The Romans 14 Sabbath Debate and Why Colossians 2 Backfires on Adventism!
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- čas přidán 28. 07. 2024
- In this clip, SDA pastor Doug Batchelor presents the Romans 14 question regarding the sabbath. In the process of building his case, he appeals to Colossians 2. But this backfires badly...
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CHAPTERS:
0:00 - What is Romans 14 saying: Doug Batchelor
1:38 - God's stance on Sabbath in Old Testament
5:38 - Romans 14 Explained
6:32 - Colossians 2 Insights
12:28 - Leviticus 23 Overview
13:53 - Adam Clarke Commentary
16:40 - John Gill Commentary
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Oh wow, how Doug twists God’s word is almost painful. It makes me sad and angry at the same time. No wonder the brainwashing is so deep in that system. No wonder that clear Bible passage weren’t clear to us when we were Adventists. The veil is so thick. 😢
That man is a menace, IMO. He is a major trigger to me. If he pops up, I have to very quickly zip on by, like a horror or blood-gore-guts movie. I am very serious. After all these years, no need to listen, anyway. The "seminars" are always the same. Right Friends?
"Sad and angry," describes my feelings too
@@cindiloowhoo1166Amen?
The irony when he said, "It's just a heresy that's come in." 😂
WOW Butchering the verses only using part of the verses. 2 LAWS. WHAT!!! What god do they serve? Not the God of the bible and further more the bible does say 2 Corinthians3:15-17 "But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." They know OF Jesus but don't KNOW JESUS>
You are a victim of 2 PET 3:16 modern, bible warping Pharisees.
That verse about the vial over their eyes was a huge verse the Holy Spirit lead me to when I was asking God all these questions about the truth of who he is 20yrs ago when I ended up studying my way out of the SDA church to my surprise.
So 100% agree!
I think you meant "veil," as opposed to "vail." Your statement's context is most ambiguous. What point are you trying to share, please?
@@cindiloowhoo1166 the point that i am making is that well lets make this easy. What Moses wrote in the book of the law that includes the 10. All that Jesus fulfilled was written in that book. We are under a New Covenant, New High Priest, and in the New way of the Spirit. NOT to the letter of the law which is what Moses wrote down. Therefore since they (SDA) continue to read and go by the OLD Covenant its clear that they have not met JESUS because the word or God says that
"Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away."
The veil is still over their hearts because 1) They say JESUS is Michael 2) Jesus is still atoning for out sin's, 3) Jesus did not sit at the right hand of the father til 1844 4) That Jesus whom is GOD holds record of our sins even if we repent. ETC. When you believe things like this how can you seen Jesus? The bible tells us different then what they teach and believe.
The Bible speaks of God's 10 commandments written by His finger in stone and placed in the ark under the mercy seat, and levitical ordinances / feast days written by Moses in a book and placed on the side of the ark.
I thought the Sabbath was giving first in Exodus rather than in creation. I don’t recall seeing any Sabbath rest in the book of Genesis
reread Genesis 2.2....The Sabbath must be kept...Rev. 12.17
@@DavidKing-qd3sp if you can show me any of the Abrahamic families that keep a Sabbath day Rest in the book of Genesis then I will gladly follow the 7th day sabbath. I think the first time we saw this being mentioned to Israel is in the book of Exodus. Secondly Jesus is my Sabbath rest!!!
Read Genesis 26.5 and 2nd Thess. 2: 9-12...
@@DeepConviction25 he is also your example luke 4.16 and judge
Do you not know the change of the Sabbath was prophesied in Daniel 7:25...where the Papacy would change it to Sunday as sign of its power and authority...they also changed / abolished the 2nd commandment.... we will keep the sabbath in heaven Isa.66.23....The remnant church keeps all 10 not 9...Rev. 12,17...Sabbath unvolves the Mark of the Beast... which is the Papacy and her mark i s Sunday...read the Great Controversy by SDA church
Roman Catholic mass is held every day in many parishes.
Yes, indeed it is!
When I was in seminary the Worship professor gave us the assignment of going to at least 5 experiences of worship in traditions different from our own. That posed a problem for me since my position at the church I was serving at the time necessitated my being there Sunday mornings and evenings as were the worship times of many other traditions. In looking up various church schedules in my area, I found a Catholic mass to attend that was during lunch time and only a couple miles away. It was lovely.
God only blessed and sanctified one day..the sabbath..
@@DavidKing-qd3spthe mass is the celebration of the Lord's supper started in the book of Acts, it's not the same keeping as the Sabbath
lords supper was given before book of Acts...do you confess your sins to a priest...pray to mary and other saints...use holy water...church on sunday not true sabbath etc...
In christ we have our Sabbath rest its not one day
That is ambiguous, abstract, obscure CHURCHIAN lingo
@@bobreese4807what is churchian lingo?
Have you read the whole bible ONCE???
@@bobreese4807 One stop shopping nasty retorts, eh? If you insist on being nasty, be creative about it.
@@bobreese4807 Please advise where we can find a text: "And the evening and the morning were the seventh day."
Once again, a reminder to spend some time with the book of Hebrews. Take a peek at Galatians, too.
How many times have you read The Holy Scriptures with comprehension and humility?
We are no longer the children of slave woman , we are under new covenant which is GOD'S grace....see Galations 4: 21-25 ,30.
New covenant Hebrews 8:7-13❤❤❤❤
"DRIVE OUT the slave and her son, for the son of the slave WILL NEVER BE A COHEIR with the son of the free woman" Gal 4:30. Doesn't say "live with" or "be friends with" or any kind of hybrid relationship indeed!
I love this Chapter. It's so clear here.
@@ajw9975 I wonder why some persons seem to think they can make their attempted point clearer by typing in all capital letters. In internet etiquette, that is considered shouting, and most rude.
@@cindiloowhoo1166 FACTS! lol
Yes, we are saved by grace. and out of that grace, as James 2 says, we show works or fruits of that grace.
The book of Colossians presents a powerful critique of the legalistic tendencies that had crept into the early Christian church. In chapter 2, the apostle Paul directly addresses the dangers of asceticism and an overemphasis on human traditions, warnings that strikingly undermine key Adventist doctrines.
Verse 16 states, "Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day." This directly challenges the Adventist insistence on observing the Sabbath as a means of earning salvation or proving one's righteousness. Paul makes it clear that such Sabbath-keeping should not be used as a measure of a believer's standing before God.
Furthermore, verse 17 describes these "religious festivals, New Moon celebrations and Sabbath days" as "a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ." This undermines the Adventist veneration of the Mosaic law and the eternal binding nature of the Ten Commandments. Paul sees these Old Testament observances as mere shadows that have been fulfilled in the person and work of Jesus.
