Ford Fiesta ST Mk7 vs Mk8: Which is better?
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 4. 09. 2018
- Recently I've been lucky enough to test the brand Ford Fiesta ST, a a car that has been hotly anticipated to say the least. How does it compare to its predecessor though? I drive both cars back-to-back in this video to find out.
Massive thanks to Nilesh, the owner of the Mk7, for letting me use his car for my video đ
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Hi all, thanks so much for watching this video - just a small bit of housekeeping; I've quoted 179bhp for the old ST when it should have been 180bhp (apologies). Before you say, yes, I know it produces nigh-on 200bhp with overboost đ
It's 197bhp with overboost, yes. And you get that power virtually all of the time. Silly EU marketing. In America it's marketed as 200hp. (197bhp)
212 with over boost for 20 seconds 197 @6350 rpm mine does in the USA anyway
Hi Wayne, thanks for watching. Yup, fully aware of that, but that's not how it's marketed in Europe as that power output is not permanent.
Car Obsession what makes the MK7 motor different from the us model that has 197hp?
Nothing, it's just the fact that Ford isn't allowed to quote 197bhp in Europe as it's produced on the overboost, therefore, it's not technically a permanent power output as it lasts for 15 seconds. This does seem a bit silly though, considering that the overboost can be started all over again just be lifting of the throttle and then reapplying it. Plus, how likely is it that you're going to be able to drive on overboost for the full 15 seconds on public roads anyway? Thanks for watching Josh.
Outside of car - Mk7
Inside of car - Mk8
I have a 14 ST and I just put $2000 in upgrades, big intake, bigger Intercooler with a Cobb access port and a pro tune, it absolute hauls some serious Ass now, the Torque is off the scale, itâs easily in the 5 second to 60 mph, I was going to buy the new one just for the new infotainment system alone, but Ford pulled the plug on sales in the US at the last moment, thatâs why I just did the upgrade, the US Version is a 5 door hatch witch looks awesome, thereâs very few of them as opposed to the Focus ST, people every day give me complements on the looks as I have a lot of Visual mods, Iâm 72 years young and have had many cars & 9 motorcycles in my life, and by far this is the most fun driving car I have ever had, long live the MRK 7.
Amazing little cars aren't they, to get this type of performance say back in the 70's and 80's you would of had to spend big money.
Mk7 looks miles better
It looks more aggressive, doesn't it? Thanks for watching.
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Aaron, you've got a good presentation style. Enjoyable vid. Nice job mate.
Thanks man! Fair and honest comparaison. Well done!
Thank you Mohammed, I'm glad you liked it. Thanks for watching.
I owned 2 new mk7 Fiesta ST's. Loved them. Might have a look at the mk8 when they start discounting them.
Well done for not spending the opening 5 mins imagining your are a comedian by cracking crap Jokes before starting the review. Well done straight to the point and informative. Good work
Hi Marvin, thanks for watching and thanks for the great feedback.
Having had the old ST and missing it. Got to say new one looks very tempting just at that age whereby baby on the way canât be spending my money on mini hot hatches as tempting as the new one is. Got to say the St will be number one again in the mini hot hatch market. Nearest competition will be to polo GTI but letâs face it the fiesta is more fun.
Well done car obsession another brilliant review. Canât wait for your Focus Review.
Thanks for watching Joe!
you can get as a 5 door now, which is more interesting for the back seat.
I like it that the Mk. 7 feels more confined inside, more like a little fighter plane on wheels. I want to feel like I'm driving a little sportscar, not someone's living room.
Hi there, thanks for watching, and thanks for the comment.
Great vid. Really fair and honest opinions. I said the same stuff about the mk8 on the Stoc forum 're being more grown up, refined, a nicer place to be and not so raw. However I am a mk7 owner and I still love that car so will hold onto it for at least another year before I consider the mk8. This will give it a chance to bed in and will highlight any issues (hopefully none) it may manifest. Both great cars though and I wish I could own both...
Keep up the good work
Hello Gooner70, thanks for watching, and thanks for you kind feedback đ
@@CarObsession anytime buddy and deserved...
Theres an aftermarket bov on the mk7, definately not standard
T18BCK definitely a bov installed there, no doubt.
The standard does give some sound of bov via the sound symposer. It's faint, but it's there, and you need to rev high.
