South Korea's Crisis: It needs babies
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Koreans were starving in the 1950s but still were having 5 babies. This isn't about cost. It's about trying to live a stress-free life
people wake up to the fact that life is a pyramid scheme 🤨
THEY WERE HAVING 6 TIMES MORE KIDS NOT 5 AND IS NOT ABOUT STRESS FREE LIFE IS ABOUT BRAIN WASH AND SELFISHNESS ON TOP OF THE CANCER OF FEMINISM.
but if you decline in population then the country's brain power, economic power and military will also decline to the point of detriment. Mother Nature will get its due whether you want to do what you are suppose to do or not.
it's about people realizing life is hard enough and not making it harder by having kids!
@@thispersonrighthere9024 i remember a comment that said children are financial drain but emotional treasures and make things bearable because if you handle a tantrum of a child you can handle anything.
9 years ago, my colleague at that time who is Korean said his 9-year-old daughter came home at 9:00 P.M everyday. The compeitition in Korea is so overwhelming. A lot of school kids/girls have to go to different institutions to learn things such as English, music etc. It's very common for a Korean high school student sleep 3-4 hours a day in their senior year to prepare for entrance exam of college. Who in their right mind would like to have kids living like this?
Korea was still very competitive in the 70s and 80s but they were having x6 times more children. So ur explanation is BS
@@andresmattos7541 not BS but the younger gen got wise up, don't want to suffer like shit as the previous gen do. tell me who in the right mind want to only sleep 3 to 4 hours everyday? not me.🤔
@@jimli3604 and explain why is that young koreans bitch they have no money to rise a child bu spent in 2022 alon 16 billion us dollars in luxury goods? Lol
Not a Korean, but the first comment is either a troll or willingly foolish. Korea of the 70s and 80s was a growing economy with thousands of available jobs. There was no housing crisis (or at least it was not so pronounced). The baseline standard of living in the 70s was low, which means fewer expectations. Now things are different. Korea is an industrialized economy with a housing crisis, an exorbitant standard of living and an oversupply of talent. Its almost like life is worse off for the new generation despite technological innovations...
@@whtfl why is there a housing crisis in Korea? Regulations? Its not like Koreans insist on living in single family houses, apartment buildings seem to be the norm.
And damn, sucks to hear about the dangerous factory jobs still widespread! Korea is a leader in thr tech industry, I thought those kinds of jobs would be automated by now. Or at least they'd require complex machinery with competent operators -> i.e. better compensated operators...
And thanks for giving some insight about Korea! I'll ask my last (and very stupid) question: based on your experiences and what you heard from older generations, would you say that your parents' generation was happier despite grueling working conditions?
Be beautiful, don't age, study very hard, work like two people in one, we will judge you on everything. Oh, you don;t want to have babies? Don't want more stress in your life? Really? Why?
some people really like more unnecessary stress, so they reproduce.
@@UnlimitlesslyFunnyDude its stressful to not reproduce because you failed as a human being so your mind will continue to punish you forever
I've watched many of these as I've lived in Korea for 15 years and this video missed many things. Money is part of the problem, not the main issue, but if you interview people on the street they will give that as a simple answer. Family systems are still very conservative and younger women especially do not want to get trapped in the older generations idea of family.
Having children is a career ender or at least a huge career setback for most women here, the women I know who took 1 year off after giving birth were treated very poorly by their companies when they returned and for men it's mostly unthinkable. If they choose to become a housewife then they are completely reliant on their husband for the rest of their lives and the husband also has the burden of having to be the sole money earner for the rest of his life too. If they get divorced or their husband loses his job then it's basically game over.
Other factors I've noticed:
- Lack of high quality flexible or part-time jobs as people have to choose full time very long hours in the office or high school wage part time jobs. There are almost no opportunities for housewives coming back to work.
- Older/younger generation extreme culture gap. Multi-generational support for raising children is much less common and also more difficult due to the generation gap. It also just causes a lot of stress/conflict for many people here.
- Poor mental health care, high stress lives and very high depression/suicide rates.
- Culture change no longer seeing marriage and children as an outright necessity.
- Education system is literal hell and young people don't want their kids to experience that.
- Korea transitioning from a very patriarchal society causing a lot of tension between men and women.
- Extremely competitive society where appearance/job/money are highly valued.
- Housing affordability, especially in Seoul.
Basically you have to really, really want to have kids to overcome all the challenges of having children in Korea.
@Garrus Vakarian oh dam, I did not know it was a national effort, yea lets just use the women as tools to produce more kids !!! no hard feelings, its all for nationalism. how patriotic! bravo!
@@garrusvakarian8709 in that case you'd have to make the government pay the mother a salary then, equivalent to what she was making before she had to cut her career short. Check the housing prices in korea, they are sky high right now. Both parents have to work to be able to afford a house and other daily necessities, there just isn't enough money left over for a kid, let alone 2 or 3
@@ironboy3245or we go back to the old days when one income could afford to raise your family that was before women was allowed to work and have careers. If we remove women from the work force it causes a labour shortage and forces corporation to pay higher salaries. Government spending will only make the problem worse.
Math is simple right? Half the population stops working. The men has to do more work but will get the women’s salary plus his own. Women can stay home and have kids and care for the family. That’s how my grand parents have 5 kids but my parents only had me. And I have no kids lol
@@acz88 good luck with getting that to work, tell me in a few months how that ends for you
@@ironboy3245 bs....if you choose lavish lifestyle and urban area yeah it's expensive...there's many reliable options housing in Korea ....
it's not a money problem, its a culture problem. The young generation have been told their entire lives that their career and work is #1, just look at the number of hours per week that the average korean or japanese person works. who would have time to raise kids?!? South korea government needs to implement policies to change the culture, not just throw money at the problem.
Totally right
South korean government will not be able to undo the brainwash and narrow minded of young koreans.
Getting pregnant is basically a setback for a woman looking to move up in the corporate world. I got sick from COVID three times and had to take time off for about a month each time. That was bad enough, imagine being pregnant a few times. Women need to stay at home and men need to be at work.
But it is a money problem. After all, the reason why people work so many hours per week is because everything IS EXPENSIVE.
Otherwise, if $10/hr actually is enough to provide a family of 4, there’s no reason to work that many hours per week and instead they will allocate those hours into raising their kids.
@@dickriggles942one more reason is misogyny. Why would any sane person would want to being a female child in a female foeticide fanatic world. I hope indian women become like korean women
One simply cannot forget about the toxic work culture and education system when you talk about these things in 🇰🇷🇯🇵
Totally it's just a symptom of a broken system . If people were happy and relaxed, had a good work / life balance supported by government children would naturally come.
NO TOXIC WORK CULTURE ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD?
Capitalism is showing its weaknesses in many ways now, outrageous rent and housing costs, ultra-stressful work life, the obsession with getting women to work and be "equal" with men just to save money on labor, obsession with immigration to ignore birth rate issues, corrupt media which encourages and glorifies being young forever over reality, which is having kids and raising a family, and also glorifies wealth, makes people afraid to meet strangers.
The SJWs cheering on immigration laughably don't realize that the immigrants they want to let in probably will not share their values. A lot of them are dumb kids.
@@andresmattos7541 NO NOWHERE IN THE WORLD
@Lars Stougaard in the US also is very competitive to get into ivy league universities and here they don't complain ot kill themselves. Young Koreans just want money and me me me me.
I believe not everyone deserves to be a parent. Children should be only born to parents who truly want them and are ready for them. Not because it’s the time or what society wants.
can koreans stop making stupid excuses like uuh no money no house etc and just freakin have a baby? like foreigners
Have sex with some animals.
True.
If you look closely at what and who influences the youth of South Korea, you will realise it s all about responsibility.
There s been a RAPID westernization in S.K. Hook up culture, independence and no religious rules have resulted to the rise of mortality. "Oh I dont actually have money" if people could just know how to spend the money wisely, noone would ever have financial problems again.
