I Put A 3HP Motor On My Mini Mill

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  • čas přidán 11. 07. 2024
  • G'day everyone
    The control board for my milling machine (Sieg x2.7l) has recently blown. It is not exactly a huge surprise, these DC motor boards are easily the weakest part of these import machines, and it was only a matter of time before this one blew. A replacement one was going to cost roughly $400, and given that the motor is already somewhat underpowered, I didn't feel that that price was worth it.
    Now since I have recently replaced the mini lathe I have a spare 3 phase 3 horsepower motor on hand, plus a VFD, and by sheer coincidence the total cost for that was $400.
    So I might as well put that on the milling machine and see what happens. Of course its not that straight forward, the motor is oversized and wont fit in the stock housing. So I'll have to make up a bracket. I'll also have to figure out a way to make a replacement 5M pulley to change the pulley ratio. I'll also have to figure out how to connect the VFD to the standard control panel.
    Also I find a way to break every tool that I end up using. Just one of those weeks.
    Timestamps
    0:00 - Introduction and 3HP motor
    2:58 - Making The Motor Mounting Bracket
    6:23 - Making A Replacement Pulley
    11:15 - Wiring the VFD and Making A Replaement Cover
    14:00 - Testing Out The New Motor
    #machining #millingmachine #minimill
    Mini Mill 3HP Motor
    Milling Machine 3HP Motor
    Milling machine Motor Upgrade
    Sieg x2 Motor upgrade
    Sieg X2.7l Motor upgrade
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Komentáře • 441

  • @artisanmakes
    @artisanmakes  Před rokem +142

    Do you ever have one of those weeks where everything you touch breaks? Pretty much sums up my past 2 weeks :)

    • @smashyrashy
      @smashyrashy Před rokem +8

      Not weeks but i definitely have days like that

    • @djsnowman06
      @djsnowman06 Před rokem +7

      Yea every week of my life so far...

    • @rjung_ch
      @rjung_ch Před rokem +1

      Love the cliff hanger ending 👍💪✌️

    • @Lucas_sGarage
      @Lucas_sGarage Před rokem +2

      I had a month...

    • @JETHO321
      @JETHO321 Před rokem +3

      Use a little cutting oil when turning gummy aluminum.

  • @Tympan
    @Tympan Před rokem +127

    Here’s a tip for using holes saws in thick metal: touch the hole saw onto the metal so it scribes the perimeter of your hole. Then remove it and drill 4 small holes (at 90 degrees) around the perimeter right through your material. The outside edge of each hole should be aligned to the outside edge of the perimeter. Then resume cutting with the hole saw. This allows for the chips to be pushed out through the four holes and prevents them building up and causing heat and damage to the saw. Also use cutting fluid. And then go and buy an annular cutter and never use a hole saw on thick material again 😂. Great videos btw.

    • @albertogregory9678
      @albertogregory9678 Před rokem

      The little holes on the outside, do you mean drill them so their centers go through the scribed line, or their outside circumference, putting the hole on the outside of the scribed circle?

    • @ericg7044
      @ericg7044 Před rokem +6

      @@albertogregory9678 Little holes should not poke outside the perimeter of the big hole. So drill them inside the big hole, with the perimeter of the little hole up against the perimeter of the big hole, from the inside.

    • @albertogregory9678
      @albertogregory9678 Před rokem

      @@ericg7044 thanks!

  • @Adamant4160
    @Adamant4160 Před rokem +54

    Quick tip. If you have aluminum welded to an insert, soak it in lye water. Lye will dissolve the aluminum and won't effect the insert or steel cutter. Works great for files too.

    • @mozismobile
      @mozismobile Před rokem +12

      Lye being sodium hydroxide or caustic soda in Australia BTW. Sold at... Bunnings! :)

    • @T0tenkampf
      @T0tenkampf Před rokem +1

      nice tip, I have a whole drawer of clogged files that I was too annoyed with the brush out,

    • @billh308
      @billh308 Před rokem +2

      Don't get it on your skin

    • @artisanmakes
      @artisanmakes  Před rokem +7

      Yeah ive done that with a few gummed up endmills. It works wonders

    • @artisanmakes
      @artisanmakes  Před rokem +4

      Yeah ive done that with a few gummed up endmills. It works wonders

  • @Crocxr8
    @Crocxr8 Před rokem +24

    Hey mate, a tip when drilling through anything thick with hole saw, but works especially well on steel. Drill a small hole in the path of the circle you're cutting. When drilling through thicker material, as soon as the cut is deep enough to cover the hole saw teeth, the chips have nowhere to go. The teeth will get clogged and you just end up rubbing instead of cutting.If you drill a hole first, the chips will be able to exit the cut through the bottom, and you wont have to pull the hole saw out to clear the chips every few seconds. Faster cuts, and less rubbing keeps your bits sharper for longer.

    • @TheMonthlyJack
      @TheMonthlyJack Před rokem

      Good tip mate
      I spent some time trying to cut though steel with a 70mm hole saw, but couldn't get over 5mm in.
      Maybe i cut down 3mm with the hole saw, then i'll have a grove to guide a jobber bit.

