Jason Cammisa on the Acura NSX - Vintage Motor Trend Ignition Full Episode 143
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- The 2017 Acura NSX was a very different kind of NSX - whereas the first one was an exercise in Honda's legendary simplicity and lightweight engineering; the second one was... not.
Heavy and complicated, engineered with turbos and hybrid motors and torque-vectoring and brake-by-wire and an automatic transmission, the new NSX removes the driver from the equation. But does it remove the fun-factor, too?
I went on the press launch at Sonoma Raceway and in the hills of Northern California. And came away with some pretty controversial opinions.
Unlike other cars, the NSX's fundamental driving experience is changed in different Driving Modes - but this car didn't have the right one. I still maintain that it was a product of decisions made by folks who didn't fully understand the audience for a supercar.
And the sales numbers (or lack thereof) backed that up. A strange misstep, I think, for a company that so often pulls off incredible engineering feats.
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This video was uploaded as part of Jason Cammisa's professional showreel and portfolio as a writer, on-screen talent, and precision driver.
Jason: "If anyone ever tells you that a turbo charged motor has no lag, you should ignore everything he says"
Also Jason: "This turbo charged motor has no lag!"
Hahaha I thought the same thing.
It was from the base 911 video, right?
Well...
Except for when it has a electric motor compensating for it
Yeah, difference is the electric motors here cover up for the lag and he explained that lmao. A base 911 is gonna have more lag than any hybrid
No internal combustion engine, except if it's a hybrid, can have zero lag.
Because it's part electric.
chill. there's an electric motor in it so it's not just turbo
Thank you for posting your classic videos Jason. They’re still wonderful after all of these years. Will you be creating more content with Hagerty?
Hagerty hasn't had a Jason episode in weeks :(
You're welcome - and of course! I post a Carmudgeon Show podcast every Monday; and then every other Thursday there's a video on Hagerty - either ICONS, Revelations, or Ultimate Drag Race Replay!
@@JasonCammisaI watch them as much as i can, you are great at what you do. You should be proud
I always thought the ICONS videos were a return the old motor trend ignition quality. After rewatching these, while still very entertaining, they are no where near as good as Jasons current work, which is fucking great news in my book
I agree!Especially Hagerty's Revelations!
I find the Hagerty work steered him into the wrong direction. He is overworking his video editing guys to create a film like experience at an expense of cutting time for the clear information filled pieces to camera like this. On the other hand sound edit on the newest videos is out of this world good and is far better than what we see here. Best part?, it's all free to watch
I'm positive Hagerty gives him infinite creative freedom, which is what we can probably thank for the uptick in quality
I love this! We're getting spoon-fed goodness from the best auto journalist in the country. I like this channel, it's like a greatest hits of sorts. But I wonder if it's really him.
I can't imagine it is really him. Surely Motor Trend still owns these videos and they'll disappear via takedown soonish?
@@lyric911 it's him, you can see personal videos of his cars, that match up with his insta, and there are comments on the ISSIMI podcasts
@@torque-vectoring He told me it was him. This makes me very happy.
Most of your complaints are things I especially like about this bizarre car and Acura in general; that they go their own way. Stubbornly, indefatigably the Acura-only method. I wouldn’t like that if they weren’t capable of building almost magically capable cars. The first Acura I drove was in 1984, at a dealer-run invite for Porsche owners of a certain age. The sedan I drove was spectacular and I just about gave the rep a heart attack. The last one was a 2018 TLX with vectoring and I drove that one regularly. It was simply astounding how perfectly tuned and developed it was, switching lanes at 100mph like a race car while driving effortlessly around town. Never liked the styling but wow, the driving changed everything.
1st gen NSX (1999, 6-speed) owner here - Thanks Jason for putting words on my feelings about the 2nd gen. Still enjoying my NSX, it's a blast to drive, and of course is extremely rewarding on track.
A high school classmate of mine wanted to sell me his about 10-12 years ago...for $35,000. I weep, I weep...but eventually I compensated by making more money so I could get the Ferrari that the NSX made possible, a nice manual 360 Modena. Still want that damned Acura, though..
My favorite car in the world is the original NSX, I still have a poster of one on the wall in my office.
1997 received a power bump, a 6 speed manual and it's the one I want.
