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Most reasonable take on this topic. I like Paul.
We keep on talking about mj why he isn't the goat of scoring
This is like a pg getting accolades over a sf. It doesn't happen often
Very true
Facts
Thanks PG for a sensible response to this useless debate. No one’s set of circumstances are the same to be able to compare the way people try to do.
Also lebron doesnt play against plumbers and extended league
@@franjoikrloipatrikyou want attention so bad 😢
Yeah Lebron plays in the no-defense era
@@franjoikrloipatrik
Ong, mj never faced the golden state warriors with curry kd klay
@@wavestation999you mean the no fouling area
If MJ would’ve played straight through due to whatever thinking, he would’ve lost in the finals. He wasn’t going 8-0, 10-0, whatever and that little piece of him losing in the finals would’ve derailed alot of peoples argument against Bron. The fact that he basically got off on top is what makes MJ’s story so great.
its really a bunch of things... keep it short... mj better shooter... mj better fundamentals... mj better in clutch... and lastly mj didnt flop lol
@@loudpack3398 no stat says MJ is a better shooter or better in the clutch. Fundamentals 😂. & MJ didn’t have to flop, you already couldn’t touch him.
@@andrejones7176 lbjs shooting % outside of 3 feet is 37% lmao. That’s complete dogshit 😂. This guy, calling Lebron a “shooter”. Dude has made a living around the rim with his size/speed combined with more spacing, open paint, no perimeter contact and less bigs willing/able to protect the rim. Let’s call Shaq a “shooter” while we’re at it lmao.
And MJ never lost a series he was supposed to win. Never. LBJ has twice, almost 3 times if Allen doesn’t make that 3. That’s not clutch.
@@loudpack3398 mj is below average from 3, bron hits 3s on higher efficiency and volume. Bron guarded 1-5 in his prime, from mvp drose to prime pau gasol and dwight. MJ doesnt even guard the opponent’s best wing, scottie does that for him.
MJ plays in phil jackson’s triangle offense, lebron literally directs his entire offense AND defense to counter opponent plays. Lebron creates offense for both him and his entire team, MJ just plays his own offense.
MJ wasnt double or triple teamed much because it was against the rules back then. Lebron face doubles and triples his entire career.
In MJ’s championship runs, he led his team in points and fg%. Scottie led those teams in assists rebounds blocks AND steals. Lebron led his championship teams in ALL of those categories. In 2015-2018, he led BOTH his team AND the opposing team in all those cats.
Lebron’s workload is like 5x as much as MJ’s
@@andrejones7176 the eye test says MJ was a better shooter and was more clutch. Anyone who's watched both of their entire careers (not just highlights) can see that.
This is coming from someone who rooted against MJ for years and rooted for Lebron (until he joined the Lakers).
You already couldn't touch MJ? 🤣🤣 Okay, tell that to the Bad Boys. They clotheslined that man and he still got up.
Hes right. The debate can be fun but for the most part we have to ignore A LOT in order to make a point and thats not fair to either guy
He def knew he was coming. They were running open court in Chicago when Lebron was in high school.
Bro Mike was retired damn near then lebron was like 6 for Jordan’s first 3 peat
@@NasirLawson-si5pu
Exactly. People just make stuff up now to fit their narrative.
@@NasirLawson-si5pu he was 8
Thank u pg this exactly my whole take on bron and mj
One of the best answers to this debate!
That’s a terrible argument I’m hearing thrown around. If players in the 60s knew you could dribble like Kyrie they would’ve of changed. Hindsight is 20/20
Lebron couldn't handle Jason Terry tho! Too many holes in his case.
MJ didn't just take years off, he ventured into another sport
Doesn't matter
You can retire in the weak 90s it wasn't a KD Steph Giannis Joker AD coming in the league every year When Jordan left he came back to the same talent that didn't get better
MJ took years off regardless. Anyways, he as ass at baseball so it wasn't even meaningful.
Ok?
@@Zoot004who’s your goat?😂
Bron has been thru three cycles of the league, iso and post up, high pick and roll, and then stretch and pop everything with down screen action… EVERY evolution has added more motion to the game and he’s still at 25/7/7 at 39 years old… MJ was great but let’s not deny someone who has been great beyond expectation and imo is the GOAT of basketball players to do it
They played defense back then. LeBron would have load managed himself out of the league, if he had to face the bad boys or the Knicks. Cat has no heart.MJs job was to score. Yet he was all defense 9 times,led in steals 3 times. Pippin the Bulls second leading scorer had a 17 point career scoring average.
