Great video guys! I have received my Mammotion Luba and honestly have been blown away with the quality and accuracy so far. I’m excited for their next one, the Kumar, which can handle 3+ acres.
When it starts with “I feel like 2022 was a big year for robotic mowers” I’m in lolz 😂😂😂. I feel like you could get high AF with Martin and mow for hours 😎🙌🐇
It’s exciting to see companies finally implementing RTK; its been out for a long time. The next gen is rtk in the cloud. The key advantage is battery use is reduced and you don’t need a local RTK receiver. For commercial applications I could actually even see value is cutting edge gps solving in the cloud. This is newer technology but has a massive beneficial impact in reducing the battery load by the gps receiver. When you want a mower that can cover lots of acreage, every milliamp matters.
I have about 1.5 acre of total lawn scattered with numerous obstacles and distributed in parcels divided by gravel drive around a tall building. Most of the lawn is sloping and in places this is up to 70%. There are also overhanging trees including a sweet chestnut that drops twigs and chestnut pods. In spring I allow specific areas to grow daffodils, primroses and snow drops; these meadow areas are mowed in by mid July. Thus I need an AWD drive mower with rough cut capability, the ability to cease cutting whilst traversing between lawns and a dynamically configurable location system that is not reliant on a single EPOS antenna. I am still waiting for a product that meets my aspiration!
@marquisdemoo It sounds like you are going to need a wireless AWD unit to successfully manage this space. The Luba from Mammotion might be a great fit for you. Not only does it check the aforementioned boxes, but it also will hopefully feature fully customizable mapping software with integrated transport path mapping (no spinning blades) and multi zone cutting assignments with stay out zones. We are still extensively testing the capabilities of this product but we have been very pleased with the results that we have seen so far!
EPOS is amazing. I have 3 acres and got 2x 550's this year. They do an amazing job. Definitely looking forward to pattern cut and trying out the 5 blade cut disc for next year.
Not much useful info in 27 min. I’ll summarize: Product X. We really like it. They hit it out of the park. Product Y. We really like it. They hit it out of the park. Product Z. We really like it. They hit it out of the park. Bla, bla, bla. Just my opinion.
The Kress looks good, but you can’t make any adjustments to the mapping, only the dealership can do this in the UK, I think it’s going to be the Luba for me, great video, thank you 👍🏻
Is there a mower that will edge against my house and raised beds? I have a JD ride on to do the main yard area, but a lot of edging to do with the string trimmer I would like to replace.
True edge cutting is a bit of a challenge to build into an autonomous system mainly because of safety/liability concerns. Manufacturers don't want to have an exposed blade spinning on an unmonitored unit. We are always keeping an eye out for new products that may be able to address this particular problem in a safe way.
My two cents regarding these different technologies in the upcoming future is that the wired systems will prevail in the lower budget systems, since it is a cheaper way to construct the robots, Then we will have the vision/ai in the midrange to handle smaller to midsize lawns and then RTK for the large to super large lawns/fields due to the increased costs of the RTK tech.
@@Quebecvapor ofc, sooner or later wireless boundry tech will be at par with the wired both stability wise and price wise. But the fact is, sensor/software wise the wired system will always be easier to produce, less points of failure in the logic compared to vision-AI, radar and rtk. Comparing Wi-fi and Cat* cable networking, we have many cheap and many fast wi-fi networks today, but a wired setup is maybe not the easiest to install/retro-fit but it's still the most reliable of the two.
Hey Guys - great video ! Quick question- looking for a wireless bot 1/2 acre - (x two locations), Id like my "final blade height to be .04" /10th - any idea who has the right machine to achieve a consistent short cut on high-end turf grass? Diamond, Empires Zoysa, CitraZoy, Bermuda etc (so far Luba appears close.)
I think you are spot on. Luba is going to be closest out of the box that cut height. A Husqvarna 550 with a fairway kit will actually get you down to that height, the product is limited on availability at the moment though. -M
The Novabot is a very interesting product! We currently do not have any hands-on experience with it and tend to stick to products that we have been able to test ourselves.