Rear end on new car spoils the whole package, old one with a few mods look great.
I selled my st mk7.5 2years ago and miss it everyday. Gonna buy again a mk7.5 cause he looks better and you feel that you drive the car. Mk8 looks like a shaved baby
In usa, our fiesta ST came out in 2014 with 197 HP and 202 lb tq. Always been that way the new model is not coming here, but no big loss because your new model has identical power and tq as our old one.
Our ST also had 197hp, but because that was on the overboost function Ford weren't allowed to quote that figure in Europe as it's not technically a 'permanent' power figure, although it pretty much is LOL. Thanks for watching.
Good review Iâve had my local dealer on the phone offering me a good deal on new one which is very tempting (havenât driven new one yet) but more than likely going to stick with my 65 plate ST2
I reckon you should at least have a quick spin in the new car, it can't do any harm đ. Thanks for watching James.
Car Obsession Thereâs none available to test drive locally my local dealer is getting one in 2 weeks but thatâs just for the showroom đđżđđż
Ah, that sucks!
Good video! It would be good if you could try a non Performance pack MK8 to see what you'd think of that. Some reviews that have been of cars with the LSD fitted have commented on the steering feeling a bit strange just of centre, but no one seems to have compared the two properly.
Hi Michael, thanks for watching, I'm glad you liked the video. I would like to try a non-PP ST as well, but I imagine getting hold of one as I doubt there's many knocking about.
Ace video once again Aaron, Iâd choose the mk8 just for the engine. To be honest, because of watching your video I bought one.
Cheers Aaron. đđ»
Hello Jonathan, thanks for watching, and thanks for the feedback! I'm touched that that you held my opinion high enough to buy the car based on my video, I hope you're happy with the car!
Well done đ
Will be nteresting to see how tunable the new 1.5 mk8 engine will be.. The 1.6 is good for 400 bhp. Insane for a car of this size. Two amazing cars. Very nice review thanks.
Hi there, thanks for watching. Yes, I look forward to seeing just how much power can be had from this engine as well.
The 1.5 will have decent tunability but the 1.6 is/was an exceptional engine. 500bhp on standard internals as long as torque is kept to stage 4 levels (300 or, thereabouts) đ
@@davidthomson2794 people blown them up at 360 hp lot 500 wont last lol
Can you get a performance pack with a LSD on a MK7 ? Or do you have to buy the part separately and install it ?
The only people who seriously think the Mk7 is better are ones who can't afford the Mk8. The Mk7 has far better tuning and modding options but the Mk8 ones are coming.
I drove a Mk8 with Revo stage one and it was quicker than my MK7 stage 2. The future tuning ability for the Mk8 is frightingđ
Also hands down the inside and ride quality is far better in the MK8.
It'll be interesting to see how reliable the big power tuning options will be for the Mk8, given it's a smaller, 3-cylinder engine. Thanks for watching.
I think the car is great as âStockâ with regards to power. I! personally wouldnât consider fiddling with it whilst still in warranty.
i,ve got an RSFocus & prefer my Mk7.5 ST Fiesta , !! Mk8 Fiesta couldn,t lace either,s boots mate .
I own a mk4 Focus ST, and had a mk3 Focus ST. Recently drove both mk7 and mk8 Fiesta STs on bumpy fast country roads.
So many reviewers giving rave reviews to everything on CZcams. This reviewer hits the nail on the head, both cars are exactly as he describes them, both positive and negative. Brilliant reviews, thank you
Thanks pal, that's great feedback! Thanks for watching.
The turbo flutter is 100% not normal in a stock mk7 ST...
There is some at low revs actually. Usually when revving and pulling away.
Put a mountune sound symposer blocker on and you will hear it clearly at low revs. Had one on my old MP215 ST2 from around 500miles to 17000milea from new
If you turn radio off & open drivers window you can here it all the time
Jack Danson your 100% right, Iâve never heard this on my car. Iâve also just got an ITG kit on my car neither before or after did I hear the turbo flutter like that. (Symposer is still in for the time being but will be removed shortly but even then Iâll be VERY surprised if it unlocks this noise especially considering you can hear it from outside the car)
Prefer the looks of the mk7 ......
That MK7 ST has a dodgy diverter valve if it is making turbo flutter like that. It should be a solid "Pssst" with no flutter. Mine only does this when the GFB DV+ shreds an O-Ring and I have to replace it.