Lebron flops, quits in 4th quarters, has meltdowns, leaves early when losing, etc.... no, lebron isn't the goat.
@@user-oe5dm7tb9o this is obviously an argument you can’t win and I respect the civility but it was all iso when MJ played and double teams were illegal unless you hedged quickly… Bron has been tasked with being a point forward a lot of his career and he will be the ONLY person to ever have 40k points, 11k assists and 11k rebounds… Jordan for sure had a dawg clutch gene, but he’s not the best basketball player to lace them up, if you wanna hang your hat on 6 finals then ok… It’s also nonnegotiable that for almost a decade if you had Bron you went to the finals and he carried teams when you need a super team to win now… Jordan had one from 96-98 and had Pip his whole run who’s a top 50 player
If it was all iso,how did MJ averaged 30+ for his career. And average over 5 assist. Did you ever see the " LA Express, with Magic at the point? Stockton leads the league in dimes, and they ran fast breaks,which meant the ball might change hands 3 times. Pop started the spread floor and now it's regulation for teams. No my friend, you got it wrong. We can go back to the Russell led Celtics, with a vaunted fast break. And Bro, LeBron restricts flow, I mean dude, he pounds the at the top of the key, waiting for someone to break free. Instead of penetrating and dishing. Boring ball. He'd rather shoot 3's than drive. At 6'9", 270
I love PG but I hate when people use the argument "MJ/Bron wasn't asked to do the same thing" because that's not true. Both were franchise players and ultimately your job as a franchise player is to bring your city a chip.
MJ wasn't asked to beat 2 MVPs on a 70+ win team. That's one part you're all missing. MJ's franchise ensured he had a 70 win team 😂
lebrons stint with the cavs both times was entirely the front office’s fault, Lebron did what he was supposed to do. He literally led them to the finals in 2007 just to lose to duncan and the spurs. 2018 bron is arguably the best performance of any individual player of all time, even bringing them to the finals with that roster just to lose against prolly the best team ever assembled. They play in two seperate eras, insanely hard to compare the two.
I also feel that point is lame.Sound like an excuse to favour one over another.
LeBron has to do everything for his team while jordan just had to score because jordan had a better team. His team without him won almost 60 games and almost made the finals. The Cavs without Bron was complete crap. They didn’t even make the playoffs.
Bron is absolutely asked to do what Jordan did. Lmaoooo. Bron has always led his teams in scoring and has the most playoff game winners all time.
Thank you for this PG 🤝
Is that esquire from ATL?
I hope not because that dude fumbled Serena 🤦🏽♂️
That's Jackie long aka esquire from ATL
And this, among other reasons, is why you cannot compare eras.
He did know Lebron was coming though Lebron went to Jordan’s camp in 10th grade and was dominating
Jordan was asked to score and defend occasionally (once Scottie came defense ,playmaking and rebounding was his job)
LeBron has literally never played on a team and wasn’t the leading scorer even right now with AD … and for the bulk of his career he was the leading rebounder, playmaker and best defender on the teams he played for… so it’s safe to say he’s been asked to do way more than Jordan .
Now I do agree that we shouldn’t call any one the GOAT only because
You’d have to give each great player of every era a equally talented team and they each lead that team individually in a season and see which team comes out on top to see who the greatest player is
best defender on what team???? the Miami Heat?! Lebron hasnt played defense since 2014 when he was all defensive 2nd team Bron played 20 years and only has 5 all defensive selections ?? stop
@@jaquicenasheed7374 ignore the regular season and focus on what matters most, the playoffs.
LeBron basically led his teams in every stat, including leading both teams in every stat on a finals
@@elisamuelpedraza8228 BECAUSE HE WAS STAT PADDING 😂😂😂😂 why does it matter you lead both teams in stats if YOU LOSE?!?! where is the logic in that just like when Devin Booker scored that 71 point game a few years back they lost the game so why do that matter?? did he lead both teams in stats in the 2017 2018 finals when he got swept the first year and barely won a single game the next? STOP
@@jaquicenasheed7374 in 2016 they won. In 2017 and 2018 any person with the slight piece of logic would know Warriors had those championship and a very possible three peat assured, so your point doesn't go nowhere...