  • @Flying0Dismount
    @Flying0Dismount Před rokem +21

    Yes inductive losses go up with frequency, but if you are only doubling line frequency, there is no issue at all: the VFD waveforms are much higher frequency anyways, and your motor is fan cooled and finned, so I would have no worries going even higher than 2x if necessary.. Just watch the torque requirements and take shallower cuts to keep the currents low, as it's I^2X, so even if the reactive losses become much higher, they are still small compared to the current squared.

    • @cda32
      @cda32 Před rokem +7

      Seconded. It's fine as long as you aren't trying to run it at 20,000 RPM or something, then it's more the structure of the rotor flying apart which is a problem.

    • @Loebane
      @Loebane Před rokem +1

      What about the motor bearings though? I'd imagine there's a potential for overheating them leading to highly accelerated wear if they're the bushing type.

    • @martinchabot_FR
      @martinchabot_FR Před rokem +1

      in fact 1400rpm and 2800rpm motor have the same base, the only difference is the wiring. So 1400rpm motor will run fine at 100Hz.
      I even ran 2800rpm motor a 6krpm on my mini-mill, but it was a small motor (63 frame).

  • @malteser0212
    @malteser0212 Před rokem +8

    little tip for cleaning cutting tools with aluminium welded to them: lay them in a solution of Lye (sodium hydroxide) for some time, the NaOH dissolves the aluminum right away without hurting the cutting tool.
    And please give this VFD some air to breathe. It might not be a lot of heat to feel, but it accumulates. And while it might not decrease it's power, it will surely affect the VFDs lifetime.

    • @ItsBoyRed
      @ItsBoyRed Před rokem +1

      Another thing with electronic heat is that what you feel is far far away from the actual part of the component getting hot.
      So even if it does not feel hot it could be very hot at the source.

  • @billsmith5166
    @billsmith5166 Před rokem +23

    Really looking forward to your rigidity improvements. I think you'd love an inexpensive plasma cutter. I've had mine for 3 or 4 years and it's still just fine. I hope I didn't just jinx myself.

    • @markfryer9880
      @markfryer9880 Před rokem +2

      Actually Aldi have a Plasma Cutter on sale at the moment for $299. It might do the job for you? You will need a compressor to provide the compressed air for the Plasma Cutter.
      Mark from Melbourne Australia

  • @ThePunischer1000
    @ThePunischer1000 Před rokem +7

    Field weakening with the VFD is no problem. However the torque will decrease and the efficiency will suffer a bit. But when you set up the current and power limit correctly in the VFD it is absolutely fine and standard practice for induction motors.

  • @nathaniellangston5130
    @nathaniellangston5130 Před rokem +3

    This video has it all in it! Turning, casting, welding, milling! Great video!

  • @rodbutler9864
    @rodbutler9864 Před rokem +22

    Two points of contact for rigidity. The base to the bench (of course) and the motor to the wall. It has made a significant improvement to my converted drill press/mill. Can’t see why it wouldn’t work similarly in your situation. The centrifugal forces in that bigger motor is getting everything else to rock-n-roll. I will be very interested to see what you come up with. Luv y’ work.

    • @koharaisevo3666
      @koharaisevo3666 Před rokem +1

      The motor travel with the head so it can't be fixed to the wall.

    • @rjung_ch
      @rjung_ch Před rokem +1

      @@koharaisevo3666 think the motor is fixed, the other axel travels.

    • @autumn5592
      @autumn5592 Před rokem +1

      ​@@koharaisevo3666The motor doesn't travel with the head.

    • @pontiacg445
      @pontiacg445 Před rokem +4

      @@autumn5592 Of course the motor travels with the head. There might be a quill, it's probably longer than you are and still woefully ineffective.
      This isn't a knee mill, nor a drill press. Have either of you ever even been in the same room as a mini mill?

    • @autumn5592
      @autumn5592 Před rokem +1

      @@pontiacg445 Ad hominem, argument invalid.

  • @meckarelis3235
    @meckarelis3235 Před rokem +6

    I just got my first lathe and a couple of days before that got accepted to a machine based highschool. I have had a lot of interest with machines since i was really small. The interest was then growing after i found "this old tony" then i gound your channel and now i have applied for that school and managed to get my dad to buy me a little lathe. Thanks

  • @alfiestein7977
    @alfiestein7977 Před rokem

    Love the upgrade. I did a similar upgrade but I used an Ariston washer machine motor. Three phase at 195v and coupled that to a cheap Chinese vfd. Works very well. Now to do my lathe. Slightly larger motor and vfd ordered for the mini lathe. Love the vids.

  • @GeoffTV2
    @GeoffTV2 Před rokem +10

    Great video, thank you. I have had a Sieg x3 mini mill for many years now. It has the exact same 1hp brushed motor and controller as yours. I got about 7 years of use before the controller died and like you was horrified at the cost of a replacement board. I did keep my motor and just replaced the controller with a £20 one from eBay. It has worked flawlessly but now seeing this, I wished I had replaced the motor too.