Wow man, still in awe with how the older reviews and testing were masterpieces. Thank you for this
St. Jason our Lord and Saviour! Thank you for these videos and being the new Top Gear! We need you.
I didn't realize at the time, but the new NSX is exactly the fast, powerful, AWD Accord I've always wanted 😅
Except it looks hideous.
Jason, keep these coming please! Total nostalgia
I'm no longer watching any entertainment, or otherwise shows, except Jason Cammisa. Keep it going!
These old videos on ignition with jason & Johnny were the reason i got into the deep end of loving cars! I miss the dynamic duo 😢
"Simple NSX"? Doesn't the X stand for experimental?
Everyone seemed to have missed (and continue to miss) that part
Yep
I remember when the orignal Acura NSX sales dropped in the middle of the 90’s and everyone was criticizing the NSX for being a supercar with a Acura badge with cheap interior… Reviews weren’t great and Acura tried to revive it with the 3.2L
Now the new NSX is getting the same critic. I have owned Lamborghinis, Ferraris, Audi, Bmw, GTR Nismo, etc… and the NSX is really a supercar that you can daily drive it WITHOUT any stress! It’s easy, fast, comfortable and easy to drive.
I like your opinion Jason but The NSX was intended to be a little of the GTR, a Little of the Italian Supercar and a little of a Honda Accord : a well built rear engine everyday reliable supercar
The new NSX failed the same way the LFA did : it’s misunderstood
BTW I have the same Long Beach Blue with the 2 tone beige/black interior NSX haha
100% agree with you Jason. As a life long Honda fan this was a complete miss. People will argue that this is a budget Porsche 918 and I'm sure in the next few years it will be desirable but it wasn't the car we asked for. They could have sold the "GT3" version that was a simple twin turbo v6 without the hybird shawd and thrown a 6MT and people would have bought it. It's what we were hoping for but never came
Jason is a living legend in the industry. Thanks for this treasure trove of content!
I really like Jason's work, his passion shines through.
As a life long Honda fan, I was massively disappointed to at the "new" NSX design/styling. Jason is right; a huge missed opportunity by Honda to style it in the vein of the original. I realize it's a different world with so many now regulations regarding crash safety for those in AND out of the car(pedestrians), but without being a retro design, they could have styled to allude to the classic and iconic NSX shape. Maybe why sales have been so damn lackluster the entire run of this "new" version.
Why does everything have to be a retro design nowadays? It’s getting really played out
@@f181234 it doesnt but it should be consistent design language. even if it wasnt this is a pretty mismatched/bland looking car
@@f181234 Not retro, but allude to what made the car so desirable along with the mechanical in the first place! The original:iconic. The new one? A "Me Too!" wedge style supercar shape. It's about evoking the past without rehashing it.
@@f181234 also its not just the design but the philosophy; like jason said this car is very fast and performance oriented, but not engaging to drive whereas the old "slow" nsx would be preferred to this day because of how it drives; and the design portrays that in the same way
Yeah, thankfully, Honda teased two new ev sports cars. While they're both under tarps, you can clearly tell one has more traditional front engine proportions, the other is more exotic looking. My money is on a next gen nsx and s2k. Hopefully they nail the styling I'd the next next time around.
This video uploaded 5s after I clocked to lunch. Good timing Jason
same
Colin Chapman said it best…simplify, then add lightness.
Even the engine was simple v6 vtec. They didn't make a new v8 or v12 like a Ferrari
@@henryjohn2218 in 1990, VTEC was innovative.
im wondering if the sound is linear despite motors doing lot of the work sometimes
"We make it simple" i guess not anymore to keep up with the crowd....Honda has changed the game in so many ways....my first car was a brand new 12miles, 1987 CR-X Si. 93hp haha #80'sRule
I want to be careful to NOT say that I’m left with the impression that this is a bad car. I’m sure it’s a great car. Having said that, it sounds like it’s a more impressive piece of engineering vs just being an impressive car.
Sometimes, too much technology corrupts.
Excellent job Jason (as ever).