Not too familiar with that app. We typically make sure that RS will have clear line of sight to the sky and generally shoot for minimal tree cover. I've also used an app called GNSS View. It will give you a real time readout of the satellites that are above your location for a 24 hour period. -M
I have an RTK question: Can you explain why a Husqvarna epos system has a pole that is placed in your own garden (= huge extra cost) and why a KRESS RTK is a pole within 15km? No extra cost.
Yes! Husqvarna is going to run off of a localized RTK reference station whereas Kress will look to access a network of antennas that are permanently installed in multiple locations with much broader range. Both have pros and cons in our opinion and we look to identify which option is best for each situation when making the decision on which system to implement.
@@AutmowRoboticMowing Really starting to worry that it's just not living up to expectations in testing. Hopefully it's not that and just the same problems everyone else is having in the industrial world, post COVID.
With Husqvarna's new 450XH EPOS, will they be bringing pattern mowing to that unit as well, similar to the 550? Also, what's the difference between their 450XH EPOS and 550H EPOS? Only difference I see is the 550H has "wheel brushes" and is $900 less (and gets pattern mowing at some point?) Thx, and great vid!
Great question! The other big difference is that the 550 will have the ability to be retrofitted with a 5 blade cutting disc and will eventually be outfitted with them out of the box. Both mowers with the reference station are now the same price. You need to order the reference station separately on the 550 which costs $900. The 550 is pattern cut capable after a firmware update. Very happy to see that. -M
That would be Equip Expo (formerly known as GIE). It's a great event in Louiseville Kentucky for the outdoor power equipment industry. We actually just attended it a few weeks back, keep an eye out for some fresh content from a few different manufacturers there. Hope you can make it and we see you around there in 2024!
So I have this $5000 mower, how do you get it serviced? You guys don't do that. You have to send it back to the manufacturer because there are no local service available? I think there is a problem with this business model.
We do have over 40 locations around the states and have been continually adding to that. We do offer service in those locales however we also have the option to work with local manufacturers dealers if it is outside of our coverage range. -M
I really wish I could find actual reviews. Or not videos of two guys in a room for half an hour with stock footage. Are there wireless mowers available today that work reliably like a Roborock vacuum that I can use on my yard?
Husqvarna's EPOS line as well as the Mammotion Luba are two wireless mowers that we have seen work very well. Vision based models from Toro and Worx will hopefully be available soon as well. These will operate without the need of a reference station (RTK). -M
What about structures? Can it only do the front yard or does it need another receiver that works in tandem? I don't live on a soccer field. It would have been better to show how it operates around actual expected conditions.
Great feedback and thank you for the comment. To answer your question, we have seen the wireless mowers do very well around structures. We are actually planning a video demonstrating this and hopefully will have it out soon. -M
We have not had any hands on experience with the Heisenberg. Unfortunately there is not much input we have to give on this one. It looks cool though! -M
Hey guys! Can you recommend robotic mower which can identify toys left In the garden by the kids and not shredding thwm to pieces. Im in Europe, my gatden is 1000m2. (0,25 acres). Much appreciated!
The Mammotion Luba series is what you are looking for. We will be dropping a video soon. They are available for preorder at autmow.com/shop/shop-mammotion/
Hey Jason! We are offering most of these products for purchase at the moment. Everything but the Toro and Kress models are available at autmow.com/shop. -M
They are definitely similar mowers. We like the Gardena for smaller and more intricate garden type applications as it has a tight turning radius and can handle complex and smaller areas well. -M
@Autmow Robotic Mowing hi guys am on day 3 with the ceora. So far, it's had a few issues. It deffinatly can't manage 18 acres on a golf course. It manages about 2 fairways a night. The ceora struggled cutting more than a inch but I know its more of a maintenance machine than a first cut machine. I'll keep you updated as it goes.
That is great real-world feedback, and we definitely appreciate it. I'm curious as to how it starts to perform once you push past that "first cut" as you referenced. Would love to continue the conversation! Send me a message at hello@autmow.com and I'd love to get in touch! -M
GPS RTK devices are great. Price is way way too high for robot mowers. Paying more than $700 for a device that probably won’t last but a few years is not very smart. If manufacturers want to get ahead in the market prices must be kept below $1,000.
