Is Enduro âToo Hardâ For The Wrong Reasons? | Pinkbike Weekly Show Ep. 25
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 11. 06. 2024
- Welcome back to the Pinkbike Weekly Show. It's been an action packed week as we saw the start of the Enduro World Cup season and we prepare for round 2 of World Cup Downhill racing. This week, Henry graces us with a 2 Min of Tech segment before we chat about our items in the $25 Challenge. We let you know the latest Pinkbike Podcast episode and round it off with Trailforks Trail of the Week.
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Isabeau sees the writing on the wall and suspects 2024 may be the last full season of EDR. Discovery has wrecked EWS/EDR with their absolutely awful coverage. I really wish Pinkbke or Red Bull would've gotten the media contract for the MTB world cups. PBs coverage of EWS was light years better than Discovery's, and Red Bull coverage of downhill was way better.
All the penalties kind of signal that it was in fact too tight
IMO pro Enduro racing should be hard. Tight liaisons is apart of Enduro racing and helps separate Enduro from downhill. Being able to decend aggressively while fatigued is a skill and more closely resembles a normal trail ride. Wasn't that the point of Enduro? To race bikes we actually want to ride on a daily occasion, unlike pure XC or DH bikes.
Enduro is a great test bed for mountain bikes. The rules of racing can really push the direction of product development. Keeping the liaisons tight can help develop more or better bikes that fly uphill and still decend well. Just like how rule changes in F1 have steered the cars towards fuel efficiency.
What ruins enduro racing for me are uphills on stages. Long and hard liasons are proper enduro but lung burating sprints on stages ruin the fun on stages
Enduro in my head is gravity focused, and shares downhill DNA, I think itâs ridiculous to have tight time lines as this really swings the sport closer to XC, and when you compare XC race durations vs Enduro, Enduro has so much more time on the saddle with higher impact on the body which goes against the point of enduro
I couldn't agree more with this.
Wow, some really negative comments! Come on people, mountain bikers are supposed to be cool. To everyone involved (esp. Christina and Henry), I loved the show, and I feel super grateful to have such thoughtful and high quality content for FREE. Much love from Pennsylvaniađ€
Agreed. Thereâs unwarranted elitism within cycling. Everyone is a different character, but thereâs no need to spread negativity. Just carry on and keep your grumpiness to yourself. Constructive comments are a different thing, though!
In regards to enduro being hard. It's hard but in a different way than XC is. Even as a slow amateur, I did 1 big enduro and 1 XC race last year. The enduro was a harder day overall, you're doing big climbs over and over again even if you're not racing up them, and then you're 100% full gas over the entire race stage. The XC race was 90 minutes of hard effort in one go, but since you're racing the whole time, pacing is a thing so you're not full gas the entire time and there's strategy of saving your "matches" for when you need to drop big efforts.
Iâm sad that XC races are so short now. The XCO format was not a good thing. I remember when races were 2-3 hours and longer. And we occasionally did stage races too. I did a 3 day, 5 stage race in Kodiak once that was amazing! There was a downhill (XC style downhill) in which there were steaming piles of bear scat on the trail and it was so foggy that one could only see about 30 feet. After 5 races, I was beat. I did another race that was a two day, 189 mile stage race from Paxson to Cantwell across the center of Alaska. It was brutal! Even though it technically would be called a gravel race today, it would be suicidal to use a gravel bike because of the washboard roads. The races now are just too short.
The enduro I did last year was 2 days and the ups on first day were 75% hike a bike on ski access roads. Way more a multi-stage DH than an enduro
My Silky Gomboy has served me well. More than a few downed small trees have been cleared during rides.
for enduro , i rather have them relax the liason and tighten the coverage
Good episode this one, enjoyed the content and like the format.
The idea of Henry on an Orange makes me happy
Have a folding saw, good stuff!!
Loosen up the tight liaison times and add another stage
Have you guys not heard? UCI Enduro is going through its last death throes. They're dropping it within the next few seasons, no idea why?
How about Iago Garay racing again after having a brain aneurysm last season?
HUGE deal! Solid placement too!
Do those microphones weigh that much? Looks like the booms do double duty as cranes.
Alternatively: âHelp, weâre trapped by a giant robo-crab!â
My Orange Alpine Evo rides beautifully. Better than any linkage bike I've owned. Hard to explain why but it's predictable, linear and seems to offer traction everywhere. I never notice bottom outs and it matches the front end performance perfectly. I suspect Orange may have bowed more to industry pressure to offer MORE BEARINGS than any real performance benefits for the average rider. But then again, what do I know, I just bimble down the local trails...đ
UCI Flexed around and found out they donât want Enduro. đą
Yes, it's supposed to be the hardest race but that doesn't mean an unresonable course organisation , especially in terms of the tight delays. You want them to be fit but not kill the athletes at the very first round! No wonder Stage 4 got cancelled when you end up treating the athletes like mules. The figures that Christina presents speaks for themselves. Athletes warned the organisers that this would happen yet they didn't listen.
I'm sorry but the new ESO/UCI organisation from last year have proved time and again where their priorities lie amongst all the different disciplines under their management, most notably in terms of their budget and coverage allocated to EDR. You just have to look at the comments under the appauling highlights video to understand the issue - came out 2 days late, a weird mash-up of EDR and E-EDR (when everyone would like 2 seperate long-form videos of both), lack of a compelling narrative, etc. If I was a sponsor, I'd be sadly asking myself if my money is worth spending elsewhere.
