Can Europe Cope with Orban's Landslide Victory? - TLDR News
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Over the weekend, Hungary's President Viktor Orban was resoundingly re-elected winning a big majority in the country's parliament. This poses a real challenge to the EU, who have been butting heads with the Orban for years now...
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"Can Europe Cope with Orban's Landslide Victory" this question was not even addressed in the video?
It didn’t seem like it was to me
that is what i said when it finished ahhahah
The answer is yes... it changes nothing... I mean it's not like Orban hasn't been in power for the last decade and it's not like he's changed, he's promoting the exact same things he was promoting for years...
@@octavianpopescu4776 Yes but other EU leaders were waiting for this election for maybe move on regarding the issues EU is facing and Orban was blocking. Now, we can't wait more, war is at our doorstep, we cannot wait another term anymore.
@@Kafei01 We can act without them. Hungary clearly doesn't want to be part of the EU anymore, so we can move forward without them or invent new methods to circumvent their necessary agreement.
Guys, not to be mean, but get your facts right. There where elections in 1990 and 1994, but there were no elections in 2004 and 2009…
They always make mistakes like this
It’s really embarrassing how much stuff like this gets into their videos
Yeah, I agree with the sentiment that these videos are sloppily made more often than their desired image would allow.
I would have even considered subscribing to the paid channels if it weren't for after-filming corrections instead of new takes when they get something wrong, and the sheer amount of facts they get wrong. It doesn't take that long to do some proofreading on Wikipedia ffs.
In this particular video they suggested, without proof, that the opposition alliance was dragged down by Jobbik and that this was the main cause for their failure. Again, their desired image does not allow for this elementary-school-level of sourcing.
@@cyrusthagreat6649 They had a recent video on European alliances and when they showed map of Visegrad, they included Romania while not including Czechia.
I have seen these little mistakes in other vids. Bad quality control.
its not always a mistake...
Saw some people here say something to the effect of "now that Poland is mad at Hungary, that means Poland is less likely to veto sanctions on Hungary".
However, if Poland casts away one of the few countries who supports them, who will veto sanctions on Poland? So I dont think Poland will ever give up such a valuable ally within the EU. Its suicidal for the Polish government.
They'll have Ukraine if and when they join :P
It's suicidal if Orban vetos sanctions on Russia, or anything against Russia, Orban is the biggest supporter of Putler as he imports 80% gas from them
True. Unless EU is willing to pay the price of a non veto from Poland...
I think sanction against Poland should be lifted and EU should focus only on Hungary.
Poland is not that bad, and Poland is on the good side on the Russia/Ukraine issue, let Poland be and focus on Hungary.
@@Kafei01 As long as they use their veto power to protect Hungary even while its on "the bad side" then they are just as complicit.
Political parties have got to learn that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" strategy is not necessarily a good one.
False. It is always a good strategy. The misconception is you expecting such an alliance to last. It was always supposed to be temporary.
@@elias_xp95 That happened in my country. While the opposition coalition did win the General Election, difference in ideology eventually tore the coalition apart and a new un-elected government was formed out of treachery. Take a wild guess which country.
Ala, the Tories and the DUP
@@elias_xp95 not out of character for you then
It's not a good strategy but it's the best chance that small disorganized parties trying to fight and democratically organize against a party in government that has total control over an authoritarian state structure have.
Small note: MSZP is as socialist and left wing as the Conservatives are in the UK, they are the legal successor to MSZMP, the state party that was in power during the Soviet era. (I.e. they were the Communist Party of Hungary, with compete control of the state, and no opposition parties were allowed).
Before Orban they were the biggest buddy-buddies with Putin.
Ssssh.. Noone wants to talk about this now... ;)
Yes, but MSZP became a moderate social democrat party who in some policies is even neo-liberal instead. Many of those old commie guys eventually ended up in Fidesz and Fidesz in some economical policy aspects is more leftist than anything on the left today. Considering their centralisation and censorship tendencies and building on the nostalgia for the commie days I'd call Fidesz the true heir of the old commie MSZMP party. One funny thing is that back in 2010 Orban complained that the constitution dates back to 1949 and therefore stalinist (obvious bullshit) and then asked a very prominent old commie MSZMP leader to work on a new constitution to replace the stalinist one :D
@@petrisz Fidesz is more like a Horthy-nostalgia party, their rhetorics, and way of government and organizing the economy, is very similar to that of the Horthy regime. Their stance on elitism is also very similar.
Also, the MSZP is only socialist by name. No socialist would ever call their program socialism.
Yes and they are the main reason why the left can not have a new face. Partially the reason for the massive fail.
Its funny to see TLDR stand against the AMS voting system in Hungary's case when they were so supportive of it in Scotlands case, arguing it to be a more proportional system taking steps towards representative democracy.
They did not stand against it, they just described it.
In case of Hungary, this system contributes to Fidesz victory because practically Fidesz is the only big party: the opposition is hopelessly fragmented.
Exactly. A Brit denouncing the Hungarian system which has some proportional representation compared to their own which has none is hilarious.
@@user-nf9xc7ww7m Scotland only has a limited form of PR. And that particular PR system was created in such a way as to deny the Nationalists an outright majority while keeping the rump Unionist parties (Labour, Conservatives and Liberal Democrats) in the game. The fact that Scottish voters saw through this Unionist scam and have managed to keep the Nationalists in power for the past 15 years is absolutely hilarious.
They are politicly correct and supportive of libs, soc dems, green sh*t so what do you expect everybody thinks politicly correct not politicly right.
As a Norwegian I have no strong feelings one way or the other here. As long as the elections are free and executed properly, then it's ok in my book. Hungarians are free to chose whomever they want.
But to me it sounded like the opposition didn't have anything to offer other than "not being Orban". It's not hard to win, when that is your opposition's main selling point.
Free and executed properly.... Oh my sweet child.
@@ulizez89 - how so?
neutral response
The election was free but the playing field was heavily tilted to one side. The Hungarian national television, which has a huge budget paid by tax payers money, is pushing the FIDESZ propaganda 24/7. For example, in the last 4 years the opposition got only 5 minutes of air time, 5 minutes that they have to provide by law for every party before elections. Other than that the opposition only appears in cut out half sentences presented out of context in a negativ manner. Most of the voters are getting their information from the national TV but most of the private tv channels and newspapers are also owned by Orbans friends and there are other things as well, having two thirds of the power it's easy for him to change the rules during the game. You know, Putin's popularity actually grew in Russia since the war. It's sad how media propaganda can still influence the masses. I'm not a fan of the Hungarian opposition but everything is better than an authoritarian government modelled by the schematics of Putin's Russia.
The elections aren’t fair at all. See Adam Something’s recent community post on the subject.
In Croatia the governing majority won 17% and has 51% of parliament, used the same princip Orban did with giving voting rights to diaspora but basically allowed only their party members to vote becazse you have to wait in line for 2 hours to vote and nobody who doesnt have financial insentive will wait that much. But nobody bats an eye because the government is pro-centralised European Union....
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Well, that means that the voting rights are probably breaching the EU law / policy. There is a chance that any EU intervention is futile because that's ultimately " your problem " as a sovereign state
Wtf are you talking about?
The governing party, or right wing coalition of parties that won the last election in croatia got 37% of the vote and got 66 seats, which means they control 43% percent of the parliment.
They then to actually get control had to negotiate with more parties to secure an actual majority.
Plenty of people have noticed. The problem is that the EU hasn't been given enough powers to enforce democratic standards in nation states.
@@ems7623 The same way the EU noted Madrid's brutality in Barcelona? If you want to see violation of basic human rights than look no further. Yet it is all cool, after all Madrid is governed by liberals.. Yes we get the standards.
Mind you Ukraine passed a bill, preventing minorities to use their native language in public buildings. A massive violation of human dignity and rights. The EU commented it was an internal affair.. just saying.