They are great! It's a lot of tech so that cost is certainly always going to be a concern. I'd be interested to see if a manufacturer is able to get under $1,000 and still remain profitable. -M
The cameras are primarily used for mapping the property and object avoidance. Once the mower builds it's 3D map it relies much less on the cameras for daily operation. And yes, it can mow at night.
Great video! Here in Southern California Kurapia is increasingly becoming a substitute for grass yards often due to city rebates to incentivize water reduction and landscape maintenance pollution. Theoretically it seems a robotic mower would be perfect for Kurapia which needs frequent quarter inch cuts from little information I have been able to find. Are there any resources you know of that detail best practices for mowing Kurapia? One main concern here is that Kurapia may not mulch well and I am unaware of a robotic mower that bags clippings. Thanks!
Thanks for the comment! We do not have much experience with Kurapia, but in looking into it a bit, I don't see why a robotic mower would have any trouble dealing with it. As far as mulching goes, you will be cutting it so frequently that the clippings should get reclaimed into the ground similar to grass. Very interesting stuff! Excited to learn more about it. -M
The camera lenses will have a hydrophobic coating to help with this issue. The unit also has built in redundancies to combat this issue. Finally, the camera lense protectors are modular and easily replaceable if they get damaged.
@@AutmowRoboticMowing some countries can now preorder the Luba direct and there's a discount for ordering now. I emailed them a question but after a week there's still no reply. Makes me worry about them going out of business and being left with a lemon.
As another user pointed out, most mowers are GPS tracked and PIN locked with alarm. Typically, we have engaged local law enforcement with help tracking a stolen unit down. -M
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Great video guys! I have received my Mammotion Luba and honestly have been blown away with the quality and accuracy so far. I’m excited for their next one, the Kumar, which can handle 3+ acres.
We have loved the Luba so far. Very impressive machine. Glad to hear you are enjoying it as well!
RTK requires the user to understand the tech. You can get alot of occlusion zones. Vision only is the future.
Appreciate the comment Chris. I personally think that both will have a place in the industry.
-M
When it starts with “I feel like 2022 was a big year for robotic mowers” I’m in lolz 😂😂😂. I feel like you could get high AF with Martin and mow for hours 😎🙌🐇
Appreciate the comment Wes :)
-M
It’s exciting to see companies finally implementing RTK; its been out for a long time. The next gen is rtk in the cloud. The key advantage is battery use is reduced and you don’t need a local RTK receiver. For commercial applications I could actually even see value is cutting edge gps solving in the cloud. This is newer technology but has a massive beneficial impact in reducing the battery load by the gps receiver. When you want a mower that can cover lots of acreage, every milliamp matters.
Thanks for the comment James. We are beyond excited to see all of the RTK applications coming to light this year. Love your insight.
-M
I've had the pleasure to work on a Husqvarna Ceora for a client not cheap but amazing bit of kit
Happy to hear that you've had the chance to see one! They are very cool.
Been using the luba for a few weeks on three acres with lots of tree coverage It seems like it's going to work out great!
We will be dropping a Luba video very soon. We have really liked it so far.
I have about 1.5 acre of total lawn scattered with numerous obstacles and distributed in parcels divided by gravel drive around a tall building. Most of the lawn is sloping and in places this is up to 70%. There are also overhanging trees including a sweet chestnut that drops twigs and chestnut pods. In spring I allow specific areas to grow daffodils, primroses and snow drops; these meadow areas are mowed in by mid July. Thus I need an AWD drive mower with rough cut capability, the ability to cease cutting whilst traversing between lawns and a dynamically configurable location system that is not reliant on a single EPOS antenna. I am still waiting for a product that meets my aspiration!
24month+ wait ahead then
@@dascubaguy Indeed, but I wondered if there any are any products on the Horizon. Hope springs eternal.
