Top 10 Most Controversial Doctor Who Episodes

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  • "Doctor Who" may be one of the nation's favourite TV shows... but these episodes weren't quite so well received! For this list, WatchMojo UK counts down the most controversial, scandalous and eyebrow-raising "Doctor Who" episodes of all time! Whether it's old-time prejudices or storylines that sparked outrage, these TARDIS moments are remembered for all the wrong reasons!
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  • @WatchMojoUK
    @WatchMojoUK  Před 4 lety +74

    Maybe you'll dig this...
    Top 10 Doctor Who Moments that STILL Don't Make Sense: czcams.com/video/BR_N2WbQQyk/video.html

    • @cameronmonaghan6883
      @cameronmonaghan6883 Před 4 lety +1

      Rather have spin off lists, there's lots of great things to say about it.

    • @michaelmurley487
      @michaelmurley487 Před 4 lety

      You would have... if the Timeless Child was added.

    • @bastion164
      @bastion164 Před 3 lety

      I thought the Hitler one was funny

  • @rachelr4126
    @rachelr4126 Před 4 lety +324

    Dalek was an incredible episode, and clearly showed how getting caught up in anger and a need for revenge was *wrong*. Parents honestly gotta chill. Kids aren't snowflakes and getting upset about them seeing something like that, with a clear moral message... That's disappointing

    • @leytpdipooperman8733
      @leytpdipooperman8733 Před 4 lety +2

      Rose literally stops the Doctor from killing the Dalek, showing him the Dalek wasn’t bad anymore.

    • @monkeydude952
      @monkeydude952 Před 4 lety +3

      I loved this episode when it came out. Karens and their poor sweet babies smh

    • @squirrelflight2323
      @squirrelflight2323 Před 4 lety +1

      I absolutely LOVED this episiod!

    • @doctorwhouniverse9338
      @doctorwhouniverse9338 Před 4 lety +2

      When I was little and first introduced to doctor who I was told to watch doctor who and I did. They put on dalek for me. They wanted me to see that one lmao. Doctor who fan still to this day decade later

    • @fifimsp
      @fifimsp Před 3 lety

      Thank. You.

  • @pettixgaming
    @pettixgaming Před 4 lety +1399

    The most controversal episode is timeless child, change my mind

    • @pettixgaming
      @pettixgaming Před 4 lety +72

      Jude H sorry, i messed up the name, but not as hard as this episode messed up years of lore

    • @SunfishFan68
      @SunfishFan68 Před 4 lety +48

      Watchmojo is just about as preachy as the bbc themselves so I doubt their gonna criticise any of their leftist propaganda - my comment will probably get deleted anyways

    • @dshaynietheawesome
      @dshaynietheawesome Před 4 lety +3

      Agreed

    • @21pilotstillidie58
      @21pilotstillidie58 Před 4 lety +53

      If by "the most controversial episode" you mean the most garbage episode. Then yes you are right

    • @leephillips4402
      @leephillips4402 Před 4 lety +11

      pettix lp ok, in about one to ten years you'll all be whining about some other huge revelation that in the grand scheme of things dosent change anything and will have forgotten the timeless children ever existed

  • @leephillips4402
    @leephillips4402 Před 4 lety +558

    Ok who dislikes dalek that is like one of the most universally praised episodes ever made

    • @JoesAnimationHub
      @JoesAnimationHub Před 4 lety +36

      it's just WatchMojo's way of not admitting that the recent retcon in the series 12 finale pretty much pissed off the global populous.

    • @leephillips4402
      @leephillips4402 Před 4 lety +8

      Joe Taylor not me, or anyone who's aware they'd been building up to that since before the classic series was cancelled

    • @samuraisoul1043
      @samuraisoul1043 Před 4 lety +27

      You would make a great dalek is one of my favorite lines in doctor who.

    • @leephillips4402
      @leephillips4402 Před 4 lety

      Stephen Cooper which time?

    • @peterthompson1989
      @peterthompson1989 Před 4 lety +4

      @@leephillips4402 I gather you are talking about the doctor being the other. To me the problem with that and the timeless child is they both will actually ruin the mystery in the end

  • @famousnoodle1661
    @famousnoodle1661 Před 4 lety +375

    This channel should literally just be named doctor who top 10s UK edition.

  • @jerbinatorcc4999
    @jerbinatorcc4999 Před 4 lety +173

    The sonic sunglasses were funny and Peter Capaldi looked lit af
    Change my mind

    • @drabanddour
      @drabanddour Před 4 lety +19

      I agree completely. He looked like a really cool grandpa. In fact, the 12th Doctor is just a really cool grandpa.

    • @humaira339
      @humaira339 Před 4 lety +6

      Exactly! I don't get why people were pissed about that 😑

    • @cadkls
      @cadkls Před 4 lety +1

      @@humaira339 It's cringe

    • @ankaplanka
      @ankaplanka Před 4 lety +7

      The joke was about older people trying way too hard to stay hip. I agree about him being cool though! Going back to the 12th century with his electric guitar and a tank just to make a dramatic entrance was both cool and hilarious!

    • @Jeffersonyuvens
      @Jeffersonyuvens Před 3 lety +1

      i like em too, its cool and provides more tech twists, but i guess ppl like the screwdriver or at least used to sonic screwdriver as its iconic, and changing it ofc would upset fans

  • @robertmcghintheorca49
    @robertmcghintheorca49 Před 4 lety +69

    Regarding the Over The Rainbow mishap, Graham Norton made quite the comical apology on his own show by having his own cartoon banner get exterminated by, of course, a Dalek.

    • @kalvingoodlaxson
      @kalvingoodlaxson Před 4 lety +5

      Too be fair, it wasn't Graham's fault. It was the BBC who ran that annoying banner right during the cliffhanger, and he had nothing to do with that.

  • @kreehomel
    @kreehomel Před 4 lety +94

    Hell Bent and The Timeless Children both split the fandom. I'd say that's more controversy than anything on here.

    • @thatbloodypanda6989
      @thatbloodypanda6989 Před 4 lety +15

      Hell Bent wasn't even that bad honestly, I can see what people's issue is, but channels like The Who Addicts (I love them but it's a bit ridiculous how much they rant about it) take it way out of proportion.

    • @kreehomel
      @kreehomel Před 4 lety +4

      @@thatbloodypanda6989 I actually don't mind the first third or so of Hell Bent. Once Clara comes back into the episode, that's when it goes downhill for me.