Jason was the reason I got into Motortrend back in the day.
its a different interpretation of what an nsx would be in the current sports car market.
its design i was not such a big fan of at first, but after seeing it in person it is a absolute looker and very different from all the other sports car designs imo. honda/acura did a descent job with this car and i think it will only be remembered more fondly as more and more exotic and sports car makers adopt such technologies into their car due to regulations.
just like the first nsx, honda was just a bit earlier than everyone else in what everyone else eventually would do, just not accepted in the same ways by the masses.
Jason, this is the best car review you've done. This screamed top gear vibes, it was funny, easy to understand, very informative. Well done
The newer Acura NSX had a lot of very strong and very fresh Supercar competition. The Audi R8, McLaren 570S, Porsche 911 Turbo, BMW M8, BMW i8, Aston Martin Vantage, Lamborghini Huracan, Nissan GT-R NISMO, even the new V6 Ford GT, and any Ferarri. And in the end the spiritual successor to the original 1990 Acura NSX became the Lotus Evora and C8 Chevorlet Corvette.
I think this car just added even more appreciation to the old NSX. Trick AWD is great on my wife's SUV, but if I'm buying a sports car for some 'fun' driving, I don't want all this silly nonsense.
Finally! My all-time favorite! at the best possible hour, Launch time!
You're the man Jason. I have most of these saved but always good to have one place to view them all again!
Those who have put on better track tires, leave it in track mode, get a science of speed tune, down pipes and exhaust have turned the NSX from Dr Jekyll to Mr. Hyde, AKA, the perfect daily driven supercar, PERIOD, end of statement!!! Years later, Ferrari again, and everyone else are trying to play catch-up. I'm lucky enough to own the 2019 which is awaiting this transformation and a 2022 Type S which is being stored for future generations to admire. Yours was one of the best reviews and appreciate your insight because I felt the same way after tracking it the first time.
Would love and can't wait for you to test drive and review the new Type S.
The C8 was exactly what the NSX should of been! Keep the twin turbo v6 to bump the power! Mid Engine, rear drive, limited slip diff, design ques (lines) from our beloved original, keep the weight down and make it available in manual or 8 speed auto! Then target a price of around 70k?! Would of sold like hot cakes all day long. But at $200k.. that's Lambo / Ferrari territory and I'd take one of those over this new NSX any day of the week.
Arguably the best car journalist right here. Thank you for the content Mr Cammisa 👌
I completely agree with the closing remarks. I wish it was a simple car based on just having a good time. It more closely resembles a civic than an old nsx. I really wish they would have went a different direction with styling.
God i miss old motor trend on youtube…. :(. Head to head, ignition i miss them so much!
Best Adam Sandler video I’ve seen in ages - no idea he was into cars
Very good analysis.
I don’t even know why I’m commenting. This guy is a legend and these videos will only get more views from now on to infinity, or until YT dies.
I love this channel! So much great information that you feel like you’re there.
Still have mixed emotions on the 2nd gen NSX. In some ways i think this car was an exercise to see what could be done with all the available tech/running gear. Honda can take all of the crazy tech in new cars, stir it together and make it all work. The other emotion is "Come on Honda" just give us a ripping high revving non turbo engine and that near perfect manual transmission in a 2nd gen that is a continuation of the original.
I immediately wondered if this was the one where Jason used a wheelchair to illustrate a point. Always unique! To think I payed MT 2-3 years ago for content and all I had to do was wait… Thank you, sir.
@3:48 - 3:53 Does anyone else hear a bubbling effect on the exhaust sound? The sound colour is nice enough (especially on the inside) but that effect sounds really weird!
I was Abt to say😭
Great review sir. Love the technical insights. You know your audience well 👌
I had to laugh as I was watching this. Jason you say "this is a turbocharged engine that has absolutely no turbo lag" I just finished watching (Jason Cammisa on the base 991.2 Porsche 911 Carrera) and quoted from the video was "If somebody tells you such and such turbocharged car doesn't have any turbo lag, ignore everything they've said before, and everything they're going to say after because they don't understand the fundamentals of how an engine works" such a conundrum! lol
Heh, okay you make a good point. The ENGINE definitely has lag. The POWERTRAIN doesn't - because it can use electric torque-fill to mask that lag. The lag is there, it's just covered up. :)
Sick body kit on that blue civic coupe.
an upload a day? I'm in!
Jason has the best takes on cars and really “gets it”.