@marquisdemoo It sounds like you are going to need a wireless AWD unit to successfully manage this space. The Luba from Mammotion might be a great fit for you. Not only does it check the aforementioned boxes, but it also will hopefully feature fully customizable mapping software with integrated transport path mapping (no spinning blades) and multi zone cutting assignments with stay out zones. We are still extensively testing the capabilities of this product but we have been very pleased with the results that we have seen so far!
@@AutmowRoboticMowing However I understand it is still reliant on a single RTK antenna so susceptible to screening by the building?
EPOS is amazing. I have 3 acres and got 2x 550's this year. They do an amazing job. Definitely looking forward to pattern cut and trying out the 5 blade cut disc for next year.
Glad to hear you're having a great experience! It's awesome you can tackle 3 acres with two 550s. We are also looking forward to next year's updates!
Not much useful info in 27 min. I’ll summarize: Product X. We really like it. They hit it out of the park. Product Y. We really like it. They hit it out of the park. Product Z. We really like it. They hit it out of the park. Bla, bla, bla. Just my opinion.
Appreciate the feedback. This was definitely geared as more of a "highlight" video so we kept to positives in this one.
-M
Hi
The Kress looks good, but you can’t make any adjustments to the mapping, only the dealership can do this in the UK, I think it’s going to be the Luba for me, great video, thank you 👍🏻
Is there a mower that will edge against my house and raised beds? I have a JD ride on to do the main yard area, but a lot of edging to do with the string trimmer I would like to replace.
True edge cutting is a bit of a challenge to build into an autonomous system mainly because of safety/liability concerns.
Manufacturers don't want to have an exposed blade spinning on an unmonitored unit. We are always keeping an eye out for new products that may be able to address this particular problem in a safe way.
how does the Luba compares to Ecoflow Blade both seem to price similar.
We have not had the chance to test the Ecoflow. It looks interesting though!
-M
My two cents regarding these different technologies in the upcoming future is that the wired systems will prevail in the lower budget systems, since it is a cheaper way to construct the robots,
Then we will have the vision/ai in the midrange to handle smaller to midsize lawns and then RTK for the large to super large lawns/fields due to the increased costs of the RTK tech.
I think that’s a spot on evaluation.
Love it! Some great analysis here and we definitely appreciate the comment.
No, I think at some point, it will become cheaper to have the software based navigation then the physical wire fence instalation
@@Quebecvapor ofc, sooner or later wireless boundry tech will be at par with the wired both stability wise and price wise. But the fact is, sensor/software wise the wired system will always be easier to produce, less points of failure in the logic compared to vision-AI, radar and rtk.
Comparing Wi-fi and Cat* cable networking, we have many cheap and many fast wi-fi networks today, but a wired setup is maybe not the easiest to install/retro-fit but it's still the most reliable of the two.
Sooner or later the wires will go away
Great info, thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Educational, thanks guys. Great vid👍
Thanks for the comment! Glad you enjoyed it.
-M
Hey Guys - great video ! Quick question- looking for a wireless bot 1/2 acre - (x two locations), Id like my "final blade height to be .04" /10th - any idea who has the right machine to achieve a consistent short cut on high-end turf grass? Diamond, Empires Zoysa, CitraZoy, Bermuda etc (so far Luba appears close.)
I think you are spot on. Luba is going to be closest out of the box that cut height. A Husqvarna 550 with a fairway kit will actually get you down to that height, the product is limited on availability at the moment though.
-M
Great video, a lot of good info. I know there are a lot of robotic mowers, but I'm surprised you didn't mention Novabot, which uses RTK and a camera.
The Novabot is a very interesting product! We currently do not have any hands-on experience with it and tend to stick to products that we have been able to test ourselves.
I have an app called “GNSS Status”. It states I have a GPS positioning accuracy of 5.2. Is this good enough for a RTK guided mower?
Not too familiar with that app. We typically make sure that RS will have clear line of sight to the sky and generally shoot for minimal tree cover. I've also used an app called GNSS View. It will give you a real time readout of the satellites that are above your location for a 24 hour period.