    • @thatbloodypanda6989
      @thatbloodypanda6989 Před 4 lety

      @@kreehomel fair enough honestly

    • @Adam-dm7lc
      @Adam-dm7lc Před 3 lety +1

      Both were the 2 worst episodes of the shows history. Change my mind

  • @Myne1001
    @Myne1001 Před 4 lety +396

    I love how you completely missed the point of why people don't like "Let's Kill Hitler". It's not just because "hurr durr the baddie is hitler". No, it's the fact it was television's version of clickbait. Hitler had like, 4 minutes of screentime? The whole episode was actually the incredibly rushed back story of River Song. The title was incredibly misleading and seemed to be nothing but a drawcard for guaranteed views. Something that Watch Mojo knows all about.

    • @keyanstoney1742
      @keyanstoney1742 Před 4 lety +11

      And also the teaser at the end of the last episode didn’t make it clear that the doctor didn’t make the choice to save Hitler

    • @gabricaroasabedoria7867
      @gabricaroasabedoria7867 Před 4 lety +2

      tbf with the episode i think ive heard the phrase "lets kill hitle" when refering to either time travel stuff or a paradox, so it was lokelly a reference to that

    • @Myne1001
      @Myne1001 Před 4 lety

      @@gabricaroasabedoria7867 it was still baiting though as the episode had very little to do with Hitler at all

    • @2million_like_head425
      @2million_like_head425 Před 4 lety +4

      The episode is just shit

    • @dydx8585
      @dydx8585 Před 3 lety +1

      That's true of basically every episode.

  • @hattybee9136
    @hattybee9136 Před 4 lety +197

    TORCHWOOD SPOILERS
    when ianto died in torchwood the bbc got a record number of offcom complaints from upset fans

    • @TripleJumpYTP
      @TripleJumpYTP Před 4 lety +14

      He got a shrine

    • @starlynncline4331
      @starlynncline4331 Před 4 lety +11

      He was the most loved character in doctor who even above Jack

    • @ceinwencooke2603
      @ceinwencooke2603 Před 4 lety +6

      Yeahhhh I cried 😂

    • @ceinwencooke2603
      @ceinwencooke2603 Před 4 lety +7

      @@TripleJumpYTP I'm lucky cuz I've been as I only live around 2 hours away from Cardiff

    • @secretsquirrel7374
      @secretsquirrel7374 Před 4 lety +7

      On the Torchwood door in Cardiff bay people had put notes and flowers and coffee. It was like a shrine to Ianto and people were actually crying. Including me.

  • @archilles5037
    @archilles5037 Před 4 lety +100

    "Family show" Honey, this hasn't been a family show in a looooong time.

    • @tarafitzgerald163
      @tarafitzgerald163 Před 4 lety +2

      But that’s what’s sad 😔

    • @MichaelGriffey6969
      @MichaelGriffey6969 Před 3 lety +4

      They've been trying to with the latest doc, I think. It's become like the Sarah Jane Adventures, which I was sad to say was complete rubbish children's pap. Every episode has been a groaner and eyerollingly awful. Chinballs managed to kill Doctor Who. :(

    • @zeldabackwards
      @zeldabackwards Před 3 lety +1

      thankyou River Song

    • @ptolyclarke1400
      @ptolyclarke1400 Před 3 lety +2

      @@MichaelGriffey6969 sja tackled many problems children and adults alike went through; divorce, dementia, death, and that’s just a couple. But hey, everyone has opinions.

    • @redhood7650
      @redhood7650 Před 3 lety

      @Poppy KIRK I'm not the only one who remembers the trickster

  • @MusikloverinZ
    @MusikloverinZ Před 4 lety +40

    "he ditched the sonic screw driver for reasons unknown"
    Uhm... He ditched the sonic screwdriver because he gave it to davros before he knew who he was and then made a run for it, that's why he needed a replacement

    • @keevahusky
      @keevahusky Před 4 lety +3

      Yes but he's lost his screwdriver in the past, and just made a new one in the Tardis. They're asking here why did he ditch the concept of the screwdriver instead of just making a new one.

    • @doctorwhouniverse9338
      @doctorwhouniverse9338 Před 4 lety +3

      Matt brown. Because he didn’t want Davros to know the sunglasses were sonic in the witches familiar 2 parter. Davros had the doctor captured and he had the doctors glasses on the table next to him. If the doctor had made a screwdriver, Davros would have recognised it and got rid of it to ruin the chances of the doctor using it against him. 12 kept the sunglasses cuz he probably realised that if davros didnt know they were sonic. Then his enemy’s also wouldn’t

    • @PlanetNateGaming
      @PlanetNateGaming Před 4 lety

      @@keevahusky personally i believe that the Sunglasses where an attempt to change The Doctors tool of choice...I think The Doctor needs other tech other than the sonic screwdriver

    • @kevinowens7712
      @kevinowens7712 Před 4 lety

      The doctor just wanted a change

  • @joshuarowles9908
    @joshuarowles9908 Před 4 lety +464

    Already outdated with the release of The Timeless Child. That would be number 1 for sure haha

    • @Dim4323
      @Dim4323 Před 4 lety +2

      Becuase the doctor has boobs.

    • @itogi
      @itogi Před 4 lety +47

      @@Dim4323 Because canon is fucked

    • @davidesalama-robino6794
      @davidesalama-robino6794 Před 4 lety +9

      @@itogi it really didn't

    • @thedragonsunicorn
      @thedragonsunicorn Před 4 lety +20

      I'm just happy that for once, the controversy isn't about the doctor being a woman or the show being woke. And that finally fans are being split into two purely bcus of the controversial concept of the episode like old times. Finally feels like Doctor Who again.

    • @itogi
      @itogi Před 4 lety +3

      @PikaCinema How many times The Doctor regenerated?

  • @567secret
    @567secret Před 4 lety +18

    I LOVED THE SONIC GLASSES! They seemed to fit Capaldi's portrayal so well!

  • @WilliamCollins-Actor
    @WilliamCollins-Actor Před 4 lety +23

    Every time in dark water when the recording says “don’t cremate me” I get sooooo many chills. what’s Moffats obsession with dead remaining conscious it was the same in Dracula

  • @leephillips4402
    @leephillips4402 Před 4 lety +30

    The time Lords ability to give more regenerations has been established cannon for as long as the regeneration limit has, that was the masters whole motivation in the classic series

    • @andrescastillo7328
      @andrescastillo7328 Před 4 lety

      He was obsessed with having more regenerations.