Low taxes in Hungary? What? Income tax + employer tax is around 50% combined with another 27% VAT (highest in EU) on 99% of goods and services.
15% social security + 18,5% personal income tax + 15% social security payed by the employer + 27% VAT + annual househol tax (3,6% of value of house) + annual car tax (depends on car's age) + annual land tax (3% of value of owned land)
@@IntoTheVoid1981 household tax only applies to 100+ million HUF value real estate while land tax is determined by the local town or village. The rest is correct, of course I counted the social security payments into taxes for 50%.
Yep, pretty high, and we even have "super gross" for employers...
Seriously, how is this guy the icon of the right?
In Poland we have 23% VAT
You see a lot of the people with higher education just be completely disillusioned with the situation and bailing. I have friend who contributed to the opposition movement and he just flat out told me now, he is done with this shit and ready to go abroad after finishing his Master"s and other friend who asked me how is life in Austria and planning on going abroad.
I see a lot of other hungarians come and join us who already packed up their stuff and went abroad to pursue better opportunities, education and in my case, a much more free life.
I left 12 years ago when he got back into power first time after '98. I already new the country is doomed. NO ONE could successfully prove I was wrong since then... I left that terrible country and the terrible people there, who see no problem selling their own and everyone's future for 5kg of potato for 4 years, now the 4th time in a row. Any country that represents such retardness deserves to be deleted from the map. I AM ASHAMED FOR BEING BORN AS A HUNGARIAN.
I wonder, who payed his education?
@@lkasfhgkasdodasfgn If you are interested. Himself by working his ass off next to it
@@lkasfhgkasdodasfgn Taxpayers.
@@mangonel in your dreams
From Orbán's victory speach:
"To Uncle Gyuri (George Soros), the investment into the hungarian left side was the worst investment of his life. This victory will be memorable for the rest of our lives, becouse we have never been more outnumbered. The left side here, at home, the international left side all around us, the bureaucrats in Brussels, every money and organisational power of the Soros empire, the international mainstream media, and at the end: even the ukrainian president." - Then he laughed. And the people there were cheering him on.
So basically the ukrainian president is an enemy to him, who tried to sabotage his victory by calling him out on his politics regarding the war. He mentioned Brussels as a threat, but not Moscow. He mentioned Zelensky in the list of his opponents, but not Putin. I have no words.
If you have no words, i do : leave the EU. If you see us as ennemy, leave, the exit door is just here.
Zelensky should focus on his own country. i won't blame orban because it is not in Zelensky's right to "dictates" what foreign independent country should do
@@Kafei01 kick them out im tired of my taxes going to that country
He is correct,the ziobanksters rule your eu,cultural marxists who support naziscumbags in ukraine simple,who owns your banks,your debt,your mandates,lockdowns,zombieshots,wtfu
I don't see why a country should ruin its own economy to cheer lead Elensky in a war which has basically nothing to do with them. And Ukraine is not in EU, not in NATO, so by what right can a country be forced to follow what Ukraine wants? The only thing Hungary refuses to do is to send weapons or stop trade with Russia, they're still taking refugees, helping with humanitarian issues and I heard Red Cross is operating from Hungary too.
The conflict between Russia and Ukraine could have been solved more peacefully between them had the external forces not interfered. And Hungary is not the only country not sending weapons or continuing trade with Russia either, so why single them out if not for political motives?
"Can Europe Cope with Orban's Landslide Victory" Apparently not! It took less than 48 hours after the election results for the EU to come down with their next 'infringement procedures' against Hungary.
they had planned it beforehand but didnt want the bad optics of enacting it during the presidential candidacy.
Deepstate EU
@@raindrops7528 Nah, it's just people wanting to kick Hungary for the leech it is. You join the EU by being more liberal. Don't follow the rules don't join the club
@@supergamergrill7734 The problem is 1: the rules are changed and we didn't approve 2: the rules doesn't apply for everybody. Read Animal Farm from George Orwell! "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."
@@the_white_rabbit Leave then. Nothing stays the same forever and you degressed by pulling lgbtq protection laws and putting discriminatory laws.
If Hungary wants to be free then leave and stop being welfare queens
UPDATE:
In 2006 Ferenc Gyurcsány, MSZP ruling party's leader kept a speech to his Party Members in which he stated that he and his winning party (2002, 2006) was clearly keeping their power on pure lies, as they could not cope with the state's economical situation and completely ran out of money, what's more, he complained in his speech that all of his ministers and experts are incompetent in these problems, some even are not aware of their own social policies. He said: "we lied at night, at day, at evening." The whole speech was a desperate confession of a man who cannot solve the situation, though he's eager to.
The speech leaked out half year later, street protest and riots began in 2006 autumn.
Ferenc Gyurcsány on a day of remembrance, pushed the rioters in the city towards the peacefully remembering opposition party's (than the Fidesz) event, and later crushed the masses with cavalry attack, baton beatings of citizens lying on the streets, with special policeman without id numbers.
People were incarcerated, hospitalized, blinded, it was an unimaginable goverment action.
Ferenc Gyurcsány did not resigned, though protest were daily 24/7 for year.
In 2009 people's pressure pushed ruling party MSZP to -change- the prime minister Gyurcsány passed his post to Gordon Bajnai.
Next election, 2010 - Fidesz, the largest, by then backed by "citizen circles" (population based local citizen membership-support groups) - won the election with an undisputed ⅔ majority.
MSZP immediately lost is popularity thanks to the Gyurcsány-era, the party's incompetency and it's brutal inhumane solution to protest and riots.
But Ferenc Gyurcsány, the once businessman later expresdient didn't left politics. He left MSZP to create a party from his vast wealth based on his personal cult. The party's name DK, Democratic Coalition - but wait: his wife's name, Dobrev Klára (daughter of a hardcore communist leaders clan) is also has the same letter abbrev. His wife was in european union's high position then.
The fallen impostor expresident's self made, personal cult new party, DK has grinded down all opposition to Fidesz, and become the biggest opposition political power in Hungary. Ferenc Gyurcsány, to soften clear accusations - put his wife as a prime minister candidate (like Clintons in US).
12 year passed, 4 elections was won by Fidesz with ⅔ majority, every time, the oppositon was lead by the egomaniac Ferenc "I never resign" Gyurcsány. And Fidesz won every election with stable ⅔ by saying: if you don't want Gyurcsány to come back and rule you, vote for Fidesz.
Ferenc Gyurcsány was never an elected prime minister, he was put to the post when another MSZP elected prime minister (Péter Megyessi) had fallen to political accusations. And he never lost, as he was exchanged before 2010.
This made Gyurcsány's psyché strange over time, he had fallen into a false personal cult of himself.
Now, Ferenc Gyurcsány as the head of his own founded party, kept a one hour speech, which now was online streamed by his party. This speech contains several disturbing sections, which questions he's ableness to politics. Not to mention leading Hungary's opposition against Orbán.
Though we all know in Hungary, that untill this impostor fallen ex-prime minister is not leaving the opposition's leading role - Fidesz has a clear winning on the elections. In Hungary there's no majority of people, who would even think about voting to an opposition that is lead or manipulated by Ferenc Gyurcsány.
We also know, that if Gyurcsány leaves political posts, and other opposition parties can grow and evolve, then Fidesz could have a first competetive and later overthrowing opposing force.
But Ferenc Gyurcsány clearly reinforced his stay by saying in his latest speech: 'I reviewed and definitely thrown away the advise of resignation.' What's more, now he wants his party members 'all to be Gyurcsánys'. He said at a point: "Jeus vie Gyurcsány!' He definitely has lost his soberness, his clear mind. He talks poetic, but disturbing sentences.
No one can move the 16 year-long losing ego-maniac, who works nothing, even leaves the Parliament as a protest and sits in the Parliaments cantine with his party members. As a very wealthy self appointed politician, we cannot do anything with him, though opposition voters now starting some kind of protest against him, which is getting quite absurd, but necessary after more than a decade..