Verse 20 goes on to ask, "Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules?" This challenges the Adventist preoccupation with dietary restrictions, holy days, and legalistic rules - things that Paul clearly sees as belonging to the old, pre-Christian order that believers have been freed from through the death and resurrection of Christ.
In light of these powerful statements, Colossians 2 stands as a stern rebuke of the core tenets of Adventism. It unequivocally rejects the notion that obedience to the Mosaic law, including Sabbath-keeping, is necessary for salvation or spiritual growth. Instead, it points us to the sufficiency and supremacy of Christ, in whom we find true freedom from the bondage of legalism.
on the contrary to both you & the SDA erroneous critique... Col 2 : 16 - 17, is rather about not letting anyone JUDGE YOU in RESPECT OF/ in REGARDING - God's Feast Days, New Moons, and Sabbath Days ( as in, continuing to observe these "appointed times; not according to the sacrificial ordinances of the Levitical Priesthood, or the vain traditions & doctrines of men... But in spirit and in truth ) ... for they indeed ARE still shadows of things to come, and Body Of Messiah! ( For where "His Shadow" is, There is where also you will see "His Person"!)
1* "Meat & Drink" -- ( Genesis 14 : 18 & Matt 26 : 26 - 28 )
John 6 : 55 - 57
55) "For My Flesh Is MEAT Indeed, And My Blood Is DRINK Indeed.
56) He that eateth My flesh, and drinketh My blood, dwelleth in Me, and I in him.
57) As the living Father hath sent Me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me."
2* Feast Days: ( Lev 23 )
We observe the Spring Feasts: ( Passover, Unleavened Bread, FirstFruits, Pentecost) in the "Yearly Memorial"
of Messiah's 1st Coming, in honor of HIM. ( 1 Cor. 5 : 7 - 8 )
We observe The Fall Feasts: ( Trumpets, Yom Kippur, Tabernacles ) in the "Yearly Dress Rehearsal" of Messiah's 2nd Coming, in honor of HIM. ( Col. 2 : 17 )
3* New Moons ( Gen 1 : 14 .. Exod 12 : 1 - 2.. Psalm 81 : 3 )
Signify when the months actually begin according to God's Calendar.
( On the pagan Pope Gregory Calendar, they're all over the place, with even the so -called, "new year", beginning in the dead of winter.)( God's People are Not ignorant of the "times & seasons" - 1 Thes 5 : 1)
4* Sabbath Days ( Gen 2 : 1 - 3 .. Exod 20 : 8 - 11.. Lev 23 : 3.. Isa 56 .. Matt 24 : 20 .. Heb 4 : 9 - 11.. Rev. 1 : 10 )
Is the Memorial that YHWH Created the heavens & earth through Yeshua.
And is also the foreshadow of "The Day Of The LORD/ The Lord's Day", when Yeshua returns for His Bride/ and Punishes the wicked, upon the "eve of", and at the "end of", the "7th millennial day. ( Rev 19 & 20 )
Pray this blesses you... May the Spirit Of God be bestowed on you in your studies. Amein...
@@ChrisTian-tz3eq We don't need to cling to the shadow when we have the substance.
The language of "shadows" and "types" points to the transitory, preparatory nature of these Old Testament practices. They were never intended to be permanent observances, but rather pointers to the Messiah. Now that he has come, we don't need to hold on to the shadows.
So while I appreciate the desire to find spiritual significance in these things, I think Paul's message is that we are free from obligation to them. The true spiritual reality is found in our relationship with Christ, not in keeping a religious calendar.
@@Shevy_Lady ... Do you celebrate and observe every 1st day of the week? And/or, Every December 25th & the 1st Sunday after the Spring Equinox and full moon of Easter/Eostre, in relationship w/ Christ?...
What is a day? Do we not come from a Kingdom where there is no day or night?🤔
As true believers in Christ, we were called to enter into His rest...the unbelievers strive over sabbaths and laws, still looking for rest they haven't yet found. We serve God in the spirit, not in the flesh because God is Spirit.
Hebrews 3:11-12,15,18-19
[11]So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
[12]Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
[15]While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
[18]And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
[19]So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
God gave the Sabbath to the Israelites as a way for them to worship him, he did this to keep them away from what was happening in Egypt which was that they were worshipping multiple Gods especially on the 7th day. The Sabbath then became the Moses law not a divine law, Jesus came and save us from our sins we don't need a authoritarian law to get salvation.
We go to Church on Sunday to celebrate the mass in sacrifice of the holy Eucharist, Christians need Jesus to be saved not a prophet or the things they make laws, Sunday is the Lord's day, not Saturday
Everything in the New Testament record has to be read in light of the Council of Jerusalem, Acts 15. You all need to read the whole chapter, along with focusing on the letter to the churches in the region of Galatia. The unanimous agreement by the early church leaders gathered there in Jerusalem with James, Jesus brother leading, was that the belivers from a Jewish background could not bring Jewish traditions and practices into the Ecclesia, circumcision being the main hot button issue, but including all other Jewish mandates and practices as well. In exchange for setting aside those Jewish practices, they agreed that the churches of those from predominantly Greek (pagan) origins would not bring into the Ecclesia, pagan traditions and practices... because: Galatians 3:28, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male and female..."
These early church leaders rejected the Judaizers, as well as rejected the pull of the pagan temples to embrace pagan praxtices as they experienced this entirely new thing that God through the Spirit was doing.
I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm willing to put money on it that none of you guys want to resurrect circumcision as a mandate for getting into heaven?
Paul makes clear that circumcision pointed to Jesus being "Cut off", and also the circumcision of the heart. He stated that circumcision of the flesh is nothing and non circumcision is nothing. There is a clear distinction between the commandments of God and the Levitical law. Again we see that the moral law remains but the levitical laws (also called ordinances in the OT and NT) were types of Jesus and His antitypical fulfillment.
So yes, in Acts 15, Paganism was nipped in the bud: no pollutions of idolatry, drinking of blood, or strangled animals or fornication. This would specifically address commandments 1 and 2 to worship God above all and to have no other gods; commandment 7 to not commit adultery; and it would also uphold the Mosaic law which forbade eating blood or strangled flesh.
Don't forget to include Acts 15:21 where it was assumed that the gentiles would be learning more and more every Sabbath, because obviously abstaining from four listed items is not the fullness of the christian walk with Jesus. There is an entire Bible full of Holy Spirit inspired instruction to live the christian life.
Actually, no... Christianity is not Judaism 2.0.
Listening to this makes me realize that “keeping the Sabbath” is probably the easiest commandment to keep. … Its not a fast. There is no appetite to combat. No lust to overcome or addiction to break. Just kick your feet up and dont do anything. You can do it on a cruise. And yet it is the greatest of all Seventh Day Commandments. I think weve missed the more weightier matters of the law here.