    • @TheGalacticWest
      @TheGalacticWest Před rokem +2

      you could buy all the parts on the board twice and replace them for less then 400 dollars.

  • @Dave.Wilson
    @Dave.Wilson Před rokem +2

    A modification that I definitely need to do to my mini mill, the lathe has a 3hp 3 phase motor on it, and it is far more usable than previous. I'll be taking inspiration from you, thanks for sharing. Cheers from the UK.

    • @fredfarnackle5455
      @fredfarnackle5455 Před rokem +1

      I have a mini-mill, I ended up fitting a 750Watt sewing machine motor to it. Much better than the original puny DC motor. It's an adjustable brushless servo motor, cost AU$176.99. Do a You Tube search for it. Goes up to 4,000rpm, I bought some toothed belt pulleys and can spin the spindle up to 3,500rpm - which is a bit high, the original top speed was 2,500 and the spindle gets very warm running over that for a long time so I changed the ratio for 2,600rpm and am very happy with it. Loads of torque and variable speed. Bought a spare motor as a back up, just in case...

  • @jamesstuartjamieson650
    @jamesstuartjamieson650 Před rokem +1

    Not a fitter engineer but thoroughly enjoy watching the videos and appreciate the humour

  • @jibeji
    @jibeji Před rokem

    Great improvement, and it looks very good!

  • @putteslaintxtbks5166
    @putteslaintxtbks5166 Před rokem

    Nice upgrade, and even came with a new angle grinder and brushless drill! Sweet!

  • @coolfrost6
    @coolfrost6 Před rokem +5

    If we follow the trend, artisan will be revealing a new milling machine in a future video 😅

    • @dragonwing4ever
      @dragonwing4ever Před rokem

      bridgeport incoming🤣

    • @jjcc8379
      @jjcc8379 Před rokem

      And a month and so later his ... ¿ grinding wheel ? (some other machine ) will fail, and he will retrofit the 3 hp motor and the vfd into it.

    • @artisanmakes
      @artisanmakes  Před rokem

      I quite like this mill so I’m hoping to keep it for a while

  • @raulkaap
    @raulkaap Před rokem +14

    You can collect the dust from the angle grinder and put it in the lathe gearbox.

    • @evanbarnes9984
      @evanbarnes9984 Před rokem +1

      To intentionally damage the gears?

    • @Kineth1
      @Kineth1 Před rokem +3

      ​@@evanbarnes9984To replace the factory standard grit that he accidentally discarded.

    • @ItsBoyRed
      @ItsBoyRed Před rokem

      @@Kineth1 It will run like new.
      China new! : )

    • @gaiustacitus4242
      @gaiustacitus4242 Před rokem

      @@evanbarnes9984 I've seen shade tree mechanics pack differential gears with sawdust to take up the slack space caused by wear on the gears. It works for a while, and is technique usually performed to unload a problem on the next owner.

  • @-Fritz-
    @-Fritz- Před rokem +9

    If you're using a hole saw to drill through steel, just barely start the hole so that your circle is marked, then drill a series of 3mm holes around the circumference to create a sort of dotted line. Then your hole saw will chew right through it. Those 3mm holes give the hole saw chips somewhere to go.

    • @1crazypj
      @1crazypj Před rokem

      That's what I do, you can core aluminium bars double the length of hole saw which comes in handy and saves material

    • @EnlightenedSavage
      @EnlightenedSavage Před rokem

      lube helps too

    • @kieranh2005
      @kieranh2005 Před rokem

      I've drilled 20 and 25mm steel and 304 stainless with 60+mm holesaws using a technique similar to this.
      Predrill the pilot hole and drill 3 or more Ø10mm holes so that the outside edge of the 10mm hole ends up under the holesaw track.
      The extra holes allow the swarf to drop out. Lots of neat cutting fluid, run it slow with plenty of down pressure.

    • @artisanmakes
      @artisanmakes  Před rokem +1

      Yeah that would have been a good method

    • @artisanmakes
      @artisanmakes  Před rokem +1

      It had cutting paste

  • @Dev_2R
    @Dev_2R Před 9 měsíci

    This video was the definition of buy once cry once. Sorry about your whole shop ending up busted, good job pulling through!

  • @louiel8711
    @louiel8711 Před rokem

    I ended up putting a 600 watt sewing machine AC servo motor and control on the mini lathe after the board died, $120 fix, stupid board was $250. Much more power although now the lack of rigidity is really showing especially when boring. Great video thanks.

  • @shawnmrfixitlee6478
    @shawnmrfixitlee6478 Před rokem +1

    I put a 2.5 treadmill motor on mine and wow does it work awesome .. will have vids of it up soon !👍👍

  • @floris6164
    @floris6164 Před rokem +1

    Please do a complete shop tour!!!

  • @clydebalcom3679
    @clydebalcom3679 Před rokem

    I feel for you. Murphy's Law is really giving you fits. I hope you find better luck with your upgraded motor.
    Best wishes from Oklahoma.