Specially considering that if he "stat pad" and win or loose is bad and if he doesn't "stat pad" and lose he's also wrong so: pick a side buddy, you can't be in both
@@elisamuelpedraza8228 the point is I just gave you nothing but facts, and facts don’t lie clearly you’re the one who’s gone denial there bud 🤷🏽♂️
How does this effect LeGoats legacy
I think this is the best response to this debate that I’ve heard.
When interviewers ask this question, none of them seem smart enough to ask obvious questions.
I've watched the NBA since the late 70s,
I remember so many games like they were played yesterday. All that I am going to say is that if a coach would put defenders on Lebron James that Jordan faced often, he would be fired the next day.
jordan in the league for 13 years 6 ings lebron in league 20+ years 4 rings and jordan 10 scoring titles out of 13 years
15*
Rings are really team success. No one is putting duncan over bron
@lukiepookie6227 a few people do and jirdan didn't need a ray Allen buzzer beater to win
@@Deadmansworld14who do you think scored 16 points in the 4th to set up the 3?
@sphealteam6 ah yes because 15+ hasn't been done I'm a quarters multiple times
MJ didnt care about points... he cared about winning
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Goat of generation don’t make since. It’s All Time
Don’t get why debates aren’t allowed. It’s a competition you have to be better than plenty of people just to get there. It should be a convo, although no one is undisputed.
If lebron knew he could be drafted by the Spurs instead of the Cavs, it's not fair
SO accurate! MJ would’ve went for 10 rings if he saw the future.
Ridiculous statement. All thats saying is that MJ wasnt really the killer everyone said he was
Why did he need to see the future to win 10 rings? Lmao
That’s not even close to what PG said lol
It’s no way that’s the conclusion you came up with😂😂
Thats not remotely what he said.
MJ didn’t have the expectation Lebron had coming into the league, Lebron was asked to do Jordan stuff at very early give this man his flowers
Real Ball players who were asked to Carry a team... Understand the it's not a black or white answer. It's a Grey area. He also knows that players of old deserve their respect also... Meaning players from the , 70s, 80s
Jordan didn't play to be the Goat ! He played because he wanted to win championships, have fun, play hard, bond and achieve team goals. That's why he's the goat, because he wasn't trying to be the goat, he just was. His athleticism, his game IQ, and competitive savvy are a few reasons why.🏀
LeBron though, 🤔
he plays to be the goat He wants that goat title, he chases that adoration ! Maybe that's motivation to chase himself.👤🏀🤔
Great take here
A sensible take.
When MJ took years off he did so under the scrutiny of chaotic accusations surrounding women, gambling, and his dad. Dude didn't have the mentality necessary to maintain that grueling pace he had set for his legacy and he did the right thing. Big UPS PG!!!
Sounds like he’s dancing around wanting to call Mike the goat 😂
That's one of the most valid reasons for picking MJ. If he didn't take those years off, who knows how many points he would've scored or Rings he would've gotten. However, Bron playing at a high level with no breaks is also valid. Lol
The thing about the Bron-MJ debate that I don't get, is how does everyone just forget that Kobe Bryant existed all the time in this discussion. I wasn't even a Kobe fan, but, damn... The "GOAT" discussion is dumb, comparing different eras and different positions on the court like they're the same, thinking one guy couldnt play in the other guy's era, etc... I'll point this out, though: only four times in NBA history has a player achieved all nba first team, all defensive first team, regular season scoring champion, regular season mvp, playoffs scoring champion, and finals mvp all in the same season. Jordan did it all four times, led the league in steals one of those years, too.
To add to the Kobe thing;
Kobe and the lakers went to three straight finals from 2008-2010 in the deep and tough western Conference in my opinion. Facing multiple 50 win teams finishing off with the 2010 nba finals where the lakers won a hard fought 7 games series against the Boston big 3.
