It wasn't just Ellis leaving. It was her leaving with Meredith, and taking his baby away. That broke him. She never gave thatcher a choice in custody she just decided that she would take Meredith. Meredith grew up and Thatcher did not know how to be there for him. Everybody gives Richard sympathy, but no one gives Thatcher sympathy when the reality is that Ellis robbed both men of a chance to get to know her daughter.
@@lauraschoenborn3544 that is true on both counts but thatcher knew he had a child ad did nothing to fight Ellis for his child or the right to see her and he could have but was afraid of Ellis and just walked away
@@dorislacaze8475 Thatcher was weak, but at the same time I sympathize with him. Yes, he should have fought harder rather than leaving Meredith with an emotionally abusive and absent mother. But also knowing Ellis she would not have let him. I honestly think she moved Mer to Boston so Thatcher could not find them.
@@lauraschoenborn3544 No thatcher knew where they are but he was reluctant to fight fir her daughter he just forgets about her and start a new family, he could have atleast go to court and fight for her he could have got the custody because Ellis never cared about Mer.
I always loved this because George has no reason to do any favours for Meredith at this point, but he still tries to spare her pain because he's always a good person even to people who don't deserve it.
@@thundercookie1014 Cristina does a great takedown of Meredith for her behaviour, Meredith knew exactly what she was doing, she used his feelings his feelings for her to use him for sex as a distraction from her own problems.
J E Lyon George was just as responciable for the bad sex ,as mer, she was sad Lonely depressed rejected George had a crush on someone he knew didn’t feel that way about him he knew she was in love with Derek and only cared for hi as a friend and yet he took advantage of her sad Lonely feeling and pursued a sexual encounter with her yes she should have said your my friend be my friend but she was feeling rejected again and he was there telling her all the things she needed to hear but he should have been her friend , so George needs to stop his nuts and man up to his part of the responsibility for a bad sexual encounter cause they didn’t have sec they had heavy make out not sex
I know right he's like, the two guys captured the awkwardness of this moment perfectly. Webber's nervousness, trying to leave before Thatcher recognizes him. And Thatcher's pure bitterness towards Richard.
@Kranky. K! THANK YOU! she changed her mind, that’s all! she was drunk and he was fine, don’t hook up with someone that’s so wasted, they can’t even give their consent. i hate how the show made her the bad cop for something very normal.
Wait am I the only person who really dislikes George, like the way he treated Callie and it was unfair of him to express his feelings to Mer when she was vulnerable
The look on George's face when Thatcher says that Meredith came to see him a couple weeks ago is clearly the moment her forgave Meredith for what happened because he finally understood why she was upset and acted the way she did.
She didn't need forgiving. He KNEW she was still devastated over Derek, he just went in because he wanted her and didn't care about her feelings at all.
I never really liked Thatcher... He's a self-righteous arse, who abandoned his daughter to the woman who 'broke' him, and didn't ever come back for her... Toxic relationships are horrible and Ellis and Thatcher were the epitome of a toxic relationship... But I hate that Thatcher doesn't even seem aware of the damage he did to Meredith, not just in leaving her, but in leaving her alone with Ellis, until he comes back with his new, whole, pretty family and tiptoes around like he can't decide if he even wants to take responsibility for being her dad in the first place...
It wasn't just Ellis leaving. It was her leaving with Meredith, and taking his baby away. That broke him. She never gave thatcher a choice in custody she just decided that she would take Meredith. Meredith grew up and Thatcher did not know how to be there for him. Everybody gives Richard sympathy, but no one gives Thatcher sympathy when the reality is that Ellis robbed both men of a chance to get to know her daughter. The thing is Thatcher felt uncomfortable because he did not raise Meredith. By the time she came back in he did not know how to be a father. Susan pieced him back together and he had the chance to be a loving father. Ellis was a cold woman who only cared about herself.
The song for these scenes is just absolutely perfect for the scene. It brings so much hurt, anger, heartbreak to the surface between two men who have such a bitter history and then the scene where George tells Thatcher how amazing Meredith truly is.
@@Eliza-zr4en not specifically. I think Ellis took Mer away and moved to another place so that thatcher wouldn't see mer again. However, according to Webber, thatcher never fought for legal rights for Meredith, and just let her go with Ellis, which shows he gave up on the family he created with Ellis.
I think Thatcher knew Meredith was till around because when George lied that she had gone, Thatcher’s hesitation showed that he knew George was lying and she was still in the hospital.
Ellis could have just left Meredith with thatcher, Meredith would have been happier that way. Like why did Ellis take her? She didn’t even want kids, it just doesn’t make sense. Both were childish parents who should have never had kids
I never thought of that but you were right. How much happier Mer would have been with a family who loved her. Thatcher would have learned how and I am sure Lexi's mom would have love another daughter. Such a shame.