And if the culture did not promote only career and self dependence, but also family, which can bring so many benefits in the long run, nothing would collapse this fast.
I am sad it s going like this but I guess it s God s will...
Well said 💯
Wow your ancestors were out there fighting tigers bears. Going to war. Stressing their life.
To protect their descendants and offer them a good life
And you you out there in this very easy secure society compared to past generations. Not making descendants!
Cause apparently you think you gonna be a immortal 25 years old for ever. And that doctor will cure any health problem you have for centuries. So can keep having the party lazy lifestyle 😆
Youre gonna be a old grandpa/grandma looking personn in 50 years. Make descendants. Replicate your dna. Pass your dna. That the only thing thats immortal you have your dna
Dammmm man you want to live for what? To follow netflix tv shows, tiktoks and eat restaurents. That the goal of life for you
Your 2 goals in life of all animals. is survive in health and make descendants. Dont be fooled by what society tell you
Similar thing is happening in the Netherlands. Cost of living and daily expenses are getting higher everyday and above all that, the whole country is experiencing a shortage of housing due to nitrogen regulations and climate change. In combination with all of the crises it’s getting more and more difficult for the younger generation to develop and have children.
I think that worrying about the future is a global thing. Everybody is getting more scared. The government and the choices that are being made on that level prevents the population to develop.
Agree, as a Dutch expat I wanted to return back to the Netherlands. It didn't work. I just can't afford the housing there( as a single person )So I have to stay in Asia. It's insane.
Plus the immigrants are a giant problem.
A lot of dutch women don't feel safe outside of their home.
And young women learn about the reality of motherhood from older women. It's so not worth ir
Education in Korea is a significant factor for youngsters not wanting to have children. It is not only the cost of schools but even academies and universities. Since these people have already gone through this, they are unwilling to face it again. Grades play a considerable role in Asia.
This is what they say as an excuse not to have children. Korea is the 10th richest country but they say cannot afford stupid tuitions while in 2022 alone young koreans spent.16. Billion US DOLLARS IN LIXURY IMPORTS? LOL
@Andres Mattos there are different types and classes of people in Korea. Just because it is the 10th largest economy, it doesn't mean that all the people in Korea are rich.
The same logic goes with other East Asian countries.
@PRANEETH so if not everyone is rich in Korea how come I. 2022 alone young koreans spent 16 billion dollars in lixury imports such as gucci and.prada and they.complain have no money for diapers or milk or stupid tuition? You make no sense are and just regurgitating what the korean social media says. In mich poorer countries people can't afford basic tuitions and are having 10 times more children.
@@andresmattos7541 America has the largest economy in the world. Do you think every American is rich?
@@andresmattos7541 First of all, Korea is definetely not the 10th richest country in the world. It's their overall GDP ranked the 10th not the net worth of their citizens nor is their average purchasing power. And being a kid in China/Japan/Korea means you have to suffer from millions of exams and extraordinary amount of pressure. Younger Gen in Korea has gone through these and I am sure they don't want their kids to experience what they have gone through.
I am korean, I live in korea. I also lived in 3 different countries. Living in Korea is not that hard, in fact, life is the easiest among the countries I lived in. People here want to live in expensive cities and have a semi luxurious life. They are willing to give up having a family than give up their goals of achieving some level of status. It's not a money problem. It's a mindset problem.
@Pixel Yes it may be a mindset among the young Koreans striving to achieve some financial goals first even with this global economic downturn. I have seen other CZcams videos of Koreans in financial debt and the competitive nature to get into top colleges and good paying jobs. I have seen other YT Koreans moving to other SE countries like Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines and do their CZcams channels. I am sure you already know many who want to join them and emigrate away from Korea
FINALLY A KOREAM WHO HAS COMMON SENSE.
Not a Korean but from this video, it seems you’re right
Actually this population crisis (with lack of babies) is mainly faced by ORIENTAL countries like Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan, Japan, South Korea and China because of their culture which focuses on career and chase money first. while settling down is not so important because it is very costly to do so e.g. expensive housing , children expenses etc
@@jameslim3850 Western nations birthrate is also falling. It's just covered up by immigration.
I was an elementary student in Seoul. There were 70 to 80 students in a classroom. Nowadays, my daughter's classroom, which is the same age as mine was, has 12 to 15 students.
more schools?
Small classes are great.
@@msdadsfsx The number of elementary schools began to decrease gradually, even in Seoul.
@@CordeliaWagnernot good for socialising
Good now school will able to indoctrinate less children and will produce less wage slave.
If you're childhood is as horrific as the average SK kid with day schools, followed by night schools....I can understand why you don't want to have kids as adults. 1. You want to finally feel free to live your life as you want. 2. You don't want to put a kid through the same torture you went through.
There were times when people used to work day and night and still not have enough to eat or even fresh water to drink? What torture are we talking abt?
@Nikesh977 When was this? Where?
@@Nikesh977 Oh so since other people were sick i have to be sick too?
@@Nikesh977😂😂😂 so continue the torture? What was the point of your comment?
@@antinatalistwitch111 The point of my comment is 'life is hard' is not a valid reason to not have babies. SK has gone thru worse in the past, still they were confident enough to have children.
It is going to be crazy watching major countries like China, Brazil, India, and Bangladesh lose millions of people in the future. Bangladesh has one of the sharpest birthrate declines in the world. They were having 7 babies per woman in the 1970s and now it is 1.8 births. Mainly because so many young single men went to work in Gulf countries and live in Male Only Labour Camps, and so many young women started working long hours in garment factories. So young people never had a chance to meet up and procreate. This process will probably worsen and spread to India and Pakistan as more young men leave for the Gulf states to work.
Birth rate decline will never be a major problem in Islamic countries as they have a higher fertility rate due to religious reasons.
In India, on average Muslims have 3 kids per woman. It is less than 2 kids per woman for all the other religions in India.
Also, Islam allows 4 wives per husband, therefore ultra conservative Muslims tend to have >5 children.
So you think the solution is for Earth to produce over 100 billion population?
That’s not it. Overpopulation is a problem.
@@a792006 it already is in many islamic countries.
Bangladesh, Iran, and soon Saudi Arabia (they dropped from more than 7 babies to less than 2.5)
Brazil is doing good until 2050, after that things are gonna become problematic. The birth rate is not that low yet.
India continues growing. Major problems for them because of it.
As a korean I don't think that this is a money problem. The family values of the old days have been replaced by the hyper charged materialistic and me first culture. Else, how do you explain people with enough money choosing not to have babies. Prime example? The "first couple" who are childless. Enough said~~
@Devil's Logic NAH ITS CALLED BRAINWASH INTO SELFISHNESS AND CANCER OF FEMINISM, USA IS CAPITALIST AND HAVING MUCH MORE CHILDREN
@Devil's Logic what do u mean???
Feminism.
@@oranebrown2169 That has nothing to do with the video.
@@joshua2870 the subjugation of all females is the only thing that can save western and eastern societies, but of course you would need real males to do so, sadly both society are filled with effeminate man child, both society are on their last legs, thank God, God riddance.
I guess when they say its too expensive to have a child they also refer to the fact that ones a child is born my fun time is over.
As a Korean I just see this as a natural phenomenon. Did you know that South Korea has highest population density in OECD countries? and half of that population is living in Seoul metropolitan area? The tragic recent crowd surge that killed 160 people was not a coincidence. I myself feel that there are just too many people in Seoul whenever I go to wherever the places. Plus, my generation had to go through incredible competition at schools and job markets thanks to high population. I personally studied at high school until 11pm along with my classmates. I feel that after getting a job, I finally am free and living my own life. Many people don't want to become obliged again. I would have to work my ass off to afford education and housing for my family. At least thats what I have seen my parents do their whole life. About the education part, of course we do have a choice not to send our kids to expensive private academies or English kindergartens. However, probably because of high pop. density, it's so hard to ignore other people. We feel obliged to do whatever others are doing and keep up to the 국룰'National Standard' that have been set by the society. We care too much about what others do. Thus binding each other😅
Why did the government not act? As far as I know, the learning pressure in China and Japan is not as great. In fact, even I know that banning education capitalization and banning school district housing can effectively alleviate the problems of excessive competition and monopoly of educational resources. The government should at least allow children to have a relaxed childhood
@@xinyuhung4261Well government represents will of people and they don't want to ban those. Thinking their children will surpass others within current system. That kind of policy is often being targeted as communism. The word is used as sort of magical weapon in Korean politics. I honestly think Koreans think of politics as a type of sport supporting their initial team rather than the process of running a country. This is all intended by politicians.
