So, what's the f**ing difference? When Zinchenko was left 1v1 vs Trent and got beaten, he got destroyed for that but you're making excuses for White?
This is a god-damn agenda against foreign players. Arsenal fans hating on Zinchenko for 'costing Arsenal the league' but crying when Ramsdale gets replaced even though he made many mistakes last season and making excuses for White
Shlawg Benny Blanco fell asleep when mcginn scored that goal last week, also zinny kinda chased ghosts on that goal
"I feel fine with White defending those situations"?
Brightons Mitoma begs to differ after ruining him for 90 mins
A few weeks ago, when Arteta benched Ben White for Tomiyasu, he said he is someone who doesn't talk much, especially when something is wrong with him. Even when he is asked, he denies and plays things down, so Arteta will take him off the spotlight when Arteta sees that he's going through something. Then, Tomiyasu got injured, so here we are.
I think Arteta needs just another RB-CB player then the defence is ok.
@@MohamedElouarda-qk6ws that can't run. If they signed another one, what happens to White, Tomiyasu, and Jurrien Timber, who are all CB/RB? Kiwior can't even get consistent minutes to build momentum so that he develops. They should avoid having a bloated squad
@@chiefnkosi7705 i think at the moment Arteta is overusing the same players but it will be impossible from January. Facup, injuries. But if Zinny or Gabi is injured Kiwi starts.
As for the squad, it will get thiner this summer : Cedric, Elneny, Partey, and likely Jorginho will go..the squad quality is important, look it wasnt even enough for us to stay in League cup or to get a win at psv, well see of the squad number and quality is enough in Fa cup now..
@@MohamedElouarda-qk6ws the point is that you shouldn't wait for them to get injured to give Kiwior a game. Rotate them and share minutes among the accordingly. The bloated squad thing was about the defensive signing you talked about, not other areas. However, if they were to invest in a Zubimendi, then they would be replacing 3 players (Partey, Jorginho, and Elneny) with one. Zubimendi covers most aspects of the role played by those 3 players, + they rarely play while eating up the wage bill. That represents quality over quantity.
@@chiefnkosi7705 your theories are true but in pratice, you win trophies by number. City won all their trophies like that, United too in the 2000's. Injuries happens quickly, look Saliba last year. This might happens for Gabi or Sali again for one month this year. Then Kiwi will step up.
Look now if Rice gets injured for 1 month. What happens ? We drop in quality. It will be Jorginho or Elneny. If Saka is injured, WE drop in quality, problems happens. If Odegaard gets injured, problems happens...
This summer the midfield will get cleaned anyway so..i would get Palinha and Douglas Luiz or Zubimendi and him. Need a n6 and a n8.
I think his all-around game more than makes up for getting beat every now and then by literally some of the best athletes on Earth - athletes who play where they do because they specialize in that specific 1v1 situation. He's above average in all aspects and super reliable/consistent. Can't ask for much more.
Zinchencko gets beat 1v1 bench him sell him
White gets beat 1v1 oh its okay its just 1 bad area
@@dansheshe8039Huh? Zinny is great. Everyone makes mistakes and unfortunately sometimes they result in concession but more often than not Zinny's the catalyst that sparks something incredible on offense and there's a strong case to be made that he's the heart and character of the entire team. So yeah, I don't wanna bench or sell him...
I have said this about White for a long time that he isn't particularly good 1 vs 1.He isn't particularly slow, but he isn't particularly fast either, but its not just about that, he doesn't defend aggressively/ with high enough intensity 1 vs 1. Against most attackers his level of defending is fine, its just against some of the absolute flyers he can struggle.
However he makes up for this weakness in all other aspects of his game he is a consistent 8/10. I think he is a fantastic player for Arsenal, he just probably won't be that elite level of defender the likes of Lauren, Campbell, Adams - and probably eventually Saliba.
I see a lot of people say his other qualities make up for his defensive issues, but we also have this problem with Zinchenko. Having two fullbacks that aren't good 1v1 is not ok. We need at least one fullback strong in this situation. The sooner we get Timber back, the better. And personally, a fully fit Tomiyasu and Timber play in our back 4.
Our RHS is dead without Ben White
Why the hell did people suddenly decide Timber who's not premier league proven would be some sort of an upgrade on Zinchenko? How can you say that they guy is good 1v1 when there's no proof to suggest that he is. It's like Chelsea fans praying Nkunku coming back would save their season
@@robertking4645he played 1 game and the fans have universally overrated him😂
@@robertking4645 did you not see what Timber did in pre season games? Besides, he's not Zinny's upgrade. He's supposed to play RB so Rice can play in his favorite left sided midfield as double pivot with Timber when inverting or Timber can play as what White does all this time. While Zinny / Tomi can play as LB. The point is there will be tons of variations when Timber is back.