What a terrible excuse of a father. His child might look like the wife that broke him but she is not her mother and she certainly didn’t ask to be born to these two parents. She deserved none of the rejection and hurt she got. I don’t know how his new wife accepted a man who didn’t fight for his child.
@@anaityketihw Thatcher was weak, and Ellis took meredith and made sure he had no contact with her at all! He did love Meredith, but as an adult he was never sure how he fit in to her life after not being able to raise her.
I know Ellis broke Thatcher and all, but Meredith deserves none of it
It wasn't just Ellis leaving. It was her leaving with Meredith, and taking his baby away. That broke him. She never gave thatcher a choice in custody she just decided that she would take Meredith. Meredith grew up and Thatcher did not know how to be there for him. Everybody gives Richard sympathy, but no one gives Thatcher sympathy when the reality is that Ellis robbed both men of a chance to get to know her daughter.
@@lauraschoenborn3544 that is true on both counts but thatcher knew he had a child ad did nothing to fight Ellis for his child or the right to see her and he could have but was afraid of Ellis and just walked away
@@dorislacaze8475 Thatcher was weak, but at the same time I sympathize with him. Yes, he should have fought harder rather than leaving Meredith with an emotionally abusive and absent mother. But also knowing Ellis she would not have let him. I honestly think she moved Mer to Boston so Thatcher could not find them.
@@lauraschoenborn3544 No thatcher knew where they are but he was reluctant to fight fir her daughter he just forgets about her and start a new family, he could have atleast go to court and fight for her he could have got the custody because Ellis never cared about Mer.
Correct, however NONE, AND I MEAN NONE, of that gives him a right to treat Meredith this way.
Meredith needs to bring back this hair!
I always loved this because George has no reason to do any favours for Meredith at this point, but he still tries to spare her pain because he's always a good person even to people who don't deserve it.
J E Lyon George owed it to her after taking advantage of her, and then yelling at her for crying.
@@thundercookie1014 Cristina does a great takedown of Meredith for her behaviour, Meredith knew exactly what she was doing, she used his feelings his feelings for her to use him for sex as a distraction from her own problems.
J E Lyon George was just as responciable for the bad sex ,as mer, she was sad Lonely depressed rejected George had a crush on someone he knew didn’t feel that way about him he knew she was in love with Derek and only cared for hi as a friend and yet he took advantage of her sad Lonely feeling and pursued a sexual encounter with her yes she should have said your my friend be my friend but she was feeling rejected again and he was there telling her all the things she needed to hear but he should have been her friend , so George needs to stop his nuts and man up to his part of the responsibility for a bad sexual encounter cause they didn’t have sec they had heavy make out not sex
J E Lyon it takes 2 to make a bad sexual decision
Doris LaCaze That’s what Meredith said.
When Webber realizes who it is. Amazing acting.
I know right he's like, the two guys captured the awkwardness of this moment perfectly. Webber's nervousness, trying to leave before Thatcher recognizes him. And Thatcher's pure bitterness towards Richard.
@@lauraschoenborn3544 And Thatcher's reaction when Webber mentions Meredith. Hostility turned to pure curiosity.
T.R Knight was truly a different actor the rest, the way he captured the awkwardness of emotions and delivery of dialogue truly was refreshing.
Yes T R Knight played George very well he’s a really great actor
This is when Mer really hurt George, but he still was there for her, this is the reason why he will always be my fav
@Kranky. K! THANK YOU! she changed her mind, that’s all! she was drunk and he was fine, don’t hook up with someone that’s so wasted, they can’t even give their consent. i hate how the show made her the bad cop for something very normal.
@Kranky. K! no one is at fault here however George's feelings are still valid. after all he still liked Mer and just got rejected
Wait am I the only person who really dislikes George, like the way he treated Callie and it was unfair of him to express his feelings to Mer when she was vulnerable
Mer was hurting herself and tbh he knew that and still let it happen. She was a mess at that point and vulnerable.
@Kranky. K! fax
Love how george is protecting mer so fiercely here just like he always did
The look on George's face when Thatcher says that Meredith came to see him a couple weeks ago is clearly the moment her forgave Meredith for what happened because he finally understood why she was upset and acted the way she did.
She didn't need forgiving. He KNEW she was still devastated over Derek, he just went in because he wanted her and didn't care about her feelings at all.
I never really liked Thatcher... He's a self-righteous arse, who abandoned his daughter to the woman who 'broke' him, and didn't ever come back for her... Toxic relationships are horrible and Ellis and Thatcher were the epitome of a toxic relationship... But I hate that Thatcher doesn't even seem aware of the damage he did to Meredith, not just in leaving her, but in leaving her alone with Ellis, until he comes back with his new, whole, pretty family and tiptoes around like he can't decide if he even wants to take responsibility for being her dad in the first place...
