Do Nashville ABR-1 Adaptors Ruin Vintage Tone?

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  • čas přidán 26. 07. 2024
  • A few months ago, I made a video comparing the Four Uncles Restorations ABR-1 bridge to some of its competitors - with some interesting results. But underneath that video, Dave Stephens (one of the Four Uncles behind that ABR-1!) left a couple of comments - and he had some views on the particular guitar that I was auditioning his bridge with.
    Specifically, I mentioned in the intro of that video that (being a guitar built around a modern Nashville bridge) I was having to use some Royal Mount adaptor inserts to allow me to install a vintage-spec ABR-1. But Dave is of the opinion that inserting a lump of metal under the bridge is terrible for the tone of the guitar; and that the video wasn't a useful experiment as a result.
    That got me thinking - just HOW much difference does using the inserts make compared to having the thread going directly into the wood top? So, I purchased another set of Royal Mount fittings - this time with just the threads designed to screw directly into the top of a guitar - and decided to perform a little surgery on my Lester. In this video, you will see me plug the existing holes with some hardwood Maple; and then re-drill down through the dowel to accommodate the vintage-spec posts. Then, we can find out exactly how bad the Nashville inserts are for the tone, by keeping everything else exactly the same.
    What do you think? Was there a difference? And if so, is it worth being concerned about? Comment below!
    Guitar is a Gibson Les Paul Standard w/ ThroBak SLE-101 PAFs. Amps are a Dr Z EZG 50 & a Vajra JTM45 clone.
    Amps running into a Zilla Studio Pro 2x12 cabinet loaded with Celestion AlNiCo Gold & G12M Heritage Greenback speakers. Recorded with Aston Spirit Condenser, '70s Sennheiser MD441 and sE RNR1 ribbon mics, with a Schoeps CMC6 room mic. Spring reverb is a Dr Z Z-Verb unit.
    0:00 Intro
    4:21 What Are We Doing?
    5:38 Making The Conversion
    8:02 Clean Playing
    11:23 Gain Playing
    15:01 Outro
    jp@joeperkins.co.uk
    Vector images by freepik.com
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Komentáře • 109

  • @royalmountguitars6081
    @royalmountguitars6081 Před 4 měsíci +16

    Hi Joe, thanks for making this video. I would like to point out to your followers that I have not made any endorsements and that you actually purchased the Royal Mount 50 soft brass thumbwheels and posts kit. Regarding the adapters vs traditional posts test, there is one thing to consider: many adapter manufacturers make them in steel and not in soft brass or if they are in brass they are harder modern alloys with a very different resonance compared to soft brass. From my point of view, a guitar created with a Nashville bridge by switching to ABR-1 with soft brass adapters manages to get very close to the sound of a guitar created with the posts screwed directly into the wood. Obviously the mass of brass is different and the equalization compared to the traditional ABR-1 posts will be slightly different. But consider that soft brass manages to sweeten the high frequencies and manages to give more presence and "body" to the medium frequencies. The low frequencies are never muddy and the notes can be distinguished very well. As a final consideration, I would really like to talk to you about the soft brass that I use for Royal Mount because I believe I am the only one in the world who uses NOS (new old stock) bars that are at least 70 years old. I and many other guitarists have heard a notable difference between NOS soft brass and recent soft brass. Probably the way of making this alloy has changed over the years and this translates into a more distant sound compared to the sound of the "bursts" which are our point of reference. Thank you again for choosing Royal Mount and congratulations on the excellent work!

    • @JoePerkinsMusic
      @JoePerkinsMusic  Před 4 měsíci +7

      Thanks for all of your thoughts & the information. And yep - the Nashville adaptors. the plain threads & both sets of thumbwheels were all bought at full retail price on Reverb! :-)

    • @davidduncan5495
      @davidduncan5495 Před 10 dny +1

      Royal Mount, Great point on alloy and they're tonal responses! Always a critical element! I'll look at you offerings! Thanks

  • @gazb2069
    @gazb2069 Před 4 měsíci +9

    Never , ever apologise for nerding Perks , i love this channel

  • @ChristopherHolmgren
    @ChristopherHolmgren Před 6 dny +1

    Just the video I was looking for! Thanks for doing the work and sharing. I think you took that guitar up a notch for sure. This definitely made me feel more open to buying a Nashville style and converting.