@@filipfransson1621 I agree as without Ben White we would of won absolutely nothing for the last 3 seasons would of probably bottled the league too
Always love these deep dives, your videos make everything easier to understand and think about. Great stuff!
It's not just Ben White, its most of our defenders that have had this 1v1 problem in the 10 - 15 years. The only player I can remember that was really good in 1v1 defending within this period is Sagna. The rest of them always struggled in that situation. Maybe if Tomiyasu can stay injury free for at least 10 games then I think he could be another that player that can be good in 1v1s
Nonsense
@@aidanhickman6621absolute nonsense lol
Saliba is good at this but Gabriel can be like this favouring his arms behind his back-kneeling shot block attempt than to prevent a player from getting to that position. I've seen Zincheko caught in this. Arsenal just prefer to move their players into a defensive shape almost like knights defending their king (aka the goal) by surrounding the space around it but it allows players easier touches on the ball that promotes confident dribbling. I need more ruthlessness from our full backs in the future
theres pros and cons, you could get injured stretching or commiting, and also completely miss the ball and catch the player, hence a yellow or red card. Or get beaten leaving a 2 v 2. Obvious pro is you get the ball and the attack is nullified@@MyMainMan90
It's because Arsenal left back and right back defenders have basically been taught to play like Cafu, Roberto Carlos and Philip Lahm, which means they use more energy going forward to help with offense at the expense of using up energy which could have been used for defense. Personally I think Arsenal has consistently had good left/right backs for the past 20 years, but I know they aren't the best at just defending.
I think there is some recency bias as he's looked a bit more defensively frail in the few games since he's been back, but over the course of last season there weren't many situation where he was defensively poor. Although I do see that hes not perfect and him improving on this would make him that much better :)
Some agreed but he often has that gap in the box - I love him but he needs to bounce forward and back to make the attacker commit , as opposed to the other way round because of the gap
apart from rashford, hes been been pretty good. Even good agaisnt Doku, both Zinny and WHite ahaha.
In the Brighton game, Mitoma was ripping him down the left and they were feeding ball after ball to pick on White. Gabriel and Rice had to cover for him quite a few times. Something isn’t right with Ben and i hope he gets it sorted soon. This can be very problematic in tight games as we try to stay top of the league.
And then there’s Zinny giving away the ball at least 3 times per game. We need tomi back and add some depth to the squad in Jan
Thanks for this video.
I was thinking of this soooo long and therefore thought (wrongly) that White was overrated because nobody ever mentioned his 1v1 ,,problems" ( or to use the word of the channel: region of growth/growth potential) , sometimes even people told me how on earth I could think there was any problem in the first place.
And in some games it wasn`t even mentioned, I think sometimes he is somewhat late too (like against Villa)
After the video I feel a little bit confirmed and in the same time I am more at peace with it , thanks!
Beautiful analysis mate. There’s so many great players to love in our team. How we’ve longed for this time. Let’s enjoy it gunners x
3 years of winning nothing after outspending everyone - How we’ve longed for this time 😂
❤️ this, great points all around, keep it up!
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I think it's unfair to criticise him in the ross barkley scenario. He may back off a slight bit too much, but the leg he outstretches before he shoots likely covers a goal at raya's far post. He expects raya to have the rest of the goal covered and essentially, although he should be blocking the shot completely, its harsh to put much blame on him.
That scenario was 100% Raya's fault... White had every right to look at his goalkeeper
Watch all angles on the McGinn goal there’s a lot of flaws to point out in Ben atm he’s bought in to a false sense of security to start he then makes a defensive action to block the center space both Saliba and Rice adjust themselves but ultimately Ben just doesn’t do enough to anticipate the cut back to McGinn or block the shot. Yes Zinny and Raya can do better but Ben for me has recently had these kind of moments too indecisive and the margins are too thin.
Dan Burn did an interview where he talked about having agreements with your GK about preventing attackers from being able to shoot at one area of the goal while the GK can then put more emphasis on covering the other parts of the goal. Perhaps that was what he was doing with the Barkley goal.
@@spidermannoir6193 I hear what your saying Raya in the Barkley situation for me has to save that attempt but White does not give him much to work off. Look at the space Barkley is in to start and for how much time, Ben does not have one scan in that time then backs off him as he approaches the goal not good enough from either player but again ultimately Ben white needs to do better as we know he can.