- Kobe also has faced the most 50+ wins teams in the playoffs i believe
- LeBron , Michael Jordan and other nba legends/greats are also in the goat convo but it is kind of a unnecessary debate imo and others opinions aswell i believe. But with that said, Kobe Bryant is definitely in the convo imo. All the nba players that have played against Kobe has only great things to say about the mamba. Talking about how fierce and focused he was as a competitior and as an athlete
I could go on and on, but this is some of the things which supports Kobe's status within the nba and the basketball world 😊2️⃣4️⃣
@@fredrikdahl1230you should be debating him being in the 7-10 spot, not in the top 3. mentality doesn't excuse the 1 mvp to bron's 4 and jordan's 5, nor the 2 fmvps to bron's 4 and jordan's 6, nor the comparatively poor efficiency while taking the same number of shots. 81 points is a lot, but one game shouldn't have any impact on the scale of over a thousand. before you even bring up teammates, kobe has played with just as many all stars and current/future hofers as lebron, so that excuse doesn't work. kobe was a phenomenal player, but he doesn't belong in the goat conversation.
He knows MJ's the goat, he just doesn't want LeBron to cry.
PG was correct but if there is one both were asked from the get go is deliver rings and championships by all means necessary, and MJ did did it 2 X 3 PEATS. that's hard to beat!
I think if bron really wanted to get rings he wouldn’t have come back to Cleveland.
FACTZ
All athletes know they'll be a better athlete to come along in the future, so I'm pretty sure MJ did his best. Lebron's just the best ever and y'all gotta come to grips with that
Best take on it!
Great take. They can't be compared the playstyles are nothing alike.
I like this way of thinking. Every nba fan should be more like paul
I will do 1 puahup for every time you blink
Lol MJ fans bring the time off has an excuse MJ is 2nd
MJ retired the first time because his father was murdered. People act as if the man just decided the competition was too much and retired.
He came back his Wizards year to try and show that young Wizards team how to compete. Not necessarily to lead them to a championship and he still gave it his all.
@BJ 1998 was supposed to be him retiring for good.
You call it excuses🤣🤣🤣🤣 The first 2 retirements, he retired on top. Two 3 peats.
Other teams should be glad he retired. No one was beating the Bulls in a 7 game series had MJ never retired and stayed in basketball shape.
Not Houston, not San Antonio, and certainly not the Magics
real talk mj is old and is no longer the prime 90s jordan when he took the wizard jersey.
MJ retired because of the media, it was too much for him and he wanted a break.
@@KoolRunnings09 .......uhmmmm, no.
He retired because he got caught gambling and stern told him to step down from the NBA to protect his brand
I change my mind all the time between Bird Lebron Jordan Wilt and even B Russel. Dont know if ill ever make my mind up. Maybe thats how it should be.
MJ went out and won 🏆 🏆 🏆 🏆🏆 🏆 NBA Championships in 13 years with the team that was presented to him....GOAT
This is a good ass viewpoint. If Jordan knew that there was an elite specimen coming to challenge his status he would’ve did things different.
You could have said the same thing about Karam if he knew Jordan would get six rings in a 90s weak era he would have stay one year with magic to beat Jordan.
Phill Jackson will tell you LeBron is the best
Well one things for sure, MJ never referred him as the GOAT. It’s the people who says it. And everyone says it.
Everyone just forgot about Kobe I guess
It’s crazy cuz he took years off and still fell apart in 15 seasons. Getting his knees drained and shit in year 14 and 15. I don’t think he would’ve been able to play till 2003 if he didn’t take those previous years off to be honest.
LeBron should be compared to Magic, Because if you wanna compare anyone to MJ it’s Kobe
One has double the accolades of the other with a career 50% shorter, so if he played as long as him he would have double the championships and triple the accolades
They were both asked to win and MJ did it at a better ratio
I think LeBron and steph are the goats of the 2010's. To 2020. A good decade. You can say kobe and Tim Duncan were goats of the 2000's. I personally believe you can say there are goats of separate decades of the league.
Cut it out, LeBron can't do what Jordan does because LeBron is a "past first player". This means his "dawg" in him is not as dominant as MJ or Kobe🤷🏾♂️
Said perfectly..
Yes your right about asked to do but they are both ask to win period
Lebron can only play one way
I audibly said yes he is!!! on that last part he said that’s so fucking cap
Most generic view on the topic.
An "afraid to call it like it is" point of view.
You can retire in the weak 90s it wasn't a KD Steph Giannis Joker AD coming in the league every year When Jordan left he came back to the same talent that didn't get better
Most casual shit I have ever read… lmaoooo bro wtf are you talking about? 🤣
@@Jdot109 read it Jordan fan
Ain't nobody tell MJ to take years off! Ain't LeBron fault!