It wasn't just Ellis leaving. It was her leaving with Meredith, and taking his baby away. That broke him. She never gave thatcher a choice in custody she just decided that she would take Meredith. Meredith grew up and Thatcher did not know how to be there for him. Everybody gives Richard sympathy, but no one gives Thatcher sympathy when the reality is that Ellis robbed both men of a chance to get to know her daughter. The thing is Thatcher felt uncomfortable because he did not raise Meredith. By the time she came back in he did not know how to be a father. Susan pieced him back together and he had the chance to be a loving father. Ellis was a cold woman who only cared about herself.
Also we know that ellis never wanted kids so it’s safe to assume he was the one that pressured her to have meredith and then left her
You’ve read all this all wrong…sad
Comment reeks of apathy and self righteousness.
@@nadiadipaola9836 lmao
The early series were so good. I miss this Grey
I was just thinking that
2:34 Meredith's facial expressions is completely underrated. She realized that her father was not the villain she thought he was.
The song for these scenes is just absolutely perfect for the scene. It brings so much hurt, anger, heartbreak to the surface between two men who have such a bitter history and then the scene where George tells Thatcher how amazing Meredith truly is.
Whats the title of the song ?
@@jane_yy87Wreck of the Day
“Her mother never let me know her”
No, Sir!! You didn’t FIGHT FOR YOUR CHILD! You are right though, you ARE A COWARD!!
I really love george here.
I dont get it. Why did Ellis not give Meredith to her father after the divorce? She didn't like being a mother so why keep her around.
Eliza her father didn’t want mer
@@chungleanne2690 where does it say that? How do you know?
@@Eliza-zr4en the show..?
@@chungleanne2690 oh. Does it explicitly say that? Did he say to mer, he didn't want her? Thanks for the reply
@@Eliza-zr4en not specifically. I think Ellis took Mer away and moved to another place so that thatcher wouldn't see mer again. However, according to Webber, thatcher never fought for legal rights for Meredith, and just let her go with Ellis, which shows he gave up on the family he created with Ellis.
It was a bad choice for both of them but they are both good kind people
I think Thatcher knew Meredith was till around because when George lied that she had gone, Thatcher’s hesitation showed that he knew George was lying and she was still in the hospital.
When they talk is when you can really see the similarities between Thatcher and George
Ellis could have just left Meredith with thatcher, Meredith would have been happier that way. Like why did Ellis take her? She didn’t even want kids, it just doesn’t make sense. Both were childish parents who should have never had kids
I never thought of that but you were right. How much happier Mer would have been with a family who loved her. Thatcher would have learned how and I am sure Lexi's mom would have love another daughter. Such a shame.
Very true....
Yep
Ugh I loved George I wish they would've toughened him up a little more I didn't appreciate the double 0 7 thing
You really are a very sweet guy, George. You have a good heart.
I loved George ❤️
This show has such great music.
george here lying through his teeth about meredith´s personality
at 1:23 does the person on the left closest to the camera really remind you of Dr Charles from Chicago Med?
Yes
Meredith’s parents were pathetic to her, I’m glad George confronted her father
This everlovin stupid show is like 20 yrs old, i saw it new and it.still.makes.me.cry.
EVRYONE HAS A MESSED UP PAST I KNOW HER DAD THATCHER COULD OF BEEN THERE FOR HER BUT AT LEAST HE TRIED TO MAKE AMENDS THROUGH OUT THE SHOW
What a terrible excuse of a father. His child might look like the wife that broke him but she is not her mother and she certainly didn’t ask to be born to these two parents. She deserved none of the rejection and hurt she got. I don’t know how his new wife accepted a man who didn’t fight for his child.
CYRUS BEENE
Dr Richard Webber is utterly shameless 😠😠😠
Right
@@Emma-in5dh so is thatcher. He abandoned a kid and decided to move on like it was a walk in a park.
seiixoxo in this comment are we talking about merdith father and besides the reason behind that is because of Richard
WONDER WOMEN Doesn’t matter. Your wife cheats on you? Walk out on her, don’t walk out on your child when she’s 5 years old and never talk to her again
@@anaityketihw Thatcher was weak, and Ellis took meredith and made sure he had no contact with her at all! He did love Meredith, but as an adult he was never sure how he fit in to her life after not being able to raise her.
George needs to get over it. He's just being petty
Song???
"Wreck of the Day" Anna Nalick
lol yesss I knew it >:) I was like "hey this lady sounds like the one who sings 2AM" and what do you know lol can't wait to listen to this one!
1st
Jack Gleeson and only
1st/2st