Yep, thanks to Gyurcsany I had to leave my home when I was 12. safe to say that he pissed of Hungarians for the rest of his life. I am also certain that I am not the only one that thinks that a 6 party coalition would be a disfunctional goverment at best. So why the hell would we not vote for Orban that kept the nation stable and want to stay out of the Russia war? If nothing else even my generation remembers the stories from 56 so why should we risk that for Ukraine who discriminates against Hungarians that live in Ukraine?
Could have mentioned that opposition was limited to 5 minutes of airtime in state media. 5 minutes for 4 whole year. Also Fidesz had 10-15 time as much money as the united opposition because the Fidesz party spending was covered by the governmental spending that doesn't get count into the spending limit.
This happens all around the world actually...even in proper democracies.
@@rashmigupta9 Five minutes in every 4 years in a proper democracy? Where is that "democracy"? :F
@@kashmirha lmao ikr
Who gives a shit about the opposition
Literally no one wants to see their faces
@@rashmigupta9 "even in proper democracies"
You are out of you mind to compare Hungary to a proper democracy.
Opposition politician are forbidden to appear in any public media. Even they don't mention that they exist unless they just run a smear campaign against one of them. The governmening party and its oligarch use stolen public money to get rid of the remaining independent media one by one.
If any of the opposition parties find a way to get to the public, they government makes it simply illegal. A few years ago one of the parties made a successful billboard campaign against them. Within months, they have changed the laws, making it illegal for political parities to advertise on billboards, except 1 month before election.
Apart from the fact that our opposition leaders are completely incompetent and the Hungarian people are very misled by the state propaganda, one of the main problem is the former Prime Minister Ferenc Gyurcsány, because most Hungarians are still hating him after his failed government in the past, but he doesn't want to retire from the politics no matter what. So the opposition is doomed and can’t win this game, only Orban can lose it.
State propaganda has just as many viewers in TV as liberals commenting on them on social media. It isn't relevant.
2 things are far more relevant and the opposition haven't even realized it.
1st: In rural areas everyone knows everyone...They knew their representatives and some sensible requests to their representatives were worked, as they didn't follow any tantrum by opposition, so the critical majority of them were happy with their pro government representative..
2nd: Gossip. It is the social media of the rural areas. Once you tell a single undecided voter that they can't vote on the primary held by opposition, his justifiable answer will be heard in quite a few villages, as the gossip travels from the pub, to the workplaces, from workplaces to the church, etc. Same is true about comments from truckers about migration crisis, etc.
And once the gossip has credible information, and the opposition seems dishonest, that is game over.
Wow, is Gyurcsány still holding on? I somehow assumed that after that recording leak some 10 years ago he would step down.
@@Tommy-mb8rm Nope he didn't retire and as long doesn't retire things are gonna stay the same why do you think Orban didn't throw him in the jail this was one of his earliest promises Gyurcsany is far too valuable for him free than rotting in a cell.
oh man, this explains much-feels like a Clinton v. Trump situation
@@rin_etoware_2989 Not entirely. Orbán is much more politically savvy than Trump and Gyurcsány is significantly more incompetent than Clinton.
Hungary is a democracy & like it or not this is who the people chose. It doesn't make him a dictator just because the EU leftists don't like him.
Hope this comment reaches heights. This is very well true. Huge respect for your opinion brother. 👍💪
Legit just cuz you don’t like a certian candidate doesn’t make him a dictator
Honestly, I'm not even suprised about this outcome...
The opposition is composed of 6 parties as stated in the video! Including both left and right wing parties (including far-wing).
I'm pro-government citizen but would like to see a stonger opposition to represent those of my values that Fidesz isn't considering.
I think one of the main reasons they lost this election too is that the program is more or less the same as it is since 2012 - to beat Orban's party. The opposition media is so focused on this, they are not presenting the efforts, actions and actual improvements that the opposition did and potentially could do. As you can hear in the video, the biggest issues amongs citizens is corruption, oligarchs and the so said "authoritarianism". I could argue for days on these statements but in short: corruption is real just like everywhere in the world, no matter on which side you are standing. The opposition won the local government election in Budapest on the last occasion and they also filled their pockets - so it's not a valid argument here. About the oligarchs, well I aggree it's not fair on the public market but at least we got the project executed by Hungarians, including business, administration and labour - we have more jobs.
I'm sad because I see people saying they want to leave the country out of emotion and anger because they voted for the losing side. Also people are deleting friends on social media and stop talking to them. I think it's nonsense - everyone has the right to vote for the party who matches and could represent their values and interests the best.
I think it's not bad here, our life quality is increasing altough slowly...
It's also okay to leave, I also want to work abroad for a few years anyways - independently of who sits behind the government. It's rather because of better opportunities in the EU and global economy.
I hope my opinion reaches to others becuase it's important why the majority have voted for Orban's party. People tend to ignore factors that they don't see important and also tend to hate each other after such election. We are not degenerated, stupid people who can be bribed to vote for them. We have values and reasons that might differ from others, but we are not lesser.
Thank you if you reached my comment here and please hit a like if you sympathise.
this channel look sad that his liberal party lost in Hungary 😂😂😂
@@eszterk.523 liberal propaganda can't win anymore and George Soros is having a hard time in Hungary😂😂😂
@@Saiputera wut
Proportional representation helps smaller parties get seats not hurt them. First past the post is the issue here. Let's say 70% of your country supports one party while 30% support the other. By first past the post the odd of them getting 30% representation is 0%, likely they will receive 5% as they win in some strongholds where with proportional voting they would get 30% representation. How does that favor large parties? Because more people vote for them? Then every democratic voting system is unfair because the people who have the most support have the best chance of getting in office.
Exactly, same problem in Canada with smaller parties getting pushed down by receiving lots of votes but few seats.
Proportional is a bad system, it has massive flaws just like FPTP. The only reason anyone wants to switch between the two is for personal gain. Neither is more representative than the other, they are just different unrepresentative systems.
@@elias_xp95 And what are those “massive flaws”? Forcing politicians to put in some effort?
@@elias_xp95 No, the change is for representation to be more based on who the population is voting for, like your Brexit vote for example or do you think that Brexit vote was unfair and Britain should rejoin the EU since democracy is rigged?
To rest the case, in Hungary since the changes brand new parties like parties that did not exist (excluding alliances as they are pre established) have won seats. Last election 7 seats were won by a brand new party. This is exceedingly rare in a fptp system. The ability to get representation in a system is important to small parties so they can build momentum.
A nice fact to add would be that the ethnic Hungaryans are voting for Fidesz because the Left was always against tham... also a look at other electoric systems..if Im not wrong France and England has a similar one...the issiue is that you cant win an election by saying that "we had enough of Fidesz" because sadly that was there main message..also the voters could see from first second that the coalition is doomed to fail with the far right + green + left
The left being always against them?
As a socialist not from Hungary may I ask what you mean by this?