  • @Devalab
    @Devalab Před měsícem

    I've seen the previous video and it was a brilliant one. I saw the comments and didn't expect such a pro-level reaction, bravo! This video is excellent!

  • @EL34Quartett
    @EL34Quartett Před 28 dny +3

    Thank you very much for the very helpful video. I actually did my own a/b test with my Nashville to Faber upgrade and considered installing dowels as well. Looks as if it's easier to tweak an EQ to come very close. Given there's a drummer nearby who ruins the subtle tone changes of my abr-1 bridge efforts anyway.

  • @davidduncan5495
    @davidduncan5495 Před 10 dny

    Not only are you a great guitar player who really presents super comparisons on gear, speakers, pedals, etc. You really have it down! *SPECIAL NOTE: You really should make a solo music album, or possibly collaborate with other artists, virtually even! You are literally That Good OF A MUSICIAN, if you can Let Go of the Tech side of things!
    That said, I can see in your expression, that you showed concern (or uncertainty?) at the extra mass and EQ response of the Nashville, including the muddiness. Ha, you tell a lot through your reactions, in a good, natural, translative way.
    Beyond your normal comparison videos, I'm surprised that you went outside the box to Mod and "Luthier" for the ABR Posts! Nice work, and the stain worked well. Way to show how easy it can actually be.
    I do ABR-1 Posts for every LP, whenever required, because I'm a die hard vintage guy.
    Great Point on the EQ compensation, whether either way! I suppose if you were going for Mick Ronson or anything heavier, then Nashville will do it. But if you want Vintage Air and Acoustic Wood, then ABR Posts are the way to go.
    Great presentation, as always! Thank You!

  • @Kevin-the-Just
    @Kevin-the-Just Před 4 měsíci +9

    I did the whole ’59 thing to my 2016 Les Paul Traditional. It now has the Faber bridge with the screw-in stud inserts, Monty’s PAFs, 50s wiring and lightweight aluminium tailpiece. With a set of amber top-hats it now has that '59 look and I'm really pleased with the outcome. Tonally, the differences are mostly due to the pickups. Functionally, the Nashville is the better bridge. It has a wider intonation range, doesn't collapse over time and it could be argued that, due its greater mass, it has more sustain. These are definitive improvements, right? If the Nashville had come first the purists would now be complaining that the 'new' ABR-1 is cheap, flimsy and "ruins the vintage tone".

    • @scarcam
      @scarcam Před 4 měsíci

      I've had many LPs over the years with both Nashville and ABR-1's, the most resonant guitars I would say were the Nashville variants, but I suspect nothing to do with the bridge on those particular guitars

    • @billyboy1093
      @billyboy1093 Před 3 měsíci +2

      Great point Kevin, just imagine if these "purists" spent as much time actually playing their instrument as they do fretting (pun intended) over all these nuances when touch, amplification, effects and yes pickups play such a huge part in the sonic character of the guitar.

    • @mygabrielle7477
      @mygabrielle7477 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @kevin. So true I often wonder if the Nashville came out first what the purest would think?! The owner of a big guitar store here in New Orleans owns a number of Gibsons and fenders from the 1950’s that I’ve had the privilege to be able to play. And they are unbelievable playing and sounding guitars. But people sometimes do get too caught up nailing the exact specs and I’ve found myself guilty of falling for the same nostalgia. But I’ve played many outstanding guitar’s from different eras and makers in my last 35 years of playing. A great guitar is a great guitar

    • @davidduncan5495
      @davidduncan5495 Před 10 dny

      I have also heard that Nashvilles do have more sustain vs the ABR Posts, good point!

    • @qua7771
      @qua7771 Před 8 dny

      You can't assume it's mostly the pickups unless you did them both separately.

  • @jackgilbert5914
    @jackgilbert5914 Před 4 měsíci +2

    🙏 nice one for actually deep diving on this idea Joe! I’ve been emotionally torn about this subject for a while. I want to love the old school build and sound but at the end of the day in my situation (and in this video) the Nashville bridge is always more well rounded and balanced across all 6 strings no mater what the guitar (which avoids needing to process the sound as much - pedal or post amp outboard in a studio setting) I think when the guitar is amazing it doesn’t matter at all what’s going on spec wise. But in general the Nashville situation seems to be stronger and more consistent sonically especially in a band live or studio setting, the pokiness of an abr1 is something to bare witness too, but by lord do you need to be a great player to make the most of that old tech, it’s more raw - but unfortunately people lack the skills to pull off the old stuff like musicians used too… anyway great video, all the best man appreciate ya! (I totally agree with you btw haha) 🙌

  • @alexandrepalet9601
    @alexandrepalet9601 Před měsícem +1

    Huge difference, thanks!