Thanks for the lesson. We foreigners need to see this phenomenon from another point of view. Thank you for providing that.
people don't need to stay in seoul but it's marketed heavily as the place to be for such and such opportunities and status.
I agree with you. Still totally we have increasing number of people in the world. It is getting harder to get a high quality of life today. There are many countries in Asia suffer from a large number of population. I could not understand why they highlight the falling birth rate in Korea and Japan but forget to highlight a huge population growth in Africa and other parts of Asia.
once a korean dude told me, he would adopt a dog rather than having a baby.
Wow! That's actually not surprising
Yeah I heard a dude even say he rather eat a hotdogs 🌭 that make a baby 👶
Same as me 😊💁
Dogs are cute. Kids are annoying. Like a mosquito they cry and cry
Yes normal... horrible system where they make people feel they have to compete to be the best
@@YG-mc9fq completely wrong
Kids are gonna cry ofc but they are never annoying tho
But yes you should have enough resources to take care for them
As a Korean, if I have to pin point the #1 reason behind falling birthrate, it's the fact that getting married and having kid has become a trophy of success you can show off to other people, rather than finding a partner in your life.
Therefore, you either show off your fancy trophy with luxurious lifestyle, or you don't get one at all. Having a dusty and broken trophy is considered shameful and miserable, so people just don't get one at all, with excuses of "I'm working on getting a fancy one too."
Social media is definitely making things even worse, for Koreans. ☹
@@aim-for-greatn3z947 wdym?? Women truly are??🤡
@@hey_you. 🤡
@@fatwombat2611 lol still difficult.... soo I'll personally pass good luck though, a life of LESS responsibility is also blissful 😊
@@aim-for-greatn3z947 true, I was single once too and yes can still remember. Tbh life has been shit lately but if I had a chance to go back and decide to marry and start a family knowing what I know now I still would. Not all good experiences in life are care free and pleasurable. Regret and wasting time is the only thing we should be scared of.
Failed society .
It's not money problem, young generation in Korea spends so much on expensive, branded things to look good and doing costly surgeries. They are just giving excuses instead telling directly that they don't want children
I am from the Philippines. Poor people here don’t family plan and have low standards of living. But for me, I chose not to get married and have children because:
1. I have scoliosis and birth defect, I don’t want to pass them on to my children.
2. I have deformities, I cannot have romance.
3. Since I have deformities, I cannot work and get high income for me and my family.
4. High taxes, housing, prices of goods, traffic, corruption, competition, too much emphasis on physical appearance.
Me giving up family and children won’t make a dent on PH birth rate. Lot of low lives give birth and teen age HIV is even on the rise. This is a God forsaken country.
Philippines birthrate is already below the point of population replacement, so it will start dealing with problems like Korea too. A steady birthrate around 2.1 is needed.
@@julm7744 Philippines is crowded, it doesn't need replacent birthrate. In fact a lower population would lead to an increase in wages. There is a big difference between say a 1.8 birthrate and Korea's devastating .8 birthrate. Population decrease is okay and natural but not at Korean levels.
@@tunkytunky Well said 1.8 is not terrible, infact 1.8 is good for overpopulated nations. 0.8 is very bad.
하지만 대부분의 가난한 국가는 쓸모없는 애국심을 강요하기때문에 애국교육에 세뇌된 사람들이 나라를 이끌것입니다. 그리고 그끝은 한국, 유럽에 수많은 선진국가처럼 고령화로인한 저출산이 발생할거구요.
30-40 years later, this will happen in India as well. Cost of living in cities is already too high and I don't know a single person living in a big city, who has two kids.
Don't worry, muslims have vision to dominate and will take over the world by population growth
They are too ignorant to just stop producing kids.
Back in the days, children were seen as an asset. Because by the age of three they are already working tending to crops and animals. But due to child labor laws, living in metropolitan areas, and society pressure, children are now seen as a liability rather than an asset
They've always been a liability though 😂
are you favoring child labor?
@@obey_forever_maethat’s not what they’re saying.
이게 맞다.
과거엔 인류의 진보로 기술을 개발했지만, 이제는 agi의 출현으로 인간의 두뇌가 쓸모없어질 가능성이높다. 영원한것은 없고, 미래에 인간이 멸망한다면, 그것은 로봇이 아닌 인간의 선택일수도있다.
Here in America I don’t understand how people do it yet they do it.
My cousins have 3-4 kids each. Hard workers, but we’re also Hispanic as we have a culture, tradition, family structure. When I see and hear stories of my friends it saddens me. It really does take a village to raise a kid, but even a single mother, the strength they have.. you will be amazed.
Yes, it is easier to make babies with cousins in America, they don't do that in Korea. 😅
@@jamesmichaeljean7840 i dont think he meant it like that lol... Thats just Alabama, they're wild.
@@jamesmichaeljean7840 smh 🤦♂️
@@jamesmichaeljean7840 America isn't only white people. And the white population is falling because they are lazy people who don't want children.
You say that like it's a good thing that hispanic have a culture of having a lot of kids. Having a lot of kids while not having enough money to properly raise them is even worse, that's how you get a lot of unemployment and poor. Why do you think latin america is a shithole? Poor people having lots of childrends.
Before you call me racist, I'm from south america.
You did great analysis. I am a Korean as you can see my name, but migrated to US in my teen and naturalized. The interviewers says it is expensive to raise a children in Korea because many ppl in Korea compare themselves to wealthier ppl. They need to be in Seoul, need to own a house, need to drive BMW or Mercedez, etc. But if t is not ecpensive to afford the basic needs. How many ppl in the world own a million dollar house when their 20s and 30s? But Koreans in Korea, they only look at others who are richer.
When I compare Koreans in NY/NJ, and now I am in TX, I would say most of them wants kids and i see many of them have 3, even 4.
The mindset is different. It was a great video.
If the incomes have gone up some 25% in the past 20 years after adjusting for inflation, that means they can afford 25% more than those 2 years ago. The inflation accounts the cost of living. The father was right - it’s that the current generation wants more. They want bigger houses, they want better cars, they want more travel. Nothing wrong with that but just pointing out it isn’t truly money as the difference between today and 20 years ago, it’s expectations of life that have changed
And yes, I’m agreeing with you. It’s a mindset. They make 25% more than their parents 20 years ago but they want more things. If the culture today was glamorizing family, then they wouldn’t want that huge house, the luxury lifestyle, etc that is preventing them from having children.
Very interesting, I appreciate you sharing!
Korea should invite them back and try to have them live in places other than Seoul. Italy did this with Italian Americans, they made effort to invite them to immigrate back. I think they were a little too late in inviting them back but most Korean Americans seem like they can speak the language still, many still have contacts in that country, etc etc. They just have to avoid getting into the over- competitive rat race and focus on other priorities and they could have a wonderful impact on that country.
SNS 문화가 너무 발달한탓이기도 하고 부모님들의 자식비교가 너무 극심한탓이기도 하죠
미국처럼 그래서 어쩌라고? 난 나야 하는 문화가 좀더 정착했으면 좋겠음
I think people are just feeling comfortable without having family. They like the idea of family but none of the trouble and burden. So they stay away from it.
Here in the PHL, we're also observing low birth rate as most youngsters are busy with their own lives and don't want to add burdens.