@@queenbean7071 since the fall of the iron curtain the Hungaryan socialists looked at the ethnic hungarians as “not part of the country”. Fidesz on the other hand was (even in the 90-s when they were liberal/right) and is patriotic on the topic. They have a simple message.. “we are one nation”. Somehow thats still something the left fights till today.. it was always part of the lefts campaign that the ethnic Hungarians shouldent have the right to vote… and they are surprised that we (ethnic Hungarians) have issues with the left
...and of course, this is an example of how the right-wing opportunists distorts reality. And this is how they mislead and control the populace. You should know, that Hungary is an ethnically almost 100% pure hungarian, which means those imaginary people, who thinks in theory that the ethnic hungarians as "not part the country" cannot be that people who have been voted 30-50% consistently by hungarian people. This simply cannot be true, based on logic, but you see, hear, read on every goddamn minute in the day. Every day, every week, every year "the left wants to destroy the country!!!", "the opposition want to send soldiers to the war!!", "we save the country from the lethal pathogen!!!",... all lies with some little truth in them here and there. And they repeating it again and again on all state controlled media (which are the most). And simple people, just like this fellow gentleman here slowly comply it more and more, because they cannot have the necessary information, knowledge and morals to see through the intricate web of lies and conspiration theories which of course also distributed in full effect on social and "whispering" networks. The most spoiled are making carriers of screaming blatant lies on the state TV which is - as stated it's editors in chief - proud servants of the "Commanding General" as they called Orban in their "cart camp". In my circles, we called it "The Russian Recipe", and we think it's based on or related to some old KGB tactic for subversion mixed up with some modern political manipulation and some old-fashioned populism and xenophobia.
@@balidr what madness is this? A Hungarian party that looks down on Hungarians? Surely you are making it bigger than it actually is
@@celeridad6972 looks down on Ethnic Hungarians...who have a voting rights only since 2014. so not for too long....well, if you think I make it bigger than it is look at the numbers which party wins in case of ethnic Hungarians...I think Fidesz had on this election 96% of the votes from Hungarians in the neighbouring countries
I mean, when you tell your voters that you will keep energy and consumer prices down or at least stop them from exploding compared to the opposition that hasn't said a thing about that, what else could we expect? Orban was smart and knew how to portray fidesz and which actions to take to remain in power. We can say anything we want about the bias of the media but there were many cases in which the opposition won an election despite the media being against it. The united opposition just isn't good enough to take on Orban, for now.
In fact other democratic governments are going to face serious heat from citizens over those issues, so he was sensible to choose people over NATO politics.
Wrong, the other candidate said there’ll be no cheap energy and taxes will be raised
If you ask me, both Fidesz and their opposition is one big system
I’ve totally lost interest in further elections, maybe I’ll vote for the joke party in the future
The oposition actually said to break off gas contracts and everyone should pay current market price.
It's pretty amusing how Orban adopted so much of the American Republican rhetoric when it comes to the culture war, but when it comes to the actual campaign, they are everything the Republicans oppose. Half the campaign was "the opposition would take your gibs away." In the end even the opposition joined in the craziness by promising to double certain benefits.
Orban made a large segment of the population feel (whether correctly or not) dependent on the hand-outs, benefits and tax-reliefs they get from the government.
It is the endgame of democracy. The government can push you to the brink of economic collapse and then ride in to save you with benefits. They then tell you that you have to vote for them to keep the benefits.
Same in the US where Hillary - the all time loser - blamed Russians... If American establishment had worked a little bit better some people would certainly not have voted for Trump because they had literally nothing to lose. There's turmoil in Europe and Orban promised peace and stability. On the other hand, the opposition appeared just to be ready to hop into the mess and nothing else except for quarelling in any other issue. This is not an ordinary victory. This is a triumph for Orban. He has come out stronger.
Sounds like if opposition parties want to make some gains, they're going to need to attract Fidesz voters. That means listening to their wants and concerns instead of dismissing them.
The opposition's problem is that it is obsessed with Orban's personality. They don't say how to replace Russian gas
@@evilmex1962 MZP said we gonna go green :)
@@coderentity2079 yes, this is the best joke of the left. I hear it every day here in CZ
@@kudr66 Germany solved it, they declared russian gas green, greener than nuclear. Now they can go green.
Local politics are way more complex than that. In 2006, shortly after the elections Gyurcsány said in a MSZP party meeting that "We lied in the morning, in the noon and in the evening" and refused to stand down after the recording was released. Instead, he broke the economy even further and only after the 2008 recession made severe damages, he finally gave up office. But instead of elections, the MSZP quickly chose a new prime minister who made very unpopular decisions and invited IMF. Orbán got his first 2/3 because of this very uncompetent an liar government. And ever since, the same figures are behind the opposition and Gyurcsány's new party, the Democratic Coalition is the determining force. Parties that was originally created against him and MSZP, like Jobbik, LMP allied with him. The Momentum Movement that claimed to start something new and initially refused to ally with Gyurcsány also allied with him in the end. And people wonder why Orbán gets 2/3 majorities all the time?
Say, guys, did you intend to use a clickbait title? Your entire video was an explain / bash of Hungary's electoral politics and not an analysis of the EU reaction to Orban's re-election.
Also the voting scheme essentially made a unicameral body bicameral - that should favor a true majority. Perhaps you guys should consider the implications of a consistent minority rule as in most of the EU states. The bigger problem may be the underrepresention of the actual majority in Europe - that could come back to bite and weighted micropolls aren't good for this type of analysis.
Hungarians are conservatives.
Orban kinda cringe ngl
You mean based. The only cringe part is his soft stance on Putin.
One more point to add:
"The coalition failed to put up a narrative" is a bit of an overstatement. Due to the mentioned media control, having any kind of discussion in about anything (not just politics) felt like trying to discuss anything beside a 24/7 full blasting ship horn. The coalition had a narrative. It was impossible to be heard unless you were looking for it.
The media overall is not controlled, just not majorly left biast like most of Europe....
I looked for it hard. But what I found was gibberish.
Realy? Ever since 2010 Orban won 2/3 if he is not rigging then the public loves him or the oppositon realy sucks. And Turkey has more grip on media however political parties are far more effective than Hungarian ones they even rewon against a plot formed by government . Accept it 6 party do not have a vision for future. Do they have a program for constitunional reform? Probably no. Do they have a common ground after anti orbanism no. His referandums even pass with more than %90 it means even oppositon supporters vote it unless there is rigged election. What is the diffrence between choose Orban or Peter?
Like private lefty media does not dominate Hungary? Come on. RTL Klub, ATV, telex, index, 444, etc.
I don't think the media control was the issue, it is the 21th century most people have internet(also not like they did over take the media they bought it, blame the morons who sold it).
The problem was the coalition and who did lead it, Márky is inexperienced in the politic and it showed multiple times (I think Dobrev Klára would have been a much better candidate but whould be way better if not the left wing leading it) also he was focused on wrong topics like corruption(corruption always did and will be exist in the country, no one really care about this anymore. There wasn't a single party since 1990 who was not corrupt....) or the war(Hungary and Ukraine was never a good neighbors, you not gonna win anything with this topic. The peoples are more interested about the gas than the Ukrainians). The whole coalition showed what we already did know left wing can't gain any other voters than the base left and 4 lose in a row is still not clear for them(another nice example to the incompetencia that they actually did think gonna win this time, while they managed to gain less vote than 4 years ago and Márky even lost in his own region).
Maybe the "Mi hazánk" have some hope on the next election if they doesn't mess up like "Jobbik" did, Hungary at this point is a right wing country and the coalition need to realize it because at this point only an other right wind party can win against the Fidesz(and don't ad Gyurcsány to the next coalition, he is most likely the most hated people in this country) or Orbán need to mess up really badly(like loosing the EU membership)
EU really needs a way to enforce it's rules. Or at least expell a member state.
It has a way, but it was blocked by Poland, that might change now
Well... that crook Oran already planned ahead.
Took a gigantic chineese loan that the citizens will have to pay back.
Reason: EU wanted proof how the EU bidget is spent. Which before landed in the friends and family owned businesses.
Sad thing the majority of Fidesz voter sclap for this.
So.. we expell Italy, France and Germany?
I've been to Budapest a couple of years ago. There was an anti-Brussels billboard like every 50 meters. Not even kidding. It's fucking bonkers how Hungary can still get massive funding from the EU while constantly shitting on them.
@@tanker00v25
As a Pole, I hate Orbán
Not surprised given he did exactly what Putin did in Russia. It makes the US and their electoral craziness look like heaven in comparison...