Some of us have been saying this all along. It's a lazy mans' religion.
In heaven there will be no night and no need for the sun how will Doug and his followers determine the sunset to keep their sabbath
We'll find out soon enough. But Isaiah 66 tells us we will keep Sabbath together in heaven. Jesus is coming again
They won't be there, so it won't matter
@@alllthatinacan Please include the end verse...
Isaiah 66:24
[24]And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
Carcasses lying around...immortal worms....everlasting burning bodies...flesh in the heavenly????
If this is what Adventists believe, there is something seriously wrong with your theology.
Not ignoring the fact that once again old testament scripture is being misused to drive SDA narratives. Isaiah 66 was about Jerusalem. No flesh can inherit the kingdom of God.
.. The saved ( the meek ) will inherit the entire ( new) earth ... But there will be "no night or need for the sun" within the the "Holy City"/The "New Jerusalem" that "comes down from God out of heaven" .. because the "Glory" of our God will dwell and reign from there... But all the nations living outside of there will indeed come up to "holy convocate" there, every New Moon, Sabbath Day, and Feast Of Tabernacles... which doesn't occur until AFTER the 7th millennium/ After sin/Satan/ and the wicked, have been eradicated from off the earth forever.
( Isaiah 66 : 22 - 23..Zech 14 : 16 - 19.. Psalm 37 : 11.. Matt 5 : 5 .. Rev. 20, 21, & 22)
@@deonjacobs8896vs 22 says the new heaven and the new earth, so it is speaking of the time after Jesus comes. Vs 23 is speaking of worship from sabbath to sabbath and vs 24 is speaking of the final destruction in the lake of fire that will not be quenched until it's work is done. See Rev 20 for the final destruction to which gives more detail.
Doug needs to study the covenants. This is deceptive.
Adventism teaches their sabbath because of egw. Everything they hold to, like what Doug says, is based on her visions. They teach their distinctive doctrines, which are based on her visions, because as a cult adventism strives to be "special, exclusive, unique, etc. Adventism goes against the sufficiency of Christ Jesus atonement finished work on the cross, resurrection, and ascension into heaven itself seated at the right hand of God the father.
"Why go back to the old and its ordinances when the new has come?
The sketch is taken from the reality, and implies the existence of it. The shadow is the intended likeness of the substance. In other words, Christianity was not fashioned to resemble Judaism, but Judaism was fashioned to resemble Christianity. The antitype is not constructed to bear a likeness to the type, but rather the other way around. It is, in short, because of the antitype that the type exists. The Mosaic economy being a rude draft of Christianity, presupposed its future existence. A good example of this truth is Paul's observation that Christ our Passover has been sacrificed for us (1 Co 5:7). In contrast to shadows, "the body is of Christ." There is no allusion here to Christ's physical body or to His body the church, for body is used in opposition to shadow and means substance or reality. Why should one grasp for a shadow when he holds the substance in is hand? The new age of the gospel has brought the blessings to which the old economy pointed. To return to the old is to turn back the clock and lose the blessed reality of the finished work of Christ with all its attendant mercies." Ref.(Everett F. Harrison, Everyman's Bible Commentary Colossians P.66)
Adventist say God made the Sabbath Day at the end of creation that is not true, God blessed the 7th day & made it holy & rested on the 7th day,he did not give it to man,& did not call it the Sabbath. Adventism is twisting the truth. In Genesis 3:17 God told Adam thru painful toil u will eat of it ALL days of ur life, Adam didn’t have a Sabbath Day. From Adam to Moses took 2500 yrs & in that time no one never heard of the Sabbath until in Exodus 16:23-35. Adventist preach that Sabbath was made for man at creation is a lie.Deut 5:1-5 God summoned ALL of Israel & said the Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb, it was NOT with our fathers that the Lord made this covenant,but with us who are alive HERE today,mankind was not there only the,If God wanted Mankind to observe the Sabbath God would of said so & not used the word Israel. In Duet 5:15 in the commandments God said remember that you were slaves in Egypt & the Lord ur God brought you out of there with a mighty hand & an outstretched arm.Therefore the Lord ur God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.If you can’t understand that you need a brain transplant.
Jesus says Sabbath was indeed created for man - Mark 2:27. Adam was created the 6th day. On the 7th day he rested with His Lord, Jesus Christ. What a beautiful picture.
@@alllthatinacanIt was God who rested upon completion of that creation. He blessed and sanctified that seventh day wherein he rested. The narrative does not say God sanctified and blessed every seventh day, nor does the narrative say God invoked this rest for Adam and Eve. They did not work; God worked. Adam and Eve were created the day before.
To claim they were to rest from their labors the day after they were
created, and had not worked to begin with does not enter the mind of the Sabbatarian.
This belief is not subjected to any critical thinking or proper Biblical scholarship. What it says is not near as important as what they think it says, where they read into the text what is not there.
It should also be noted that this day shows having no end to it. God is still “resting” from that work, and the author of Hebrews mentions that it is this rest of God's that Christians can enter into while it is still called, “To day” and it is a rest entered into through faith. Israel, who had the weekly sabbath, did not enter into God's rest due to their faithlessness. Therefore, to equate the rest of God on that seventh day with the recurring seventh day sabbath is unscriptural. See Heb 4.
@@terrygreenman1540 ...Yea, "Remember" all of this, in your rebuttal to the "Christian Pharisees" in congress, when they go to legislate the man-made tradition of "The Sunday-Sabbath-rest", next year for Project 2025.
@@ChrisTian-tz3eq hey what ever. There is no such thing as "Christian Pharisees".
Unless your referring to someone like Ben Carson. Or other heretics such as yourself.
The great pretenders.
I don't care. I rest everyday 7 days a week. It does not effect me. But watch out when they come hunting for you, you better run and hide coward.
@@terrygreenman1540 Genesis 2:3 in fact says God "Blessed the sabbath day and sanctified it."
Jesus makes a statement in Mark 2:27...Sabbath was made for Man. Adam was created on day 6 and was the man in existence when the first sabbath was observed. If you are saying Jesus did not create it for man, you are contradicting what Jesus said.
Jesus makes another statement in Mark 2:28...I am Lord of the Sabbath.
Obviously the 7th day has an end to it. Jesus kept the 7th day himself, so He obviously knew the day was a 24 hour period just like it is today. Same with Paul. We see him going to the river side to keep sabbath, so he obviously knew when it ended. We see the women going to the tomb after the sabbath had ended, so they obviously knew when it ended.
God is not still resting. Jesus makes a clear statement in John 5:17 that "My Father worketh hitherto, and I work." So they are not resting.