Shame on Ford for not offering this car to it's American enthusiasts. Currently own a MK7.
Yeah, I simply don't get that one... Thanks for watching.
Beau LunaWolf more popular in the uk
You have the mustang camaro etc for the price we in Europe pay a fiesta ST...
We in the States were damn lucky to get the one we did, for as long as we did!
Both brilliant depends on what you prefer can't go wrong with either
Hi Steve, thanks for watching, and thanks for the comment.
@@CarObsession I've had a lot of cars m3 amg mercedes 2 focus rs's mk2 1 focus rs mk3 focus st bmw x6 rrs to name a few now have 2017 fiesta st brilliant car and for everyday use as good if not better than cars mentioned very quick super handling reliable cheap to run and maintain I always use main dealers, brilliant car and not expensive
You're not faced by a million buttons, but you do have an after thought screen glued on the dash
True, but I'd argue that is easily the lesser of two evils. Thanks for watching Michael.
EDIT: Also, Ford isn't the only brand guilty of supergluing a touchscreen on to a dashboard - even the more premium carmakers do it.
Yea, I've noticed. It's really a pet hate of mine đ
I'm not sold on the new fiesta tbh (I'm biased too having a Revo stage 2 st180 đ)
I know ford know what they're doing, but the 1.0 ecoboost was plagued with problems, I'm concerned at the longevity of the same block bored out đ€
The 1.0 had massive cooling issues, I just can't see those being lesser now there's less cooling space etc...should have stuck with 4 cylinders and utilised the same cylinder shut off system on that.
Saying that, I'm no engineer or mechanic, so what do I know
I agree, people complain about the mk7 interior but that stuck on screen looks hidious IMO. I own a 2016 st3 and have no complains about the interior.
@@dogboy4912 The million 'buttons' only seem to be a problem for people with a short attention span, it's not rocket science & the looks of the mk8 as a mk7 owner...... no thanks.
Thx for this video
No worries, thanks for watching!
Iâm still with the MK7 as I think it looks better and isnât missing a cylinder đđ
That's fair enough, it'll be interesting to see how reliable the 1.5 litre engine proves to be. Thanks for watching.
Car Obsession no worries man. Love your video's! đ
It's not "missing" a cylinder, it just runs perfectly without it :)
I would prefer the former version and just add a Quaife differential and some much lighter wheels. The 3 cylinder is working awfully hard. I doubt that it will be long lived.
Hi Scott, thanks for watching. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how the new 1.5 engine does over time, and how durable it is.
Wish I could trade in my MK7 ST interior for the MK8.
But the MK8 ST exterior looks are a downer, especially because it does not look all that different from a ST-line.
ST Mk7 OR Mk8? Both good in their own way. New model has evolved. Remember, Petrol heads still argue over Golf GTI Mk1 or Mk2, and 205 Gti 1.6 or 1.9.
But then Iâm old. :-)
You're not old, you're just experienced ;) Thanks for watching Neil!
The Golf and 205 was never an argument IMO. 1.9 was better than the 1.6 simply because of the greater power on tap (I actually owned the 1.6 which was brilliant in its day). Mk 2 Golf > Mk1 easily. In fact, the Mk2 16v really is the classic 'hot hatch'.
Easily 205 gti 1.9 a mate of mine back in the day had 2 identical dragon green g and h plate always coveted them. And i had a mk2 gti i miss that now đ some older cars a still great.
can we fit mk7 brakes pads on the mk8? on addition great video but i never found the braking distance of the car :(
Hi Linet, thanks for watching. From what I can see online, Mk7 pads would not fit as they look to be a bit smaller than the Mk8.
Thank you for the great review !
A bit of a late comment, I had the 1l black edition mk 7.5, 140bhp done up to 160 and just moved to a st mk7 mountune 215 bhp, omg made me yell with excitement :)) I really don't like the new st, I wouldnt trade the mk7 for the mk8, it looks to tame and after having a 3 cylinder engine I don't want another one, they are good cars but I love a bigger engine..
@@DavudHdic yes, its night and day difference between the 1l eco and the S.T., the st has more torque, and shreds tires, feels like I have 2 engines strapped together.. the 1l is a fun car but if you want power it's not the car for you..