  • @sparrowthenerd
    @sparrowthenerd Před rokem

    Looking forward to the mill upgrade video(s)!

  • @gonzostwin1
    @gonzostwin1 Před rokem

    Ive always thrown a thermal camera on a board thats pooped the bed. 90% of the time I find the issue, but you've done right with upgrading that nice machine

  • @magicbytes3835
    @magicbytes3835 Před rokem

    Your 3HP Mini Lathe is paying you back for trading her in on that PM lathe., cheers from me.😷👍👍👍

  • @mjohnson43136
    @mjohnson43136 Před rokem

    Nice work!!

  • @steveman1982
    @steveman1982 Před rokem +3

    Next video: I put a 3 hp motor in my toothbrush

  • @pascallier
    @pascallier Před rokem

    I did quite the same on my machine (BF 28) last year and I would never go back !
    I can drive the motor between 4 and 115Hz. and as my machine has 2 gears I can use it from 80 to 5.000+ RPM, with a bunch of torque at low speed.
    Huge improvement that should be done up from the beginning

  • @hedning003
    @hedning003 Před rokem +4

    most of the time it isnt any issues to run a good quality motor up to 80hz for long periods of time - tiny tip: when milling aluminium - use denatured spirit as cooling(available at any paint shop),stops the cutter to clog up

    • @robertwalker7457
      @robertwalker7457 Před rokem

      Thanks, mentholated spirits or metho for those down under.

  • @gofastwclass
    @gofastwclass Před rokem +3

    I feel your pain, I used the same parting tool insert for months then recently broke three inserts and the tool holder on the same project in a day. In hindsight I think the first failure damaged the tool holder.

  • @pdubowner
    @pdubowner Před 10 měsíci

    Nice work.

  • @laggmonkei
    @laggmonkei Před rokem +1

    Aww a missed opportunity to make a "back to the trusty old hacksaw" skit when the grinder crapped out! :)

  • @b.malnit8983
    @b.malnit8983 Před rokem

    Works great. 👍

  • @billdoodson4232
    @billdoodson4232 Před rokem

    I had a lot of money tied up in Ryobi One tools, then after another Li battery failed, I decided to find something more suited to my needs. Eventually, I went for Milwaukee and haven't looked back. Gave all my old stuff to my son, who is only a light user, so we are both happy. At the end of the day both Ryobi and Milwaukee are owned by the same Hong Kong outfit.

  • @ivanblogs
    @ivanblogs Před rokem +3

    Remember Endmill size IS gearing. (I had to learn this mistake). Run the machine 100% rpm/power, use smaller diameter end mill to get right surface speed. I went from preferring 12mm cutters to 6mm. Buy long shank for those tall sidemilling ops. They are also like 1/4 the price.

  • @Usefulcraftchannel
    @Usefulcraftchannel Před 11 měsíci

    Good job ❤❤❤❤

  • @anothermidlifecrisis
    @anothermidlifecrisis Před rokem

    Just a tip from a 12 year Millwright, when zip cutting don't press hard. Just keep enough pressure to keep the disc from chattering and sweep the entire cut back and forth steady for the deep cuts. Your discs will last ages longer. Gentle as you can be, let the disc and tool do all the work.

  • @wizrom3046
    @wizrom3046 Před rokem +3

    That angle grinder needs... a....
    3hp motor! 😎

  • @Timeonabike
    @Timeonabike Před rokem

    Great work. More steel!

  • @TechGorilla1987
    @TechGorilla1987 Před rokem

    @5:35 - Oy!! That surface finish, mate!

  • @Keinapappa
    @Keinapappa Před rokem +1

    Haven'f done much of aluminum machining but our teacher, in the year stick and stone, told us to use denaturated alcohol as coolant so the tools won't gunk up.

  • @MattysWorkshop
    @MattysWorkshop Před rokem

    Gday, there’s no substitute for HP, you really had one of them weeks where you feel like just shutting the door walking away, cheers

  • @Helli__
    @Helli__ Před rokem

    Trophy earned!
    🏆 Frankenmill

  • @Preso58
    @Preso58 Před rokem

    I did the same upgrade to my Sieg X3 years ago. I also fitted a gas strut to balance the Z drive (it's now CNC'd). Filling the column and base with epoxy granite helped with the rigidity. Interestingly, I saw a Ryobi ad just after your drill crapped out. Unfortunate timing.😮

  • @russtuff
    @russtuff Před rokem

    Nice upgrade. Making mods to your mill will quickly make you want for a second mill :)

    • @artisanmakes
      @artisanmakes  Před rokem +1

      I only do it for plate and I do it outside away from the lathe and mill.