"Today" in Hebrews 4 means that we are not to put off salvation. Today is the day. You are not promised tomorrow. if you read vs 9 we are told that just as God rested from His works, so are we. There is only one verse in which we hear that God rested and that is in Genesis 2:2-3 referring specifically to the 7th day sabbath. In fact, the greek for "rest" in vs 9 is "sabbatismos" which means keeping sabbath.
Jesus IS the one that made the sabbath for man! Is is telling everyone...I AM THE CREATOR. Wow!!!
It’s so confusing that Adventists think the Ten Commandments aren’t against us..
@@AnswersTheology they struggle to recognize that the 10 commandments can have a use outside of being underneath them covenantally. That they have been covenantally abrogated but can still have uses outside of that-such as moral imperatives for upstanding living.
Their system is a very watered down, everything is black and white, perfect cookie cutter idea.
The scariest part is that they don't realize the spiritual impact they cause to the gospel of grace. By acknowledgement of the law, there is acknowledgement of sin, and where there is no law there is no sin. So all who preach the law, strengthens sin.
1 Corinthians 15:56
[56]The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
That's why it is written 'if you are under the law, you have fallen from grace'
This is why the law is called a 'curse'...and 'grace' a gift of God!
@@answeringadventism Exactly, just because they have been changed convenantally does not mean we think they don't apply.
@@AnswersTheology bingo. Which is why their “you think we can lie and steal then” argument entirely misses the point.
@@answeringadventism Exactly
Mixing new covenant with old covenant. Does he understand the bible at all?
How is weekly rest and communion with GOD on a day He blessed supposed to burden to man that needs nailing? How is rest supposed to be nailed?
It was, read Hebrews Chapter 4
If to agree Doug Batchelor said "the ordinances were written by Moses," and these ordiinaces were done away so thithe and eating of pork were done away.
Simple logic, Why do they teach these done away to keep or follow it?
Confusing!!!
@@tellmefriend32 and the day of atonement. The day of atonement was a festival ordinance (Leviticus 23). Yet they claim the antitypical day of atonement wasn’t Jesus’s crucifixion day but started in 1844 and is a long drawn out process.
@@answeringadventism
Doug mentioned the ordinances were written by Moses. Moses wrote the 10 commandments can ne read in Exo. 20 and Deut. 5.
Therfore the 10 commandments then are ordinances based on what he said. But on the other side what he said is opposite. Is cofussion based on what he said.
1844 IJ not biblical.
Has anyone realized that someone has to break the sabbath for someone to keep it? Its practically impossible for everyone to keep the sabbath in the a country and still have a functional society.
I've said the same thing about the Torah's 3 mandatory pilgrimages - can you imagine the logistical nightmare if all the Jews & Christians on the planet headed to Jerusalem at the same time?
@@kimartist - " ... Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, Nor Yet At Jerusalem, worship the Father.
Ye worship ye know not what: we Know what we worship: For Salvation Is Of The Jews.
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father In Spirit and in Truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship Him.
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in Spirit and in Truth." - John 4
( *Truth = Psalm 119 : 142 & John 14 : 6 )
Amen to that! I have said that for years. If society stops working on Saturdays what happens to people who need urgent care, what happens when things catch fire, what happens when crimes are committed? Do you just say...wait till Sunday. Same with priest's and Nuns. I assume they live this way because they think it's the right thing to do. But what would happen if everyone lived this way? No one would be fruitful and multiply.
@@buxnmax ... Matt 12 : 11 - 12
"And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days."
It's all well n good to help a neighbor in an emergency situation on the sabbath.. Just not for personal gain or profit... In the promised-Kingdom, there won't be any crimes committed on Shabbat..
We're still in the wilderness now, in which most people are still rebellious, and like to murmur and complain against the Commandments of God, especially the sabbath.. just like the "example of unbelief" of ancient Israel when they were in the wilderness. ( Exodus 16 .. Ezekiel 20 : 12 - 17 )
you show ignorance in your point...humanitarian work is necessary for the benefit of society...should we let a fire burn down a city or a madman kill a 1000 people...Please think a little deeper from principles of scripture....should doctors not save the injured etc.
If salvation is coming from the Law - why did Jesus even come . They want to be under the Law . And therefore will be punished by it . They reject Christ sacrifice and the grace and righteousness by faith that the Father offers us to have our penalty paid by it . None has ever kept the law including the keeping of the Sabbath, the reason the Lord made the way through Christ to come home . But yet Adventism tells us we have to be perfect in keeping the law to be saved , and no I don’t want to step on the law , but it is not a salvational requirement! And the 7th day in Genesis does not have a morning and evening as the days of creation . God did not creat another day . Also , I have to say it again that Deuteronomy 5:15 tells us that the Sabbath is there for the Israelite nation that was led out off Egypt as a memorial that God led them out . Adventism is always quoting the Bible out off context!
@@TheDredog59 the great controversy theme says Jesus came to vindicate the law from Satan’s pre earth accusations that it can’t be kept and needs changed. Jesus proved this is a lie and vindicated Gods character and the law and demonstrated it can and that, with his help, you can too, and side with him in the great controversy and also silence Satan and vindicate God.
Notice what SDA theologian Norman Gulley says on Jesus being a substitute:
“Rightly used, the word “substitutionary” in no way connotes that Christ took our place in living a perfect life so that we do not need to be fitted for heaven! It need not connote this anymore than it connotes that He ascended to heaven in our place. The word “substitutionary,” properly employed, applies solely to Christ’s taking our place at the cross, doing for us what we could never do for ourselves, that is, perish in the second death (Revelation 20:6) and still live for eternity. In paying the price for our sins He alone could be our substitute. This is the most glorious good news-the wondrous exchange.”-NORMAN R. GULLEY TOWARD UNDERSTANDING THE ATONEMENT (1990), JOURNAL OF THE ADVENTIST THEOLOGICAL SOCIETY, PG. 68
The Adventist Jesus was only a substitute in so far as he died for you. That’s it. When he says he didn’t live a life so that YOU don’t have to be fitted for heaven, he means sinless perfectionism. That Jesus’s perfect sinless life is not yours, only his substitutionary death. You must get to a sinlessly perfect condition identical to his, with his help, because the law must be vindicated in you and satan silenced so that the Adventist god can be vindicated from Satan in the great controversy.
So interesting. I had never thought that through before... so God only made 6 days? Or only one day that repeats itself infinitely? OK now I'm confused 😅 It's just interesting to me, because SDAs constantly say God MADE the 7th day & THAT'S why we should honor it... but what if there's only one day that repeats itself endlessly? If the pattern being prescribed is 6 days for work & a day off for rest, then it wouldn't matter which day of the week it occurred on as long as long as the pattern was maintained? Just wrestling with the puzzle you presented. (I'm not SDA, btw. Just an ordinary Christian rather appalled with this convoluted system SDAs have created for themselves.)