Sana ng eh. I'm just wondering why does the world give fuck about marriage and shit. There is a lot of problems to deal with right. Expensive ang wedding, house, etc etc. Added to that raising a kid is stressful.
@@markuchiha7737 while that is true, it is unsustainable in the long run. We need to have a healthy balance around population growth.
@@markuchiha7737 you wouldn’t wish for that to happen in PH if you know the consequences. SSS can go bankrupt without enough workers paying contributions. Most rely on SSS for their pension.
In order to sustain a society, parents will need to have at least 2.2 kids so the population will not decrease or increase over time due to birth and death rates. Having good immigration policies is helpful but won't be sustainable
The us has immigration and a birth rate below 2.1. No panic here
@@Worldaffairslover just increasing crime rates and culture conflicts
So you think that a country that is over 1 billion population is not too much and it needs to maintain that 1 billion?
No, I disagree. If a country’s population start to dip below several thousand individuals, it has a high chance of going instinct.
So, i believe overpopulation is a problem. There’s too many people and to reduce it is to provide SOCIAL SAFETY NETS.
Universal healthcare, education, invest in infrastructure. That’s how a poor country becomes a 1st world developed country.
Starting a family later, around age 30, is a good thing. And if you don’t want to start a family, then it is also a good thing.
@@Worldaffairslover immigration causes more problems than it solves. Just let the population drop, then they'll have to raise wages and people will be able to afford kids again. Also, having space is important. Asia is too crowded, it must affect them psychologically.
@@tunkytunky let it drop? The economy would feel a colossal recession
Meanwhile in Turkey, people have 3 kids and 438$ salary😆
My country , in fact locals are having less but refugees 5, 6
@@lonelylovely1176 that's why european countries take in refugees
In turkey one hundred dollar is a lot of money😂😂😂😂😂
I find it crazy that the most important reasons were not even mentioned in this video. First of all, there is growing movement in South Korea called the 4B's/4 No's, it's women that say no to dating men, marrying men, having intercourse with men and having children with men. The percentage of assault and domestic abuse is insanely high in South Korea and it is always glossed over in the media and their romantic KDrama's do not help. The society is also extremely conservative; women are expected to do literally all of the childcare, fathers do almost nothing. But with the cost of living, women also need to work. So they do all of the household work, childcare and still need to bring in income. On top of that, the wage gap between men and women is one of the largest in the world in South Korea.
There are also other things, like unmarried women not being allowed to have ivf or sperm donation. A famous celebrity there had to go over to Japan to get sperm donation, because South Korea refused it because she is not married.
When a society places so little value on women and makes their lives so hard, there is no reward in motherhood.
You are so right.
I keep reminding people that many young men prefer internet c0rn over real relationships, they might claim they want intimacy with a woman, but they have too many bizarre fetishes to every be "satisfied" with any one woman. They're not reliable partners at all, they can't be relied upon to be faithful, even for a few years' time.
This is spot on 👏🏼
You are right
The educated, hyperworkforce South Korea has, the hellish schooling every member of the youth fully remembers, the growing instability of living in Korea.
Emigration is salvation.
My father worked 16 hours a day for SAP, we were well off, he provided for 2 sons and his wife
he was offered a place by Samsung, worked his ass off to land a job outside of Korea, Australia.
He said that working in Korea is something no sane person should ever dedicate themselves to without the motive of escaping it.
This was 2012, imagine how it is a decade later.
Smoking was a coping mechanism, he smiled painfully when the 2 sons asked why we have the same food for a week straight.
You know why smoking is so prevalent in Korea? the quivering sighs after the puffs should tell you.
The birth rate is declining here in India too and most don't realise that. Unlike my parents generation most couples I know don't wanna have more than 1 kids. Even my maid tells me she and her husband is happy with one child cuz of an expensive private school cuz public schools are bad and colleges are getting expensive plus good health insurance is super expensive in India. Only two Northern states contribute to the large birth rate while birth rates are falling in the rest of the country.
Don't compare korea and India.
Wow, Kudos to your maid! That is exactly how it should be. Only have children if you are able to give them the very best in life. The so-called ruling classes are pure evil. They are constantly calling for people to have children with no consideration for the quality of life those children will have. They of course have only the best plans for their offspring. The best education, the best housing, basically no struggle. They shamelessly call for people to bring struggle into the world. No babies please unless high quality education like that enjoyed by the children of the rich, is available to all, as well as high quality housing, to enable the children to create wealth instead of just surviving please.
but not that low like in Brazil, is gonna take some time to become a problem, even in 2050 Brazil and India still gonna have a large young population.
Are you serious about India Buddy 140 crores people we are jam packed
I understand India has just overtaken China as the world's most populous country
Lol, I'm an Ethiopian and i have 6 siblings. We are 7 children, 9 family members if you included my parents.
And we are living a good life, we are happy
Right
and you're looking to migrate right? for better life? if you move to Europe, US, Japan or Korea, you have my bet that your future first world children will not want to have kids.
Maybe your parents are rich
@@adityasalunkhe1288 my father is an uneducated hard worker. He worked for 45 years, maybe that's the reason
Your mother is likely miserable
This is happening everywhere
I live in Korea and I am a father. It's not about it being expensive, in fact it's pretty cheap compared to other countries. The issue is that people just don't want kids and put a billion excuses instead of just saying they don't want them. Second, they add unnecessary expenses like after school programs and other useless things like our kid needs to wear X brand clothes and we need to own X brand car otherwise we'll be seen as "poor." It's a cultural issue that people paint as an economical issue. There are certainly issues with the economy and policies, but the mindset is a bigger issue than any of those.
Is liberalism to blame? Working women kill society. They should stay at home, cook and clean instead of working to pay useless taxes. A brainwashed population is more dangerous to its own welfare
@@whtfl get rid of them and it will be 1.2 to 1.6 is the most depressing thing i've ever heard
@@need-money-for-porsche It is silly to think a whole generation owes you grandchildren.
desagree about money, if gain in dollars yeah is cheap. But the salary in South Korea are not increasing, the prices of buying Houses, marrige, education are increasing the price. So is not balance. The superficial stuffs exits for sure in koreans mentaly, but money still a main issue.
@@need-money-for-porsche I agree that the absolute amount of money is a lame excuse but lack of future prospects is the real reason, and it does have a bit to do with money. My parents had big hopes for me and my siblings but all 3 of us are doing worse than my parents did financially, and we don't see the future as bright as they did in the 90s. Nowadays even they are scared of the future.
so, South Korean prosperity is an illusion. High GDP, high standard of living, but people say they can't afford to start a family and procreate.
Not gonna lie just thinking about the cost of raising a child scares me.
YOUNG KOREANS ARE SO SCARED OF RISING CHILD CARE COST THAT IN 2022 ALONE THEY SPENT MORE THAN 16 BILLION US DOLLARS IN LUXURY GOODS LIKE PRADA AND LOUI VUITTON HAND BAGS. LOL
More or less 1/3 or 1/4 of your monthly income to maintain for the first few years then what type of schools, and depending on if you want to add extra curriculums etc... that's why if you fan just move to a country that provides free education and healthcare if possible
Then become an engineer.
@@haruyanto8085, тем не менее, это всё равно лучше кота.
Bro u don't get enough views 😢 ur the most underated channel in CZcams
true
🙏 thanks so much for your support. Most of my views actually are on Facebook and TikTok but CZcams always gets the premiere :)
@@uptin 3:40 india nominal gdp 5th position please correct your mistake
@@uptin 4:38 please tell me where did you block this table 🙏
In the media, children are shown only as a burden, sleepless nights, money drains, having meltdowns in public spaces, getting bullied at school, etc. Good sides are barely shown at all. Some mom on social media show off their cute babies and toddlers but I think people look at them the same ways as cute pet videos, cute yes but so much work, not worth it. I've heard a substantial amount of women get some kind of baby fever in the age of around 26, but nowadays 26 yr olds have barely started their work-life, feels like they just started to actually have a salary and be able to buy something. Regardless, the age of 26 comes surprisingly quickly and many feel they're not ready and don't have enough money anyways, so the baby fever passes if there was any. At 35-40 they wake up and realize it's now or never, starting at that age, it's very likely it will be a one child family, not bad but far from that 2.1 desired average.