  • @Sollazzon
    @Sollazzon Před 4 měsíci +1

    Man! This is an Outstanding video! (No problem at all here about its length) You did a great Job.. I dont konw how many outhere wolud mod their 92 "Good wood" LP to full test adaptors!..and Yes I appreciate the Royal Mount product too! ❤❤ Well Done Boys Well Done! Keep on Rocking!

  • @Subropontes
    @Subropontes Před 4 měsíci +7

    Definitely could hear the difference and it was much bigger than I was expecting, I agree with your impression. The adaptors definitely added more metallic zing and fizz and straight into the wood is definitely smoother and more pleasant to my ears. Thank you for always doing way too much work to compare super subtle things that most people don’t really care about, I really appreciate your videos!

  • @MarkB.Guitar
    @MarkB.Guitar Před 4 měsíci +2

    Joe, I appreciate your commitment to guitar nerdery and tonal experiments. I'm always impressed with your ability to play the same thing twice so accurately for comparisons - something I'm rubbish at! I agree that straight into the wood does sound more woody and the adapters do sound brighter. A small change, or inaudible change even, for most people, probably, but the kind of thing that makes a massive difference to those of us obsessed with tone and chasing sound who are kept up at night by this kind of thing 😂

  • @klontart
    @klontart Před 4 měsíci +4

    I thought the difference was quite obvious! The adapters seem to add another layer of metallic top tones, while the straight in the wood approach yielded a more pure, less complex tone with added low mids. Big change imo.

    • @qua7771
      @qua7771 Před 8 dny +1

      I used the conversion studs in an Orville by Gibson. I agree.

  • @kosmonument2682
    @kosmonument2682 Před 20 dny +1

    I agree with your assessment. You can EQ this tone change easily with your amp, and as soon as you put any gain in the mix the difference disappears. Thanks for doing this so I don't have to. :D

  • @cdemike7517
    @cdemike7517 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I’m also hearing the slight increase in highs and upper mids with the adapter studs vs. the treaded studs. I know it’s heresy, but I kind of preferred it in the specific clips I heard, but you’re absolutely right that it could be likely be eq’d one way or another on the amp with pretty similar effects.
    Did you notice a difference in resonance vs. the stock Nashville setup? I see people say the Faber conversion studs say their guitars were noticeably louder with the conversion studs, but I haven’t seen many from sources I trust as much as your channel. Thanks for the video!

  • @ac30lifestyle
    @ac30lifestyle Před 4 měsíci +1

    I appreciate you asking the question. It's one that I was curious about. Thanks for the comparison. The Nashville has a bit more top end to my ears. At a live gig though,the difference probably wouldn't be noticed,but for sure the Nashville would cut through the mix better.That said ,with a tad of EQ,they would sound the same live.So,I'll keep my Nashville bridge on my Les Paul. Great video Joe 🤝

  • @JasonSmith-mf7xg
    @JasonSmith-mf7xg Před 2 měsíci

    thank you and well done

  • @biohazard8295
    @biohazard8295 Před 3 měsíci +2

    I have a LP Studio with a Nashville bridge. I bought a Gotoh Abr type bridge and the studs are too thin for the stock thread on the studio. I bought a Faber m4 to m5 converter, seeing that the Gotoh has m4 screws and the stock bridge has m5 screws. I hope it turns out good, because i was soo excited to upgrade my guitar, i also bought an aged brass tailpiece that looks awesome.The gotoh bridge is also aged and looks cool.

  • @thedaver8
    @thedaver8 Před 4 měsíci +19

    If there is a difference, it's so subtle that modifying a guitar doesn't seem worth the hassle

    • @Les537
      @Les537 Před 4 měsíci

      CZcams compression is eating it before you can hear it. Also, he's playing chords - overlapping notes. You can hear it best playing single notes, but it is a subtle thing.