@@DavudHdic theres nothing more fun than a fiesta, but keep in mind if you dooit up, put a better intercooler on it so the turbo doesn't blow and a cold air intake, you don't need a dump valve as once you put a cold air intake the car sounds like you got a dump valve :)
Iâve not heard 1 standard mk7.5 ST have turbo flutter like that! The person may of bought it thinking it was standard but it could have an up rated DV?? Iâve known 2 people that bought one as âstandardâ and one had an up rated DV the other had a better RMM.
Am I the only one that prefers the look and everything of the mk8?
No, but I imagine you're in the minority. Thanks for watching.
Love my MK7 ST 3 its the north american 4 door
Very good video, I have a Mk7 and as a daily driver and a fun weekend car it strikes the right balance. I usually get bored of cars very quickly, but a year in and Iâm still not bored of it. It still gets looks and I love driving it, whether normally or spirited.
Iâm not keen on the interior aside from the seats. It generally is basic.
But I am pretty swung by the new car, Iâm in the process of getting a Mk8 ST3 with the performance pack.
They are both great cars, in their own ways.
Good to hear buddy, thanks for watching! Care giving me your old car??? You can't blame a fella for trying đ
Car Obsession ha ha, sure itâs your for a meagre 10k. Iâm just on my way to test drive my one.
10k what? Pennies? Sold! đ
Car Obsession me and my big mouth lol đđ Just saw an ST2 the 17 inch wheels look awful compared to the ST3 18 inch rims.
In fairness, I think both alloy designs look great.
How tall are you exactly? I'd like to know if I'd fit into one of these (the mk7)
6'2", thanks for watching.
It's maby because I am younger (18)
But I think the old one looks terrible . Would never buy it .
With the new one it's the opposite.
Beautiful car . Working to buy one one day
That's fair enough pal, looks will always be subjective. Thanks for watching.
You on crack
Think I'll test drive one soon just out of curiosity. Don't think it looks as good as the Mk7 and won't be replacing my Mk7 with it for the foreseeable. Sounds better and better interior definitely though.
Thanks for watching Richard!
Top speed of the old fiesta is actually 145mph đ tried and tested.
Tested legally??? đ
@@CarObsession hmm that's debatable đ
Was it done with a proper telemetry system or just off the speedo?
@@CarObsession to be fair it was only the speedo
It doesn't count then đ Just kidding pal, that's a strong effort. đȘ Thanks for watching.
Donât even need to watch the video, itâs obviously the Mk7
Not necessarily pal, it depends on what you want from a car ;)
Car Obsession well for one I want an ST to actually look like a sporty car not like some weird family car that has the rear end of a Mondeo đđđ
@@TimmyTheSnail đ€Ł
Totally agree, Mk7 rules
Which one would everyone recommend for long journeys?
Hi Charlie, thanks for watching. I'd say the Mk8 as it's a bit more refined and would be the easier car to live with, although I wouldn't say there's LOADS in it.
@@CarObsession thanks for your reply, arguably would you say the mk7 engine would be the better engine for it due it being 4 cylinder 1.6 to the mk8 3 cylinder 1.5? Forget about the comfort n what not just the engine in this instance
@@charliepopplewell6590 Ah I see what you mean. I personally doubt there would be much in it as they have similar power and six gears. Some would argue that the 1.6 engine is going to be more durable due to it being four cylinders and not three.
One thing to consider if you're that bothered about fuel economy is that the 1.5 three-pot in the Mk8 is able to shut down a cylinder when possible to make the engine more efficient.
Did you compare driving in sport mode on the mk8?
Hello Yalmar, thanks for watching. I honestly can't remember, this was shot a long time ago!
@@CarObsession ah, i understand. Still a great vid tho! đđ»
@@Dirkpeters010 Thanks pal!
The new one might be better but still donât like the stylising. I never liked the interior of the old one but considering all the praise it gets for the driving experience I would save my money and pick the old one. That would actually make a good replacement for your Ibiza unless you need a bigger car
I was looking at a Mk7 ST as a potential replacement, but it wouldn't fall in to my potential budget (ÂŁ3,000-ÂŁ5,000). I could always get one on finance, but I wouldn't really want another call on finance if I could help it. A car with more space would be nice as well, although it's not essential. Thanks for watching.