    • @geowinchester4573
      @geowinchester4573 Před 4 lety +1

      yeah its literally established that this is possible so it wasn't that outlandish. honestly i was just happy doctor who wasn't gonna b over for good after 11

    • @andrescastillo7328
      @andrescastillo7328 Před 4 lety

      @@geowinchester4573 same

    • @pal-of-pals
      @pal-of-pals Před 2 lety

      "Regeneration, a complete new life cycle."

    • @johnanthonylucock7833
      @johnanthonylucock7833 Před 2 lety

      In the classic stories The Master had raced through his regenerations & had none left. Which is why in "The Keeper of Traken" he tried to take over T Doctor's body

  • @azrael557
    @azrael557 Před 3 lety +14

    I've never seen anyone hate Dalek. It's an amazing episode.

  • @Dim4323
    @Dim4323 Před 4 lety +82

    Also i like the sonic shades dont judge me, the 12th doctor was the like a cool uncle time rebel.
    Also bringing davros back was controversial because their no needs to come back.

    • @suzannemenuet947
      @suzannemenuet947 Před 4 lety +20

      I'm so glad I'm not the only one who likes the sonic glasses!

    • @masmurdermonkey9233
      @masmurdermonkey9233 Před 4 lety +15

      I like the sonic sunglasses too. I thought they were cool, and a good addition to the 12th doctor

    • @kazaklichborn3923
      @kazaklichborn3923 Před 4 lety +2

      I was glad the screwdriver was back, but they didn't look right for awhile without them.

    • @julieeverett7442
      @julieeverett7442 Před 4 lety +16

      are people forgetting Peter ASKED for the glasses so kids who dont have much money could cos play 12th glasses are cheeper and easier to find than the screwdriver. Yes the doctor without his screwdriver was strange, but its not that bad, I rather liked them!

    • @jespertollerudjakobsson6013
      @jespertollerudjakobsson6013 Před 4 lety +1

      Same as everyone on this Answer page

  • @tysondennis1016
    @tysondennis1016 Před 4 lety +22

    Already outdated due to “The Timeless Child.” And there’s few people who can remain serious while taunting a chained-up salt shaker with a plunger and eggbeater arm.

  • @Dim4323
    @Dim4323 Před 4 lety +81

    Also the 11th doctor said saving hittler was a Accident.
    Yeah the 11th doctor can make mistakes but he improves on em.

    • @philbogart7702
      @philbogart7702 Před 4 lety +2

      Hitler's death is s fixed point in time

    • @cryptozoomauler5505
      @cryptozoomauler5505 Před 4 lety +2

      There's also the fact that if Hitler was dead, his job could have gone to someone sane and just as evil - or worse - somebody who was better at letting the military decide military matters. Then Germany may have won WW2. All because Hitler was dead.

  • @jamesletts2209
    @jamesletts2209 Před 4 lety +21

    Some of these controversies and the reasons...people seriously need to get a grip 😩🙄🤣

  • @cryptozoomauler5505
    @cryptozoomauler5505 Před 4 lety +15

    How could any of these be more controversial than "The Timeless Children"?

  • @spaceagepenguin
    @spaceagepenguin Před 4 lety +131

    question, where's The Timeless Children?!

    • @samuraisoul1043
      @samuraisoul1043 Před 4 lety +7

      dr103 I didn’t. The master making cyber timelords . That was just one of the offenses to me. This was not controversial it was the single most worst destruction of a story in history imo . Absolutely pretentious and rubbish.

    • @spaceagepenguin
      @spaceagepenguin Před 4 lety +2

      and this is exactly why this episode is controversial!

    • @shortangel333
      @shortangel333 Před 4 lety +2

      This was probably made before Series 12, I mean Orphan 55 and Timeless Children should be on here.

    • @lyyaam4873
      @lyyaam4873 Před 4 lety +5

      its not controversial. Everyone agrees that it sucks

    • @spaceagepenguin
      @spaceagepenguin Před 4 lety

      @@lyyaam4873 yeah let's be honest, it would've been better IF IT DIDN'T COME OUT SO CLOSE TO STAR WARS: THE RISE OF SKYWALKER!!! (I mean seriously, they are pretty similar, only difference, The Rise of Skywalker is much better)

  • @merci-wheelium
    @merci-wheelium Před 4 lety +58

    Orphan 55 would definitely be on this list now.

    • @reddragon3824
      @reddragon3824 Před 4 lety +3

      The list came out 2hrs ago

    • @ohnogeorge5122
      @ohnogeorge5122 Před 4 lety +6

      Merci-Wheelium it wasn’t controversial it was just annoying

    • @speed65752
      @speed65752 Před 4 lety +2

      @@Noah-id7lu At least, the 12th series is a little bit better than 11th series.
      I miss Moffat and Russel.

    • @niamhrtditchfield2348
      @niamhrtditchfield2348 Před 4 lety

      I really liked it, I know people complain about it being political, but this show has always been controversial

  • @jacobgaunt2438
    @jacobgaunt2438 Před 4 lety +13

    Dalek was a insane episode, like it’s my favourite of Eccleston’s one

  • @Blitzo8390
    @Blitzo8390 Před 4 lety +182

    I expected The Timeless Children to be number 1

    • @lukewoodman9714
      @lukewoodman9714 Před 4 lety +3

      Same here

    • @cordyceps182
      @cordyceps182 Před 4 lety +30

      Can't be controversial if everyone agrees it's terrible

    • @kreemy123
      @kreemy123 Před 4 lety +3

      @@cordyceps182 hahahaha gottem

    • @singrdave
      @singrdave Před 4 lety +4

      There's a difference between "problematic" and "completely ruins canon"

    • @mayotango1317
      @mayotango1317 Před 4 lety +3

      Why? That episode save Doctor Who, makes the Doctor more mysterius.

  • @suzannemenuet947
    @suzannemenuet947 Před 4 lety +31

    Dark Water really had me freaked out about death, and I'm 33!

    • @andrescastillo7328
      @andrescastillo7328 Před 4 lety +3

      I was frightened too

    • @NigelGentry
      @NigelGentry Před 4 lety +4

      Me too. My husband had recently died and been cremated. So, it struck a particularly bad chord with me!

    • @ljllob4740
      @ljllob4740 Před 4 lety +1

      That's what doctor who is meant to do scare adults and children alike

    • @cadkls
      @cadkls Před 4 lety

      I think education needs to be improved so that people dont mistake fiction for reality.