@@answeringadventism tells me Adventist are not Christians in theory . Many are though not knowing what Adventism is , But they are walking on thin ice . This denomination , that I once was part of preaches the Sabbath . The gospel as per the Bible is not preached . Adventist don't want to lead people to Christ , they are looking to make Adventist . Seventh Day is in their name . Notice they pray on Christians that are unsure , just like JW .
Luke 1 : 5 - 6
5 "There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless."
Adventist like to mentally put TEN in front of commandments even though it is not there , and 10 usually means 4th
What is the Sabbath ? "The" seventh day is the Sabbath, Exd 20 : 10. liv 23 : 3. Deut 5 : 14. It is the day that is "the" Sabbath, not first nor the sixth day but "the" seventh day is the Sabbath. A day God blessed , A day which memorialized creation Rev 20 : 10 -11 a day that acknowleged the creator Rev 4 : 10 - 11. Thats why He is Lord of the Sabbath Isa 58 : 13 His holy day, the Lord's day Rev 1 : 10.
How can the day change ? Is there still "the" seventh day ? can another day be the momorial of creation ?
After all this time, you guys still don't get it. God's sabbath is not the same as Israel's sabbath. He does not have the rules that you have. You are commanded to rest and not work. Not God. God doesn't get up on Monday morning, restart the process of creation, and take Saturday off every week. It's that simple
What is the 6th commandment? The commandment against murder? The commandment that should put the final nail in the coffin of abortion, which you guys sanction, which your health "care" facilities perform. It is a negative coping mechanism to compensate for your church's lack of true commandment keeping by hyper-focusing on one of the ten while practically ignoring one of the others.
So my question is now what it always is: Are you people the true, commandment-keeping, remnant people of God or not? Or, do you fail at any point?
@@otgenesis5046 they really don't and it's quite sad. Hosea prophecies that the Sabath will cease chap 2vs11, Isaiah 1vs 13 says God hates the Sabbath and He points us to Jesus. It's mind boggling why this isn't clear.
@@Tashana321all of those verses are as clear as day. think they are having a hard time dealing with the fact that they have been lied to for so long by people they trust. As long as they keep visiting other channels and listening to the real gospel, there is hope for them
@@Tashana321 that whole pre earth story should be more than enough to turn and run. Satan didn't even know who Jesus is. A Jesus that didn't even exist yet. Where did He get His body? Mary, and the entire human race didn't even exist. I shake my head too.
NO ONLY ONE LAW!!!
Do not start lying again!!!
2 Corinthians 3:5-18 NKJV - Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God, 6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Glory of the New Covenant
7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. 10 For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels. 11 For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious.
12 Therefore, since we have such hope, we use great boldness of speech- 13 unlike Moses, who put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the end of what was passing away. 14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ. 15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart. 16 Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Can u provided bible verses to support that the book of law consists of the 10 Cs
@@georgeraulwood9399 answeringadventism.com/is-the-law-of-moses-the-same-as-the-law-of-god/
@georgeraulwood
The first 5 books of the bible IS the Book of the Law.. C'mon man!
@@LoCoWi i didnt knew man 😅
Recently i was able to discover this Torah word
Everything is in Christ.....did SDA ever hear about the lamb slain before the foundation of the world...before there was a Sabbath...therefore Christ is the eternal rest
Hmm interesting point!
Note this:...Col. 2:16 says - let no man judge you in meat /food or drink -or in respect of a holy day - a new moon -or of the Sabbath days. My point is - these points or items are not mentioned in the Moral law of the 10 commandments of Exodus 20 - BUT they are mentioned in the Ceremonial laws of Moses...And these laws were abolished when Christ died because they served as a shadow to point to Christ who was to come. But once He came those laws or rites were no longer needed. See Hebrews 10: 1-2; 9: 9-10. God wrote the Moral law with His finger -Moses wrote the ceremonial with his 'Hand". God placed the 10 commandments inside the Ark -Moses placed his ceremonial laws outside the Ark. (Dt.10: 5 & 31:26) The Moral law is permanent - the Ceremonial temporary. So, Myles is working for the devil and leading others into error and potentially eternal ruin of which he will one day account. All Christians keep 9 commandments but break the 4th which is the true Sabbath day. Friday evening sunset to Saturday evening sunset is the sabbath...Leviticus 23: 32....Also, God wrote the 10 on stone signifying eternality whereas Moses wrote his on some type of parchment which would decay signifying a temporary nature.
Doug ironically refutes Adventism when he clings to the Ten Commandments (written on stone by God) from the rest of the laws of Moses (written on paper by hand). Because just abolished the dietary laws of Leviticus 11 that SDAs adhere to. That’s part of Paul’s point in Col. 2:16 & Rom. 14:3, that what one eats has no bearing on their relationship with God, something at odds with the “Health Reform” that Ellen says “God’s People” will be stridently keeping before the 2nd Coming!
According to Scholar and Theologian John Stott, Romans 14 is about what days to fast on...And as far as I know or believe, Moses did not deal with that issue in his ceremonial laws ...so both Doug and everyone else on here is confused about the context...And further, health laws were given before the nation of Israel was formed...they were given to Adam then Noah...read Gen. 7....on the Ark Noah took 2 unclean animals and 7 clean....No wonder Christians argue over scripture
What are your thoughts on Isiah 66
Nothing God gave to Moses was preached to gentiles. Act 15. Why didn't God allow Jews to spread the laws but sent Jesus to come and die for all flesh so that we are saved by faith through him?????
@@robe9042 are you referring to Isaiah 66:23 ?? The verse is speaking about worship of God occurring every day. From “sabbath to sabbath” and from “new moon to new moon” refer to continuous 24-hour worship of God. It’s not talking about keeping the sabbath nor the new moon (which SDAs do not keep) in heaven. In the new heaven and new earth there will be no more sun.
You are right ---God did not tell the Gentiles through Moses - not to kill or commit adultery....did you write your comment in your sleep or your delusion...sorry but asinine comments require certain responses
Romans 14 according to John Stott and others is referring to days of "fasting." So as far as I know the ceremonial laws never dealt with proper days to fast on. So, Pastor Doug is wrong, but neither does it support breaking the 7th day Sabbath nor the uplifting of Sunday. Col. 2 does state that the ceremonial laws are no longer binding on Christians but the Moral law of the ten commandments are still binding...let no one tell you otherwise, especially Myles Christian.....and maybe the traditional teachings of the Jews may have taught a certain day for fasting as they were held as binding as the other laws of God
It helps if you actually listen to the videos you are commenting on and not make assumptions.