Actually you cannot compare Hungary with Russia. According to scientific analysis Hungary's democracy is still much more intact than Russia's, although situation has been deterioriating.
@ pepe. Give it a few years..
Hungary has a very press compared to America
@@richardschenk4058 Hungary is an illiberal democracy, much the same as Russia.
@@johndouglas5712 very press? What are you trying to say?
Fun fact: 'Alternative member system' is also known as 'Mixed Member Majoritarian' or 'Parallel Voting'. Unlike the Additional Member System or Mixed Member Proportional, the list seats are not compensatory to the electorate seats.
That's more a downer fact than a fun one.
Surely they cannot accused him of authoritarian.
Fuck it people don't even know what that means so they use that term quite loosely without any logic
A few mistakes: at 1:30, it is stated that social welfare increased, where in fact, it hit all time low during Orbán (for example, unemployment benifits for only 3 months). Another at 2:00, pre-2010 it is shown the highest possible taxes (for millionaries), while the lowest possible taxes post-2010. Before 2010 income tax was 0% for minimum wage, and increased gradually, while now it's fixed at 15-16%. In fact, with the introduction of new taxes, currently it's all time high.
It was also missed in the Ukranian war, that state propaganda was constantly airing how Ukraine is an agressor against Russia, all the Russian desinfo, along with how the Ukranians committing genocide against Russians and Hungarians. Also, actually very few people speak foreign languages in Hungary, adding additional leeway for Orbán - saying something to NATO and EU, and a completely different thing for the people.
Exceptionally well said. Quite tiring seeing foreigners (look at the comments) praise Orban, without having a single clue about the bigger picture
Can you link me an article where it was stated that Ukraine was the aggressor? I'm Hungarian, and as far as i know we're behind all EU sanctions against Russia so far.
Yeah, its sad to see TLDR make errors like these
@@abelzatyko1513 Doesn't change the fact that the majority of Hungarians like Orban, as do I
@@spiko-ou3bp “majority of hungarians" is a very big statement with no backing to it
Great video!
Hungary votes the same as Germany on almost every issue in the EU. 70-80% of the population supports EU membership. Where it deviates from EU are basically the culture war issues.
As for the election. all the opposition joined to form a united front. That is even the far right joined the far left. Their only common point was replacing Orban. On every other issue (economic, social, cultural etc) they disagreed.
Basically, Hungary wants all the benefits of EU membership without any of the democratic obligations that go along with it.
@@badluck5647 culture destroying obligations you mean.
@@badluck5647 *Orbán wants all the benefits of EU membership without any of the democratic obligations that go along with it.
You know that electoral system orban created force the opposition into coalition? otherwise they just lose all the seats from the FPP and thats 50%, you cant do that. It is not like for example in Czechia where opposition grouped into 2 coalitions for no big reason
@@IITJII95 I didn't realize government corruption and unfair elections are such a vital party of Hungary's culture.
Never never write your constitution so that parliament can change it. The electorate must always be asked. I'd go on to say that some things in the constitution are so important that any referendum on changing them should be the subject of a referendum on a day where nothing else is voted on (to prevent Putin's strategy of burying a change inside a bunch of other stuff).
that's irrelevant. the parliament is voted by the people. they are their representatives. everyone can be elected. it's the will of the people. there's zero need for a referendum.
Well, parliament can always betray the people and the cabinet in particular.
@@riskinhos I'm pretty sure that's wrong.
We are talking about constitution here not policies. You might like the policies the party offers, but when they have the power to change constitution on a whim now. It basically means they can do anything they want, like Putin... It means the government is now omnipotent, like Putin.
And when that happens, its usually matter of time for the government to go south. Power can corrupt. But absolute power corrupts absolutely. The current government was just now treathened by opposition because of war in Ukraine, if you think they wont use that power to get even more powerful, is naive...
The purpose of constitutions is there to limit current governments powers unless it's an overwhelming majority that supports it from the government and from the citizens for a very needed change in case of emergencies basically.
@@riskinhos No that would be ignoring all the flaws of representative democracy and the electoral systems in place
@@riskinhos referendums make sense for topics that were not present or were not discussed during elections.
Constitution should be hard to change and there should be systems in place to make those changes "harder" to implement, like higher vote margin or two chamber parliament.
There was a contiversial move regarding the judges, previously in hun judges could work indefinetly even post their retirement age. But Fidesz enforced a retirement age of 65 on them meaning Judges could not work even if they chose to after hitting the retirement age. After getting severe pushback, because this ended up removing judges from their position, the rule was shortly walked back, and judges affected could request reinstatement to their original position, or chose not to and get a payment for damages, etc. I don't see this as some crazy plot to destroy the independance of Jurastiction. Its not like all judges where fired, and now Fidesz members are taking care of everything and it was also walked back, so I think at this point there is only smoke and no fire.
USA needs a law like that for presidents lol
"How dare the Hungarian people vote for Patriot?!" There, translated it for you. 🙄
Sorry but you cant use the word Patriot on this channel… here it’s Nationalist
@@balidr Whoever said that (channel owner?) can kiss my @$$. 👍
The EU and Brussels must accept the peoples choice and full stop - that is why its a democracy. Since the 90s Brussels has developed an appetite to re= run elections and referendums when it doesnt suit the agenda.
Its sickening that no one brings this up.
The EU has never forced an election re run or referendum. If it did it would force on in poland because its elections were gerrymandered on the verge of rigged. Same with Hungary or do you know any other country with a state run agency that actively bans anti Orban media?
Orbán is the opposition of the Brussels elite and they know that his politics can take root elsewhere (Trump in USA, Salvini in Italy), so to keep their power they won't accept the choice and right after the elections they announced potencial sanctions against us (Article 7). The EU is nothing but an empire now and the Brussels elite is ready to silence anyone who don't agree with their plans.
You can say that but Hungary receives a net contribution of more than 5 billion Euros a year from EU. Why would the other EU countries want to keep doing that?
I will bring it up: EU DEMOCRACY ⬇ Against votes:
Denmark Maastrict Treaty: 50.7% said no FORCED TO VOTE AGAIN
Ireland Treaty of Nice: 54% said no FORCED TO VOTE AGAIN
France EU constitution 54.9% said no IGNORED
Netherlands EU constitution 61.3% said no IGNORED then Rutte banned referendums LOL
Ireland Lisbon Treaty 54% said no FORCED TO VOTE AGAIN
Greece EU bail out 61% said no IGNORED
The EU has altered its treaties to favour themselves also: Rome 1957, Single European Act 1986, Maastricht 1992, Amsterdam 1997, Nice 2001 and Lisbon 2007 . Can't get it right the first time?
@@myrithoros2540 Don't like it leave the EU especially when Hungary is a net reciever of EU funds. You know you gain more than you give. Lets see Orban explain why there's a 5 billion hole in the budget while spouting nonsense and trying his best to rig elections.
Oh, and how the f-- does proportional representation hurt small parties?
Citation needed.
So basically Hungary is the same as every other country
Just Imagine now Le Pen wins French Election.
I don't support nationalism, conservatism, authoritarianism, or corruption, but you're description if his economic policies made him sound magic: welfare programs, easy labor laws, AND low taxes. Also, you say Hungary's election laws favor larger parties, but that really depends on what you're comparing them to. They sound much better than the USA in that regard, since they have alternetive vote (allowing one to cast one's first vote for who one really wants, and only use the back up one tactically), and a mix of both first-past-the-post and proportional seats, meaning that both regional majority parties and nation-wide large minority parties can be represented, with neither being suppressed.
I was so happy when the Czech Republic managed to get rid of Babiš through a similar coalition of smaller parties, including the pirates. But I think that coalition made a lot of sense. Hungary almost seems like a lost cause by now. I can imagine Orban secretly vouching for Putin, probably his biggest role model. And if he had a mighty army that could take back the territories lost after Trianon he'd be very happy.