The problem in alot of urban areas is the size of housing and space. They did an experiment with mice and as space gets tighter they stop breeding and turn on each other
Uptins' videos are like National Geographic documentaries, well researched and professionally presented.
Yeah you're just spuing out numbers and stats. South Korea is not in a crisis and definitely doesn't need to increase their current birth rate.
No where near nat geo.
your standard is pathticaly low 🙄🙄
@@2GoodLookin abolish pensions because they will collapse without enough workers
Quality of Uptin's videos are getting excellent! keep it up 👍
Saw their work culture there and it's crazy, people being stuck in offices for hours churning out overworked adults in their prime with little time if any for socializing or Dating.
It’s a very very stressful society. Kids study from morning to night. Then they graduate and work from morning to night. No parent would want their kids to go through this…
In my country, people with income of about $200 a month or less usually have 3-4 kids each couple. I make a bit more than that and plans to have a family myself.
Regards from Indonesia 🇮🇩
your country is underdveloped.....Its only natural they have more kids
Miskin jangan punya anak...kalo gue jadi anak lue bakal gue sumpahin lu karena jadi anak miskin...😅😅😅
kuantitas berbanding terbalik dengan kualitas 🤣
You can make more than that with a part-time job at a supermarket in Korea.
Google is saying it's 2.19 births per woman. Maybe it's like America where some women have 3 and others have 0. But you are just right around replacement.
Women are saying no to a life of servitude to men & their families, abuse, & violence from men as well.
Don't forget the cancer of feminism is also a major factor in the abysmal low birth rate in Korea. Korean society was much more patriarchal in then60s but they were having x6 times more children.
@@andresmattos7541 Thank God Korea isn't a hell hole now
Men also have a life of servitude to women & their families. For example computer programmers, construction workers, electricians, plumbers, scientists. Who needs to make the money? It's all the father's part as well. Men also deal with a lot of abuse and violence too.
@@konstantinrebrov675but mainly from other men and rarely women.
well said 👍
日本の九州地方に住んでいますが人口でいえば第2でも第3の都市でもないのに、若者のエネルギーを感じます。韓国の地方都市で、このような印象を持ったことは正直一度もなかった、そもそも子供をほとんど見かけない。日本には地方にも核となる都市があり、そこに住んで働きたいと思う若者たちがいるからでしょうか。出生率は東京は1.2だけど九州・沖縄（1500万人）なら全体で平均1.7程度、東京を除く首都圏でも1.4程度でした。
絶望的な話になりますが韓国で今後1.0以上は厳しいと思います。
合計特殊出生率の定義は「15 歳から 49 歳までの女性の年齢別出生率を合計した もの」ですから産めない方や独身の方なども含まれます。日本では2016年（出生率：1.44）に統計調査を実施しました。全国で夫婦間の子どもが1人という家庭は18.6%、2人は54.0%、3人は17.9%、4人以上は3.3%という統計になりました。日本は夫婦間で平均値2人以上出産してるんです。そして夫婦は絶対に2人以上出産しないと出生率1.0以上は難しいことを示しています。しかし韓国では2～3人の子供を育てることは不可能でしょう、狭いアパートで複数の子供が走り回ることは想像できないです。日本のように大多数が郊外に一軒家、ミニバンとコンパクトカー2台、子供は2～3人、通勤は電車、休日は郊外のショッピングモールとはいかないのでしょうね。（日本は住宅面積が広く欧米と同程度）それでも移民を受け入れないことを考えても1.4程度を出すのが限界でしょう。
韓国と日本では比較ができないでしょう。高齢社会（人口比率14％以上）を超えたとき日本の出生率は1.5でしたし、出生数は年間120万人でした。韓国は2018年に超えましたが出生率は日本の半分です。もう韓国に地方都市はありません。
実は人口全体で見ても新生児の割合は韓国より日本のほうが高いんですよ。5100万人で新生児25万人、1億2500万人で新生児85万人ですから。
日本の劣化版が韓国です。
本当おっしゃる通りです。
日本では一極集中が進行中といえども、東京以外の大都市には日本を代表する企業の本社や大きな拠点があったりします。
例えば大阪はパナソニック、ダイハツ、ダイキン等々、京都は任天堂、ワコール等々。広島にはマツダやアメリカの大手半導体メーカーの日本本社等々。。
なので若い人には「東京に行かない選択肢」がある。ただ韓国ではある程度、質の良い仕事はほとんどソウルなので行きたくなくても、行かざるを得ない。これが更なる競争や住宅価格の高騰につながってるでしょうね。
あとみんながやることは自分もやらねばならない、といった同調圧力が日本の比にならない。
When a country become rich, it's young population don't want to have kids anymore, having kids is a old conservative traditions in every part of the world. Instead young people want to enjoy life with the money that they are earning. Also demands of relationship and responsibilities of bringing up kids becomes a boogyman for youth. It's not just Korea by the way. Even in USA, it's migration from Africa and middle east who are technically conservative people are having kids. White people with rich background are not having kids or getting married. So Americans also have this same problem, it's just hiding in the plain sights because of immigration in USA.
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South Korea is far richer now than they were back in the 80s. It is not about money. The answer is simple. Children under 70s and its industry were assets while they are considered liabilities nowdays. Society and industry changes as well as the culture. South Korea ia under the fastest industrial transformation and people are just adopting to that. The world population will begin to fall all together eventually.
South Korea's suicide rate being the highest in the OECD and slightly moving higher also isn't a good sign for their population.
It's like this all over the world not just in South Korea
Women choose freedom and happyness instead of 24/7 work and misery.
You mean egoïsm and "freedom" is working 40 hours as a slave for an underpayed job.
Canada saw this problem coming so they opened the door to mass migration 😂😂
Now they have another kind of problem. Oups!
@@GainsGoblin the
punjabi and muslim problem
oh yeah totally a “problem”
You people and your racist attitudes. Everyone gets along in Canada. Canada was built on immigration so get over it.
Canada just exchanged one small problem for a much much bigger problem.
@@GainsGoblin khalistanis
This is huge problem .
But this problems is not only south korea .
Also Japan 🇯🇵. China and another western countries have same problems like this .
South Korea's population should decline. This country is overpopulated.
It is more than 500 people per square kilometer. World average is 60.
USA has 35.
Sweden 23, Norway 17, Finland 16, Russia 8 and Canada 4.
A population density of 100 or 200 seems fine, but more than 500? Way too many people. Too much competition.
Its not about money!! Its about the commitment.. good to see Japan, china, Korea and Vietnam moving towards this!!
Yep, this is a culture issue, also a Goverment one. You need payable Kindergardens, payable living space for families and a children friendly culture. You also need a work culture who lets people have enough spare time to raise children and a career without having a burnout.
PS: Just throwing a little bit of money at it, will not solve this problem.
Many things needs to change on a social level. Many women with children are pressured to stop working either by the employers or family members. Also who wants to raise their children in such a toxic society where they aren't even allowed to be children? Class after class from early morning until midnight every single day. It's child abuse and torture, and I wouldn't want my children growing up in that unhealthy environment.
We had our son here and while the 700 dollars a month has been helpful. My wife was making much more when she was working.
Having a child in Korea is cheaper than US. In US it is MUCH more expensive. Lots of koreans dont need car for commute, healthcare is cheaper, monthly rent is hundred of dollars cheaper, in general I see koreans and east asians spend a lot of their money on luxury designer brands. Women simply want to be making money and not spending it on baby or having to stay at home to care for babies or have to spend money on childcare.