  • @scroungasworkshop4663

    I can recommend Suttons “Venom” cutting fluid. I was sceptical but it really works to make drilling and tapping easier and you can buy it at Bunnies. I can also recommend the Metabo WEPBA 19-125 5” / 125mm angle grinder. They’re not cheap at around $499 but, buy once, cry once and they have a lot of safety features. With a rated 1900 watts they also have the power of a much bigger grinder. That’s 700 watts more than your new Ozito and boy do you notice it. With so much extra power the blade doesn’t slow down so cutting and grinding is much faster. The difference is incredible. I bought two of them after a serious accident with a Makita. I hope this helps, Cheers Stuart. 🇦🇺

    • @artisanmakes
      @artisanmakes  Před rokem

      Blimey that’s one powerful grinder. I looked at the makita at Bunnings and it was less than a 1000w. For what it’s worth the Ozito is powerful for the price. I do love me some Sutton a cutting fluid, I use Sutton a cutting paste and it works wonder too. Cheers

    • @scroungasworkshop4663
      @scroungasworkshop4663 Před rokem

      @@artisanmakes It’s is a powerful grinder but you pay a lot for it. It’s a bit like the difference you felt putting the big motor on the mill. 👍

  • @b.malnit8983
    @b.malnit8983 Před rokem

    Very brave to consider this job.

  • @ianbertenshaw4350
    @ianbertenshaw4350 Před rokem

    Got there in the end ! Glad i bought the HM46 mill ! My luck ran out about 5 seconds after i was born 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @jimsvideos7201
    @jimsvideos7201 Před rokem

    If that VFD has the jog function you'll love it for tapping.

  • @saschasprenger1
    @saschasprenger1 Před 10 měsíci

    Hi Artisan, as always: Great vidoe on a great channel. Thank you for that!
    But one suggestion from my side. I think if you have not enough tork in your 16mm drill maybe your belt is too small. You could double up the pulleys and use two belts to transfer the whole 3HP to the tip of your drill. ...just my idea. Greetings from Germany Sascha

  • @bobuilt10
    @bobuilt10 Před rokem +3

    If your starting with an unknown alloy it's always worth throwing in a couple of % by weight of copper with the aluminium to improve machinability.

    • @1crazypj
      @1crazypj Před rokem +1

      I tend to use synthetic oil on the toolbit to clear the swarf and prevent sticking. Mostly works OK

    • @artisanmakes
      @artisanmakes  Před rokem +2

      Yes I have heard someone say something similar. My understanding was that it was a puck of casting alloy that i was starting off with. But what alloy it is I don't exactly know.

    • @gaiustacitus4242
      @gaiustacitus4242 Před rokem

      @@artisanmakes Mixing copper into the aluminum greatly improves its tensile strength and makes it easier to machine.

  • @dennismichas285
    @dennismichas285 Před rokem

    Just for info ( perhaps useless) in my working career I was an electric motor specialist and did many “weird” tests and experiments. You can safely run a 4 pole motor at 100hZ without much loss of torque, however a 2 pole motor starts loosing torque at around 150% full speed ( 50hZ running at +/~ 75hZ)👍
    By the way keep going with your very interesting videos👍👌😁

    • @artisanmakes
      @artisanmakes  Před rokem

      Cheers thankyou

    • @dennismichas285
      @dennismichas285 Před rokem

      Also regarding use of a VSD , if you run at lower speed you need to think about cooling , I solve the problem with a “PC fan” mounted on the motor cowl

  • @coolfrost6
    @coolfrost6 Před rokem +2

    You can save the tools gummed up with aluminum if you put them in concentrad drain cleaner. It will eat the Alu and not the stel or carbide.

  • @vincei4252
    @vincei4252 Před rokem

    Recommendations, and I'm sure you've heard this hundreds of times :) Some annular cutters for the lather and a bandsaw. I want to cry every time you pull out your hacksaw.

    • @artisanmakes
      @artisanmakes  Před rokem +1

      Now that I have the new bigger motor annular cutters are at the top of my list to buy

    • @vincei4252
      @vincei4252 Před rokem

      @@artisanmakes Nice! Looking forward to seeing them put to good use!

  • @courierdog1941
    @courierdog1941 Před rokem

    The obvious solution is Paint the Motor either Red to match the Quill or Black to match the Frame. I would suggest Black. I think it will not stand out as much as the current Colour. I have a Similar machine from the Little Machine Shop so it is White and Blue. the increased HP will make some milling operations much easier. Having a very stiff column is essential to the Milling Platform,

  • @WmSrite-pi8ck
    @WmSrite-pi8ck Před rokem +2

    Brother, you need to use cutting oil and go much slower (RPMs) for a hole that size. And use more tool pressure. Clear the chips more frequently.
    PS: that's not a timing belt. It's a drive belt. Unless you guys call it that down under.
    Good work though.

    • @artisanmakes
      @artisanmakes  Před rokem +1

      Didn’t have much choose, drill stalled out on anything lower. And it had cuttin oil

    • @WmSrite-pi8ck
      @WmSrite-pi8ck Před rokem

      @@artisanmakes You can fashion a makeshift "drill press" by tack welding a rod or bar vertically in front of the hand drill, attaching another bar horizontally to the vertical such that it pivots up and down and then fastening the drill to the middle of the horizontal bar and guiding it with one hand and pulling down with the other on the horizontal bar.
      Might not have helped here, but it's a good trick to have in your tool bag.

