How to Expose Cine4 Correctly - Sony a6300, a6500, a7sii, a7iii
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- čas přidán 31. 07. 2018
- How to Expose Sony Cine4 Correctly Using Zebras. Sony cameras like the a6300, a6500, a7sii, a7iii, etc. have the Zebras feature, so this should be fairly simple. This exposure guide should help pretty much with any picture profile, except for Slog.
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Marcos what lense ur using for this kind of settings?
Informative! Though I knew this it was nice someone put together a video of it. Just wanted to help shed some light on the CINE profiles. CINE1 and CINE4 are very similar. Both have 12 stops of dynamic range (SLOG2 has 14, so relatively close). The CINEs have a very aggressive highlight rolloff though, hence the under exposing by about a full stop (underexposed per metering per say, as it’s correct for the gamma). CINE4 is more shadows and midtones based, while CINE1 is midtones and highlights. In a brighter scenario, with relatively less contrast, CINE1 works wonders. CINE4 still works fine but nonetheless. CINE2 is similar to CINE1, CINE3 to CINE4, but it works within the “legal” color space, so it has less dynamic range (though appears flatter). What I mean by this is CINE1 and 4 clip at 109, whereas CINE2 and CINE3 clip at 100 (legal meaning 16-235, broadcast color space, 0-255, full range).
One of the tricks to help with the aggressive highlight rolloff is to actually shallow out the knee in-camera (or turn it off). Turning it off may lose you a stop-Ish of dynamic range, but because it’s so aggressive, you will immediately see more detail in the highlights. The main benefit to this is that it opens up your exposure window, meaning that if you don’t totally nail the exposure, it’s more forgiving. If you’re pretty dead on with your exposure, and know to under expose, you may not totally see a benefit but nonetheless, experiment with it.
To do this, go into your PP, go to knee, change point to 105%, slope to +5. This is basically turning the knee off. If you still want that knee to optimize dynamic range, but want to smooth it out, simply lower the point (so maybe 100%, +5). I’m still experimenting and haven’t found the ultimate sweet spot, but you get the point.
Thanks for the content!
Thanks for this! I have to try it out.
Nice information, Thank you!
brother, you obvs know your sh*t .
wanted to put a quick query to you , if you dont mind
I always aim for minimal zebra when filming. but i definitely have some .
and then u get home and land up being really under exposed :/
whats that telling me about my camera/setup ?
hi marcos...I'm having a problem with my sony a7sII with a canon zoom lens 24-105 mm with a photodiox adapter. when I change the focal length for example from 30 to 80 mm the image darkens dramatically and the aperture of the diaphragm becomes uncontrollable. I move the wheel and go from one end to the other of the scale of openings and I can not go step by step towards the correct exposure. The same thing happens to me by zooming out. I try it with automatic iso and with iso manual and the same. I also do not have any function of the camera in automatic. It limits me a lot in my work since I end up using fixed focal length lenses. you know what it can be ??
so good bro! great video!
Thanks for the video! What do you do in a run-and-gun situation? Say you are doing a travel video where you may whip out your camera in various lights and locations. How would you (quickly) nail exposure without messing with zebras on peoples faces? ...especially if there isn't a person in your shot?
I would record myself for a couple of seconds and then do a playback to check the exposure until I get it right. Or better yet, I would use an external monitor.
I just shot a music video in Baton Rouge the other night. I had no idea what I was doing but tried to use CINE 4. I used to only do automatic. Which is obviously not the best option. Ever. I’m using a SONY A7IV. I noticed in the shots that a lot of them seemed dark and underexposed. I could see my subjects face but i just felt I may have shot it wrong. I had a light on the top of my camera that I bought from Best Buy but it sometimes creates too much noise if I don’t have my ISO set right. It looks alright but the shadows and highlights seem a little dark. My only question is…. Am I able to expose this in Final Cut Pro and bring out the shadows behind him without creating noise? I’m struggling to understand all of this for some reason.
bro, also.. what color mode do you find better with Cine4 regardless picture profile?
I use Cine 4 Pro most of the time because it is much easier to color grade. I am also experimenting with Cine2 Cinema.
HELLO, GOOD EXPLANATION, WHAT IS YOUR CINEMA 4 CONFIGURATION?
Good information. I am used Sony a 6300.I did experiment with 2 LEd light 500w .those I have set white balance on 5100k and camera also 5100k When I did Custom white balance monitor show total blue.. So guide me.for your kind information I have set camera profile slog 2 cinema 4
How you will exposed this when run and gun situation like wedding outdoor too much different lighting and moving to the gimbal l.
For what i see when he reach the correct exposure, he is in in the -1.5 territory
Marcos, what do you edit your videos in? FCPX or Premiere? It looks like Premiere.
Final Cut Pro X
oh wow. really. great editing dude.
hi Marcos,
Great video! i have question about your shutter speed, when you shoot outside in daylight conditions, what is your shutter speed? 1/500 or more? How do you edit video with high shutter speed like that?
Hope to read you soon !
The rule of thumb is that if you are shooting 24fps, which I am for these videos, your shutter speed should be 1/50th. However, I bring up the shutter speed as high as I need to when I am outside. It is not ideal to crank up the shutter speed, but in run and gun situations like Weddings, I end up doing it. You can buy an ND Filter so you don't have to do that. I edit my videos the same way. The only thing a higher shutter speed affects is motion blur. You will not see motion blur as much with a higher shutter speed. In this video I shot it at 1/100th Shutter Speed.