    • @nmzindian
      @nmzindian Před 24 dny

      Now ur talkin'

    • @qua7771
      @qua7771 Před 8 dny

      That's a false assumption. I've had this go two different ways.

  • @TheChadPad
    @TheChadPad Před 2 měsíci +2

    That’s actually a drastic difference. This video has convinced me to do the same thing to my guitar. Thank you

  • @Migueltxum
    @Migueltxum Před 4 měsíci +2

    Interesting video, thank you! But You skipped the part that I wanted to see...how did you install the threaded...threads directly on the wood? Are they threaded all the long? how did you do it? Because I'm thinking about doing the same thing. And...did you notice problems on intonation? because if you install them a little offset, you may run out of length on the saddles to intonate...I would really like to know about theses things. Thanks anyway for posting it!!

  • @These_go_to_eleven_1959
    @These_go_to_eleven_1959 Před 4 měsíci +4

    The adapter tone is more pokey and spikey to the ears where as the Post's going into the wood are more focused and warm. I prefer the post's into the wood tone.

  • @YooTooobJeff
    @YooTooobJeff Před 22 dny

    Dave might be wrong in this instance conceptually, the contact points are the upper surfaces of the thumbwheels/ABR and the outermost edges of the post threads/ABR, BOTH tenuous transmission surfaces at best for any vibrations...
    BUT it may be those innocuous imperfections that in fact help make for the vintage sound overall...

  • @johnwebb2562
    @johnwebb2562 Před 4 měsíci

    Hi Joe . It was a great video😅, I notice the sound with threads directly into the wood seem to have less hi mid/hi frequencies its as if the wood absorbed them. Maybe that's what a lot of Vintage player fans want .Take a look at Steve Morse,s guitar with the claw type anchor ,its got alot more surface area to allow a better resonance response giving you more Mid/highs. I did this particular mod to LTD Guitar with a AB type bridge and it sounds a lot brighter than the original through ferrole design. I suppose in the end it depends whichever way you like it. Best 👍 regards. John😊

  • @macktk0256
    @macktk0256 Před 4 měsíci

    Interesting. I put a Faber ABR/Posts in a 90s LP Custom to 50fy it and am very happy - don't think I'll get the dowels and wood glue out after watching this. But I do think the screwed into wood sound is a bit tighter and less toppy (mostly but not always a good thing!). Very grateful for the comparison. It's nice having the look of an ABR but it was the OX4 pick ups that unsurprisingly made the biggest difference. Do you think the ThroBak's are worth the premium? Your LP mod videos have given great insight. Thanks.

  • @argocat99
    @argocat99 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I did the same thing in my standard Les Paul, where before I had the Faber adapters, honestly I didn't hear any substantial differences, I think the differences are more emotional than auditory but... maybe I'm wrong, however I like the fact that the pin is fixed directly into the wood 😊

  • @Shamilt3
    @Shamilt3 Před 27 dny

    My 19 classic modded vintage is a bright guitar overall. This is the only thing i havent gone after yet, the bridge was replaced but not with 4 uncles yet.

  • @deanrichards2584
    @deanrichards2584 Před měsícem +1

    Hi, and first, thanks for doing the work for this experiment.
    So to my ears, on my Samsung S11+ phone speakers, studs directly into the wood dulled the tone ever so slightly and with the adaptor inserts it sounds slightly brighter and more sustainy? If that's a word...
    Over all if I had no idea there was a change I wouldn't have noticed a difference.
    I will like to listen on quality speakers and see if I still conclude the same.
    Dean Richards

  • @colmkelly5524
    @colmkelly5524 Před 4 měsíci +1

    There is a difference though I couldn’t say one is better than the other.
    It would be interesting to hear what adding a second set of thumbwheels to the vintage correct posts would do. From my own experience doing this gives similar results as what I hear with the adapter bushings.

  • @hgostos
    @hgostos Před 4 měsíci +1

    Great video. Are those adaptors the ones made by Faber out of brass, Joe?

    • @JoePerkinsMusic
      @JoePerkinsMusic  Před 4 měsíci +3

      They're the Royal Mount adaptors - but they are indeed Soft Brass; very similar to the Fabers! :-)

  • @jeremiahMc11
    @jeremiahMc11 Před 4 měsíci

    Hey Joe! Do you think the percentage diffrence between the Nashville to the ABR is the same percentage between the adapters and the threads into wood?