  • @vashna3799
    @vashna3799 Před 4 lety +14

    Timeless Child, followed by the Timeless Child Again.

  • @ellisward1031
    @ellisward1031 Před 4 lety +37

    Well now we have that answer that the doctor was the timeless child, we know that the doctor has an unlimited amount of regenerations. As this video came out after the latest series end, I am surprised to find that the time of the doctor would still be on a list like this

    • @user-vl2bk4no7f
      @user-vl2bk4no7f Před 4 lety +11

      It's because Series 11 and 12 aren't canon

    • @harley7836
      @harley7836 Před 4 lety +4

      Big bot Hours yes they are! Just because the Doctor is now a female does not mean it’s a completely different show.

    • @CrayZayJay
      @CrayZayJay Před 4 lety +4

      RP LP that’s not why they aren’t canon. They aren’t canon because the writer is a hack

    • @RyanAlexanC
      @RyanAlexanC Před 4 lety +6

      RP LP it’s not about the doctor being female, she probably would’ve been a great doctor if she had good or even just decent writing, but chibnals writing has just ruined it all

    • @andrescastillo7328
      @andrescastillo7328 Před 4 lety

      @@harley7836 true

  • @butterflygirl5365
    @butterflygirl5365 Před 4 lety +18

    What the Hell ???? I love 'Dalek' How can people dislike it ????

    • @anegg1369
      @anegg1369 Před 4 lety +3

      Butterfly Girl because they saw Christopher Eccleston half naked.

  • @krfink100
    @krfink100 Před 4 lety +123

    Did you like not include The Timeless Children on purpose or have you just stopped watching the show like everyone else?

    • @CptnWolfe
      @CptnWolfe Před 4 lety +6

      Possibly because people still haven't seen that episode yet

    • @apexa903
      @apexa903 Před 4 lety +3

      Probably because this would have been written before that episode 🤦‍♂️

    • @leebrooks6402
      @leebrooks6402 Před 4 lety +8

      It’s not really controversial though, everyone thinks it’s shit

    • @apexa903
      @apexa903 Před 4 lety +3

      Lee Brooks not true

    • @leebrooks6402
      @leebrooks6402 Před 4 lety +5

      ApexArmy how? I’ve not seen anyone who thinks it’s good or even mediocre the consensus is that it’s awful

  • @juliecarriker9950
    @juliecarriker9950 Před 4 lety +22

    Another fan of the sonic sunglasses. Sonic sunglasses are cool!

  • @animefan25
    @animefan25 Před 4 lety +10

    With the exception of the pre-Eccleston episodes (which I haven't seen before), none of those episodes are controversial.

  • @kieranpotter1483
    @kieranpotter1483 Před 4 lety +9

    Matt Smith last episode was truly brilliant it made me laugh, cry and kept me on the edge of my seat.

  • @carealoo744
    @carealoo744 Před 4 lety +59

    Master: 'I have no better nature.'
    Me: 'MISSY!'

    • @seanbarron2890
      @seanbarron2890 Před 4 lety +7

      The theory is that the current Master is a pre-Missy regeneration

    • @leephillips4402
      @leephillips4402 Před 4 lety +1

      Did you really think that was gonna last

    • @carealoo744
      @carealoo744 Před 4 lety +1

      @@leephillips4402 I mean, Yeah. Do you have a better idea on how to end the character of The Master?

    • @leephillips4402
      @leephillips4402 Před 4 lety

      carealoo744 we all know that's not gonna happen, I was kinda relieved the master died with galifrey case that means it's probably coming back when he does

    • @carealoo744
      @carealoo744 Před 4 lety +1

      @@leephillips4402 We all know that what was going to happen?
      If Chris Chibnall Really wanted to bring back The Master that badly, why not just bring back The Rani instead, since apparently everyone just claims she's a female version of The Master anyway.

  • @SpeedstersUnited
    @SpeedstersUnited Před 4 lety +91

    How tf is the episode Dalek controversial? Also how is the witches familiar controversial? Or Deep Breath? I bet you guys don't even know I thing about Doctor Who or even watch it.

    • @CptnWolfe
      @CptnWolfe Před 4 lety +6

      Because it was a rather brutal episode, especially when the Dalek shoots the wet floor and kills multiple soldiers in one swoop

    • @Jackgames-vg7cw
      @Jackgames-vg7cw Před 4 lety +6

      It's controversial if someone disagrees with it

    • @Myne1001
      @Myne1001 Před 4 lety +5

      To be fair Deep Breath did deserve to be on this list, not for lesbian kissing, but the fact it was utter trash and gave a really bad first impression for the 12th Doctor.

    • @lapelcelery42
      @lapelcelery42 Před 4 lety +1

      @@Myne1001 Yes. Every episode with the Paternoster gang should have been on this list because they're one of the stupidest things in the series.

    • @themistakery6834
      @themistakery6834 Před 4 lety +3

      Myne1001 I thought deep breath was quite good

  • @pyromaniac2104
    @pyromaniac2104 Před 4 lety +13

    Despite the fact that I actually love the episode you can't get around the fact that this video is uploaded in 2020 and does not feature the timeless children I mean I love the episode but have you seen the shitstorm that surrounds it?! And yet the number one 1 most controversial episode that I quote "is the most controversial episode since the 2005 Revival" is Dark Water??????

    • @amazingabby25
      @amazingabby25 Před 3 lety

      This was made a while back. And reuploaded

  • @brianartillery
    @brianartillery Před 4 lety +25

    'Davros' Yet Again, and 'The Talons Of Weng Chiang' has only very recently been criticised for 'white facing'. In the mid 1970's when this was made, it was standard practice - John Wayne played Genghis Khan in the (frankly terrible) movie 'The Conqueror'. It's of it's time. It's not right, I do agree, but when 'Talons' was broadcast, there were not many Chinese actors available for the role of Li H'sen Chang; (who wasn't the main bad guy - that was Magnus Greel) it was just watched, and enjoyed as a superb, clever story. Only now, forty - odd years after broadcast, have people complained. Furthermore, Doctor Who hasn't been a show I would class as 'Family Friendly' since about 1985. Violence, and stories most children would struggle to understand have been the norm.
    And no mention of 'Vengeance On Varos', or 'Revelation Of The Daleks' (where the dead are converted into Daleks or food)? Both garnered lots of complaints about sadism and bad taste.