I'd soooooo rather have the original NSX. Thanks, Jason!
Orginal NSX: is that a Ferrari?
New NSX: is that a Prius?
It doesn't look anything like a Prius!
@@aspecreviews it’s a hybrid Japanese car
@@AirBudProMax And?
Love the old motor trend vids, but why is the sound 100% first gen cayman gt4 in the first 30 seconds of the video!?
New NSX is the ultimate daily use supercar.... I love everything about it... The average driver/owner isn't a pro racer after all
The more I watch the videos the more I miss this segment
The NSX did (and does) play by its own rules. Both cars are stunning by a design language that play to no other design.... which is cool (in my humble opinion). They don't need to be similar. To me, I knew the new NSX was the new NSX. They both are great design exercises for their own era without being a slave to those superfluous design trends. Honestly, if I had super-car money, there is no other exotic I would buy over the NSXs. If you value an exotic performance car experience that will provide years of owner satisfaction, without the onus of expensive repairs and maintenance costs, you cannot ask for a better solution. Also, I've seen a new NSX (in red) in person... and its gorgeous, plain and simple, gorgeous. Are there other cars more beautiful? Probably, but it stands as a great design nonetheless. Honda engineers are brilliant and they aim toward a different set of perimeters than Lamborghinis and Ferraris. It's in a class of its own. It needs to appreciate as such. The NSX HAS to be a exhibition of its technological advances and expertise. Therefore, it HAS to show off the best they can execute while looking toward the future. It can't be and should not be 'old school' with a stick shifter and a V-8. Besides, some V6s do sound sexy (read Ferrari Dino) but yet, it doesn't happen here. Too bad they did not adjust the exhaust note to please the ears as much as they pleased the soul with its throttle response.
I think 2014-2019 was the peak of ICE cars
@jasoncammisa I just heard you say in an older video "if someone tells you there's no turbo lag, stop listening to them, forget everything they've ever said, and never listen to anything they say in the future"... what did you just say? No lag?
Can we just appreciate that Jason said F355 and not 458 or 488? The F355 needs more love!
If you’re taking requests can we get the 981 GT4 Ignition vid uploaded? 👀🤞🏼 One of your all time greats.
I'll never understand why Honda can't make a naturally-aspirated, mid-engine, V8 supercar with a 6-speed.
It could work if they partner with a brand that makes performance V8s paired with manual transmissions. Toyota is off the list because although they make a great 5.0 V8, it's exclusively paired with a 10 speed automatic transmission. Nissan is also off the list because they make a 5.6 V8, but that's a truck engine. The Germans haven't made an N/A V8 since the W212 E63 AMG, and even that wasn't paired with a manual transmission. Like Toyota, Hyundai had a 5.0 V8, but it was automatic only. The only options are the Americans. Either GM, Ford or Dodge. So it's either Ford's 5.0 or GM's 6.2 (which is more likely since they're already in a partnership to make EVs, and GM already has a MR platform for the C8 corvette), or Dodge's 6.4 for maximum power (the 5.7 is great, but it barely makes 400HP). The question then is, will Honda/Acura do it? If they do it, won't the JDM purists hate on it like they're doing to the MK5 Supra? How many people will actually buy it, assuming they can afford it?
One of my big car regrets is not buying a good quality used NSX in the late 90's for only $10,000. I still kick myself over it.
Finally you got your own channel, you are the best… subscribed
Why are there Cayman GT4 sounds in the beginning?
I noticed this lol.
I lost my shit when the camera zoomed out on Jason in the wheelchair lmao. They did zanardi dirty
I could be wrong, but somehow you looked like enjoying the driving fun & pleasure more when you were reviewing the Honda S800 compared to this new NSX. Am I right, Jason?
But the old NSX was also a super high tech marvel for its time.
I almost thought you got Alex Zinardi as a guest.
I remember when this was released ahead of all the other NSX videos and it pretty much killed all the hype for the NSX.
And a damn shame it was, too, IMHO.
I gotta ask this, Jason: I remember hearing you talk about almost buying an original NSX on Carmudgeon but left disappointed because of numb steering. How did the Zanardi Edition (or maybe a Type S) in this video felt compared to that car that left you wanting more?