@@TetasGunnerslet's be honest, if ramsdale was in goal, he saves that. It's common with defender pushing attacking wide and showing them their weak foot, raya was horrible for that shot
The beige channel icon was very distinctive in my recommended so i always knew it was one of your videos, the new one is nice but maybe recognisability should also be considered!
alex! High quality vid with the pro info! Bravo!
I think he’ll improve this and the coaches will already know what’s needed. Games coming thick and fast mean there is little time to work on detail but the winter break and next international break will help
I think the 50m quid defender will improve and the next international break will help as he's not good enough to play for England so Cedric and Zinchenko can teach him how to defend better
I love White, especially because of his attitude, he's got a bit of an edge to him but it never seems to get him in trouble.
Great analysis. Harry is right that the most important thing is to take charge and in our back line I think Saliba is the only who does that. If you're going to get roasted, you might as well get roasted on your own terms i.e. Saliba against Elye Wahi. The thinking being is that if you back off you give the attacker more time to think, more time to get support and sustain the attack. I tend to think rushing the attacker yields greater results provided you are not the last man.
Prime Kyle Walker fits that scout description
He's not as technically good especially in attack
I’m not sure which channel it was but they pointed out how Gabriel does not dive in and was applauded for it. It’s the same thing white does, make the defender beat you, if whites jump in in, he’s making it easier for the attacker. Just some observation
The channel you're referring to is called "A 1000 Excuses For Arsenals 2 Decade Trophy Drought"
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@@SteveBarrow-lp2ns hahah you’re everywhere Steve, merry Xmas. Maybe catch you at an Arsenal game
@@chosenone9589 There's more chance of Thomas Partey winning Husband of the Year or Eddie Nketiah winning the Ballon Dor than there is of you ever going to an Arsenal game
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This debate feels quite forced, almost like it's a slow content week 🤔
Come on, White is one of our most consistent and dependable performers. How many wingers have truly got the better of him since the start of last season?
He’s unreliable mate, the team evolved each season and this season white has been a liability, that Aston villa goal sealed it for me
@@omother6950so one moment sealed it for you out of the many years he's been playing, considering he is jus returning from injury.
@@charles9489 no I’ve been watching so many wingers get the better of him, especially rashford. He’s a liability whenever we play against United or a Liverpool. He only looks okay against city because they don’t attack with the wings (doku wasn’t on the pitch till late) we already have 1 defensive liability with zinchenko we cannot afford 2 when he’s supposed to be a centre back. Timber is needed
You thumbnails are really beautiful and so so crisp...🫡
Brilliant as usual
Having mot watched the video yet, I've been saying it has been. He jockeys players into the box and acts as a cone for them to score around. But I do really like him
I see everything you said not just with Ben, but nearly every Arsenal players in every game when they go 1v1. It’s like they were trained to wait for the attacker to move first, then engage. A lot of times it’s too late but there would be another player sweeping after. It’s just a bit frustrating watching this sometimes. 🤯
I’d like to see Saka give the ball back BW a few more times. They set it up for a give and go but don’t complete the action enough. I think this would be more affective for the team in getting crosses in and help Saka when he cuts inward.
Wilfried Singo, has the athleticism and frame, 6 ft 3 has everything that white has and more
What’s also not being accounted for maybe this is designed by arteta for Ben to not be overly aggressive 1v1 especially as he has Saliba in the back. I would be interested to see how he’s 1v1 leads to goals conceded that way we can really see if it’s an issue.
I personally feel you have hit the mail million times my Partner would attest to this said it so many time🤞🏼
Ben White could be our John Stones in midfield
I‘ve always wondered whether Ben White could do the John Stones role. He‘s experienced at CB and at inverting into midfield. That would solve the problem if Saliba or Tomi would shift out wide, but I think it‘s questionable whether White is good enough on the ball to play as a second pivot
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You said it in your intro, he's pre peak. It will come.
What do you think on the really nice game from Ramsdale?
Great video benny blanco defo is a fav
It 's only an issue when on counter attack, so he must learn how to best close the opp player till CB and DM return in front of opp central players
finally someone is talking about this
I know this is off topic of the video but I'm kind of excited about this.arsenal have made a decision to permanently sign raya from Brentford and have done this early (being a strange decision to make half way through the loan given the ffp circumstances)why would they do this?we can't sign raya on loan and Ivan toney aswell on loan from Brentford due to PL rules so signing raya permanently would be the best thing to do to maximise things in our favour.any thoughts anyone? My thoughts are we've decided to sign raya permanently for £27 then sign toney on loan in January to comply with the rules of loan signings and ffp as toney would be a higher fee than raya.maybe wrong but we've already decided to activate buying raya just a hunch coyg ❤
Finally someone has noticed it.
