***** I understand. Being absolute renegade means losing many points because of killing and destroying some characters, databases and ships and all that stuff. That's why I am not fully renegade. Absolute renegade has just one cool feature - face that can stop a reaper)
Shepard confessing to Garrus she just delivered an entire Species to extinction. Garrus conclusion: "Remind me never to play Poker with you." Just gold!
The Krogans will not go extinct. Mordin explains in Mass Effect 2 that the rate of the genophage is just the right amount for maintaining the Krogan population.
Please... Mordin did take into account the sociological nature of the krogans when he calculated the effectiveness of the genophage. Don't accuse him of being sloppy.
@@stevenlittrel2648 Yeah, Wrex is smart, but Wreav never figures it out. I've never actually not cured it in all the times I've had Wrex, but I remember looking it up; a consequence is that I would petition the council afterwards for the salarians to lose their council seat; they basically sit out the war when everyone else goes all in with us. I get more volus and batarian support for Christ sakes.
Had to be him, someone else might have gotten it wrong. Which roughly translates as "Shepard, listen, if you let me die, whoever comes in the next game to replace me is going to fuck everything up"
This is why Garrus is my favourite side character (other than Legion, because, ya know, he's Legion!)- right through ME3 he's there whenever Shepard needs him, letting Shep confide in him, looking after Shep, making sure Shep's getting enough sleep. He's the only character that Shep is honest and open with, and trusts Garrus enoufh to tell him Shep's doubts and worries. He's also the only one who thinks to ask Shep whether Shep's family got out okay. As Honest Trailers put it- the best alien bro since Chewbacca.
Hm, i personally found her a little standoffish. She was my first playthrough's romance option (i came to the series late, after ME3 had just come out), and I only find Liara's relationship with Shepard interesting, deep and meaningful if you play the Lair of The Shadow Broker DLC AND read the companion books to learn Liara was the one who tracked down Shepard's body and gave it to Cerberus to resurrect him. Based on just the in-game stuff, i rate the romances Garrus>Tali>Liara>everybody else>single cell protozoa on Saturn>Jacob. Garrus and Tali were open about their emotions with Shepard. Every character is fairly emotionlessly acted in ME1, except Wrex, but Garrus and Tali are massively better in ME2/ME3. Liara starts emotionless, and for most of the time stays that way. As i said, her romance is only any good with the LOTSB DLC. My problem with every companion except Garrus is that they are mostly "this is what you can do for me", whereas Garrus is "let me help you". Shepard and Liara have a couple of lovely heart to hearts, and a few touching moments, especially surprising when you consider Shepard did shoot her mother, but they never seemed like equal partners in the relationship. They were never really honest and open with each othee after ME1. It's like they stayed together out of inertia or something, because those two years where Shepard was dead created a gap between them that they never really seem to breach. There's always a certain emotional distance between them. As i said, what i like about Garrus's romance is the concern he shows for Shepard and the way Shepard confides in him like with no-one else. The way he is the only one Shepard trusts to admit he doesn't know whether what he's doing is right, and his uncertainty about whether they'll win. And Garrus lets Shepard talk, and reassures him/her. And there is also the fact that i think he is the only romance that outright says " i love you" to Shepard. I've romanced Liara, Tali, Miranda, Jack and Garrus so far, and Garrus is the only one i recall that actually says those three words. Garrus and Shepard just seem to have a connection that the other romances lack. I've really got to congratulate Bioware though. Most of the romances are pretty damn good. It just that Garrus and Tali are epic. It's not lime in Dragon Age where i've only ever wanted to romance Morrigan and Cassandra. In the ME series, i have wanted to romance almost every character at some point.
Honestly, if Wrex is dead I feel like this is the best outcome. Wreav is a warmongering SoB. Without Wrex around to guide the Krogan, it's better to keep the Genophage around. And if you're not gonna end it, there's no point in killing Mordin as well ^.^
+James Sinn The only way Mordin would go along with it is if Eve was also dead. If Wrex and Eve were both dead, then obviously, the genophage must _not_ be cured, because then there'd be no one to stop Wreav, and he is certain to lead the krogans into the rebellions again.
+Diablos Yep, true, I kinda regret curing it now, because I started with ME2 and Wrex was dead by default, and then Eve died in the bomb mission which I could've sworn I've gotten the email that it went off at the bloody start of the game. Should've saved Mordin, love that bastard.