  • @LittleAussieRockets
    @LittleAussieRockets Před rokem +1

    Overkill is underrated

  • @cjm5002
    @cjm5002 Před rokem +1

    Man, this hits too close to home lately. Breaking tools is a major bummer and lately I've been having about the exact same luck as what you've had in this vid. I'm pretty sure you know this already but just in case: I have 2 suggestions. Firstly, ryobi has a massive warranty on their cordless products. I always end up somehow magically burning up my 18v tools around 2-3 weeks before the warranty expires. At least here in the states we can just take them back to home depot and straight up swap the drills and such for brand new ones (not sure if you have that option on your side of the equator but its worth a shot?). The second has to do with your smelting and casting... don't quench in water like... ever. Always use oils and preheat your quenching fluid as much as possible first. You will reduce the chances of warps and stress fracturing your parts by doing so.
    Ive been watching your content for some time and I have to thank you for all the time you've put into these. I'm an old geezer but you and a couple other machinist channels have taught me so much I cant even calculate it. Cheers and thanks, my dude!

  • @RubenKelevra
    @RubenKelevra Před 11 měsíci

    7:54 a higher frequency is no issue. The frequency printed on them is just a measurement for the optimal conditions it was designed for. So you'll look at more heat loss at the same power output, if you run it with a higher frequency. So as long as you monitor the temperature of the motor, you're fine. I would expect 50% more energy-loss if you double the frequency - at least.
    So if the 3 HP motor is designed for say 800 W heat loss (75% efficiency). So to keep it within the 800 W heat loss, the casing is designed for, you can only run it at 2 HP continuously, that is.

  • @christiansrensen3810
    @christiansrensen3810 Před rokem

    The rabbit hole of
    needs tool to make tools.

  • @MarkWarbington
    @MarkWarbington Před rokem

    You are an amazingly stubborn man. 😁

  • @Engineerd3d
    @Engineerd3d Před rokem

    Been there, sometimes it's better to step away and regroup. Sometimes you have to tough it out though.

  • @Garfieldchr
    @Garfieldchr Před rokem

    Speaking of inserts made for aluminium... TiN coated inserts like the one shown are notorious for aluminium welding to them. Its better to use uncoated carbide for this. Also, if you squirt a little bit of isopropylalchohol on the workpiece will medigate this effect and lubricate for a much better surface finish. But please do this in a ventilated space only.
    Also: i love your channel - keep up making good content

    • @artisanmakes
      @artisanmakes  Před rokem

      Not my first choice but I broke all my uncoated inserts so I had to finish off with the coated ones

  • @mcgam2000
    @mcgam2000 Před rokem +1

    Replacement boards are available from 3 party sellers for less than $50.00 US here and there are many better DC controllers for that motor that will probably fit in that enclosure

    • @artisanmakes
      @artisanmakes  Před rokem

      Just goes to show how overpriced the OEM boards are.

  • @joemcgarry1106
    @joemcgarry1106 Před rokem +1

    Rigidity issues limit the effective use of HP.. My Bridgeport mill was built in 1948. It only has a 1/2 HP motor, yet it performs with excellence. As a mentor in the machine tool trade told me many years ago "rigidity is a key factor in all machining operations"

    • @artisanmakes
      @artisanmakes  Před rokem

      Yeah absolutely. This machine is just too light. With that said even with 1hp, this mill was pretty underpowered for large diameter drilling

    • @joemcgarry1106
      @joemcgarry1106 Před rokem

      @@artisanmakes Sure enough, the motor upgrade was a good improvement. I am looking forward to seeing the future rigidity improvements.

  • @user-tw9io9nz2m
    @user-tw9io9nz2m Před rokem

    Definitely has a bridgeport vibe to it 😂

  • @jrsydvl7218
    @jrsydvl7218 Před rokem

    I swapped my spindle pulley sleeve when I converted to a belt drive. I found the spline profile I needed on aliexpress and just turned it down to fit my bearing.

  • @goboyz8016
    @goboyz8016 Před rokem

    You could probably machine that aluminum with some WD40 or some lube while lathe machining. Aluminum likes to gum up without it. Great job with the upgrade.

  • @BarnyardEngineering
    @BarnyardEngineering Před rokem

    You could put this video to the tune of an old time country & western song... "My mill done died... My grinder done left me...."

  • @melgross
    @melgross Před rokem

    I hope that motor is inverter ready. I’ve converted several machines. I always take out the old motor, even when it’s three phase, as they aren’t suited for variable speed use. You can seriously damage a standard three phase motor using a VFD as a speed control device. At low speeds my motors can be used down to 6 rpm. It has torque compensation from 6 hz to 60 hz and constant speed from 60 to 120 hz. This is important as a three phase motor will lose serious torque at low speeds, pull a lot more current, and eventually burn out. Problems at high speeds as well.
    If you hear a whining sound as the speed is increased, increase the modulation frequency. The manual should give the recommended frequencies. Be careful of vibrations. VFDs really don’t like them. I mount mine with anti vibration mounts. Also, you can’t put them in close areas, you need room for good air circulation and heat removal. Talking from a lot of experience with these.