U hit the nail on the head without even you knowing… Ben white was a ball carrier, Rice was a ball carrier, saliba was a ball carrier and so on… all these player have changed their style of play to adapt to mikel ball. Sometimes play players to their strengths and stop crossing balls in for messi to score with his head….
Ben White is basically the modern William Gallas, he wants to play in the centre but also wants to go forward. Arteta has correctly moved him back to the right so he can go forward more often without affecting the defensive structure. In terms of thinking process on how to defend well, I sometimes feel that a simpler defender will usually think much more straight forward kick and clear, but Ben White together with Saliba and Zinchenko are required to do much more than just defend, sometimes you need a team mix with smart and straight forward defenders (like Gabriel). Tony Adams was the smart defender and Keown was the straight forward one and they basically cover for each others weaknesses and improve their strengths. The advantages of more straightforward defending is often faster reaction times, but you'll often lose control of the ball due to lack of awareness. The way I play defence is more straightforward as I will put all my energy into stealing the ball, but that means once i've taken it, i'll have a harder time figuring out what to do with the ball, defenders no longer hoof the ball across the pitch nowadays so it makes sense they need to spend more mental energy keeping the ball under control.
Ben White is basically the modern William Gallas as in another poor Arsenal signing who thinks he's better than he is when he's clearly not
He's also trying to look like Gallas 🤣
White isn’t naturally the quickest and gets outpaced in short distance quite often if not mistaken.
Also, I think his off field issues are quite well known given his recent story with the England NT.
So yeah, not sure if he is that unique. Believe Stones can do everything he can realistically.
Im a former skilful defender so Ben resonates with me and I love Ben - definitely Arsenals most under rated player ( well Partey is too but that’s a different conversation ) - been amazing / but recently this season I’ve noticed he is always a bit too far away from the attacker in the box - almost encouraging a shot - the space gives the attacker confidence to take a touch instead of committing he doesn’t close the space and literally makes the attackers mind up for him - I would coach him to improve this in the box particularly - but having said all this I wouldn’t take £100m for him !!
Im a former skilful defender?? You're another crack head living in Cuckooland
His defending 1v1 against the better wingers is where he falls short, someone like Timber playing in that role would be better with Ben White acting as quality rotation to him
Edit: if we had that depth at RB we would be unreal in terms of defensive depth over the right flank, White going forward has no issues to me, defensively it’s mostly 1v1s: he often hesitates in his interception attempts not really judging correctly when & where to make the tackle, something that Timber flourishes at, they would compliment eachother very well & sharpen eachother aswell
Ben’s problem as you said is he engages quite late. He gives the players opportunities to drive in to the box and focus on block the shots which is not good against good players.
He’s a cb by nature he’s just been shifted to rb but his attacking style makes us so good but I think timber is a natural rb so maybe in big games he’ll start over white
The attacking from the right side improves when when tomiyasu plays as he doesn't kill the momentum of the attack by being on his heels as white does all the time.
I love tomiyasu. Get well soon.
Ben White last season forms was so Superb. But this particular season he's struggling with fitness and sharpness now he's inconsistencies performance and his Positioning by backing off and bringing opposition players to sensitive part's of the final thirds. Needs to be addressed. He makes so much Space markings between him and the opposition's players
"You can see this in the situation against Barkley..." Can you? Because in the image shown, he's on the balls of his feet.
We need strong competition for him. Tomiyasu is backup for 3 position (LB,RB,CB,) and starter in 2(RB,LB).. too much to as of him.
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I will hear no Ben White slander. Thank you for your time, have a lovely evening.
You doubters can all hold that😅
😞😢I m his fan always how the situation is gone.
No one can perfect.
If he is poor
Arsenal can use cedric and wait for tomi.
If you sell ben white
He is moved another team
I m always benwhite fan
I would say that it's really just his fitness levels right now. Aside from Saliba, Gabriel and Saka, White arguably has been our mainstay on the right.
Having to run up and down and still be defensively great is not an easy job to maintain. Also, why haven't we had a double down on any of the wingers like other teams are doing on us?