I mean just the fact that they're bringing another round back to Leogang this year (literally a full bikepark for "Enduro") after the feedback from riders last year is a bit of a joke.
Overall, Enduro and E-Enduro is one of the fastest growing market in terms of mountain bike sales, yet it seems that anyone competenant in what made the EWS great seems to have been moved over to DH and XC.
Iâve raced the BME which for us in USA is the best and hardest. I feel like itâs supposed to be hard and challenging. But⊠poor weather and the quest to be the hardest really makes the enjoyable challenge⊠miserable & expensive & to some extent a regret. As a privateer it dissuades you from participating. Race fees and repairs suck. Midweek races that allow you to repeat stages are more fun and affordable.
Tbh⊠I donât watch now that discovery controls things. But⊠I appreciate your coverage. Imo if they hand out that many penalties maybe something isnât right. Racing should be hard but it should be fun for the riders too.
'I love this thing. Its 6 inches long....' Yeag Ill let my self out lol
Thereâs a reason why Orange failed. Their linkage design is just not as good as others. You have to run air shocks only and stuffed with spacers just to make it work
You literally have no idea what youâre talking about
Ironically I found my orange rode better with less volume spacers
I'll just put it out there tight times for the liaisons is complete B.S.!!!! To me Enduro is people riding the bike up and then racing down the stages... If I want to see people racing bikes up and down all day I'll watch an XCM race... Well the coverage for those is just as awful as the one for the EDR... It sucks and could they please bring back Rob Warner and Tracey Hannah for the DH races? They did a much better job... Okay rant done... ;-)
Is 2,000 meters of climbing a hard day for pro riders? Those aren't crazy numbers. And they rode a lift for one climb? Am i missing something?
youre missing the timing. To make it up to the next stage in time you bassically got out of your race stage and had instantly start to pedal up on a high pace just to make it in time for the next downhill.
@@maffin2917 And? It's an endurance race. High pace? This is a 4-5 hour day easily without any lift service. The breaks are at the top where you wait to drop in, for quite a while sometimes. I guess I expect Enduro racers to have endurance. 2,000 meters of climbing (6,000 feet) is not that big of a day, even if they did all the climbing but one lap was lift serviced. Endurance racing is supposed to be hard.
@@MayerMTB I was in finale on raceday and I was quite suprised when I saw some athletes sprinting up the hill in their way to stage 2.
Im quite sure they didnt do that just for fun.
@@maffin2917 and? It's supposed to be hard. And what's sprinting to you? The whole climb? Or they started sprinting because they lagged at the beginning of the climb. In most Enduro races they walk sections of climbs. Again my point is that this is not a big day by any stretch for a professional endurance racer. If they aren't making up in time they need to work on endurance. It's Enduro!
I mean it's easy to say 2000 meters of climbing isn't hard & fundamentally you're right Enduro should test your fitness but the fact that they had so many penalties & DNFs amongst supposedly the best athletes in the discipline does seem to bolster the argument that maybe they pushed it too far at this race. Theres a big difference in 2000m of climbing at 10Âșc vs 2000m of climbing at 25Âșc not that I have any idea whether that factored in on the day.
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Anyone know why they canceled one of the pro women stages?
Nasty crash in the u21 womenâs
I couldn't find any info about the rider afterwards - was hoping all was ok?
I think they've pushed it too far for the liaisons - They're already doing a monster amount of climbing and length - The fact of the amount of penalties and DNFs is starting to ruin the racing - Its about endurance fast stages with little practise and a big day out not Downhill racing eith XC racing in between.
Enduro must be hard. It's in the name of the sport. One thing which should be changed, tho, is the coverage of what is going on between stages. People must see how hard is it for athletes. Maybe show some data with elevation, the average HR of riders, the time it takes them to pedal up.
40km and 2000 climb sounds a lot for some people, but 2000 elevation can be different. It can be short and steep, it can be long and less steep. I am a complete amateur but when I ride 70-80km and do over 1600m of climb with avg of about 14-15km/h I don't feel dead afterwards. Sure, they go full blast downhill, it requires a lot fitness, but they are Pro, doing 2000-3000m+ should not be end of the game to them.
Bottom line is: it must remain tough but the challenge of riding should be shown more to viewers to appreciate the effort put it.
I want to like this, but I still miss the 1.0.Just talk shit about bikes. Be better than SportsNet.
Here's a suggestion Pinkbike Team; get rid of the annoying 'progress loading bar' at the top of the screen.
Thanks.
i really like the bar, it gives a sense of where you are in the video
â@@Sai-tb1xt You mean like the progress bar in CZcams already?
@@0T13ppl knitpick at the dumbest shit lol who tf cares
I like it tbh
Here we go again. The dynamic duo! Henry and Christina. Damn, can't stand them both! It's sad what happened to Pinkbike. I guess the good ol' times are finally over. I miss the old Pinkbike crew! Everything is going "downhill",...
sook ma bar
And yet here you are. Watching. Bitching. Not ridingâŠ
Agreed. đ
Whatâs wrong with Henry? Heâs like an IQ test.
Just a german rant đ
No one actually cares about enduro since Sam Hill left. Fact its that simple. Enduro is boring. Cool you can ride a bike. Just like everyone else.... dh for ever!!