-M
I have an RTK question: Can you explain why a Husqvarna epos system has a pole that is placed in your own garden (= huge extra cost) and why a KRESS RTK is a pole within 15km? No extra cost.
Yes! Husqvarna is going to run off of a localized RTK reference station whereas Kress will look to access a network of antennas that are permanently installed in multiple locations with much broader range. Both have pros and cons in our opinion and we look to identify which option is best for each situation when making the decision on which system to implement.
@@AutmowRoboticMowing you can add HUGE cost at the Cons of a localised antenna. Maybe an inch less precise at kress?
Do we have ANY idea when the Toro mower is coming out?
We continue to keep our eye out for product updates. They have a great team at Toro.
-M
@@AutmowRoboticMowing Really starting to worry that it's just not living up to expectations in testing. Hopefully it's not that and just the same problems everyone else is having in the industrial world, post COVID.
With Husqvarna's new 450XH EPOS, will they be bringing pattern mowing to that unit as well, similar to the 550? Also, what's the difference between their 450XH EPOS and 550H EPOS? Only difference I see is the 550H has "wheel brushes" and is $900 less (and gets pattern mowing at some point?) Thx, and great vid!
Great question! The other big difference is that the 550 will have the ability to be retrofitted with a 5 blade cutting disc and will eventually be outfitted with them out of the box. Both mowers with the reference station are now the same price. You need to order the reference station separately on the 550 which costs $900. The 550 is pattern cut capable after a firmware update. Very happy to see that.
-M
is the luba available in the US? and Im surprised worx doesn't have anything in this video. didnt they kind of get robot mowers going?
Luba is available in the US. We excited to see the Worx Vision when it hits the market.
-M
What trade show is it that is part of the video? I would be interested to attend it.
That would be Equip Expo (formerly known as GIE). It's a great event in Louiseville Kentucky for the outdoor power equipment industry. We actually just attended it a few weeks back, keep an eye out for some fresh content from a few different manufacturers there. Hope you can make it and we see you around there in 2024!
Check out the Heissenberger Lawnmeister. Like Luba, but no meed for a antenna on your wall.
We are keeping our eye on this mower. It looks very cool!
So I have this $5000 mower, how do you get it serviced? You guys don't do that. You have to send it back to the manufacturer because there are no local service available? I think there is a problem with this business model.
We do have over 40 locations around the states and have been continually adding to that. We do offer service in those locales however we also have the option to work with local manufacturers dealers if it is outside of our coverage range.
-M
I really wish I could find actual reviews. Or not videos of two guys in a room for half an hour with stock footage. Are there wireless mowers available today that work reliably like a Roborock vacuum that I can use on my yard?
Husqvarna's EPOS line as well as the Mammotion Luba are two wireless mowers that we have seen work very well.
Vision based models from Toro and Worx will hopefully be available soon as well. These will operate without the need of a reference station (RTK).
-M
What about structures? Can it only do the front yard or does it need another receiver that works in tandem? I don't live on a soccer field. It would have been better to show how it operates around actual expected conditions.
Great feedback and thank you for the comment. To answer your question, we have seen the wireless mowers do very well around structures. We are actually planning a video demonstrating this and hopefully will have it out soon.
-M
You forgot Heisenberg LawnMeister. What is you thoughts about that? Are they going to keep their promise?
We have not had any hands on experience with the Heisenberg. Unfortunately there is not much input we have to give on this one. It looks cool though!
-M
Hey guys! Can you recommend robotic mower which can identify toys left In the garden by the kids and not shredding thwm to pieces. Im in Europe, my gatden is 1000m2. (0,25 acres). Much appreciated!
What is the least expensive brand/model that doesnt require a perimeter wire and is available in the U.S. ?
The Mammotion Luba series is what you are looking for. We will be dropping a video soon. They are available for preorder at autmow.com/shop/shop-mammotion/
Great video.
How about doing one with products that we can actually buy, right now.
Hey Jason! We are offering most of these products for purchase at the moment. Everything but the Toro and Kress models are available at autmow.com/shop.