If labron was just scoring and playing defense, then what. He is bigger faster stronger
Thank u
I think I actually like Paul G
PG is referring to career stats of Lebron? Who cares about career stats. ONLY CASUALS weigh on career stats. ONLY NBA fans refer to career stats for greatness.
At the end of the day Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is the goat
Stop..
Mj would’ve did exactly what he did, he doesn’t care. Jordan is the basketball player in the history of the game.
difference was mj was asked to play under a system in order to win,lebron had to be the system to win😂😂
I understand what he saying but how do people automatically assume that can y’all read mj mind or something lol
💯💯
exactly
People were saying MJwas the goat before he won his first championship and he was considered the goat after the first 3-peat already.
People were not saying MJ was the G.O.A.T. before his first championship. That does not making any sense.
“If he knew what was to come” what type of f*cking excuse is that ? I’ve literally never heard that in my 32 years of living. Wilt stopped scoring on purpose..and if he didn’t he would have put the scoring record out of Jordan’s reach anyways so the point is mute. Sort of like he did with the top 5 PPG seasons. Why don’t you give him that excuse ?
PG actually answered this question before and he has Kobe as the GOAT that’s why he really couldn’t pick 😂
Fair point by pg
That makes no sense. Thats implying that if MJ could see the future he would play even better and get even more rings? Thats not anything works. He didn’t take breaks because he thought no one would be as great as him. Last time i checked a 7ft 4 played for 20 years and also had 6 rings and thats Kareem Abdul Jabar and he never was driven for a better Career.
Jordan would beat LeBron at everything he ever did
@@steveatwater4364 what does that have to do with anything with what i just said?
@@jusbertmeza4424 if you have to ask...
It’s obviously a hypothetical but that wasn’t his full argument lol
Jordan even smoked him in Space Jam. LeBron will always be in his shadow, doing what Jordan did at 50% greatness.
The NBA has a lot of goats, just in there on way
Every one still chasing JORDAN .
NO CAP
The man been retired forever and he's still regarded as the GOAT 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐.
NO CAP💯
I'm here cause, I saw the news, You just got Posterized by LeBron,
Players still in the league don't want to say it. That anonymous vote showed current players still think MJ was the greatest.
No one can ask Lebron to do what MJ did bcos he doesnt have the ability-no one does.Scoring champ/DPOY in one season?!How many men can do this once let alone many times.Pls
MJ seen Kobe coming still didn't do more, just saying
Lebron is not better than Kobe
Sure 🤣🤡
@@thomasdeleon7518 ur just mad because LeBron is stuck on 3 1/2 chips ...
@@kypdurwin6901 I’m not mad man, I’m good, do you know how many all stats about there don’t have a chip, my player has 4, also the amount a chips does not define how good you are as a player that’s deeper than that homey
@@thomasdeleon7518 I'm just messing with you brother
@@kypdurwin6901 3 1/2 😂😂
Jordan needed time off but nobody says nothing about it lol
3 straight finals and guy was exhausted lol
Try 8 straight 9 of 10 and carrying sorry as teams
Not picking sides but bron was asked to do everything jordan did
What did LeBron have to do that MJ didn't. MJ ran the floor and played both sides. MJ played more full seasons. Every guy that plays with LeBron game suffers because Bron has to play off the ball. Let's not talk about load management, and he doesn't run the floor often. We also won't talk about the flopping.
Aren’t they asked to win championships?
But the time off helped him cause he was burnt out on ball
Lebron is asked to do what Jordan does. He’s asked to literally do everything
What generation would that be? The era he got 4 rings, the same as Curry? The one where he pushes a narrative with klutch sports? The one where Steph changed the game? The one where he is afraid to retire because of Steph Curry? Yall gtfoh.
It's MJ, Kobe, Steph. Then whoever yall got.
It's more than running down the lane to dunk. If this 🥷 was the same size as Steph, would he achieve half of what Steph's achieved?
Cmon PG. just tell the truth
Wow man. Nah CP3 ain’t the smartest. This Man Is.❤
MJ literally knew & retired 😂 … HUH????
I’m shocked nobody ever thought to say this or bring it up but if a guy wins three in a row in a league, leaves for some years, comes back and wins again doesn’t that mean that league wasn’t that good ?😂😂😂 like it’s the most simplest point of view on that whole situation but no one’s ever brought it up (looks at hands typing this) does this mean everyone who spoke on this or had any interest is stupid and doesn’t have common sense let alone any basketball IQ?