Time to put economic and political pressure on Hungary. Specifically Hungary. Poland is too important at this time during war in Europe.
I don't know where this "gaining back lost territories" nonsense comes from.
@@IntoTheVoid1981 They would attack Slovenia first. Like Hitler did to Stalin (Orban to Janša).
@@Guide4Ever Probably attack Romania as well for Transylvania - but there is no chance of Hungary winning or doing so as we are both in NATO anyways.
NATO Article 5 also applies if one member attacks another. So no. But even if that had not been the case, there is absolutely no way Hungary could beat Romania, let alone Ukraine. Look how Russia struggles with a country 5 times less populated. Meanwhile e.g. Slovakia has 5,5M and Hungary 9,5M, so even that is a dangerous bet.
The EU should stop pouring money into Hungary we shouldn’t be financing Orbans oligarchy
but eu loves oligarchs
Exactly.
They knew the deal.
"We'll buy your right to self governing off you".
3000 billion forints worth of EU money has been held back for months now
The EU itself is an oligarchy. Which country are you from?
EU is oligarchic, its Germany 4th Reich
Good video! But I don't the believe the question in the title was actually answered... lol. Idk maybe it's just me. 😂
Thank you for your work! Please, it would be great if you did a video on Serbian general election, that happened in the same day as Hungary's. Keep up!
Would be cool if some CZcamsr could explain the Portuguese political system. I heard that the power is dividend in 4 powers instead of 3 as usual
Actually, the Portuguese system is divided in 2 powers. Executive and Judicial.
this is because in Portugal, if a party gets an absolute majority, it controls every aspect of parliament, this means that the Legislative power is fused with executive power.
the president of portugal holds no real power against an absolute majority. The president can become a pain in the ass for the absolute government, but nothing really serious.
the Portuguese judicial is also facing independence issues, and with the current structure is not getting better.
so, really, Portugal only has 1.75 powers. Executive and problematic judicial.
Has he ever said "I am the senate?"
Not yet.
Maybe Frau Merkel?
@@clankb2o5 Its treason then.
85000 subscribers in one day, Congrats!
Just a few points:
1: The electoral system looks pretty much like that of Germany with two ballots for each voter - on for a candidate and one for a party. Just like in Germany, it favours larger parties. At least it is not the first past the post only system like in the UK.
2: If Orban is looking out for the good of the Hungarian people, he's doing his job.
3: If the opposition includes everybody from the extreme left to the far right, I will certainly not vote for them.
4: Orban loves democracy but not freedom.
Even some opposition sympathizers called them a "pig slop coalition". And as an anti-Orbán ex-politician told after the elections: "It's not because these many people like orange [Fidesz's color], but rather because these many people hate the pig slop."
4: Orban is a de facto benevolent dictator. his system will end only by internal attack or by him.
Can you say exemplas that Orban don't like freedom? If that would be true, the hungarians don't wote for him!!
@@Varcell01 believe me, we still can. one word: propaganda
@@zakatosi 5 times? wow!
There is a simple reason for why Orban is winning. He gives the people what the people want.
Oh please it's because he controls the media and the voting system is designed in a way to his advantage. Don't buy blind right wing praise of the man online.
As a Hungarian, I must explain that being under the Soviet heel made the people pathetically stupid and submissive.
Unbelievable, isn't it?
Ah, so that is why he needs to control all media and not have any debates.
@@pkingo1 He does not control all the media. It's more of a 60-40% split. If you spoke Hungarian you would see that many of the largest News organizations (on TV, on the Internet, Radio) are absolutely critical about the Government to the point where they can not ever agree with anything the government does. while there are many things one can critique the government for, that doesn't mean all they do is bad. The one single state channel is a joke, nobody watches that, and the idea that only the state owned channels are available in rural Hungary is also a joke. I live in a rural area I have high speed internet and almost 160 TV channels. I get all viewpoints. So do many others in Hungary. The opposition had plenty of platforms to show their plans and positions. Unfortunately the "we hate Orban" style negative campaign is not going to work here.
As soon as I heard you describe the opposition I went " oh, God, on no, oh dear. How they thought It was gonna end? "
Was eating crunchy food while watching so turned on auto-subtitles. I've learned some stuff about Hungarian Prime Minister Auburn leading the Deaths party.
Keep up the good work first
That moment when the electoral system created by an out-and-out authoritarian is still more democratic than ours in the UK ^^
Bet the Eurocrats are happy..... not!
EU needs to go back to being a trading block, not a crap super-state.
The EU is in no way a 'super-state' and there is not a single EU Member country that would support that idea. Currently each Member, however small, has a veto over major changes and not one Member country would give that up. On less important matters countries can make use of the blocking minority. This is when four or more Council members, representing more than 35% of the EU population can block any change. And after that the directly elected members of the EU Parliament can also block legislation.
The entire number of employees of the EU bureaucracy is about the same number as are employed by Derbyshire County Council. Good luck running a 'super-state' on that basis!
And get carved up by authoritarians, sure buddy, bet you enjoy your EU cash while you talk shit
@@jeremymanson1781 Economics plays a huge part in this process. Richer countries can threaten poorer countries to not veto if they do not want economic sanctions. Economic duress is still duress.
Leave the EU then.
@@hammer3721 Richer EU countries cannot impose sanctions on other EU Members in any way different than they would outside the EU. If a country like Greece cannot pay its debts then its creditors, whoever they are, will try put really heavy pressure on them to repay. That is nothing to do with whether Greece is a Member of the EU - ask Argentina.
5:00 Is it just me, or does the Green Party's logo look like a pedestrian sign
Yes, it does. They have no such genuine ideas, just copy pasting the western countries.
It was originally an alternative party. (Lehet Más a Politika = Politics can be different). But later the leader quit politics and the party allied itself with those who they wanted to be different from. They started their "green politics" to differentiate themselves and valiate their further existence. The logo is the original though.
@@myrithoros2540 The leader stepped back because he realized politics can't be different and most of his party members were sold to the left. His dream creating an independent 3rd option failed.
Despite the fact that this is a foreign channel, I think you've managed to got this quiet objectively. Finally a channel which is neither Fox, nor CNN. Thanks for that from Hungary.😊
Objectivity ala liberal: Orban is voted in (democratically) despite ACCUSATIONS. There goes objectivity.
@@coderentity2079 Orban stacked the deck in his favour. Another quasi fascist
@@haruhisuzumiya6650 quasi ?
These elections were closely monitored in Poland. Firstly, the ruling party Law and Justice wanted to see if their ally Orban will remain in power and by how much he will win. Orbans victory gave Law and Justice a boost as the next General elections are going to happen next year in the autumn.
However, I think more importantly the opposition in Poland found these results more interesting. This is as in the opposition there are talks of all of them (except Confederation, which is a far right party) to unite and beat Law and Justice in the upcoming elections. However, seeing the results in Hungary and the gains or losses of the opposition they're going to have to really rethink the idea of a united opposition.
Jebać PiS and fuck Fidesz.
Orban is far more inteligent then Law and Justice people
In a united opposition, you cannot simply add all the individual party votes together. The united opposition block will inevitably loose voters since it has to offer the same policy and personnel to a wide range of voters.
A united opposition is not an inherently bad strategy to try to beat a large incumpent party, the point is that voters see through unwilling cooperation. A united opposition has to stand on common ideological ground, otherwise it will fall apart. I think the main take home message of the Hungarian election is that campaigning starts the day after elections. You can't create a unified opposition just before an election, it has to be complete from the beginning. And of course it really, really matters who is the leader of such a unitied opposition.
The united opposition idea worket out in Bulgaria and Czechia, so it is not without merits. The Hungarian opposition was just too incompetent.