  • @endoalley680
    @endoalley680 Před 4 měsíci

    Ever put some KT titanium saddles into an ABR-1 ? Maybe good to mask stuff off and use protection before the tools come out. Artist brush for the finish touchup? Anyhow, finished product sounds great.

  • @jhneilson
    @jhneilson Před 4 měsíci +1

    I have a 2001 LP Studio that I've had for almost 20 years now, and a 2018 '58 reissue LP I've had for about 6 months. Even just acoustically, the '58 reissue is brighter, clearer, and louder sounding than the Studio, and I think the bridge + studs have a lot to do with that.
    There are two other things that I think significantly contribute to the acoustic differences. For one, the finish thickness on the Studio is definitely a little thicker, which dampens the sound a bit. For two, I suspect the Studio has the "rocker" neck joint, which is not a very tight joint and robs the guitar of some resonance. It's still a great guitar, but definitely different than the reissue.
    Love seeing your comparison videos, Joe. I can tell lots of work and care goes into these!!

    • @mygabrielle7477
      @mygabrielle7477 Před 2 měsíci +1

      I have a 2001 LP standard. That’s an amazing sounding guitar. It had the typical Gibson Nashville style bridge but I did put an aluminum one with titanium saddles and it definitely sounds brighter, even louder acoustically. I also put wcr pickups and vintage bumblebee caps and it sounds insane!! It has a chirp to it when played clean and has that cool honk a LP should have with some overdrive. Only thing I don’t like about it is it’s fairly heavy

  • @colmkelly5524
    @colmkelly5524 Před 4 měsíci

    It’s also worth noting that the only difference between that traditional studs and the adapter studs from Royal Mount is the quantity of metal on the lower portion.
    Both types are solid pieces of the same metal. There are other adapter studs that have separate thimbles and posts and as a result likely give a different result again.

  • @Williamwerenberg
    @Williamwerenberg Před 4 měsíci +1

    Massive difference!

  • @paulallas7665
    @paulallas7665 Před měsícem

    I did this also to my SG Standard '61 Maestro. But I used a set of Kluson 4mm to 8mm adaptor posts. They screwed directly into the hole left buy the weird Nashville style inserts. No plugging or redrilling required. The ABR1 bridge then fit perfectly with hardly any movement or rattling after. Perfect for the Maestro vibrola.

    • @JoePerkinsMusic
      @JoePerkinsMusic  Před měsícem +1

      This was more a comparison of using any adaptors vs the threads going straight into the wood (like the 50s guitars).

  • @YooTooobJeff
    @YooTooobJeff Před 18 hodinami

    Any settings on the app negate the guitar differences with any effects whatsoever

  • @24secondsperframe68
    @24secondsperframe68 Před 3 měsíci

    Good for you Joe. The difference to my ears through relatively balanced headphones is too subtle for the hype or indeed the purist admonishments regarding inserts or direct contact. Your playing and your '92 standard outshined it all anyway.

  • @itsmikee1994
    @itsmikee1994 Před 4 měsíci

    I do hear a slight difference, but saying that I feel that we sort of get into the area of diminishing returns! But there we are, it did make a difference. Maybe a little more top end on the metal adapter, but nothing that an EQ can't fix!

  • @billgaber4282
    @billgaber4282 Před 4 měsíci

    I'm writing before watching your ending. I hear a more woody tone with the mod, more attack with the adapters. I can imagine wanting both sounds at the ready for different songs.

  • @jordanprysmiki5361
    @jordanprysmiki5361 Před měsícem +1

    I didn't think I would hear a difference, but damn. I really did. I wouldn't say the adapters killed your tone? Because it's definitely something you can maybe dial out. It's in the 5-6.5khz range. A tinny and more shrill sound. The posts directly into wood Definitely round out the sound a lot more and make it sound open lot more warm.

  • @skullheadwater9839
    @skullheadwater9839 Před 17 dny

    Did you do a video comparing the Throbak's to the stock P'ups?