    • @Ocsttiac
      @Ocsttiac Před 4 lety +4

      Talons definitely feels of its time. I watched it a few years ago and felt extremely uncomfortable (not helped that I'm Chinese), thanks to the portrayal and the attitude of the characters, most notably the Doctor who never once opposed the negative stereotyping and language used by the white characters.
      Even orphaning my personal issues from this story, I think Talons is still super overrated. I think most people are liking it for style over substance, i.e. the streets of Victorian London. The plot is drawn out and meanders all over the place, and Magnus Greel is just a worse, more boring Sutekh. In fact, he reminds me of a worse Sharaz Jek too.

    • @Morphstock
      @Morphstock Před 4 lety +2

      It is mentioned in the video that it didn't cause much controversy at the time in the UK. It was more controversial abroad, Australian TV wouldn't broadcast it for example. At the time in the UK I don't it seemed that unusual as Chinese stereotypes were quite common in film and TV. That's not to say it's ok,just that Talons wouldn't have particularly stood out.

    • @SJHFoto
      @SJHFoto Před 4 lety

      Actually, I've never seen "The Talons Of Weng Chiang" until recently because it was not aired in Canada. It wasn't just recently that this was a scandal.

    • @madeleine5561
      @madeleine5561 Před 3 lety +1

      Glad someone can look at classic who episodes that are problematic in this day and age and not lose their sh**. People need to take into account what was acceptable at the time before jumping on things. Few people these days seem to understand the phrase "of it's time". I'm not saying what was done in Talons and other shows at the time was right, it wasn't, just that people really should get a grip when viewing these matters and not go crazy over them.
      I think people should be able to look at something like that, admit it wasn't right, and do their best to use it as an example of what not to do so that the same mistakes are not repeated.

  • @Artisan1979
    @Artisan1979 Před 4 lety +6

    I think the recent finale, the timeless child, earns the top spot on this list

  • @itogi
    @itogi Před 4 lety +54

    №1 - "The timeless children"

    • @faerierose84
      @faerierose84 Před 4 lety +1

      This.

    • @thedragonsunicorn
      @thedragonsunicorn Před 4 lety +8

      I quite liked it, yes it had some flaws but overall it was well executed, the episode had me on the edge of my seat, and all main characters, particularly the doctor had prime time and the visuals were fab! I can see why some people dislike the concept but you can't deny the episode itself was very well done.

    • @itogi
      @itogi Před 4 lety +4

      @@thedragonsunicorn Some flaws? It's shit wrapped in a fancy package.

    • @jacobreddington9464
      @jacobreddington9464 Před 4 lety +9

      TheDragon'sUnicorn well everything you just said couldn’t be more wrong. The episode is the worst in the history of doctor who and the reasons for it is so obvious that it has ruined doctor who and the whole history of the show. Why did it need to that. 11th doctor was granted more regenerations but now he never needed too? It’s just ruined everything that the classic and new who have done in just one episode. The whole series was shocking but this episode is unforgivable and needs to be removed from who history.

    • @apachealpha3411
      @apachealpha3411 Před 4 lety +4

      Actually no, The Timeless Children is far from the worst, or controversial episode of Dr.Who. As an episode it was good - it wasn’t a R.T. Davies level episode but it wasn’t a million miles off. What people need to remember is that Dr Who has always rewritten and retconned it’s self - When the show first started the First Doctor was just a human from the future. It wasn’t’t until the 2nd Doctor that he became an alien, and it wasn’t until the third / fourth doctor he became a time lord. Chibnell has to build on this revelation of the ‘Timeless Child’, currently it leaves too many unanswered questions, and it sounds like the next series is going to do just this. For all we know, the ‘extra regeneration cycle’ could just have been a weapon given to the Doctor on Trenzalore to save the planet and himself. All the retconning and rewrites has only given the show more depth, and people need to remember that.

  • @djburke4314
    @djburke4314 Před 4 lety +64

    "It's a family show, it needs to be suitable for everyone" yh try telling that Chibnall and his plus one that

    • @djburke4314
      @djburke4314 Před 4 lety +2

      Oh I'm sorry that the sentence wasn't complete
      Would you like to complete it for me

  • @danecarrington4326
    @danecarrington4326 Před 4 lety +5

    Who else here wish that the Angels comeback at season 13?

    • @mmm5409
      @mmm5409 Před 4 lety

      Chibnall would ruin them

    • @julieeverett7442
      @julieeverett7442 Před 3 lety

      no! They should have stayed a one off with blink, the 11th doctors run in with them were ok but didnt get me like blink did!

  • @phoenixdaniels212
    @phoenixdaniels212 Před 4 lety +2

    The fact that the timeless child wasnt mentioned

  • @kittenallie
    @kittenallie Před 4 lety +32

    How is #1 not the new retcon origin

    • @thunberbolttwo3953
      @thunberbolttwo3953 Před 4 lety

      agreed.

    • @MrPbhuh
      @MrPbhuh Před 4 lety

      Because pretty much all media is complicit in refusing to criticize the newest two series, gosh i wonder why. Even though its not because of a female doctor that people hate it, it's because chibnell is the worst writer ever and should be fired.

    • @donder91
      @donder91 Před 4 lety

      @@MrPbhuh yeah, a female doctor was not the issue. The fact this show became doctor woke is.

    • @shimonnym
      @shimonnym Před 4 lety

      It's too recent

    • @evosquest1
      @evosquest1 Před 4 lety

      @@shimonnym how? Series 11 came out over a year ago. Series 12 had the worst ratings and storylines of the whole of Nu Who. How hard is it to look at the way the fans have reacted and add the episodes that caused it? It's not like this is a CZcams channel where they can get clips from any show within minutes or somethi... Oh wait...

  • @SupraKooper
    @SupraKooper Před 4 lety +4

    This is clearly an episode before season 12 finale because the doctor has unlimited regeneration

  • @celinathommesen-kahler2142
    @celinathommesen-kahler2142 Před 4 lety +26

    The Doctor didn't just get 1 other regeneration cycle, nor did he _technically_ get infinite. The Doctor already had infinite regenerations until the Time Lords imposes the limit of 12 on him after the Ruth Doctor gets caught. The energy 11 receives through his mouth, was like a "key" unlocking his full regeneration ability.

    • @superduck6456
      @superduck6456 Před 4 lety +8

      No true doctor who fan accepts the Ruth doctor.