As amazing as the original NSX was ... I couldn't get over the generic "Dollar Store Ferrari" styling then and it hasn't aged well. Amazing car FUGLY looks
I think the next opportunity to make a "Simple, fun" Honda product will be to revive the Prelude nameplate. This could have a special place in my garage.
It's so funny that people are debating whether it's you or not uploading these videos. 😆
Hey Jason! You said a lot more things in your guesting in the smoking tire podcast since this review. Something about the consistency of the torque vectoring when going on a corner? Was that one of the changes right before it was released?
PS waiting for your upload on your e30 vs 190e that was shot in Germany.
PSS I suddenly remembered the article you wrote about shipping your VW to Europe and driving it in the ring. How about a Hagerty special on doing something similar like that?
Hope you won't burn out doing these videos!
I'm hoping he does an updated video on the new Type S with Randy doing a lap time on the Hagerty channel.
Another awesome video 🏅 automotive journalist IQ genius level. Love the wheel chair analogy for torque vectoring.
Can anyone explain that bubble popping sounds after it revs up? It sounds really weird to me
RSX-S 06 still fun to wind up and go
Man the nsx is the best super car out period !
Your idea of vintage is definitely different from my idea of vintage.
If they decide to do a proper “Top Gear USA” you should be a host
I would love a version of that just RWD with the monster twin turbo V6. They could make it like a Porsche GT2. They could also make a light as possible stick shift version like 3300lbs curb weight. I see missed a opportunity with this machine with simpler, cheaper, purer versions
I felt somekind of.... alex zanardi reference with the racing suit and wheelchair and you know the nsx being the subject of the video.....almost felt offended by it, but you can crack a joke anytime adam sandler
really loving all these videos
I’m not a car person but I would love to have an NSX some day
Agree on all points --- BUT --- a car that's a little ahead of its time as a "test bed", weighed down by not being quite as exciting as its more exotic counterparts, more balanced toward being a daily driver, sells badly. Sounds like an NSX to me! 😁
Still, the new NSX already aged better than the C8.
Acura made the antithesis of the NSX and still called it an NSX. Sure the original represented the state of supercars of its day (maybe minus the V6), and the current iteration (gone now, I know), is a car of today. But as Jason says, imagine what they could have done with a basic, mid engine, rear drive, DCT layout. Maybe coming in 1000 pounds less than this car.
Jeremy Clarkson accent is perfect and entertaining
Odds you could do the Range Rover SVR 👀 that one is iconic
These videos are awesome
What are those wheels on the first gen? They look just like factory BBS RZ wheels off an Rx7.
slow down with the uploads I can't get any work done 😂
I have NO complaints at all on the new NSX, looks and otherwise.
The wet fart revs @3:49
Yeah,
When the new NSX came out, I admit I didn't like it. Why doesn't it have a V10? Why doesn't it look more like the old one? Why isn't it made in Japan? Then I drove it. It is awesome. I started to put myself in Hondas shoes. Why make the same thing over, and over? Honda got big by breaking new ground and doing it differently. This NSX is almost perfect in my eyes and did to the car world what the old one did, break new ground and demand more. You can drive it everyday, it will be relievable, you can drive it hard and have it help you get the best experience. If you want pure rawness, go buy something else. Sure, I would have loved a manual option, but that would not fit the overall theme of the car of: modern, fast and super effective.
There is never a time when it’s acceptable to add weight to a sports car. It should always be as Colin Chapman said. Simplify and add lightness.
Ok. So, what TV show or network are you applying to that requires you to post all your wonderful videos? I love you on Hagerty, but would also kill for a Top Gear America headlined by you.
NSX engineers showed us all how smart they are
Got any Subaru content in those archives? I don’t think I’ve ever heard your thoughts on the WRX/STI.
Excellent informative video ☑️
Whatever you want, but I think the New NSX is stunning...
I still wish Honda had kept it simple. OK the old J series couldn't hack it for a supercar. But I think an NA V6 with a hybrid system, torque vectoring rear diff and a curb weight under 3500lb for under $100K could have been something special. Given that Acura basically put all that in a $70K RLX means it was possible. But what's done is done I guess
What was Jason's first video where he says something like "Who were you expecting Carlos Lago?"
it was his review of the cayman gt4