We also have to remember Orban has the incumbent advantage on his side and also most Hungarians don't really mind many of his what would in the west be considered far right laws
Slovenia is having elections in few weeks it will be interesting who wins and if they can make coalition (idea for video in few weeks hopefully)
Remarkable that the electoral system is the exact same model as used by Scotland.
Does Scotland use winner compensation where if a party gets a lot of votes on first pass the post gets fractional votes for the vote difference between the first and the second candidate? It all favours the strongest party if there are several smaller ones on the opposing side. Also, I don't think that in Scotland strange new parties appear out of nowhere but in truth founded secretly by the SNP in order to fragment the opposition and gain more winner compensation votes :) I bet that SNP activists do not rent buses to shuttle their own voters to voting locations in a concerted manner as well.
japan too
@Ethnic Nationalist And some parties are in the pocket of Putin, like Fidesz or the Tories. However let me add that Orban also always make sure to work very well together with big DE, US, etc. companies and maintain a good relationship with the globalist elite where it actually matters for him.
@Ethnic Nationalist Big companies like Deutsche Telekom are all well adapted to the Hungarian circumstances and were heavily implicated in several high profile corruption cases throughout the years (before and during the Orban era as well). These ties like what the government maintains with the German car industry or things like buying a lot of Leopard tanks provide a leverage on the German government. Orban always knows when to back off and whom not to piss off. He always got away with gestures intended for the Hungarian audience because he played ball on the important issues behind the scenes. He's got somewhat politically isolated during the recent events though. However I don't expect this to last too long.
@@petrisz Great to read your analysis. What is Orban’s fuel in your opinion? Is there ideology behind it? Pure appetite for power? He seems to be an incredibly talented Machiavellian prince, both technically, knowing how to forge a terribly deceiving voting system, and psychologically, playing with the feelings of hungarian people, and economically, playing with the EU intricacies. Hope that Hungary will soon step out of this mudpool.
Just cut all the funds to Hungary, the eu shouldn’t be paying for a wannabe dictator
I mean he was still elected and we need to respect Hungary’s results
@@achillezins6548 yeah and the eu doesn’t have to fund him, no one is saying to depose him.
@@Andrew-ob5ij but why the eu should stop funding Hungary ?
@@achillezins6548 why should eu taxpayers money be going to a leader of a country that hates them?
@@achillezins6548 The right question is why the EU should keep funding Hungary. What are we gaining by funding a country who dispise us and want to block any decision we want to make ?
Orban made a strong case yesterday to become a cartoon-level villain by calling in his speech the Ukrainian president one of his main enemies.
If Orban is cartoon villain then I can think of a dozen Anime villains
That's because Zelensky is trying to guilt trip anyone and everyone into his war. Orban said we would take all the refugees and send critical aid, we even voted the sanctions against Russia. However we will not send weapons or soldiers into Ukraine. What more do you want from us? We've already take 500k+ refugees
Vesszen Zelenszkí!
Sehr geehrte Bundeskanzlerin Merkel!
Die böse Hexe des Westens Ursula von der Leyen.
These two characters are straight out of a Hunger Games/Nazi Germany/fascist type anime plot.
Cold and evil, uncaring and power mad.
Hillary Clinton can join the list too, you can even picture it, the hyperbolic evil anime laugh and everything lmao.
Mr. Zelensky attacked him for many times, while Hungary helps Ukraine a lot. Orban only replied to this. Mr. Zelensky doesn't know the phrase "Thank You." Only wants to tell everybody what to do.
Guys, I really appreciate your work, you try to cover as much contemporary issues as you can. :) have just seen this video. For the upcoming videos about Hungary, I advise you to use the correct pronunciation (for instance in the case of KDNP or Jobbik). I understand you are not natives but your intention is to make a good analysis about the topic. Correct pronunciation would be essential at this point.
it's less biased against small parties than UK by a long way
This is actually a very good composition of events and circumstances what lead to the win of Fidesz. From Hungary
In the current state of the World (war, ecomomic crisis etc.) people want a compentet prime minister and competent goverment, from whom we lnow what to expect. Not a bunch of randomly pushed together politicians, who can't seem to agree on anything but on how Orbán is bad. They started blaming and hating each other the day the results were out...
Surprisingly accurate.
not surprisingly BS
Peace is needed
Cough.....dictator....cough. Got plenty of Hungarian friends who've been calling him a dictator for some years now.
I call him "Supreme Leader" 😂😂
some friends? Do you think that is representative? 😅 The vast majority of Hungarians are behind Viktor Orbán!!
I've been calling Putin a fascist dictatorial sack of shït for years. Usually it's good to call something what it actually is, no? 😉
"Viktator"
Everyone I Don't Like Is A Dictator
Really worried about Sunday's French Presidential election
Seems like Putin chose the day of the invasion very carefully.
@HHR Autocracy shill?
@@orcho141 he is
@uoɔɐq ǝʞɐɔuɐd no to Putin's shill Le Pen!
I think that French electoral process and Macron's lead in polls are secure enough.
I giggled a bit when you translated the "Párbeszéd" party's name to English but couldn't be bothered with doing the same to the "Mi Hazánk" party... but to be fair it is quite hard to get a good translation as it would need to fall somewhere between "Our Country" and "Our Homeland"... you could've just said "Our Country" with a great deal of patriotism :D
our fatherland
Same thing will happen in Poland next year.
Orban is a blessing for Hungary and for the sane of the world
If you are a far-right conservative autocrat then yes. For most people no.
@@soundscape26 He is not autocrat and surely not far-right. This far-left narative is coming from EU media. Try to think for yourself:
1. did he stop welfare or free healthcare?
2. was he elected in free elections?
3. does he obey constitution which mandates the government to do what the people want?
Hungarians are voting to get security by giving up democracy and, although I'm loath to admit it, they might have a point.
We have to see, though, what happens IF (a big IF) the EU finally starts sanctioning Hungary. Hungary receives MASSIVE economic helps. When that stops, the welfare system put in place by Orban will become unsustainable.
By your logic, they shouldn't left Commienism and let Moscow have troops inside Hungary if they are so keen on security...
Poland will no longer save him so its a matter of time now.
@@Dzoseff what do you mean Poland will save them they are our brothers
Can you define the 'weathfare system'? If it is supposed to be welfare system, then there is no such thing in Hungary. Probably never been.
"If you are willing to sacrifice freedom for security, you deserve neither and you will lose both" ~Benjamin Franklin
Hello!
Could you list your sources for this video?
Authoritarianism is neither good or bad.. A good authoritarian system could be much more successful than even the best democratic liberal system
@@Ivytheherbert that is a common misconception. All ship crews are authoritarian, all airplanes are authoritarian.. all schools, all militaries and so on.. One could argue that throughout history there has been no system more successful than authoritarianism. It us however absolutely the case that a bad authoritarian leader can cause more damage than a democratic one but the opposite is also true.. a good authoritarian can do more good than even the best democratic leader.
The idea that democracy is "good" is simple western propaganda. No system is better than another and there should be a concerted effort to coexist instead of trying to eradicate one another.
I spent most of my twenties working in the type of places where a lot of EU migrants were concentrated. Always admired and got on with the Magyars. Real salt-of-the-earth people with a great attitude and a proud heritage. They stood out as trustworthy and reliable individuals in an environment with other, less impressive, people from various places I won't bother naming to to the inevitable smears that would follow. They love a drink too! All the best to them.
"Why did the Hungarians overwhelmingly vote for Orban?" The answer is simple: Because Hungarians are a self respecting people, who do not like to be told by Brussels what party they have to vote for.
It's interesting how the most proud nations end up having no respect from others and usually not even from themselves.
Sarcasm?
@@Tommy-mb8rm We respect those who respect us. After centuries of violence the Serbian-Hungarian and Slovakian-Hungarian relations are all-time best. Meanwhile we have problems with Ukraine because they've been actively harrassing Hungarian minorities for years before the war. And people wonder why we won't run to help them out with weapons and why we won't sanction Russian oil and gas.