My God! This is absolute murdering of the Word of God! I literally cringed at his every word and twisting of the scriptures. Due to EGW'S legacy, Adventists pastors continue to read the Bible backwards by moving between OT and NT, manipulating scriptures at will.
Adventists have to make up their minds: one is either a follower and doer of the OT - ALL of 603 by-laws, together with the 10 - making it 613! (Deut. 27:26) If one is a follower and doer of the NT, one can't go back to the OT Law of Moses - given by God - because Christ, SENT BY THAT SAME GOD has already fulfilled all the requirements of the Law which was AGAINST US - Jews and Gentiles - as Paul teaches in the NT.
The Bible is not disjointed, it follows the UNIFIED story of Christ. Moses told Israel that God would raise a prophet like him - among them - and they were to listen to him (Deut. 18:15) He told them this because God had already told him same (Deut. 15:18-19) This was REPEATED by Peter in Acts 3:22. JESUS CHRIST was the one Moses had spoken about; He was the one referenced by Peter. John says it plainly: "For the Law - (meaning the WHOLE BOOK OF THE LAW) - was given by Moses BUT grace and truth came by Jesus Christ (John 1:17) You either follow Moses - or Christ!
The Law of Moses, as referenced by Christ, in Luke 24:44, consists of the 5 Books of Moses or Pentateuch (Greek word) OR Torah (Hebrew word). Do Adventists know or consider the fact that the Hebrew Bible, the TANAKH, consisting of the Torah, Nevi'im and Ketuvim (5 Books of Moses, plus the Prophets and other writings) The Hebrew Bible do not contain the New Testament.
All this means that the it's really "the Jews Sabbath," and they valued THEIR SABBATH, hence Christ left it for them and didn't make a big deal of it - neither did His disciples (Rom. 14:5-6) and in the days of Moses; their fathers, GENTILES (also referred to as STRANGERS in the OT) did not have the Law or were keeping ANY SABBATH. Paul said it in Romans 2:14. Reading through Exodus to Malachi verifies that. Before Christ, Gentiles were not considered "People of God!" In the OT, Gentiles were: Israel's enemies, the surrounding nations, Strangers! Modern Jews still see non- Jews/Gentiles as strangers, not being God's people. And does Doug know that the Orthodox Jews - Judaizers - who don't believe in Christ - still keep as many of the OT feasts so his interpretation of Rom. 14:5-6 doesn't hold water...and which Jew "esteemeth every day alike," when the 7th day Sabbath was cherished; that it had been given to THEIR FATHERS; THEIR GENERATIONS BY GOD? See how Adventists themselves "esteemeth one day above another!" Oh, Doug! Try again 😂
Before Christ came, any Gentile/non-Jew - particularly, a male, who chose to serve the "God of Israel," had to be CIRCUMCISED because the Jews were still under the Law of Moses. (Shh...Is Doug circumcised? 😀) This is so much because, as is their trademark, Adventists MISREPRESENT scripture!
Anyways, NONE OF THE SCRIPTURES quoted by Doug from the OT to make his erroneous case for the Sabbath has ANY references to the New Testament! 2 Chr. 33:8 is referenced to 2 Sam. 7:10....Deut. 4:13 is referenced to Deut. 9:9, 11; Ex. 34:28; Ex. 24:12 Deut. 4:14 is referenced to Ex. 21:1 and Chapter 23; 2 Kings 21:8 also sends you to 2 Sam. 7:10; Deut. 31:26 is referenced to 2 Kings 22:8! Everyone who has a good grasp of the Bible knows that the OT contains mainly the history of Israel with God. It's there for our learning.
Did Doug read the preceding verses of Deut. 4 before he violently seized verses 13-14? The Bible has to be read in context, not pouncing on single scriptures that seem to support their beliefs.
Christ referenced the OT on many occasions to show the Jews that His words came from THEIR SCRIPTURES; that His words came from God; therefore, whatever words that didn't come from the mouth of Christ - or His disciples - whatever COMMAND THAT CHRIST DID NOT REPEAT FROM THE OT; whatever is not commanded by Christ in the NT is certainly not compulsory, not binding on His followers BECAUSE GOD DID NOT GIVE HIM, CHRIST, THOSE WORDS!
Finally (still 😀) God's Law is ONE WHOLE - ONE BODY - INDIVISIBLE! You break one, you break all. (James 2:10) This was for the Jewish Christians who still wanted to keep the Law of Moses - and for Gentile Christians under the Law of Liberty! ADVENTISTS, there's no liberty under 613 LAWS, Law of Moses, 10 Commandments. Make up your mind...MOSES OR CHRIST! Research into the 10 Commandments, on a Jewish website, will tell you that there is ONE CEREMONIAL LAW in the 10 Commandments and that is the Sabbath Law! ....Whoosh! 😀
Has doug ever led anyone to the Lord?
@@bekisto82thousands to the false gospel leading them to damnation
To Our Lord, or The SDA Organization? They are not synonymous. I never could endure that man. "Right Friends?"
@@cindiloowhoo1166 The LORD said, the sabbath was made for man..99% of Christians respond..."Up yours, JESUS"
@@Jessaba Have you read the whole bible ONCE?
@bobreese4807 have you read the bible at least once without the lens of ellen g white?
,, Chapter and verse in the Bible please, on where i can read that - the sabbath has been "changed" to the first day of the week, "according to the new creation"?? Thx ...
Acts 13;42.... why didnt gentiles who were apparently not Jews beseech Paul to preach to them on christian sabbath as you claim? There no two sabbath days by two different groups in the bible
I asked:
According to Exodus 31:12-17 and Deut 5:1-3, who is it that God made the Shabbat covenant with?
a. Israel
b. The Gentile nations
c. Israel and the Gentile nations
Very simple, multiple choice question and yet..... they refused to answer 🤣🤣🤣
These passages are the crux of the Shabbat covenant and yet their comprehension level suddenly become not only zero but minus 😆
If you read the account of the Sabbath in particular, it was for the Israelites and for the strangers, aka non Israelites. Not necessarily so with the ordinances which in many cases required circumcision before one could participate. In some cases, generations had to go by before participation would take place.
And in reading the NT, we are all Israel who believe. So we are all grafted into the promises and have the same covenant...Love and honor God above all and He will welcome us into the Promised land.
@@alllthatinacan no need to complicate things, let's just go with simple things that people can see from the bible itself, verbatim!
So again,
According to Exodus 31:12-17 and Deut 5:1-3, who is it that God made the Shabbat covenant with?
a. Israel
b. The Gentile nations
c. Israel and the Gentile nations
Very simple, multiple choice question. The passages are not that long and they are clear cut, crystal clear, no doubt whatsoever.