I get it in a way. But its not that expensive to live in SK. I think its more about not wanting the stress of not having more money which compels many to not want to essentially waste their time on raising a child. Raising a child means unpaid labor and childcare basically since thats what often happens with having a kid, you arent paid a full time wage like a job. When developed societies are used to a higher standard of living versus under developed countries, they rather maintain their lifestyle than focus on kids.
I believe the attitude with having babies are different for Koreans. I was on a long flight with Korean airlines coming back overseas with my Vietnamese wife. Our 13 month old son kept crying every 2 hours or so and I’ve tired my best to keep him quiet. Unfortunately 6 young adult Korean passengers complained about our baby to the fight attendant. Fortunately the couple next to us from the states were very supportive.
When we finally landed on to our connecting flight in Korea I needed hot water for the baby milk powder and no place was open in the airport at 11pm except for this small coffee shop. I waited in line and asked the barista while holding an empty baby bottle for hot water and offered to pay. He looked at me angrily and said “NO HOT WATER HERE”.
I was shocked to see how rude this person was. I walked back to find my Vietnamese wife and she said that’s okay. If this person had kids they would understand, but they don’t.
In Vietnam everyone I’ve met love seeing children and encourages raising a family house hold with kids. But I’ve noticed in developed countries family and children are not a priority. As a father I get treated as an annoyance with my one child.
This may not represent all Koreans but that was the attitude I got with my baby.
I believe it's not entirely because of the child.. I got yelled at in korea for taking too much time window shopping without buying anything as well lol
you expect people to treat you differently because you have a kid? This is the era of equality, self-improvement, me-time, rules, law & order. Dude can't break protocol to give you hot water, CCTV & big brother is watching him. It will get worse until it gets better.😅
@@NoctLightCloud of course little child needs to be taken extra care of, you can never treat an infant the as equal as if you're dealing with an adult, and this is not just the responsibility of the parents, but the whole society. for people who follow protocol and losing humanity is the most pathetic thing ever
@@nicolewang6642 First, my comment was sarcasm. Second, society doesn't care anymore about kids, only about $$$, €€€, and £££. Status and quick adrenaline rushes.
western men can't keep their willy on their pants 🙄 ofc you want babies
Another top notch documentary Uptin! Keep it up!
Supportive grand parents are the key. They will research this for years to come to come to this very conclusion.
This is happening in China too, east Asia countries culture is similar, the average people chasing the stress free life, have no baby, that’s why our country birth rate declined too, even our country made some policies push birth rates, it doesn’t work, high real estate price and the costs of living made people you know, they don’t want to have a baby, they even don’t want to get merry, just live a life with lower desire and lower expenses
Life is struggle. Living is suffering. Everything needs money. Why a sane person would want a newborn to be the next slave in the grinder is beyond me.
Well said!
Lol Korean women in the 1950s were having 5 kids each after being in a war torn country... it's definitely not about struggling
Period point blank
It is not JUST about money that is preventing people
from getting married and having babies. It's only part of
the bigger equations. Here are other factors that play a role in this.
1. Cost
2. Freedom
3. Individualism
4. Stressful living environment
5. Education in Korea is really stressful
6. Bullying
7. Cultural changes
8. Korea is a very depressing country overall
9. Selfishness
10. There seems to be a lot of hatred and anger toward people in Korea in general
for many reasons. A lot of social problems!!
People d'ont really want to say it but i think capitalism and consumerism play a huge role in that. A lot of nordic countries have better system than S.Korea but still struggle with low birthrate. For me, everything in your list is kind of linked.
About education I think they are not smart enough. Why? Because they forget basic principle of biology about living beings.
Sure your math and chemistry can make you wealthy, but how about biology guys?
include plastic surgery costs, many koreans aren't happy of who they are.
Also it seems like they r really depressed ppl the sucide rates r horrific
So people who live in the third world are so happy about their life? they have freedom? and less stressful living invironment compares to western countries? so that's why they have higher birth late than the first countries? lol
and Bullying is not a big issue in SK, the only reason why you guys think we have serious bullying issue is because of the media, SK medias always report when there is a new bullying case, according to the OECD research, SK has the lowest bullying rates among the OECD nations.
700 dollars a month govt subsidy is just the first year after the baby is born. Some rural municipalities might pay more but at least for someone living in Seoul, I was paid 700$ per month only until the 1st bday of my child
In fact, the cost of living in South Korea is not that high as western European and NA countries except for housing price in Seoul. But all couples wanna start their marriage life in that city. People in interviews keep saying having a baby is expensive but it is not true at all. Koreans do not have babies because they suffer from cultural transition and shock of low economic growth rate which their parent generation experienced. Plus, East Asian people generally do not really know how to find the life virtues in human relationships.
Blame their toxic emphasis on getting an education and working for the man at all costs, they’re reaping what they sow
Im white Australian and i plan on having kids later because i want to build cashflow before becoming a parent. i dont know if that is going to be in a relationship or not. Having a child is not an obligation, its a hobby. In order to be a good parent you will be spending a few million these days to bring a child up and its just getting more expensive and that amount doesnt even cover the cost of wages lost due to time off work.
The work cultures here can be supportive towards parents. its not great but its a hell of a lot better than Japan or south Korea of which have some of the most toxic work forces in the world. Cost of childcare is a huge factor here and ive heard it is as well for south Korea and japan. The cost of putting your child into childcare is so expensive that parents have to honestly consider if its even worth going back to work. Careers are so competitive in South Korea and Japan that women will not risk taking time off to raise a family because it will ruin their ability to return to their job. Furthermore, the level of sexism in these countries is still decades behind western countries. Women are seen as the traditional housewives of the 50's and are expected to do all of the housework by themselves and make sure they are feeding their husbands. As a result after getting married many women end up cutting back on their hours at work or leave work completely to live on the one income for the family (both due to outdated views on daily dynamics and the sexism at work).
This has been my general observation of watching a lot of content from Korean and Japanese youtubers over the last 10 years. I dont know how accurate it is but that is what i have gleamed. I used to dream of living in either Japan or South Korea but i have decided that my values do not align with most people who live in these countries and i would likely find it very difficult to live there.
Another with me me me disease
Damn, you are selfish.
@@andresmattos7541 shut up
As usual, high-quality professional journalism from Uptin! It would be great if you could break the video into different parts, just like CNBC.
i hope that you're bing sarcastic. that is truly terrible journalism. You know... just like CNBC :)
I thought the situation is the same as Singapore - High property price and cost of livings here. Career comes first so many young couples settle down late because you need to be financial stable to pay your mortgage and bills before even thinking of having your own kids...
Everytime I see a video on this subject, I wonder how long we are just going to skip over the subject. The children that were born, adopted and brought to foreign countries. We are not talking about small numbers.
And of course support for single mothers another subject that is usually not spoken about.
It is such a complex problem.
This is just touching the surface.
Right, the adoptees, and the tons of Korean immigrants and their first generation kids living here. The Korean government should be making great efforts to have them return to Korea and yet there seems to be none whatsoever.
I am a early 2000s born native here and at least back in 2018 even in Seoul i didn't see that much of old people but now in 2023 whenever i commute to work by subway I am the youngest person wherever i go. Also even as someone born and raised throughout their childhood I will never want my kid to have a childhood here. That's how tough early life (highschool) here is so I say so.
Mybe move to a more modest city. Life can be beautiful there also. Happiness comes from family and friends and those we have anywhere we are. Always we can choose to live happily or not, unless there's war, disease or such. Not living in a big city or not having the best of the best isn't reason for unhappiness
My mother had 5 children. My mother in law had 9 children. Today I have 2 kids, though I wish to have more. Population decline is a serious threat.
Back in the day when majority of the working class (peasants) owned and worked on farms the fertility rate was high because children were seen as assets as they could help with on farm from a very young age. In the modern age children are seen as serious liabilities, having to go through 22, years of school just to start becoming self sufficient, this there is no incentive to having children. The solution is that the government needs to compensate mothers / provide incentive
THE KOREAN GOV HAS SPENT BILLIONS AND BILLIONS INTO COMPENSATION WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT MILLIONN DOLLAR FOR ALL MOTHERS A MERCEDES AND A FREE LUXURY HOUSE? LOL
@@andresmattos7541 they are the ones that want women to have kids so I guess lol. They gotta do what it takes
I don't think people thought that much about populating their private farm's workforce lol
I think they just banged without birth control
Government: Have more kids!