@@myrithoros2540 Can you provide any source proving the active harrassment of Hungarian minorities?
i think tldr now would make a great podcast on Spotify
I'm allways wondering, why many europeans are so confused about Orban's popularity in Hungary. Every Hungarian I ever talked to, in vacation in Hungary or from a hungarian partner school of my school, no matter if they where left, center or right had the very strong notion that Hungary was dishonoured in the treaty of Trianon. Orban just plays these feelings of normal Hungarians to his benefit.
I don't understand the relationship between the 2 (Orban's popularity and Trianon). Poland was not dishonoured after ww1, still has similar politicians and ideas...
@@AnDrea-xn4gd Poland is a different country but it shares some similarities. Poland was left alone in the beginning of WW2 and invaded from the west and the east, while their western democratic allies (France and the UK) bassicaly watched away. During WW2 the Germans and Soviets tried to exterminate as much of the polish inteligencja as possible to avoud Poland from every becoming a western democracy again. I think, this might have led to the current polish political landscape, where the people on the one hand want to be a part of a greater western, democratic and libertarian union, but on the other hand desperatly want to protect everything they consider als 'polish' from geting replaced by german, russian or other national identities.
Hungary on the other side somehow shares the post WW2 experience of being a soviet client state, but the experience of getting to live in a much poorer, much smaler and much less respected nation state over night lasts longer. While polish people might see the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact as a turning point in their history (turning point as in 'If that wouldn't have happened, the polish nation wouldn't had to go through WW2 and the soviet era'), many Hungarians see Trianon as such an important turning point in their history. And to some extend, I see their point. Germany and Austria were at least as much responsible for WW1 as Hungary was - but they both did not have to give that much land away. And while Germany and Austria only were obligated to give limited parts of german populated areas to their neighboring countries hungary lost about 2/3 of its former land area and with it about 1/4 of its ethnic hungarian population. 3 millions Hungarians lived suddenly in a different country and sometimes faced resentments or even eviction.
Here in Germany the treaty of Versailles always is brought up as one of the reasons for the rise of the Nazis. Imagine a Germany that would have had to face even more severe provisions, like a permanent french Rhineland, a polish eastern Prussia, a nation state of Bavaria and a danish Kiel, that would have lost more than half of its territory to either neighboring states or new nations and a quarter of all Germans would live in these countries. And now imagine that same alternative history Germany 20 years later as instead of being europes nightmare it would be occupied and exploited.
Don't get me wrong here - Hungarian nationalism is in no way better or more legitimate than German, French, English or Russian nationalism - it always comes with a dark and a bright side - but in Hungaries case, Europe could have done better, by just acknowleging that the treaty of Trianon was harsh and maybe to strict instead of just forgeting about it. And to make my point: This is, what Orban is good for. He is the one who goes to Brussels and sometimes does or says things that just get noticed by the other Europeans. He somehow manages to often strike the wrong note and stands out. Hungarians probably would like to stand out for their history or culture, but since we Europeans turn a blind eye to these elements of their nation, they send us Orban. And for them, it works: Everytime, he does something stupid and votes against all of Europe, Hungarians have the feeling of somehow not being totally meaningless.
Who the hell cares about Trianon? We lost that shitty war as aggressors. We damn well deserved it for how we treated minorities within our region. Nobody substantial is alive who lived during then. Even people's parents didn't live then.
Exactly the same as with India 😕
Damn, didn't know Hungary had it this bad
Damn come help us
Bread for example costs 2€/kg and people make 5-8€/ hour fuel prices are frozen because people bearly can pay for it as it is now meat is mad expensive it costs just as mutch as here in germany but the difference is that i make 23€/h
@@cooldownboi3890 Typical commie asking foreigners to help against his own people.
It is bad for Western globalists and good for Hungarians.
PEOPLE ARE GETTING TIED OF THE WEAK POLITICIANS THAT WE VOTE FOR EVERY YEAR.
So many things wrong with your take, but I'll focus on one:
You really think that "anti-corruption reformers" will reduce corruption? If and when the "anti-corruption reformers" win, they'll quickly become as corrupt as the current regime.
that's not true. anti-corruption campaigns can win, but there must be a rule of law for that
The EU believes that their magic word "transparency" will solve anything. It won't. Just another marketing campaign opportunity and bureaucratic waste of time for companies.
@@wilhelmu
aha ... and WHAT is with corrupt Flinten Uschi???
When any politician, anywhere, comes to power, she/he/it is de facto corrupt because they can now have access to future legislation that could benefit their secret partners (spouses, pals, etc...) in advance. A politician known to be indulging in insider trading is rarely imprisoned, but how about a citizen? Straight to jail. This is why criminals become politicians because they are immune from prosecution, seemingly.
Is not the electoral system in Germany rather similar?
One of the famous ex opposition party leaders said that when it comes to counting opposition votes, 2+2=1. You can’t win an election without a clear message and unified values and here we are to observe this in action.
Dear Presenter, FIDESZ is pronounced "Feedess" = Fiatal Demokraták Szövetsége (Alliance of Young Democrats) and Jobbik is pronounced "Yobbeek" and is an abbreviated from of Jobbik Magyarországért Mozgalom (Movement for a Better Hungary). Your take on the recent landslide victory in the Hungarian elections and landslide victory of FIDESZ is very interesting.
The opposition got just 5 mins on TV. LITERALLY !!!
And they
have their own tv channel
And they spent their precious time talking bullsh*t. 🤷♂️
As a Hungarian, I can say: this video is full of bs.
"Jobbik" mispronounced [Jobbic] whereas it's [Yobbic], means "the better one".
"Mi Hazánk" (pronounced quite well) means "our homeland".
Also Jobbik means extreme right.
@@the_white_rabbit well i would not translate the adjective "jobbik" so, it's more like "the one on the right hand side" (or "the better one"), "-ik" emphasises the exclusiveness, but does not involve extremity in itself. the party Jobbik could be described this way, regardless.
A quick correction: Jobbik is pronounced like “your beak” with a heavy British accent (silent r).
I wonder since the hungarian house is about 1/2 FPP and 1/2 Proportional RP, would it be more in Orban's Favor in a Fully FPP? Is the reason for OSCE's Description primarily for the Media and Courts that Orban has hand picked?
Yes that's called a conflict of interest
Honestly Orban hasn't got media superiority. Lot of newspaper on-line page, TV channels are don't like Orban. +It is interesting fact. Orban didn't estabilished new media, he just bought from the left side. When the media was really 90+% leftist in Hungary everybody was fine... It is big hipocraty behind it.
Because the DK claims to be a Democratic Coalition, it is not yet democratic. The Democrat who first calls himself a Democrat? Do you then protect it as a trademark? Obviously not.
That "democrat" was shooting at protesters and sent cavalry charge against them.
Strangely, they won the 2010 elections in the old system, giving them 2/3 of the seats - it is not the system that helps Orban, but that he delivers
Europe is fine. If the self appointed supreme moral arbiters in EU can is another issue.
7:17 Emperor Palpatine famous line
As a Pole, I don't think we can stay friends.
Agreed 😢
As a Czech I'm glad you finally realised that. V4 needs to end or kick Hungary out there's no other way.
Only Hungarians remained sane. You have been infected by American propaganda.
@@statsguy1446 You can't kick Hungary out of Visegrad. Visegrad is literally a historical town in Hungary.
@@adamus1342 I know but there's no other way. Also you can always find better more suitable name after all. West slavic group for example.
Hungary is staying on the same course it's been on for the last 1021 years
Are Hungarians planning to migrate west again?
Excep the country is 1000 years old
Yeah! 1021 is the number.
@@attilakovacs2231 there, fixed it
Lol 0:46, the flag put in that way isn't the hungarian one, but the pizzamafiamario one
So....how does this whole thing answer the video title?