Car Obsession well thereâs plenty of vag options around that price leon fr mk2, Octavia vrs mk2, mk5 golf gti and if you want something more discreet mk2 a3 all available with the 2 litre turbo 200bhp. Might get one myself very soon
@@Birmingham_racing vRS doesn't really interest me, and I'd rather have a Cupra than an FR.
Car Obsession cupra are obviously better at 240bhp but not sure about what price they go for
@@Birmingham_racing You can get a few for 5 grand or under.
I have a stage 3 st180 sat at 320 goes like a beast and can abuse it, but put more power in the new one bet it will shit itâs self donât trust the 3 cylinders
Huw Llewellyn why donât you trust the 3 cylinder?
While the 3 cylinder is a great engine and sounds great, i have read that the tuning companies are having issues with the stage 2 upgrade for the mk8 ST due to how the standard turbo is set up. The stage 1 remap for the mk8 brings it up to around 250bhp as it has a much better stock intercooler than the mk7, but after that theres still no word on a âstage 2â or further upgrade package.
There is a limit to how much increase can be extracted from these tiny engines without paying a huge penalty in both reliability, purchase cost and increased service cost. As appealing as a well tuned tiny engine is, the materials technology and service life are not going to be inexpensive! I really don't want a ultra hi tech hot hatch. We all know the formula required to create one! A huge percentage of us also want the possibility of doing a few extra enhancements to get the car to feel closer to our individual ideal. The trend of displacement reduction and electronic controls is not advancing the concept. It's actually diluting it.
I owned an MP215 mk 7 and loved it. I now own a Mk8 stock and itâs as quick as the mp215 handles better with the LSD and is light years ahead with regards to interior. However,to look at itâs not as distinctive but makes up for it elsewhere!
No doubt about it, they're both great cars, albeit for slightly different reasons. Thanks for watching.
Mk7.5 miles better& far more tuneable than the 3 pot 1.5 !! Same BHP , Revo 1 on a Mk7.5 would 'bury' that 3 pot with the B-Max rear lights !!! -- no thanks Ford , your 'ST' Best one was the Mk7.5 !! nice interior though on the Mk8 !! , just didn,t cut the same 'driver,s' car as the Mk7.5 , but still ahead of the other 'marques' with the ones today :-)
Last year I was gonna buy the mk7 cus at around 8k itâs a steal. The interior is what made me save up for a golf gti which I still havenât got tbhđ is this new fiesta worth buying or would u go towards a VW or Audi?
I suppose it depends on what kind of package you want. The ST will be the better driver's car, and it will be more fun, but you'd get more refinement from the VW/Audi, I'd take the ST.
The old st has 197hop on overboost for 15 seconds. It would be more informative and less bias to test the st200 against the MK8.
The old car weighs around 200kg less than the mk8, and I think grips just as well, providing you know how to drive. A bit of Rev matching and a bit of heel and toe would see the old keeping head to head with the mk8 i reckon, and the old has half the tech that the mk8 comes with.
I get things have to evolve and all, but Iâm tired of you tubers giving opinions that lean to one side slightly. Again, a fairer test would have been the st200 against the mk8. It would then be neck and neck. Oh the old st has 180 bop as per fords spec sheet.
Get the right info!
Hello Painau Chocolate, thanks for watching. I'm fully aware that the Mk7 had 197 on Overboost - in fact I mentioned that in my full review video. In regards to the bhp figure, I've duble checked and the official press release from Ford states that it produced 182PS, which works out to be 179.51bhp. Granted, you would round that up to 180bhp, so I can see where you're coming from, but do you really want to grill me over .49 of a bhp? I would have loved to use an ST200 for the video, especially as I've never driven one, but I happened to know someone with a standard model which was very convenient as we based in the same area.
Don't get me wrong, I do know someone with an ST200, but it has been heavily modified, therefore it wouldn't be a fair test.
Hi, I donât mean to sound harsh in my above comment!
Everywhere, from the Fiesta ST OC forums to Facebook always mentions the MK7 as having the 180, I guess I was just being picky!
If it were my video, and itâs something I do wish to do this one day, I would have waited to find a stock ST200, because I findâ by using the ST180 you can come across as a bit bias as the ST200 is essentially the same power output. It got to me that hardly no review has mentioned it!