-M
What specific use cases are you referring to with Gardenia? How does it compare with the 115h
They are definitely similar mowers. We like the Gardena for smaller and more intricate garden type applications as it has a tight turning radius and can handle complex and smaller areas well.
-M
I run a golf course and I'm looking into ceora to ease pressure off greenstaff. Got a week long demo later in the month.
Love to hear it Tom! We would love to know how it goes for you!
@Autmow Robotic Mowing hi guys am on day 3 with the ceora. So far, it's had a few issues. It deffinatly can't manage 18 acres on a golf course. It manages about 2 fairways a night. The ceora struggled cutting more than a inch but I know its more of a maintenance machine than a first cut machine. I'll keep you updated as it goes.
That is great real-world feedback, and we definitely appreciate it. I'm curious as to how it starts to perform once you push past that "first cut" as you referenced.
Would love to continue the conversation! Send me a message at hello@autmow.com and I'd love to get in touch!
-M
GPS RTK devices are great. Price is way way too high for robot mowers. Paying more than $700 for a device that probably won’t last but a few years is not very smart. If manufacturers want to get ahead in the market prices must be kept below $1,000.
They are great! It's a lot of tech so that cost is certainly always going to be a concern. I'd be interested to see if a manufacturer is able to get under $1,000 and still remain profitable.
-M
I wondering. Because the Toro uses cameras to find the boundaries, can it mow at night?
The cameras are primarily used for mapping the property and object avoidance. Once the mower builds it's 3D map it relies much less on the cameras for daily operation. And yes, it can mow at night.
I'm a groundskeeper at a school and I would love to find a mower that can mow football and softball and baseball fields and practice fields.
Please reach out to hello@autmow.com and we would be happy to discuss.
Great video! Here in Southern California Kurapia is increasingly becoming a substitute for grass yards often due to city rebates to incentivize water reduction and landscape maintenance pollution. Theoretically it seems a robotic mower would be perfect for Kurapia which needs frequent quarter inch cuts from little information I have been able to find. Are there any resources you know of that detail best practices for mowing Kurapia? One main concern here is that Kurapia may not mulch well and I am unaware of a robotic mower that bags clippings. Thanks!
I did realize that kurapia needed cut….will if overgrow if left uncut?
Thanks for the comment! We do not have much experience with Kurapia, but in looking into it a bit, I don't see why a robotic mower would have any trouble dealing with it. As far as mulching goes, you will be cutting it so frequently that the clippings should get reclaimed into the ground similar to grass. Very interesting stuff! Excited to learn more about it.
-M
So no Worx Vision?
We just got our hands on one! Stay tuned for a feature video soon!
What about the Ambrogio mowers? You didn't even talk about them.
Ambrogio is a very well-established brand in the space. We just happened to focus on other products for this video.
What happens when the cameras inevitably get dirty?
The camera lenses will have a hydrophobic coating to help with this issue. The unit also has built in redundancies to combat this issue. Finally, the camera lense protectors are modular and easily replaceable if they get damaged.
Good video, but look at the camera
We’re can you get the Luba robotic mower
We are hoping to have the Luba available for purchase in the near future! More to come!
@@AutmowRoboticMowing some countries can now preorder the Luba direct and there's a discount for ordering now. I emailed them a question but after a week there's still no reply. Makes me worry about them going out of business and being left with a lemon.
landroid has 3 new models from 2300 - 2900 dollars with zero wires needed and ai cameras, cuts to edge as well
Yes! We have gotten our hands on one and will be testing as soon as the weather begins to cooperate. Very exciting!
Worx new vision based machines beats all.
We are excited to take ours out and put it to the test. Very cool machine. Will drop a video once we get a chance!
-M
@@AutmowRoboticMowing can't wait!
Someone want to tell me what’s to keep somebody from stopping their car and walking away with my $4000 robotic lawnmower?
Most robot lawn mowers have GPS tracking in them. Also with some of these new ones, the weight of them.
As another user pointed out, most mowers are GPS tracked and PIN locked with alarm. Typically, we have engaged local law enforcement with help tracking a stolen unit down.
-M