Thanks for your answer, I have the same problem with my mavic pro. I use an ND16 and set 24fps but when I fly in sunny daylight I have to set my shutter speed to 1/400 or more some time. And the videos have a weird look
Do you add motion blur in post production?
Get an ND 32 for the Mavic on really bright days.
Where could I find sine 4 option in sony a 7iii? There is no picture profile available like cine 4. I have cine 1 cine 2
You have to change the profile to Cine4. I like to go to PP8 and change the profile from Slog3 to Cine4 and the Gamut to PRO. I hope this helps.
Nice dude! So, you decided to pull the trigger on the A7sii eh?
Yeah man, I get hired by other Wedding Filmmakers and they kind of expect me to show up with the same camera they are shooting with. Plus, I wanted to test for myself if it is an all around better camera.
I always aim for minimal zebra. but i definitely have some .
and then u get home and im really under exposed :/
whats that telling me about my camera, or setup ?
thanks in advance (anyone)
Curious why don’t you use ND filters?
Any ideas why i get a lot of noise in the dark areas when i shot in cine4?
You probably need to use more lights is my guess. Try to light up the scene and then lower the shadows in post.
what are u shooting at 80,000 iso? lol
Parallax Peak because he is using a low light monster the a7sii
Is ok to use this settings for all day run and gun wedding shooting?
Yeah, I've shot weddings in Cine4 and Cine2
@@MarcosRochaTV awesome. Thank you 🙂
There is a rule of thumb that your shutter speed should be twice the frame rate, and in this video it's shown that you are shooting at 24fps but you put your shutter speed at 1/100. Is there any particular reason for that?
Great that you noticed. Sometimes I break those rules because I don't mind if I don't get the proper "motion blur." I had my ISO set to 100 and I wanted my aperture to be where it was, my lights would not dim lower -- therefore I had to crank up my shutter speed a little bit. I should have used an ND filter to maintain the proper shutter speed to frame rate ratio.
@@MarcosRochaTV Thank you very much for your reply. I'm gonna try setting Zebras the way you did. I'll be shooting videos where I'm indoors talking directly do a camera, and when it comes to light I only have a video LED light with a softbox. Might also use a foam as a reflector.
When it comes to shooting outdoors, I couldn't really get satisfactory results; everything looks just super-overexposed. Guess I need to invest in an ND filter.
- is nailed the exposure
Thanks bro!!
you got it
Thank you for this....still a beginner with a lot to learn!!! But def helped a lot!!
will this work for cine 2? or do the values change?
The exposure settings are pretty much the same.
I see zebras all over the place when set it to 65 (+ - 5) why is that ?
It's telling you the exposure level. Those places have an IRE value of 65 +- 5
Marcos Rocha so my exposure is wrong ?
not necessarily. Check the exposure on your face because that is what needs to be exposed correctly first and foremost (in most cases).
Marcos Rocha thank for the help really appreciate it
i liked seeing this movie. keep going 😀
I will.. thanks
so i mean???? whats the proper exposure level for Cine 4??? maybe i missed it but i dont think he said it
Around 65 IRE
underexposing by 0.7/-1 as it seems...still...calling it "nailing the exposure" is wrong...as you gotta UNDERexpose a tad for what he's sayin
When i shot in Cine 4 with higher ISO with my A7 III there is so much noise and in post you cant really do much about it.
Caplets I've noticed that also. What Bout ur exposure level, what do u expose yo?
most of the time a little overexposed, because i dont know whats the best for cine 4. You can reduce a litte of the noise by lowering the shadows in post BUT not the blacks cause they only add more noise. I got a profil in my camera that works perfect at ISO 5000. But you cant grade it because it is not really flat. There is no nois but with cine 4... I mean where is the trick to get some nice and clean image out of maybe iso 3200? Not a big deal for the A7III.
Finally someone who knows what hes talking about
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Everyone else I’ve seen exposes +0.3-0.7 .. interesting you underexpose
In the middle of a huge comparison video between cine 2 and 4 and slog 2 and 3
awesome!
I’m really annoyed with my Sony. Shooting Fujifilm for 7 years and you can shoot in any Film simulation (over 85 years worth of film stock experience from Fuji in their color science) you want and get clean beautiful colors out of camera. You need to do extra in post to squeeze what you can out of that 8 bit and in the end sometime it’s not any better than what Fuji gives you out of camera. I’m selling my Sony and adding another Fuji to the fleet. Its nice having that 4K 60fps and 10 bit.
ND filters should Ron everyone’s camera.
Fam doesn’t seem too sure
Yea i hate those who over expose their videos its stupid
Could be a choice, stylistically speaking...but yea I agree, generally looks awful
You're shooting 1/100 shutter at 24fps. You can get away with that for a sitdown interview, but shoot any motion and it will look unnatural as fuck. I'm leaning toward you don't know what you're talking about
You might think that. I crank up my shutter speed all the time, especially for Documentary work. I've worked with Professional Filmmakers, sometimes you have to break the rules.
"I don't shoot with ND filters for no reason"
ok