  • @PatatoKeftes
    @PatatoKeftes Před 8 dny

    Well, of course your bridge comparison video was not pointless due to the adaptors, of course not.
    I believe that Dave's reaction and critisism was exaggerated, however I do think he had a point.
    The tone difference is perceivable and that might not be significant enough for many.
    But if you go to such lengths to get vintage sound out of your LP, getting 600$ pickups, 200$ vintage spec wiring harness and a 400$ bridge (assuming you can even find one), then it makes a lot of sense to make a small modification in order to get 100% of your money's worth.
    If you look at it from Dave's perspective, those people spend years and fortunes researching and experimenting and tooling so that they can meticulously recreate something important. And then you come and half-ass it, I kind of understand it.
    Good comparison video though and ,more importantly, a video with answers to difficult questions.

  • @user-df9fd3jh1c
    @user-df9fd3jh1c Před 19 dny +2

    Didn't hear any drastic differences

  • @These_go_to_eleven_1959
    @These_go_to_eleven_1959 Před 4 měsíci

    Did you get the brass post's and thumbwheels? I am assuming Royal Mount does the vintage correct parts?

  • @BradRocker
    @BradRocker Před 4 měsíci +3

    Yeah I tried this experiment myself and found the same. Into wood all the way for vintage tone anyway.

  • @JerryWhite-ee5hy
    @JerryWhite-ee5hy Před dnem

    I hear a great difference.

  • @gstube1
    @gstube1 Před 3 dny

    Prefer the threads directly into wood. It's worth IMO if you are a tone chaser. Better to cut the dowels a bit short to avoid the risk of damaging the top.

  • @frankwren8215
    @frankwren8215 Před měsícem

    It's super tempting to do this because it doesn't look like a huge job to do, but man... I can't honestly say I hear any difference.
    Although, doing it this way is cheaper than using the adapters.... I think I'll do it to both my main LPs.

  • @standingbadger
    @standingbadger Před 4 měsíci

    Perhaps a tad more brightness in the sound with the adapters? It's certainly not ruined the tone as far as I can hear. I would personally prefer the slight enhancement of the highs, if that's what it is, but it's very likely you're hearing more than I can through (fairly decent) headphones. If one or the other is changing the feel of it for you then adopt to direct-into-top/revert to adapters as you see fit. Not a game-changer here. Loverly LP!

  • @bradt.3555
    @bradt.3555 Před 11 dny

    Another thing is what kind of wood is the doweling? On a abr gibson the 6/32 stud goes into maple (very hard wood) then some mahogany, most standard doweling is poplar, a softer hard wood, then depending on how tight the dowel is prob. a tad bit of glue.

    • @JoePerkinsMusic
      @JoePerkinsMusic  Před 11 dny

      Hard wood maple 👍

    • @bradt.3555
      @bradt.3555 Před 11 dny

      @@JoePerkinsMusic Cool, I'm gonna have to find some. Was it bought that way or did you make the dowling from a piece of maple?

  • @2dazetake
    @2dazetake Před 9 dny

    Did you notice a difference, couldn't tell over on our end, if there was any difference, maybe just slightly warmer sounding directly into the body, you tube sound test are hard.

  • @SidLives
    @SidLives Před 21 dnem

    IMHO it comes down to performance vs cost ratio, if you can afford it why not, if your cranking it out with another guitar, Bass, Drums at 100 db will you hear it? It does look cool though

  • @filipematias2239
    @filipematias2239 Před 4 měsíci

    i've done this. its not worthy it in terms of tone but if you like it better this way, thats super valid!

  • @jancreighton
    @jancreighton Před 4 měsíci +1

    given a choice, I prefer the wood - but as you say, it's not night and day

  • @YooTooobJeff
    @YooTooobJeff Před 22 dny

    It may be erroneous to believe that string vibrations (with a relatively short "half life"/decay) can get that large solid body of wood (which is actually two or more pieces of wood) to sympathetically vibrate in any meaningful way, never mind enough to be audible...
    If anything the mounting systems tested exhibit not differences in transmission but more their resistance to same with feeds the harmonics back through the strings to the pickups...
    Or something like that 😉😎

  • @JONNIE_ROCKER
    @JONNIE_ROCKER Před 4 měsíci +2

    Some frequencies just sounds better with original abr-1. 👍👍🍺

  • @passionplayer7
    @passionplayer7 Před 4 měsíci +4

    Definitely could hear a difference and your thoughts are pretty much on the money. I can say there was a huge difference replacing the standard abr1 to the Faber with the adapters on my Heritage and it was all for the better. Quality of the metal likely matters as much as how you use it. Cheers!