I am so early my comments and likes change the digits
I'm more concerned about Zinchenko's defending to be honest
I think it's important that Ben White is not isolated,he needs help from teammates
Arsenal is full off Swiss army knife kind of players White Zini Tomi Timber they can play in 3 different positions at the highest levels
Benny white white white , my favourite player. COYG
Lol, you're favourite player is a former Leeds and Newport County reject who's won nothing in his so far failed career and who's behind Harry Maguire in the England pecking order
I suggest you ask Father Christmas to bring you some high standards next week pal as you're clearly lacking in them....
Tomi = ben white + solid defending
but sadly he got injured
How does he equal Ben White in any bloody way?
He can't pass anywhere near as good as White and is nowhere near as technically gifted. Tomiyasu was poor before the game against City this season.
@@onlyweatherlol93 have you ever watched him play? White is English and that's the only reason people hyped him up, this season his attack link play's becoming worse than tomi so he is just horrid. Tomi can also play all position in the back, which clearly white cannot.
@@ohpeep3723doesn't negate his point, white is better on the ball and a better passer than tomi but u seem to be the one who is obsessed with his nationality.
Not everyone thinks like you and obsess over nationality and don't project ur biases unto others.
@@charles9489 how many assist white has this season? "doesn't negate his point" my ass, these British need to grow some brain instead of letting medias do the thinking for them, such a waste of my time, really.
Joules Kounde could meet that checklist
Very decent player. In essence he's a midfielder playing at the back.
Yeah he is good but sometimes he freezes and doesn’t do anything. We can see sometimes that he is exhausted and slows the game even we are 1 goal down in a second half.
I think he's playing injured. Dead serious. I remember when he got subbed on for tomiyasu when he got hurt they panned to him on the bench and he said f*ck.
hes shocking 1v1
Timber can play this rb hybrid when he's back
In the UCL level, theres no room for mistakes. Yeah, you can accept and work in PL, but if the club wants higher flights, fans have to learn to = let got
Do you think Ben White could play as a 6 alongside Declan? In like a 244/2413 formation?
Maybe on his XBox..
Its quite simple. If Rashford can score on you, then you must have a problem. But he did not struggle like Kiwior on Tuesday either.
He needs to start backing up
he's really a midfielder if we're being real
timber might be the only player cloee enough to whites profile without being home grown and the league experience
Sergio Ramos is the only name that I could even think of.
he just give so much space for the challenger and is afraid to make the tackle, if he becomes more assertive he improve massivley. this is something he can work on, its not a hard skill to obtain.
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Ben White made the mistake that allowed Ross Barkley's goal in the Luton match. Ben White was the one who couldn't shut down McGinn during the Villa match. Is his defending a problem? Nah, the entire team is to blame when they give up goals. Ben White shouldn't have had to make those defensive moves anyway because the team shouldn't have let the opposition have the ball in the first place.
I watch for the content but stay for the hypotheticals
Mikel Arteta certified inverted defending
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He can’t defend 1 on 1. It’s so easy to run past him. I think Arteta acknowledged this and started playing tomi but he got injured. Timber was probably going to be the starting rb
pretty sure he’s playing on an injury but is needed because tomi is out
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Rob holding was way better. White should of gone to Palace instead!
1000 - an issue, 1300 - not an issue. That's not marginal it's a big majority.
John stones could do what Ben white does and more.
Kyle Walker
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Can you imagine him come up against Mbappe in champions league? … surely means an exit for Arsenal 😢
Mbappe? He got ruined by Mitoma lol
Love White but are we sure there are "no off-field issues"? Did we ever figure out what happened between him and the England national team exactly?
It's not a problem, he's young and still learning, and he's brilliant in attacking situations and has been a great defender in the past two seasons. But i get that you need content and make videos about something, and i took the bate and watched it despite knowing that so I'm not dissing you. ❤
Also a moustache would look good on you
It's not a problem, he's 26 so he's young and still learning lol
5 x EPL and Treble winner Phil Foden's 23, imagine him at 26 eh?
He gets cooked by rashford every single time
And yet not good enough for Southgate...
Hes good but world class is a stretch 😂
Kyle walker? Only problem i would say is that he has peaked.
I'll bet you $5000 that the 'already peaked' Kyle Walker wins a major trophy before 'in his peak' Ben White does.
You want some?
henis agood defender..no question about it..he can't be 100%
A fully fits Takeiero Tomiyasu is far better and Reliable than Ben White and Zinchenko
not to sound flippant but i think he's rusty.
Afterall, he is quite good at football