    • @cybrmaTS
      @cybrmaTS Před 4 lety +5

      @@superduck6456 or no true fan doesn't accept the ruth doctor. You dont know doctor who at all if you think it sticks with canon, it never does it changes over time. Canon and doctor who never work together. Chibnall has basically used "the other" storyline from the 80s and bought it in now.

    • @superduck6456
      @superduck6456 Před 4 lety +7

      cybrmaTS
      Chibnall valued one mediocre episode’s plot hole over all other pretty much set in stone canon. Yes, small things can change, but never to this extent. The Doctor’s backstory was always kept intentionally vague; that’s why it’s called Doctor *Who*. Now that we know who the doctor is, what’s the point? (Also, the Ruth doctor creates more plot holes than it fixes). This retconned story does not add anything of value. It also dishonors William Hartnell. He is no longer the first doctor or special; he is just one of potentially hundreds of doctors. In my mind, and many other people’s minds as well, this episode is terrible and should have never existed in the first place.

    • @cybrmaTS
      @cybrmaTS Před 4 lety +5

      @@superduck6456 wrong, the idea of "the other" was to add more mystery to the doctor, as we knew who he was and where his was from. But now the "who" part actually has more of a meaning cause there is more mystery that has been added. As for hartnell, it doesn't actually matter. Hes the first of the doctors life as she knows it, we've always known there were more incarnations before anyway because it's been hinted at before. Now we know, what's the issue. Everyone takes it differently but you cant say a true fan doesn't accept the ruth dr, that's just a fan in denial. However I agree with what you're saying but what has happened is nothing new, it was an idea from the 80s that been added to now and always was going to be added. I adore hartnells doctor, but in no way does it change, hes still the doctor. Just not the true first, but the first of the drs life as she knows it.

    • @raykie3379
      @raykie3379 Před 4 lety +1

      @@cybrmaTS i cant believe there are people like you that defend this disaster

  • @preethisunder1499
    @preethisunder1499 Před 4 lety +1

    people hate the sonic sunglasses? and for what? we got to see twelve and one in sunglasses looking like cool old grandpas and y'all wanna hate?

  • @joshuadawson5411
    @joshuadawson5411 Před 4 lety +3

    That climax scene from the time angels would be rated so much higher if that didn’t happen. What an iconic and brilliant scene that is.

  • @sobermind9885
    @sobermind9885 Před 4 lety +2

    Oh, come on! The sonic sunglasses were cool... Yeah, I was glad to see the sonic screwdriver back in the end of season 9, but I don't hate that they tried something different.

  • @melancholymelon5316
    @melancholymelon5316 Před 4 lety +6

    I liked the sonic glasses and loved the the time of the doctor

  • @Ceolskog
    @Ceolskog Před 4 lety +3

    A certain recent episode which is oddly missing should be top spot. Also, Love and Monsters deserves an honourable mention.

  • @Zorkahz
    @Zorkahz Před 4 lety +4

    The Deadly Assassin scene was a lot worse for Tom Baker since he’s Aquaphobic

  • @cryofpaine
    @cryofpaine Před 4 lety +15

    Other than the racist one, these are just fans overreacting. Even the ad (if it was just the banner with no sound) is a silly complaint.
    Meanwhile, where is Hell Bent? If any episode deserves to be on here, it's the one where the Doctor - the "man who never would" - straight up murders someone.

    • @Grizzly01
      @Grizzly01 Před 4 lety +1

      Who does the Doctor murder, pray tell?

    • @TurtleDudeProd
      @TurtleDudeProd Před 4 lety +1

      Grizzly01 The General. But technically he only caused a regeneration so it wasnt really murder.

    • @Grizzly01
      @Grizzly01 Před 4 lety

      @@TurtleDudeProd My thoughts too, which is why I queried it.

    • @akamundi864
      @akamundi864 Před 3 lety

      Well i think the point is how desperate the doctor was to save clara

    • @cryofpaine
      @cryofpaine Před 3 lety

      @@Grizzly01 yes, but A) he's bringing the general one generation closer to final death; and B) he's repeatedly said that regeneration is like dying - it is the end of that unique version of the person.

  • @joshuagodfrey5686
    @joshuagodfrey5686 Před 4 lety +23

    Timeless Child anyone?

  • @zeldabackwards
    @zeldabackwards Před 3 lety +2

    the doctor uses the sunglasses when he is blind to see so they aint all bad

  • @omega2591.
    @omega2591. Před 4 lety +1

    honestly, i think that kill the moon isn't the best episode, but I still think that some elements are okay... like the whole moon being an egg thing was ridiculous, but i think the way Clara was left to decide and choose with Earth about their moral dilemma actually showed the Doctor's suspicion of Clara and the people on Earth, and in a way, i think that this was a test from the Doctor to see whether Clara and all the people did save the creature and risk their lives or not. yes, it is unconventional, but that's why i like peter capaldi's doctor so much, because it puts the doctor in a new light.

  • @poppy-willowkent9803
    @poppy-willowkent9803 Před 4 lety +3

    BBFC 12 doesn’t mean you have to be 12 to watch. It means that you have to be 12 to buy/rent any DVD with that episode on it that is why the whole season one collection is rated 12 even though only certain episodes are rated 12, also The unquiet dead is also a 12.

  • @jcrossan1351
    @jcrossan1351 Před 4 lety +29

    All these Doctor who videos and you still don’t know how to pronounce Davros

    • @blobfish5730
      @blobfish5730 Před 4 lety

      or the talons of weng chiang. How do you not know how to pronounce one of the most iconic stories ever?

    • @seanbarron2890
      @seanbarron2890 Před 4 lety

      Dav-rose! And Pasternoster!

    • @Jackgames-vg7cw
      @Jackgames-vg7cw Před 4 lety

      It's a meam now so they probably do it on purpose

    • @GetRekt-bw6pu
      @GetRekt-bw6pu Před 4 lety

      @@seanbarron2890 Davros

  • @MarforSonOfLucifer
    @MarforSonOfLucifer Před 4 lety +2

    Timeless Child is the most controversial, as it literally destroyed the show.

  • @kaimerry1587
    @kaimerry1587 Před 4 lety +2

    5:35 oh lorde, UK audience. have some tolerance with your tea. As long as its 2 consenting adults, doesnt matter the gender

  • @BenVSA
    @BenVSA Před 4 lety +5

    I’d at least put Timeless Children in the same spot as Time, given both handwave the regeneration thing (even if I personally don’t mind the change, just need to look at the comments to see that staying outside the lines of “fandom” is good for one’s mental health).