Your answer, please.
@@StPeter-zh1rk Go to the beginning...Genesis 2:2-3. There was no jew. And jesus specifically says sabbath was made for "man" Mark 2:27)
If you want to fast forward to Exodus, sabbath was well before chapter 31 and before Mt Sinai where the covenant was made...but to play along, the Covenant was made with Israel.
And you are Israel if you have faith in Jesus Christ. So you should keep the sabbath if you believe in Jesus.
Galatians 3:28,29 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed
Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
@@alllthatinacan You want to try to answer?
For the 2nd time, I'm not asking for YOUR OPINION, I'm asking:
ACCORDING TO THESE BIBLE VERSES Exodus 31:12-17 and Deut 5:1-3, WHO IS IT THAT GOD MADE THE SHABBAT COVENANT WITH?
a. Israel
b. The Gentile nations
c. Israel and the Gentile nations
Very simple, multiple choice question. Read the passages and then answer it. There is really no confusion. I don't need you trying to explain things to me coz I read the same passages too but you arrive at a different conclusion away from the passages I mentioned because you have SDA glasses on when you read them.
Come on, let's see your answer! Is it A or B or C? Very easy, right?
@@StPeter-zh1rk Please reread my response carefully. You did not see that I answered your question.
loved the video, but when I last used this answer they told me that the 10 commandments were still in the Heavenly ark of the Covenant because the earthly one was a copy so I'm still not sure how to answer that?
Yes Revelation 11:19. Does anyone really believe this ark is empty? or that it only has 9 commandments? The commandments were written by God personally in stone, and spoken by His own voice.
@@alllthatinacan Well, God also directly spoke to Abraham and told him circumcision was necessary. But obviously, that's not important anymore. So I'm not exactly sure what's in the heavenly. Arc of the covenant. I don't think it's necessarily empty, but is there a vers of the bible that says the ten commitments are also in the heavenly ark?
@@bekisto82 Also, please don't tell me what I believe you don't know anything about me.
@@bekisto82 I'm trying to figure it out right now. Right now, it seems like if keeping the sabbath is still necessary. That contradicts with a lot of the New Testament. Or at the very least, makes it extremely confusing. Which we know. The Bible says God is not God of confusion, so it doesn't really fit with me. That the Sabbath is still necessary. But I'm not gonna just say it's impossible because I want to know the truth
@@RemingtonTripp
Let's put it this way...If it was necessary to keep the sabbath, it would be necessary to keep all of the law, which is impossible. The blood of the new covenant made us free from the law of sin and death. Now we are free to live unto God. If the law could free us from sin, Jesus Christ died in vain.
sabbath is a weekky custom..ceremony..cant be the true
sabbath since the true sabbath has NO evening and norning . Gen 2v2
YOU LIED!!!!
Excellent Clip ✌️😎
The Sabbath has been a blessing for me. Will God punish me because i keep the Sabbath? Matthew 7:23
"I never knew you...depart from me, you who practice lawlessness "
This anti-adventist is confused. Now claims not all ceremonial laws were nailed on the cross. Holy blessed and sanctified sabbath was?
Doug the butcher bachelor
Honest Adventist don't read the bible they only memorized verses.
And I still have my Bible bookmark ribbons to prove it. Ex-SDA for many years now.
An Adventist for many years and I can attest that we love the word and study deeply.
@@alllthatinacan words of verses yeah 💯
@@qanaqa33174 if that's the case, please enlighten me on what I am misunderstanding from scripture.
He’s is not speaking truth. Doug speaks to his followers as though they are empty headed.
😂😂😂. The moon and sun were created on fourth day. There were days even before the sun was created, even nights too. We dont need the sun to count days in heaven. Otherwise, how would the thousand years in heaven be counted at the end of time? Antiadventists gospel is weird
😂😂. Adventists worship God on the day God said, on the day Jesus worshipped and on the day desciples did
by the looks of the comments this is the place where fools gather to dine on rebellious ignorance
It helps if you actually look into where you’re commenting. This platform isn’t for SDAs. Right, we get Adventists think Christians are fools. And we think you’re deceived and lost. We don’t lose sleep over the opinions of cultists.
@@answeringadventism ..............if its not for SDA's why have you dedicated your life and platform to denigrating that church....if you can criticize the church then we can criticize you and your twisted views on Adventism...try speaking the truth not just your concealed anger
David, it would do you well to read the mission statement of the organization you’re engaging. That’s why I said it actually helps if you look into where you’re commenting.
“Why have you dedicated your life and platform to denigrating that church”
Just totally baseless and unfounded claims that show you’re confused. We can’t help you if you’re unable to read a paragraph mission statement and actually learn what’s going on.
@@answeringadventism your mission is to destroy Adventism and preach false doctrines...you will one day answer to God for that...send me your mission statement I'll read it but i won't sit silent while you work for the Devil
do you think we will let you confuse people and tear down the truth...you never understood Adventism....they are correct, i was not born into SDA church
only 8 were saved on the Ark...I see the same mentality here...pure willful ignorance
This guy is confused. The law that was nailed on the cross was the requirement to kill adulterers , not the do not commit adultery. Sabbath was made before there was need for a christ. Had man chosen not to sin, sabbath would still have existed, a savoiur would not . Anti-adventists are confused
El Sábado, de la creación!
De creacion si, no de salvacion....
The Sabbath wasn’t given to honor nor praise creation. The Sabbath for the Israelite to STAY IN THERE PLACE/REST was for freedom from slavery. The Festivals sabbaths were for scarifications TO WORSHIP GOD
A diferencia de la Ley de Colocenses, el Sabath, no se debe al PECADO! El Sabath, es parte de la Ley moral!... perpetuo, everlasting, sin cesar, para siempre.... incluso para el cielo....! .
El ceremonial y sus servicios, eran tipo de Jesús, " el tipo se encontro con el antitipo" ... con lo verdadero,.....el tipo vino a ser sombra!
SABBATH TRASHING insults, JESUS, HOLY SPIRIT and ALL 4 GOSPEL writers.... John’s gospel account, inspired by HOLY SPIRIT and recorded..80-110 AD “Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.” JN 21:25 John includes at least 8 explanatory and time sequence/chronology editing comments: 2:2, 3:24, 6:71, 7:39, 11:2, 12:16 & 33, 21:19. Why are there ZERO editing words included 50 years or more after JESUS left Earth (New Covenant era) regarding Sabbath cessation, abrogation, abolishing, obliteration, being a shadow, fulfilled by Christ, not valid for gentiles.. in any of the sabbath verses of JOHN's sabbath accounts in JOHN's chapters 5,7 and 9 ???? If it was a big deal enough for JOHN to include 3 sabbath encounters in his gospel account, wouldn't it be obvious that he would mention about the disciples/church trashing it and replacing it with a SUNday/Lord's Day observance???? This argument does not get presented or answered in SABBATH/SUNday-Lord's Day debates. Was JOHN a clueless, crazy, stupid idiot????