    • @artisanmakes
      @artisanmakes  Před rokem

      That’s already vents on the cover for cooling. I just didn’t add any extra.

    • @artisanmakes
      @artisanmakes  Před rokem

      Yes the manual goes into some detail
      On this. I just didn’t go into detail in the video.

  • @microwave-vh2uc
    @microwave-vh2uc Před rokem

    Will be keen to see how you make it more rigid. My 3.5 cuts ok with the standard motor but when I go in too hard everything starts to vibrate vibrates

  • @manuel39164
    @manuel39164 Před 6 měsíci

    Brow you are Asome you make all this parts Asome brow nice day from Europa Austria

  • @TradeWorks_Construction

    I hope you include some air vents for your VFD. Without proper air exchange for cooling almost all of these electronics will fail prematurely. Even with how cheap the VFD are, it’s more that it’s a pain in the ass to deal with. I wouldn’t leave heat dissipation up for chance by way of the machines mass, even a small vent on the underside of your new control board cover will help tremendously over none at all.
    If you really want a definitive answer, then just stick x1 thermocouple to the inside of the VFD case (to read the air temp immediately surrounding the circuitry) as well as one for the inside of that enclosed area (to read ambient air temp for VFD operations).

    • @artisanmakes
      @artisanmakes  Před rokem

      Turns out there’s already vents in the back cover

  • @electricalfive2248
    @electricalfive2248 Před rokem +1

    6:50 Dang, you got a 5 Morse Taper belt? haha

  • @DH-xw6jp
    @DH-xw6jp Před rokem +1

    You might take the board to a electronic repair shop (make sure they know what the board goes to) and see if they can't figure out which part popped, it might be a cheap fix.

  • @SvdSinner
    @SvdSinner Před rokem

    Not much of a commercial for Ryobi Drills . . . Also, I love the idea of writing the purchase date onto your tools.

    • @ChristopherGoggans
      @ChristopherGoggans Před rokem +1

      Eh, I used them for several years at my previous job. I burned up a couple drills too, but they're much cheaper than Dewalt or Milwaukee, and seemed to be quite solid for the price, especially their new brushless stuff. Again, to each their own lol.
      Another good cheap option seems to be Harbor Freight's new Hercules stuff. In Torque Test Channel's recent tests, it blew out everyone including Milwaukee and Dewalt for half the price.

    • @dragonwing4ever
      @dragonwing4ever Před rokem

      the brushless ryobis do great, I've had mine for 3 years now can't fault it

    • @Celcius1
      @Celcius1 Před rokem

      Ryobi is great for seldom use and light work, but if your doing something more heavier its better to go with known recognised trade brands like Makita, or Dewalt, etc. but they also come with a price tag to match, in excess of $400 to $500

    • @Celcius1
      @Celcius1 Před rokem

      @@Grauenwolf he is not mate, he's an aussie like myself, bunnings is the australian equivalent of home depot in the states

  • @thetooth
    @thetooth Před rokem

    btw, the type of VFD you have there is designed for running things like fans, it drops the voltage as your RPM decreases to maintain constant current across the coils for maximum longevity of the motor. Thats why the torque is so poor when trying to drill large diameter holes. Two things you can do to improve the performance, swap out the VFD for a sensorless vector drive unit, these provide way more torque at lower rpms and can recover if the motor begins to stall. Next would be to replace the silly 3HP motor for a 1 1/2HP one with 6 poles as apposed to 4. Due the the lower rotor mass the max speed is far higher than the plate speed, that number is simply what the motor will run at when connected directly to 3 phase power while you will find that the same motor model family with 2 poles has a plate speed of 3600rpm with 150% overrun margin so you actual self disassembly speed is like 6k+ RPM lmao.

    • @artisanmakes
      @artisanmakes  Před rokem

      Whilst this motor wasn’t my first choice, I don’t want to make it out like I have little torque at low speed. It’s quite a lot for what it is. I am sure we can do better but I’m over sinking money into motors and drive units

    • @thetooth
      @thetooth Před rokem

      @@artisanmakes haha, that's always the way. I ended up changing to a gear head machine myself so no more torque problems. But you will end up running into trouble with annular cutters with that setup, you simply wont have enough HP at the speeds those work at, for everything else you should be okay.

    • @artisanmakes
      @artisanmakes  Před rokem

      I am a bit jealous of that. A geared mill is something I’d like to get my hands on one day. Cheers

  • @raymondsanderson304
    @raymondsanderson304 Před rokem +1

    You really should have bought the Plasma cutter from ALDI 2 weeks ago and the air nibbler. Haven't used mine yet.

  • @kickinthegob
    @kickinthegob Před rokem

    Mate, you desperately need a drill press. It will save you a ton of time and effort and reduce tool breakage. I would also recommend getting a set of annular cutters rather than using a hole saw. Alternatively, you can drill some holes around the diameter of the holesaw to allow the swarf to fall through. It will prevent you from overheating the holesaw and breaking teeth off on swarf.
    Also, when machining gummy aluminium, you can touch up the carbide on a diamond hone to give it a sharp edge. Also, give it generous servings of WD40 while cutting it and this will help reduce chipwelding.