    • @julieeverett7442
      @julieeverett7442 Před 3 lety

      actually it was established in classic era the high council of time lords could grant a new life cycle in some cases, and after time locking them, rather than destroying them they decided to grant him a boon when clara pleaded for him!

    • @BenVSA
      @BenVSA Před 3 lety

      julie everett I more kinda meant with the war doctor and ten regenerating into ten two, but even with this being the case, you gotta wonder how much is gospel canon especially with more recent stuff

  • @GhostLightPhilosophy
    @GhostLightPhilosophy Před 4 lety +6

    Some classic who ones
    The Daleks
    Power of the Daleks
    Terror of the Autons
    The Deadly Assassin
    The Talons of Weng Chiang
    Resurrection of the Daleks
    Vengeance on Varos
    Revelation of the Daleks

  • @namename9998
    @namename9998 Před 4 lety +2

    7:44 Captain Grumpy (The War (Ninth) Doctor)
    7:54 Vanity issues (David Tennant as the Eleventh & Twelfth Doctors)

  • @prva9347
    @prva9347 Před 3 lety +1

    The 2-episode story "Vengeance on Varos" (Colin Baker as the 6th Doctor) provoked considerable controversy for its violent content, with the Doctor causing the acid bath deaths of two guards, scenes showing attempted hangings and there were genetic experiments on the female characters. Varos society was one in which torture and executions were shown as public entertainment. The story was heavily criticised in "The Radio Times" letters page and the tv programme "Points of View" (a show which each week read out viewers' letters to the BBC), important because complaints were from members of the public not just Mary Whitehouse.

  • @warwick936
    @warwick936 Před 4 lety +4

    The hitler one doesn’t make any sense as Hitler didn’t die randomly in his office in 1938 😂

    • @drd444
      @drd444 Před 4 lety +4

      Well he doesn't in the episode either. So what's your point?

  • @Banana_boat
    @Banana_boat Před 4 lety +6

    I would have thought the most recent episode would have been number 1.
    It basically shat on years of history and backstory just to make a new story.

    • @leephillips4402
      @leephillips4402 Před 4 lety

      banana boat it actually touched on plot threads that were in the works since before the classic series ended

  • @bel7055
    @bel7055 Před 4 lety +2

    Surprised that Love and Monsters isn’t on here

  • @grumpynothappy1776
    @grumpynothappy1776 Před 4 lety +2

    The answer to they gave him regenerations is because he's the original as they have just discovered in the last series

    • @superduck6456
      @superduck6456 Před 4 lety +2

      That episode shouldn’t exist. It’s a disgrace.

  • @ellissykotik6159
    @ellissykotik6159 Před 4 lety +8

    I don’t know why but Christopher eccleston would be a great batman

  • @ChubbyTheEwok
    @ChubbyTheEwok Před 4 lety +14

    Cant believe BBC have taken such a long break after Peter Capaldi left Doctor Who. Hope it returns soon!

    • @sky7758
      @sky7758 Před 4 lety

      😂😂😂

    • @Dr_Mj
      @Dr_Mj Před 4 lety

      😂😂😂👍👍👍

    • @lapelcelery42
      @lapelcelery42 Před 4 lety +1

      Maybe they're going to do the same thing that happened with Star Wars and Indiana Jones and stop it when they made exactly the right amount - just three movies each.

    • @OneBirdAllStoned
      @OneBirdAllStoned Před 3 lety

      Too bad it kept going

  • @jonathanpearson5160
    @jonathanpearson5160 Před 4 lety +1

    Talking of things that are widely mocked - this list. 1) the nazis were not the main villain hitler was a side story the main villain was a newly regenerated river song 2) Amy openly tried to seduce the doctor in an omitted episode 3) Amy shot a child in an omitted episode 4) the devil featured in an episode, and 5) they killed Clara in an episode

  • @thegirlwitheeyes1232
    @thegirlwitheeyes1232 Před 5 měsíci

    Idk how doctor who is considered a "Family show", when there's episodes like midnight, and the waters of Mars

  • @rjduckwithknife0909
    @rjduckwithknife0909 Před 4 lety +26

    Notice how most of the controversy in Dr. Who is recent? It's because most of the globe are flannels now. People need to grow up.

    • @christophersmith3272
      @christophersmith3272 Před 4 lety +1

      Take it you missed the bit about the activist trying to get violence off TV during the 70s?

    • @laurencannon3417
      @laurencannon3417 Před 4 lety

      or because the show has massively dropped in quality over the last few years?

    • @rjduckwithknife0909
      @rjduckwithknife0909 Před 4 lety

      @@christophersmith3272 ngl mukka, it's not exactly raging news XD

    • @julieeverett7442
      @julieeverett7442 Před 3 lety +1

      agreed

  • @picamike
    @picamike Před 4 lety +3

    ...Not the timeless child?

    • @lyyaam4873
      @lyyaam4873 Před 4 lety +1

      its not controversial. Everyone agrees that it sucks

    • @picamike
      @picamike Před 4 lety

      @@lyyaam4873 True 😂

  • @abominablesound2769
    @abominablesound2769 Před 4 lety +1

    I’m shocked that NOBODY has mentioned turn left or the waters of mars. That was the darkest doctor who has ever been.

    • @julieeverett7442
      @julieeverett7442 Před 3 lety

      do you understand what controversal means? Dark is not bad!

  • @multitoucan300
    @multitoucan300 Před 4 lety +1

    Top 10 most controversial Doctor Who episodes without mentioning Hell Bent or The Timeless Children ?
    That's bold...

  • @HurtLittleGirl
    @HurtLittleGirl Před 4 lety +5

    Apart from the Chinese episode all these episodes seem fine to me. I loved Timeless Child as well.

  • @saintspaz2763
    @saintspaz2763 Před 4 lety +3

    So I guess the timeless child was just fine then?

    • @doctoromega009
      @doctoromega009 Před 4 lety +1

      Yeah

    • @YoutubeBlobMcFish
      @YoutubeBlobMcFish Před 4 lety +2

      i loved the timeless children

    • @leephillips4402
      @leephillips4402 Před 4 lety +1

      Either i found the two least whiney people on this comment board, or you didn't think through the impossibility of conveying sarcasm on a written message

    • @doctoromega009
      @doctoromega009 Před 4 lety

      @@leephillips4402 Sorry

    • @leephillips4402
      @leephillips4402 Před 4 lety

      Doctor Omega are you being sincere or was that failed sarcasm

  • @thehorrorcounselors4747
    @thehorrorcounselors4747 Před 4 lety +1

    The timeless child better be first that’s all I’m saying. Not only has it destroyed the entirety of Doctor who it also has child abusive from the get go with the doctors “mother” killing him several times to study regeneration.