Citizens: It's too expensive.
Government: Here's some money. Make babies.
Citizens: It's not enough. We can barely house ourselves.
Government: WHY ISN'T THE POPULATION RISING?!
Motherhood and wives have been taken for granted. It is a very important J-O-B. Should be paid or compensated in some way. 😒
Social media is causing people to have higher standards, which makes them more competitive in school and workforce to outwork each other, this causes everyone to try to move to the big cities to get the best resources, which raises housing cost and cost of living, and finally the people who do not make it to the top gives up on having a family because they don’t get paid enough.
I guarantee you the people who make it to the top is not complaining about having children.
@tt756 The population HAS to turn around at SOME point. DELAYING that point only DELAYS when old people outnumber the young and only INCREASES the population differential between old vs young.
So you either suck it up and FACE the hardship SOONER, NOW, when it is SMALLER,
or procrastinate and make it WORSE.
Don’t forget education is very competitive, different from the west, they go to school before school and they go to school after school finish, so they can get into top universities. Not to mention they work the most hours in any 1st world countries. Not a good environment to nourish a family life balance.
EDUCATION IS VERY COMPETITIVE IN THE US AND THEY ARE HAVING MUCH MUCH MORE CHILDREN.
work work work then die and leave it all behind. how wonderful to live. complete JOKE
@@andresmattos7541 its not as bad as South Korea. In America you can be successful even if you don't go to University and it's more accepted. South Korea is a bit extreme
They should've reduce the cost of education and daycare instead of throwing money to each household.
People don't really understand how much it really costs to raise kids in Korea; probably the highest in the world due to the 'after school' culture. You see, in Korea if you don't send your kids to after school academies they will never be able to enter the top Universities, or even decent Universities. It's not an option. In America, if your kid is really smart that child will probably end up getting scholarships and even money from the government if their household is poor. So you can still make it if you're really smart but poor. That's not the case in Korea. If you don't send your kids to academies they have next to zero chances of getting into any top universities and in Korea your university dictates your whole future. It's not like in America where you can get your act together in your mid-20s, bounce back and go back to school and make a career. In korea, it all comes down to that University entry exam during high school. I heard the average amount a Korean household spends on their kids' education before even getting into a university is around 200k.
Can they have home school in Korea, and learn everything for free from Khan Academy?
@@konstantinrebrov675 Here is why it's next to impossible to home school. The main purpose of going to top academies is because those academies have all the information necessary for the students to get top grades to be able to accepted to the top universities. You cannot get this information anywhere else and mothers never share this information with anyone, not even with their close friends. Even getting into an ok University in Seoul is super hard, people do not understand how hard the university entry exam is. The university you go to in Korea dictates the rest of your career life; there are no do-overs after you get older. I think you can take the exam a maximum of 3 times, once per year something like that. Home schooling will not be viable because this exam is based on how much you memorize and the information you need to memorize is mainly owned by the academies. The whole system in Korea was setup this way.
they need to change their mindset which is about “success is not all about “ getting into top unis or getting high paid jobs” … this is what they need.
The problem with low population runs deeper. Before fixing this issue, they need to work on decreasing their reliance on big conglomerates, creating new cultural standards (ie education, social status, values rooted in Confucianism), and building new cities. Things in SK are so concentrated. 50 percent of population lives in Seoul. Everyone wants to go to the same three universities. Everyone wants the same jobs. The conglomerates make up most of their economy. Only a few people will succeed as social mobility becomes harder and the top becomes narrower. There’s so much pressure early on to succeed and this makes life harder, especially for young kids. They’ve dug a deep hole that’s hard to get out of. It worked miracles for them to rebuild their war torn country and pushed them on the global stage but to have a greater future they will need to do the hard and difficult work to set up the next generation and beyond.
You can't undo that society has become more honest about the downsides of being a parent.
Especially mothers open up about the reality of motherhood. And young women don't want to be stressed and miserable.
@@CordeliaWagnerRight . It is all about women. They don t wanna children for reasonable reasons
Exactly they need to spread out and get people to invest in areas other than Seoul
All countries have their own unique set of problems. How do we as societies learn from each other?
Majority of developed first world countries have either low population or having a low birth rate. Meanwhile, in majority of poor, third world countries where there aren't even basic facilities, the populations are exploding.
People in developing countries are so stupid because they are not educated that they don't think how big a crisis childbirth can be.
Outliers like
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Had all fertility rates above 2,0 in 2023
It's South Korea, not Korea.
Stop competitive education system.
This is definitley a culture problem, happening here in the US with dating and having a more individualistic lifestyle. Not having a family oriented culture or at least a very large portion of it is gonna end with results like this. Culture is gonna stick to your head always, the government simply paying you to have a kid than a genuine desire to want kids will last longer than this short-cut approach. Am curious if this issue will be resolved in the next coming years for South Korea.
Selfishness is called culture now?
@@andresmattos7541 yes, some of americans are perfectly fine with being bums and are completely irresponsible. Think about all the freaks who consume drugs, gamble their money away, and other various unhealthy matters but still have kids because they fuck too much and don't pull out. You'll see that it's usually the trashy people who have kids despite any sort of odds against them.
They'll probably start growing children in machines
No such bullshit as "culture". All that exist are individuals either CHOOSING to do something or not do something, which includes CHOOSING or NOT choosing to pressure or force somebody else to do something or not do something. But, it ALL REDUCES still to INDIVIDUALS being responsible for their actions.
The reasoning is flawed: a population decline is believed to be beneficial as AI replaces most jobs. With AI advancement, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, and Italy are in a favorable position due to their declining populations.
The comment was created by ChatGPT.
Why do people post this nonsense?
@@whtfl what you described is a ponzi scheme.
@@heavenknowsimmiserablenow14 Then ChatGPT is a much better thinker than most people.
Yes, but this scary low. Tend to disagree that we need "2.1" I get its a replacement number but I think anything below 1.6 is like a red light a full stop we have to grow were as 1.6 to 1.9 is like yellow light caution and green light is 2.0 to 2.3.
But those are just my opinions.
700 dollar to get pregnant is a nice allowance per month. Koreans just don't want to be bothered with making babies.
When people couldn't fulfil their biological needs outside marriage that time marriage was no #1 priority in their life but now people don't need to get married to fulfil their biological needs. Money isn't a problem.
I keep saying, many young men prefer their internet corn and associated fetishes over any human relationships. If they manage to have a relationship, they let it go stale because they chase the high they get off their screens... or if they get dates, the dates never live up to their corn-inspired fantasies. Reminds me of when women in the US used to be addicted to soap operas and would develop unrealistic expectations for their boyfriends, but on testosterone and ramped up 10000x. No woman wants to compete with a digital mistress. No woman can compete with technology that is designed to replace us.
Even though I live in Korea and have talked to so many people, this is by far the best video I have seen on this topic. You nailed it bro and got a sub! Keep it up man ~
bhai aap yha , so random. abhi apki video hi dekh rha tha
Money has been declining its purchasing power, so obviously the expenses' and the services increases overtime. Thanks to the central bank addiction to fiat currency. The parents need two jobs, or even extra job to meet the standard of living. Marriage, family and babies are the least options for the new Korean generations, yet the government are throwing money as if it can fixed the problem that the central planning of money policy caused in the first place. What I see, those Koreans with international mindset will leave and set up a new frontier in a foreign land and not tied to high costs nation.
Or maybe capitalism and exploitation is the problem. This is what happens when a country thinks that profits is more important than the PEOPLE.
The government needs to lay down social safety nets and then let the people decide what to do with their lives.
MLK jr said Socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the poor.