    • @tracystamatakis
      @tracystamatakis Před 4 měsíci +2

      Thank you for your input. I will try changing mine also to a Faber.

    • @HollisCKoon
      @HollisCKoon Před 2 měsíci

      I always search out steel blocks! Saddles & height adjustment steel screws. For all 16 of my strats ! Steel is the sustain & tone! Period. Doing the same on my chibsons. Steel tone & good pickups are the TONE.

  • @monkeybrains
    @monkeybrains Před 4 měsíci +2

    Night and day

  • @paternuin
    @paternuin Před měsícem

    If the Nashville had been the one mounted in the 50's and the ABR a later model, everyone would prefer it aesthetically and also claim it sounds better. I much prefer it, is a better engineering system. The tailpiece also has bushings and nobody asks in this case for a direct threaded contact with the wood.

  • @bradt.3555
    @bradt.3555 Před 11 dny

    Well, listened to the clean about a half dozen times without watching which was which n absolutely could not tell when the switch was. more difference in strumming n picking than inserts.

  • @davidrees1840
    @davidrees1840 Před 4 měsíci +3

    That Four Uncles stuff is a tough sell -someone would need magic ears to really benefit from a $450 ABR-1 bridge and the conversion to threads into wood. I'm a Les Paul guy, but have no interest in recapturing every detail of '58-'60s bursts -R9 hardtail, a Nashville or ABR-1 that won't collapse (steel, probably), Axcess heel and cutaway, p-p phase, and I'm happy. Pickups TBD, as always :p

    • @These_go_to_eleven_1959
      @These_go_to_eleven_1959 Před 4 měsíci

      I was getting ready to buy one for my Historic R9 and was talked out of it by someone on the forums who bought one and told me that compared to a Faber ABR-1 it was not worth it. The Faber is only $80 and i already have one so he said save your money? I do like the Faber and have no real complaints about it. Faber's is better than the stock Gibson one. that one was very bright and harsh.

    • @davidrees1840
      @davidrees1840 Před 4 měsíci

      @@These_go_to_eleven_1959 I agree -both my LP bridges collapsed about 15 yrs ago, and I replaced one with a Gibson and the other with a Faber (both Nashville), and they're very good and a reasonable price. That's all I need -I can never tell a tonal difference in these tests (using ref monitors). For a kit guitar I bough a Chinese (Musiclilly) tune-o-matic bridge and tail, and it's pretty damn good too, for ~$25 for both (but metric)!

    • @These_go_to_eleven_1959
      @These_go_to_eleven_1959 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@davidrees1840 Yeah for me the Faber is as good as it gets for a ABR-1 bridge. Funny thing is the guy who was in on the design of that Four uncles $450 bridge used a Faber for years before it came out!😂I think at some point this stuff becomes insane and i would rather just play my Guitar.

    • @davidrees1840
      @davidrees1840 Před 4 měsíci +2

      @@These_go_to_eleven_1959 Like Frank said "shut up and play your guitar!". I'm with you, but I do love videos of super-high-end products, like $1000 silver-wound pickups.

    • @These_go_to_eleven_1959
      @These_go_to_eleven_1959 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@davidrees1840 👍

  • @hazzasdomain
    @hazzasdomain Před 4 měsíci

    The abr 1 is soaking the body differently thus it sounds softer than the nashville

  • @thesjkexperience
    @thesjkexperience Před 4 měsíci

    No hide glue? They make cold hide glue now, but hot is better. Makes me wonder if the longer bushings I use in my builds are messing with true vintage tone? Page is my only real influence that played a LP, just a F guy. I could hear the difference even with iPad speakers, but better? Ymmv and all that. The original has a metal sound.

    • @Shamilt3
      @Shamilt3 Před 27 dny

      You mean the linger tail piece bushings? I changed to vintage correct on those along with everything else (not at same time) everything wad an added benefit over stock 19 classic.

  • @bradt.3555
    @bradt.3555 Před 12 dny

    Well Pots, wire, caps, that's all cool for vintage looks but really have little to no effect on tone. The bridge and studs can have some effect cause it transfers the string vibration to the body. In the real world it still is a large part looks. If you giged with it stock then modded, if blind folded even a guitar player couldn't say "oh thats more vintage sounding". Looks are cool, I have an R8 and have changed a couple small things to be more 58 correct. Absolutely ZERO affect on tone.