I can see where you're coming from, but I wasn't in a position to wait for an ST200 as I had the Mk8 for a week, and I do all my filming around a full-time job, so getting time to film to begin with is tricky. In fact, for this video I only had about an hour or so to film, which sounds like plenty, but you'd be surprised how quick that time goes. I also had another video to shoot in that time as well, which still needs to be edited.
Please donât think Iâm being negative towards your channel - or you for that matter - as I am absolutely not. I had a few gripes and I really appreciate that youâve taken the time to reply.
I guess the ultimate question is... would you buy one?
No of course, I just think sometimes people don't realise just how much hard work goes in to making these videos and how difficult they can be. I think both cars are fantastic, so I would be delighted with either. In fact, I was looking to buy a Mk7 ST to replace my Ibiza FR, but my potential budget would be too low to get one. If I had the money, I'd rather have the Mk8 ST though, but like I said in this video, you can't really go wrong with either.
Im yet to see the mk8 do a quarter mile quicker than the old mk7. As a matter of fact havent seen the mk8 break into the 14s yet.
Is that turbo sound really normal??
It's an interesting one, as I've never driven an ST that has it so pronounced, but I double checked with the owner - the car is definitely standard. Thanks for watching.
Ok thanks :)
Mine is standard and I get a lot of wastegate whistle.
My ST200 doesnt has this Turbo Sound...đ€
That turbo chatter isn't "normal" under any sort of boost pressure release the bypass valve should be opening which very very faintly sounds like a blow off valve/dump valve as the English call them. Only under very light load and lift off or at really low rpm would a stock car get that turbo chatter.
Anyway, good video, would expect the newer one to come out on top that's why it's a newer one.
I only know that the fiesta it's nowadays the only hatch you can get in his price range with 3 doors, the mini it's much more expensive
It's also one of very few hot superminis you can buy full stop nowadays. Thanks for watching.
I do like the new st, but at 19k+ it's in mk2 focus rs money. And I know where my money would go.
Fair play - I've never driven a Focus RS Mk2 (or a Mk1), so I can't really comment on that one. Thanks for watching.
MK8 looks better, the lights on the MK7 look dated.
I'm sorry but that turbo whistle is deffo not standard lollll
I just bought a 2018 fiesta st with the 1.6 liter engine and I would not trade it for no three cylinder 1.5 liter Fiesta ST. No way in hell I like what I've got plus I got a great deal on it. I paid for power moon roof and voice activated touch screen navigation system $1590.00 in options that I absolutely love about this car. Less than 1500 miles on it so far. The dealer paid off my trade I ended up getting over $500.00 dollars back after my trade 2016 focus S four door sedan with barley 10,000 miles on it. My new Fiesta ST is magnetic color exterior with charcoal black/contrast STI interior Love the color of it the car had 20 miles on it when I bought it had a couple of scuffed wheels which the dealer replaced no questions ask. I did not pay anything bogus no fake doc fees, or dealer prep fees, just title and license fee. destination fee and taxes ,and that was it a couple thousand dollar discount from the $23,750.00 The best handling car I have ever had including my 2016 mustang 5.0 that I traded in for the focus. Later on I plan to put the Cobb turbo upgrade kit on the Fiesta ST and turn it into a 11 second street hot rod with 400 hp limit it has a cast iron crankshaft so 400 is for sure my limit maybe 380 just to be safe with the tune. No fuel upgrade needed no bigger injectors I do't think so any way, stock cams will rev out to 7800 rpm no problems with some valve springs of course. or at least shims to go under the springs that are on the engine now.a Cobb tuner and cold air intake with a cone filter and big straight free flowing hose for the intake cold air package. The stock exhaust will be at its limits after the kit is installed. $1859.00 for the complete kit down pipe inter cooler upgrade cold air kit. 0 to 60 in less than 4 seconds for sure and quarter mile in mid to high 11en's. 500 pounds lighter than the focus RS or more even closer to 600 pounds lighter. Traction will be a big problem with it pushing 400 BHP at the wheels.
Not really a fan of the latest Ford fiesta, the interior is much better I admit.
That turbo noise surely isn't normal from stock...
Hi Kevin, that's what I thought, but the car definitely hasn't been modified - thanks for watching.
It isn't stock entirely. The owner might have bought it with a upgraded BOV like the Turbosmart Dual-Port, and must have not known about it.