  • @DontCallMeGarage
    @DontCallMeGarage Před rokem

    @artisan makes ... look into the settings for your VFD, there should be a setting that lets you modify the torque values at low frequencies and even boost the torque throughout the rpm range.

  • @adamh7644
    @adamh7644 Před rokem +1

    I smiled when I saw the angle grinder plug on the floor. "We've all done this" 😂 even with cheap tools you don't let it hold the build back! Well done

  • @allanpowell7208
    @allanpowell7208 Před rokem

    Try always using ally bronze copper 90% , aluminium 10% Always machines well. You got the furnace on anyway and it looks better.

  • @user-fi6uu8jx5h
    @user-fi6uu8jx5h Před rokem

    you destroyed the mini lathe with this 3hp motor!!
    now the time for new mill

  • @yodasbff3395
    @yodasbff3395 Před rokem

    Your conversion was very well done, thanks for sharing 👍.

  • @Levisgil47
    @Levisgil47 Před rokem

    Talking about rigidity,, Will you get rid of the back plate you mounted to strenghen the mill?
    Thanks for the video

    • @artisanmakes
      @artisanmakes  Před rokem

      Not at all it is still there, it makes a huge difference. The motor controller housing bolts directly to it. Cheer

  • @bobweiram6321
    @bobweiram6321 Před rokem +1

    Feeds and speeds also apply to holes saws and drill bits. You ran them too fast for steel. If your cutters ever get gummed up, use lye or drain cleaner to dissolve away the aluminum. Also, use kerosene, or even better coconut butter as a lubricant to prevent the aluminum from sticking.

    • @artisanmakes
      @artisanmakes  Před rokem

      Well yes but the drill stalled out going slower. Not like I have much choice here on the speed. Cheers

    • @bobweiram6321
      @bobweiram6321 Před rokem

      @@artisanmakes Oh, yeah. They were cordless. It's why I still have my 30 year old Makita drill. I can dial it down to a crawl and still have lot's of torque. The Brushless are supposed to be better in that regard as well. You can clutch them down.

  • @Lucas_sGarage
    @Lucas_sGarage Před rokem +7

    For sure the hp line of Ryobi is a lot better that the compact line of one+
    Get a 3d printer, it would had made the job of getting a pulley much easier (and trust me, printed parts are much stronger that what usually people give credit for)

    • @Kineth1
      @Kineth1 Před rokem

      Heck, he could even have done a bit of lost-PLA casting with that aluminium puck.

    • @Lucas_sGarage
      @Lucas_sGarage Před rokem

      @@Kineth1 agreed

  • @HM-Projects
    @HM-Projects Před rokem

    Try ptparts in Australia for pulleys. They're very competitively priced and sometimes even cheaper than ones on eBay / AliExpress.

  • @DiHandley
    @DiHandley Před rokem

    So are you saying a geared head mill would be better? I have the exact same lathe as you, and now I’m looking at buying a mill from Machinery Warehouse in Melbourne. Any recommendations? Great channel. 👍

  • @65cj55
    @65cj55 Před rokem

    Cool.

  • @garypreen3175
    @garypreen3175 Před rokem

    When you go above base frequency you will trade speed for torque, however comparing the torque curve of this motor to your last motor id suggest even at 2x base speed torque will still be greater

    • @artisanmakes
      @artisanmakes  Před rokem

      Yeah it seems to be like this. For what it’s worth I rarely go above 1500rpm unless it’s that rare part that needs a small endmill. Cheers

  • @gangleweed
    @gangleweed Před rokem

    Getting there is the easy part......going there is the hard part.......BTDT is the history of achievement.

  • @OWSNubbles
    @OWSNubbles Před rokem

    That ending sounds suspiciously like he's going to upgrade to a new mill as well...

  • @WhiteVaille
    @WhiteVaille Před rokem

    When milling aluminum, have you tried using isopropyl alcohol as a cutting fluid? I don't know how much of a difference it would actually make, but supposedly it's a suitable fluid to help manage surface tension of aluminum.

  • @b3dubbs72
    @b3dubbs72 Před rokem

    That huge motor on top seems like it would introduce quite a moment and create a vibration nightmare. (edit: called it, lol)

    • @artisanmakes
      @artisanmakes  Před rokem +1

      Not sure if it was clear but the vibrations aren't any worse when running at the old depths of cuts. This machine lacks the mass and rigidity to take the deeper cuts, which is the cause of the vibrations, not the motor, at least that seems to be the case. Although im not sure that the big motor placed there helps that much Cheers

  • @nathanquinlan2719
    @nathanquinlan2719 Před rokem

    I have a $20 angle grinder from Walmart that I dislike using and will replace with something better.
    6 years on and it just won't die.
    $1500 miniPC bought same time died last year.
    such is life

  • @jheurtin1120
    @jheurtin1120 Před rokem

    Ryobi translates to disappointment in English. And I heard you say doo doo in the video, hahaha