  • @Dad-Gad
    @Dad-Gad Před měsícem

    If you want a fantastic Les Paul WITH a bridge that actually screws into the body , get an Edwards Les Paul 👍 My 59 replica has long neck tenon , mahogany body , mahogany neck , maple cap , absolutely amazing for the price imo 👍

  • @DamnDealDone
    @DamnDealDone Před dnem

    Not much difference between the tonal difference of slightly angling your guitar pick. Not even on purpose. A recording made with the exact setup with multiple takes will sound different thanks to the inconsistency of how we hold our picks. If you ever had to splice guitar takes together you should know what this is like.

  • @RustyRaceHorse
    @RustyRaceHorse Před 25 dny

    Sounds to me like the thread into wood has more bass. Bassier always sounds better in a comparison. How about they just sell a wood adaptor! Simply glue it in and your set!

  • @Les537
    @Les537 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Out of 4 gibsons I only have one with direct to wood abr and that one sounds twice as good as the others - it's also about 20 years older.
    On my other gibons I replace the stock nashville studs (steel) with brass aftermarket studs.
    Here's the deal from what I can tell : Direct to wood allows more timbre and harmonics. The second thing is brass vs steel. Steel passes more high frequency stuff which can sound 'metallic'. So if you have steel posts and steel saddles it will sound thinner and brighter. If you have direct to wood and brass saddles it will sound richer and warmer.

  • @bobmanners8624
    @bobmanners8624 Před 4 měsíci

    I often wonder if that very subtle tone difference would be discerned by an audience 1/2 stoned our of their minds in an echo driven sports stadium with whoopie children yelping and whooping?
    Maybe not?
    However, these are the details keeping guitarists up at night...

  • @manonbassguitar
    @manonbassguitar Před 19 dny

    Or just get a decent eq pedal & use it sparingly 🤘🏼

  • @pharmerdavid1432
    @pharmerdavid1432 Před měsícem +3

    Good players sound good on anything they play, while players who aren't very good spend endless time cork sniffing for a better tone, which doesn't improve their playing. The good player on a cheap guitar would sound better than them playing a real 1959 Lester. Also, most of the old guitars weren't great, only a few of them were, according to knowledgable people. I find it ironic that the pristine old guitars go for more money, which the beat ones that are better instruments sell for much less.

  • @digitaldrew
    @digitaldrew Před 4 měsíci

    I feel attacked by your splash screen. What was this about nothing digital?? HMMM??

  • @JohnVieto
    @JohnVieto Před 3 měsíci +1

    Not much difference to me.

  • @edwardgrassel872
    @edwardgrassel872 Před 4 měsíci +1

    well, that Dave 4th uncle sounds like a knob, so lost my business. way to go Dave.

  • @leelenton
    @leelenton Před 4 měsíci +2

    Do Nashville ABR-1 Adaptors Ruin Vintage Tone? Yes. Straight in the wood Is not so bright giving a vintage sound. I imagine some may prefer the brighter sound for a more "cut through the mix" lead part, but I did prefer the woodier sound personally. It's a good thing to blend in and be part of a sound, as if you're really part of the band and not some squealy side show.

  • @iuriatanasov
    @iuriatanasov Před 18 dny

    Man don`t use amp play acustic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no wire no power to see the deferance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @HotBadBoyMagnifico
    @HotBadBoyMagnifico Před měsícem

    Very little difference. If anything, the Nashville sounds better.
    Dave Stephens has spent hundreds of hours telling people online his pickups and bridges sound better than alternatives. Sound comparisons do not support his claims.
    By the way, I have an all-original (no mods) '59 Les Paul in my immediate family. I grew up playing it, and last played it through an amp only two weeks ago.
    The modern pickups which sound closest to the '59 are the OX4 low wind humbuckers. They sound virtually indistinguishable.
    (No, OX4 didn't pay me to type that; I bought my OX4s like anyone else. But I bought them because they sound the same as the PAFs in the '59).

  • @YooTooobJeff
    @YooTooobJeff Před 22 dny

    Dave might be wrong in this instance conceptually, the contact points are the upper surfaces of the thumbwheels/ABR and the outermost edges of the post threads/ABR, BOTH tenuous transmission surfaces at best for any vibrations...
    BUT it may be those innocuous imperfections that in fact help make for the vintage sound overall...