Why is no one comparing the ST-200?
Hi StrikeSN, thanks for watching. I specifically didn't compare it to an ST200 because I don't know anyone that has one, plus the owner (Nilesh) works in the same office as me, therefore it was very convenient. In regards to why *other* people aren't comparing the new ST to the ST200 it's probably because the ST200 is a limited model, therefore not a standard model. Yes, I know you can argue that the ST200 has the same power output, therefore, it's a fairer, and more relevant comparison, however... would you compare a Mk2 Mountune Focus ST to a standard Mk3 Focus ST? I know that's not *quite* the same, but what I'm trying to get at it is that the ST200 isn't a 'standard' ST, which is why I reckon no such comparison has taken place.
Lastly (sorry to give such a long answer đ) it could be because a lot of people (including me) want to aim the comparison to current Mk7 owners, as a guide on whether they should upgrade or not. This gives creators a broader audience as there are much more ST owners out there than ST200 owners. Also (Jesus, how long is this answer?!) would you swap in an ST200 for the new ST? I wouldn't have thought so (although it's not completely out the question), so the chances are an ST200 v Mk8 ST comparison may not be of as much interest.
@@CarObsession actually my car is a bone stock st200. And yes I thought about waiting for the new st and I drove it on the autobahn. In the end I decided against it because of my bad experiences with the 1 series 3 cylinder engine. I read the comments that you dont know somebody that owns an st200. Just as a hint, many people think its just a Mountune stage 1, and we in germany have st forums where some ford employees leaked that its quite similar im performance. So you could try to compare it to a Mountune stage 1. I know you put in a lot of effort but except for the exhaust I personally dont feel the advantage of the mk8 over my car.
In the end here the st 200 costs 16k and the new one at least 19 k. I think if you drive a lot on the autobahn the better fuel consumption of the st 200 when accelerating is worth it. If you keep the same speed the mk8 may be able to save some gas.
@@Snippetswork Don't forget the Mk8 has got cylinder deactivation though.
@@CarObsession thats what I meant. If you hold the speed it may consum less but while accelerating it consums more then the old car. Thats the same with the BMWs. Unless you reall accelerate gently these things need more fuel.
I had a test drive of the new ST. Liked it but the cost to buy and run was a downer. In addition, the gearbox on it was shocking though. Struggled to get in to 2nd and 3rd on occasions. The salesman said I was not the first to comment on it.
Have since ordered an ST-Line 140ps
Hello 800Viffer, thanks for watching. I had no problem getting from to 3rd from 2nd, so maybe that dealer has a slightly dodgy model as a demo?
@@CarObsession I am convinced it was that car. And it was getting into either gear rather than just 2nd from 3rd. Had watched a lot of reviews and nobody has mentioned it. If I was buying one I would have tested a different car. Would have liked to have bought a full ST but hey ho.
ST-Line is still good fun though!
@@CarObsession Absolutely. And as you know I liked your review of the ST-Line đ
St line is for old people or people that cant afford full fat ST stop kidding yourself.
Although I like both the old one looks more boy racer while the new looks a bit pensioner.
Yeah, I definitely think the new one has been designed to have a broader audience, and therefore, of course, sell better. Thanks for watching.
not as composed lacking that LSD (pause)... lol
You definitely were changing gears way to early in the Mk7
Hi Tom, I wouldn't say it was way too early if I'm going to be honest, plus there were some points where I had to as I either had traffic in front of me (that area was quite busy at the time of filming due to rush hour) and I needed to ensure I wasn't driving too fast. Thanks for watching.
@@CarObsession fair enough with traffic but should be using 2nd + 3rd up to 6k or taking it right to rev limiter
@@tomosjohn230 I was taking it up to the rev limiter buddy. Whether or not that made the edit or not is a different matter. I also spoke about how the Mk7 is sweeter to rev out than the Mk8 and the only way I know that would be by actually doing it. I may not have revved it out the whole time, but I did make sure to use the full rev range where possible đ If the video doesn't reflect that then it's just how it happened to be edited. Thanks for the feedback.