There's NO insult to the Sabbath to say that it points to Jesus.
Now, I get your point! You must worship SATURN!!!
@@bobreese4807 No, Christians have not "trashed" the seventh day Sabbath. We are saying that the Sabbath points to Christ our Savior because that's what the New Testament teaches.
@@bobreese4807 P. S. John includes the Sabbath Day accounts to show that Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath and fulfilled it. And it shows that Jesus WORKED on the Sabbath. John even says, "For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God." Do you see that? John said Jesus was breaking the Sabbath!
Most preachers, even SDA clergy don't even connect COL 2:16-17 with EZ 45:17 and Heb 10:1
El "antitipico" día de expiación! Desde 1844!
You can't get there from 457 BC to the fall of 1844 with 2300. The math will not let you do it. you're living a lie! Everything you believe is built on that lie!
The Festival sabbaths weren’t for rest, they were to worship God through sacrifices.
Amen
God never told man to worship him on the Sabbath, it was a day of rest,the Jews were slaves 24/7 for 400 yrs they also lost their faith.
God gave them the 10 commandments to live by
@@johnzieba6442 What SDA considers their “weekly” sabbath was for rest.
@@johnzieba6442 Are you talking about the festival sabbaths where sacrifices were made? If so, that’s not true. The purpose of sacrifices was to worship Him.
Dude!!!! The ordinances is the extension of the Ten Commandments. They connect to the Ten like a umbilical cord.
The word "ordinances" in Colossians 2 has nothing to do with the 10 Commandments, the ceremonial law, etc. This is why Greek grammar matters.
answeringadventism.com/was-the-law-nailed-to-the-cross/
Actually, the feast days are called ordinances in the OT and in the NT. The 10 commandments are no where referred to as ordinances. Which makes sense, because the apostles kept all of the 10 commandments, so they obviously were not teaching that they were done away with.
Sabbath trashers are implied in MATT 24:24
Please explain to all of us why we would want to spend eternity with someone who displays such hatred, for anyone to get caught in the fallout?
"You are like the children of dangerous snakes. You cannot say good things when your thoughts are bad. When you speak, your words show what is in your mind." Matthew 12:34 EASV
To anti-sabbath and pro sabbath commentators...HAVE YOU READ THE WHOLE BIBLE ONCE???
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How about pro-Sabbath, anti SDA commentators like me? What would be your question to me?
Yes
You are nothing if not repetitive. You taking a poll here, or what?!?
Hey Myles nice exegesis bro.but your claims are not clear yet.when you decide to have a discussion or debate with the ADL about your views then you can get my and every Bible reading Adventist credence
Bro..they won't debat him. They won't debate anyone
@@otgenesis5046 you referring to Myles or ADL ?
@@danehowell2692 adl
@@danehowell2692 they have been going back in forth for a while. They won't meet myles on a mutual platform. Edwin tries to set all kinds of rules, such as no facial expressions. They aren't trying to speak about SDA like that on a big platform and I know most of them. We have had plenty of debates over the phone. Emotional ones at times but we can still have a conversation and they can have one with myles
The ADL platform is a mutual platform even elce was there the other day.he was even welcomed to join the discussion which he refused.is that all you got and Myles was the one who blocked them
MY COVENANT WILL I NOT BREAK. NOR ALTER THE THINGS THAT HAVE GONE OUT OF MY LIPS -------- PSALMS 89 : 34
FOR I AM THE LORD I CHANGE NOT therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed --------- MALACHI 3 : 6
JESUS CHRIST THE SAME YESTERDAY AND TO DAY AND FOREVER ----------- HEBREW 13 : 8
FOR EVER, O LORD, THY WORD IS SETTLED IN HEAVEN ------------ PSALM 119 : 89
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the father of lights, with whom there is no variableness, neither SHADOW OF TURNING. JAMES 1 : 17
God gave us the gift of the Sabbath mrk 2 : 27. How and when was this changed
And NO, Jesus is not the Sabbath He is Lord of the Sabbath.
Do you live in the New Covenant or the old Covenant? The old Covenant condemns but the new Covenant ends condemnation in the person and work of Jesus Christ. You want to live under the law that condemns, you better be keeping the whole Law, not just the 4th commandment.
I agree. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above.
So, are children a good gift from above? What about that child yet unborn? Is it a human being or not? Is the unborn made in the image of God or not? Does the 6th commandment protect the sanctity of life or not? Is the SDA church still a murdering, damnable, heretical sect or not?
Please justify how the Adventist church can be ok with, and actually perform, abortions.
I know you care about following ALL of God's commandments and I know the 6th commandment is important to you guys, so I'll be waiting for your defense of the unborn with the passion and Scriptures you defend the Hebrew Sabbath.
Thanks!
@@nobody-f5csuch a great point! They are not able to think deeply about subjects especially biblical because they live in their cults in little bubbles & are afraid to be challenged by anyone because all they can do is just keep repeating their key texts their brainwashed to believe!
But the fact that they put so much focusing on defending the 7th day Sabbath & put their lives on the line if necessary.
This is absolutely appalling that they don’t do put all their emphasis on defending defenseless unborn children. SDA hospitals do thousands upon thousands of abortions a year. It’s okay to be complicit in mass murder just as long as they show up to church on the right day!
That’s downright pure evil!!
Amen and Amen. I love this. God just does not change. Why would He take back a beautiful blessing? He didn't and He won't
@@AWW8472 The New covenant is the law written in our hearts and minds. Jeremiah 31:31-34, Hebrews 8:10; Hebrews 10:16. We love to do all that God desires of us because we Love Him. The change is the blood. Before it was ratified in the blood of animals, until precious Jesus gave His own blood.
🔥 but Moses destroyed the ten commandments like 2 times, according to the KJV Bible 🔥 Jesus Christ is the law of Moses, the ten commandments is taught in the home teach the your children the ten commandments and gospel of Jesus CHRIST to have the passion of Jesus Christ GB 🕊️
Revelation. 12:17. The dragon or Satan really hates those who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
What sense does it make to nail the command eg not to lie to the cross, and then to be reinstituted by Jesus? Does not make sense for me.
Sabbath is made for men, not Jews. Jesus own words. Why for men? Because it was instituted at the end of the creation process.
NO ONLY ONE LAW!!!
Do not start lying again!!!