Well, let’s switch that: Socialism for the poor, rugged individualism for the capitalists.
Capitalism is a very serious problem.
The UK and USA now have extremely high costs of housing and massive inflation due to mass immigration which forces land and property values exponentially thus prices the young out of ever having a family.
@@alohatigers1199 Profits does not drive inflation, but monetary policy does.
The government distributed billions and billions of free money so that everyone have the money to spend, it's called inflation. It's called redistribution of debt aka socialism of money.
The government policy of distribution of wealth is through inflation, an expansion of money. I thought everyone loves free money.
An individual that has money does not print money nor has the authority to print billions and billions of money.
The consequence of printing too much money is inflation, then extreme inflation. As it goes, inflation is a tax that was never legislate by the government. As they print money, the cheaper money loses its purchasing power.
You should study economics rather than a driven imaginary emotions of capitalism.
@@hasansheikh3680 Define capitalism or you had no clue what is capitalism. A central bank is part of communism. Inflation is actually a redistribution of free money for all, resulting equal purchases of surging prices.
Even at war people still have children, good point. It's not just about money
I am a single Korean man in mid 30s, never married, running my own business which I have invested all I have saved up to date, who does not own a house. I come from a more-than average household, having studied at private boarding schools in Canada since middle school, with my parents' home valued at roughly USD 2.5M(for less than 90 sqm) located in Gangnam. I am very glad that I found your video today because most if not all media today puts all the blame on the government instead of the cultural background.
The reason why Koreans refuse to give birth or even get married in the first place is a combination of multiple causes. I would admit that we Koreans have a very unhealthy mindset of life, hence Koreans also rank number one in the world for committing suicide.
Like I said, this is a combination of bad causes. Our parents' generation were the boomers straight after the war, which means they were born in a poor country and have experienced vast economic growth. During their times, overstepping your classmates for acquiring better education, working for well paid conglomerates, devoting your whole life for your family has proven right all the times and their kids, we in 30s and 40s, have grown up heavily under their influence. There were a small number of certain careers our parents' generation preferred their child to be working in, there was hefty competition between parents overshadowing each other to prove their wealthiness and this unfortunately is carried on to the next generation.
Speaking as a direct member of the 'aging singles', I can see so many of these aging singles, regardless of sex, set up excessively high hopes for their spouse. I assume this phenomenon derived from our parents' competition of displaying wealthiness during the strong economic growth but we Koreans always compare ourselves to others in what they have spent on and we Koreans simply cannot fall behind others. We Koreans somehow need to display that we are keeping up with others. I find this mindset EXTREMELY TOXIC. I could offer some generosity for some sort of expenditure but not when it comes to housing. I guess this is a common phenomenon in every other developed countries but housing has really gone out of hands in Korea for the past two decades. Because the soar in price of housing has never collapsed, our sick generation decided it is never too late to jump into this train to nowhere, deliberately draining more than half of monthly income for TENS OF YEARS to pay mortgage for an unnecessarily overpriced house. MANY aging singles here in Korea do not think it is adequate to start off a family in a lesser form of affordable housing than in an affluent modern condo because they don't want to lose in this stupid competition. On the other side, people who simply cannot afford that kind of mortgage fall into the state of desperation. These people, in most cases falling behind financially, decide to go on maintaining expenditure to keep up with other wealthier ones without saving a dime, worsening the declining marriage/birth rate.
In my case, I had two partners since my late 20s, dated each of them about 4 years with serious discussions over marriage. Both of the ladies did not want fluctuating income like how my business generates and they couldn't get along with my idea of taking chances of success, like how I have invested all my savings into setting up my business. They rather thought investing my savings into down payment for mortgage was a far better idea. Both ladies left me in hopes of finding someone making more 'rational' and 'stable' financial choices. How can every newly wed begin marriage in a luxury condo worth 1M? Is marriage a raffle or something?
Yes, I do agree with the young couple who instantly answered that the government aid at current level does not convince them to have babies. I too, consider it as a promotion to rob more tax off of our future kids. ALSO NO, injecting money into having kids is not going to solve this matter at its core. It's the morality of Koreans that needs to be changed, whether it's the government or the individuals.
A little side note. Koreans were against Shinsaimdang printed on a 50,000 Won banknote because her works are questionable compared to King Sejong, the person printed on a lesser, 10,000 Won note.
One more important fact about the intensity of this problem.
Entering 2020s, combined with record breaking lows in birth rate, Koreans begin to realize what is expected to come in near future. The population for people born in the 1960s, in that one decade alone, is 8.6 million. That is close to one fifth of this entire nation, probably exceeds one third accounting those born in 1950s and earlier. The imminent loophole is that these immense number of those born in the 1960s will retire sooner or later in this decade. That's right. We have less than 6 years left. This means the conflict between the working generation and the retired generation is greater than it ever was and inevitably WILL BE GREATER in the upcoming decades when one single laborer born after the 2000s might have to pay pension for two grannies alive by the time we reach 2050. Under today's life expectancy, the majority of boomers of 1960s will likely be still alive as well.
What's even worse? The damage to Korea's demographics has already been done and the only two ways out of this problem are either heavier, I MEAN HEAVIER tax or to fill that void with immigrants. I, as a fellow Korean and having lived in the west for many years, think that Koreans are the baddest mfers on this planet in terms of racism and the current immigrants being laborers from developing nations is not going to make racism among Koreans, whether immigrants or not, any better.
Like I have mentioned in my original comment, Koreans disapprove fellow Koreans to begin with. This wrong morale has left farmer men living in countryside with no option than to 'import' brides from developing nations and it has been this way for a long time, left as it is because nobody gave a damn about it. Let me be honest with you, now rural communities are experiencing discrimination the other way around as majority of kids are multi-ethnic. The population unaware of this in cities will get surprised by the time when every surrounding voting district will have a non-native governor elected, probably two or three decades later. Next step? Low life Koreans will disapprove mixed ethnic people living a better life than themselves, conservative Koreans are going to hate those supporting the mixed ethnic groups, discriminate mixed ethnic groups blaming all modern problems like Nazis did to Jews in the past. I wish I can be blamed for being wrong after all.
I don't see any other options. Honestly, Korea is not a place you come in pursuit of better life when you are already living average or above in your home country. Our immigration demographics can never be the same as what it is in North America. Exodus is another major problem. Most of my cousins(5 out of 7) have left Korea already. Two went to Australia, the rest in the US. This nation will experience a major exodus in its upper-middle class. You can call me an extremist, right winged, whatever tf you want but I'm not going to sugarcoat the reality of Koreans and the brutal future of Korea here just because we are a great nation which has BTS.
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According the Peter Zeihan children are just expensive furniture for city people rather than cheap labor for farmers.
Children was never cheap labor as in past only 50% of children live more than 5 years and only 1 in 3 became adult before 20 century.
@@rohj4825 On the Farm you didn't have to pay them and they could take care of you in old age. It is always good to have lots of them if they are dying so easily.
people do not want to go into low paying sectors like farming, fishing, health care etc. they want their kids to have high paying jobs so they have their kids get expensive education. but the reality is with the development of ai, old people working longer and being more productive, high paying jobs are on the decline. no one wants their kids to work at an old folks home changing diapers or sorting garbage, but except for a talented few, that's the only work left in the future.
You’re wrong South Korea is technically still in a state of war. The Korean War didn’t end, it’s simply in a ceasefire state.
yeah but the war is not happening. people in Korea dont think anout “ war”
@@unka2007 I understand that, please read the comment. I said “technically” what do you think I mean by the term?
Imo the major issue for low birth rates is house prices in major cities such as Seoul. Next, there is a cultural iasues such as people spending more time in education, decline in the marriage rate and then theres media promoting a certain type of relationship ie k dramas etc
i dont know if its that bad if the population of the world lowers a little.
@@ChudLite-vh6zk sending them aide is an issue. We shouldn't feed the wildlife and we also shouldn't import the third world into first world countries. They would learn to stop having that many children.