  • @footballntha8437
    @footballntha8437 Před 3 lety

    'the Doctor wouldn't have any thing to do with saving Hitler's life' alright then, let me quote the 10th Doctor then 'Davros, come with me, I can save you.' The Doctor's compassion has no bounds, that is why he's an amazing hero, he's willing to save anyone he can.

  • @raidenstark315
    @raidenstark315 Před 4 lety +2

    Real number 1
    The timeless child

  • @jevasamy
    @jevasamy Před 4 lety +3

    I want doctor who new season

  • @crimsoncomet3756
    @crimsoncomet3756 Před 3 lety +1

    WatchMojoUK in this video: this episode would upset children, that episode would upset children, that one would upset children as well. Oh ohh this one here would upset children very much.
    I'm once a children and doesn't get upset during Sylvester McCoy era, which is the darkest of Doctor Who era. Yes it is frightening but worth a shot instead of become a coward child who's watching Mickey Mouse and Teletubbies all the time. You'll end up become a coward when you grow up.

  • @TaeSunWoo
    @TaeSunWoo Před 4 lety +1

    So when are y’all just going to become a full on Doctor Who channel? I’m for it

  • @backtothefutureman1
    @backtothefutureman1 Před 4 lety +8

    I live the Sonic Sunglasses, its good that they added another Sonic device besides the Sonic Screwdriver.

  • @brianartillery
    @brianartillery Před 4 lety +3

    Most noticeably, you omitted the story that the Police objected to - 1971's 'Terror Of The Autons', in which a policeman who encounters the Doctor, in his third incarnation, turns out to be an Auton, a blank faced plastic weapon in the shape of a man. The police complained because the bogus policeman was a frightening opponent, who, after being rammed over the edge of a deep quarry by a car, just gets up and starts climbing back up. The police didn't like this, as they had been striving to convince children, quite rightly, that they were approachable and friendly, and not to be feared. The sinisterly silent Auton policemen with removable faces, undid all that, in a matter of minutes. There were numerous other complaints about the story making things like dolls, telephone cables, and inflatable furniture frightening to children.

  • @TheAJ2501
    @TheAJ2501 Před 4 lety +1

    Heyo, I knew they would update the list.
    But seriously hell, why is 'The Timeless Children' isn't even on the list.

  • @mikevisby8744
    @mikevisby8744 Před 4 lety +1

    What is funny about #1, it wasn't saying this is where you go when you die. The reason why these people died and went there was because of Missy and time lord tech uploading their consciousness, so it is kind of funny that people got upset because they didn't understand the story.

  • @dawnhaselden4612
    @dawnhaselden4612 Před 4 lety +6

    I love doctor who ❤️❤️

  • @AtheistOrphan
    @AtheistOrphan Před 4 lety +3

    ‘Dav-Roews’ FFS Watchmojo!

  • @animelovers000
    @animelovers000 Před 4 lety +1

    Apart from the Tom Baker one you showed, none of the others are controversial. Death in heaven should had been on here, if i remember right it got into a lot of trouble mainly because of the ending part with the Cyberman Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart-brought back as a Cyberman. That episode even ended up in the papers the following day because of it.

  • @tomassoejakto
    @tomassoejakto Před 3 lety

    The time lords reset the regeneration cycle, but later we found out that, as the timeless child, the doctor has always been able to regenerate for an infinite number of times.
    Continuity problem, that.

  • @speed65752
    @speed65752 Před 4 lety +4

    To all people complaining about "The timeless child":
    Did you already forget series 11?

    • @leephillips4402
      @leephillips4402 Před 4 lety +3

      senegal 98 and in about a year they'll have forgotten season 12, it's all about the latest thing to complain about with these people

  • @johnbiggscr
    @johnbiggscr Před 4 lety +3

    Kill the moon was a stupid episode.

  • @colleenjacobs9466
    @colleenjacobs9466 Před 4 lety

    I actually have a copy of 'The Talons of Weng-Chiang' on VHS, has always been one of my favorites. Also one of my favorite parts played by Deep Roy, as Mr Sin.

  • @derangedcrouton1864
    @derangedcrouton1864 Před 4 lety

    For all ages huh? An orphan was murdered and eaten by a giant killer bat in one episode after saying that no-one would miss her. And let us not forget that people die in every episode

  • @laserblast92
    @laserblast92 Před 4 lety +6

    Next one should be about how Chibnall ruined Dr Who in 2 seasons....

    • @itogi
      @itogi Před 4 lety +4

      They'll not make that video because they're too woke for that

    • @leephillips4402
      @leephillips4402 Před 4 lety +1

      Good guy's are really good at encouraging people not to listen to you

  • @SonnyK248
    @SonnyK248 Před 4 lety +5

    5000 people complaining about the Graham Norton thing need to get a life

    • @leephillips4402
      @leephillips4402 Před 4 lety +1

      wayne conway that could be said about anyone who commented on this video

    • @SonnyK248
      @SonnyK248 Před 4 lety

      @@leephillips4402 how so?

    • @leephillips4402
      @leephillips4402 Před 4 lety +1

      wayne conway it's just lines apon lines of people whining about the series finale

  • @zaquhe
    @zaquhe Před 4 lety +1

    No Timeless child? Honestly I think I can give Watchmojo that one. Playing devils advocate: The Timeless Child isn't on here because it doesn't seem to be controversial, it's flat out hated by anyone who's not being paid to sing it's praises.

  • @SecretJaeger
    @SecretJaeger Před 4 lety +1

    also alot of people were saying that the timless child episode was extremely controversial i dont think its controversial i think its just a really big surprise as well as people saying it messed up years of lore they are right but at the same time they are kind of wrong if anything it added more to the law. it showed us more about the timelords and their origins. yes it may have added nothing to the present timeline but in all aspects gives us a better view of the doctor and if anything more understanding about the master. now people will definately have something to say but this is just my opinion . it was a huge surprise which not many people saw coming and it upset people a lot. but these are the kinds of things you have to deal with when a show has no where left to go and is running out of ideas for bad guys. if people want the show to continue running they are going to have to get used to this. in all fairness as well the show is about a time travelling alien who fights monsters with the help of his/her companions. when you think about it nothing has changed that much.