@@CarObsession just might not have been in video, was a great watch though! đ
@@tomosjohn230 I had to edit a few bits out as I didn't want to make the video too long, plus I wanted to give both cars an equal amount of screen time đ
The new fiesta had so much potential such a shame! Rear completely ruined. Some nice interior improvements but that stuck on pad though!! Really don't like the front led light design aswell especially compared to the old one seen the leds on some standard new fiestas and it just looks pretty weird in person.
Hi itzzaster, thanks for watching. A few people have complained about the way in which the touchscreen looks, but I don't really get the issue. Yeah, it does look like a bit of an afterthought, but Ford is not the only brand to be guilty of such a design. Plus I would still take that over the dozens of buttons found in the Mk7.
The Noo ST ?
Let's not split hairs here, you know what I mean pal đ Thanks for pointing this out though; it seems as if I've fallen in to the habit of pronouncing 'new' as 'noo' like the Americans do - not sure how that's happened. I'll work on this moving forward, thanks for watching.
@@CarObsession Yeah, I know it may sound petty in the great scheme of things but it stuck out for me every time you said it, maybe because the rest was ok. đ
Fair enough pal, it's not the first time someone has criticised the way I talk and I'm sure it won't be the last! I hope it didn't ruin the rest of the video for you.
@Car Obsession No, didn't spoil it at all. All the reviews I've seen comparing the 2 cars seem to say the same things. I prefer the mk7, I have a 5 door 2017 ST and I love it. I prefer the inside of the new ST. Pity they didn't merge the power train with an electric motor for instant pounce off the line torque.
My mobile made some silly auto corrects on my last message. You must think I am a right pleb. Or perhaps I need a NOO mobile. :-)
old one looks better
Agreed, it looks more aggressive. Thanks for watching.
The new engine sounds so much better.
So the sound test winner was the one that sounds like (is) a three cylinder and that has the fake pops mapped into it from the factory đ oh dear.
Fake or not, it still sounds better đThanks for watching Alex.
Weâll have to agree to disagree on that one...most car people I know would argue that a three cylinder never sounds better. Louder and grumbles a bit to be fair but you can still hear that 3 pot engine through the exhaust and itâs off-putting for me at least. Much prefer the sound of a two rotor đ
Great video btw!
@@Dagr8soldjer Real car people will tell you that the 3-pot sounds a lot better than the old one. Tested it with mine and some friends. Don't mention that it's only a 3-pot so people don't go into it with any prejudices. Most of the people just say that it sounds bad because they have a fixed opinion on 3-pots already. Be more open to new stuff...
3TimesFaster âreal car peopleâ. Immediate arrogance off the bat. Real car people donât buy fiestaâs mate. It sounds like shit because they gave it all those mapped in pops to help people deny their crippling insecurity. âIt needs to pop and bang so I feel coolâ.
3TimesFaster the irony is that real car people like variety and uniqueness. Not another finance kid whoâs spoiled by his parents and gets a stock ST. Unfortunately the demographic that the ST was made for just happens to be the polar opposite of a real car person. Car people respect each other for turning cars that most would turn their heads at into stunning builds of their own design. Whether itâs static, bagged, drift missile, track car, resto-mod or even rat rod, all builds and passions are appreciated but going to the dealership and signing a PCP is not passion and unfortunately thatâs what the ST was made for:
Itâs funny how itâs just the chavs who think the Mk7 looks better. Itâs for that reason why I prefer the Mk8 rear. It looks more like a grown up car like a Golf. Understated is good, unless youâre an 18 year old chav. And the interior looks sooo much nicer.
scotthunter4 Um mate iâm not a chav and iâd take the mk7 over the mk8 anyday lol who the fuck buys a sports car and wants it to look grown up, go get a jaguar XF you old fart.
scotthunter4 the rear of the mk8 looks like a fucking B-max.
Phi phi everyone said the same when the m7 first arrived comparing to the previous model.just picked up the m8 I can assure you itâs itâs much much better fantastic
This guy looks a lot like Andrew Tateđ
That's a new one on me! Look up Bubba Wallace
#ecoboom I'll never touch a shitty ford ever again. Absolutely disgusting customer service, disgusting company.
Ford are twats, both the STâs look too much like the Zetec S or ST-line. Make them look special atleast
Neither. Get a Subaru WRX STI instead.
I suppose it depends on what you're looking for - you can't really compare a Fiesta ST to a WRX STi, they're different kind of cars. Thanks for watching Ernie,
Get a focus rs