+Diablos I'm assuming they're talking about the mission on Tachanka in ME3 with the Turians where you're trying to disable a nuke before Cerberus sets it off (and thus hiding the fact that the Turians hid a nuke on Tachanka from the Krogans). As an aside, I wasn't aware that failure to do this mission was a factor that could kill Eve (I thought the only factor that mattered was having Malon's research data). Could be wrong, though.
I love Garrus, he just takes things as you go along. He's so chill with everything even if hell is raining down upon everything.He's not the *best* in battle but he's certainly the best companion.
+Rare Black Magic Not the best in battle? He held all three gangs single handedly, decimating their troops like lambs for the slaughter, for perhaps days. Name one person other than Shepard who could've done this.
+Aaron A. Wrex may be a krogan - the strongest krogan of his time - but all he's gonna do is charge in and slaughter everyone he sees. Eventually, he's gonna run outta juice and collapse. Zaeed, for all his dangerousness and epicness, needed Shepard to get to Vido. All in all, neither of them can compare to Garrus Fricking Vakarian.
There's a reason that Garrus is the only person Shepard tells about the deal. He's the only one who will accept the choices Shepard makes and truly understand why some actions need to be taken. As much as I love Tali she would have objected to the deal with Dalatrass. Garrus knew exactly what question he was asking Shepard and he understood why it had to be made and gave no judgement. This is why he is the best squadmate and a worthy successor.
Yeah realistically speaking I don't think even Eve could temper him. In current krogan society females have very little political voice. With Wrex changing the way other krogan think, Eve and other female krogan get more power... but with Wreav? Nope. Too bad the only way to save Mordin is for her to die.
+Camila Fayad That is not correct. The females hold more sway than you think, or did you not see the scene where Eve single-handedly stopped the Krogan Clans from fighting each other because Wrex brought Mordin? Or did you forget that Wrex's plan to Unite Tuchunka was actually the plan of a Female Krogan?
actually due to the genophage women had the final say due to them being the only chance for the krogan it is likely after the genophage is cured that that will continue if for nothing else than tradition
Everything about Garrus is a masterpiece! His combat, his charisma, his eye piece, that sexy voice, he is definitely one of my favorite characters in Mass Effect up to Mass Effect 3 (next to my waifu Tali)
@@michaelheinrich4877 that's the easy way. The truly rough one is the renegade sequence with Wrex on Citadel after he learns you lied about curing the genophage.
Garrus, my fucking brother from another alien always backing me up, through mass effect 1,2, and 3 i have him on my squad in about 9 out of 10 missions.
From what I have seen throughout the series,it seems to me that it was intentional having Shepard with more chemistry towards the non-human characters.
I could see that, I mean like the only human Shepard gets along with great....is joker? I mean maybe Kaiden too (definitely not Ashley with her being space racist..at least until like mid ME3). Doctor chakwas has some fun moments, but only like 1-2 each game. Traynor is pretty good, and honestly I think I was being a little hard on Vega (maybe the citadel DLC does a lot for him here? Not sure.). I think Kasumi would've been good if they got the Shepard voice actors to do dialogue in the Normandy with her in ME2. That's about it though, the rest are forgetable; speaking of forgetable, did anyone care about pressly or Adams pre-ME3? They said the samethings from beginning to end. The most character development pressly got was a few sentences on a notepad in the ME2 Normandy crash site mission.
@@AsharOzborne95 Meh, if he's loyal I think. Maybe gets along with is a bad way to put it, he gets along with a lot of them. Seems interesting, or has in common maybe fits better?
@@Camelotsmoon Oh okay, so you're trying to say that Shepard has more... In-depth / fascinating / engaging / enthusiastic conversations and relationships with aliens rather than humans more often than not? Am I close? Or did ya have something else in mind?
Ok right. I am not going to bug anyone with how much I adore Garrus, his character design is flawless, his personality is well balenced and he's overall a loveable and most importantly a believable character. Woops. Well at least it was short. Did anyone else notice that Garrus does not have much of a flang in his voice? It is noticeable at some points but it is not nearly as noticable as the Turian Counsils, Nihlus or Saren's twang. It is a trait amongst turians apparently, and again Garrus DOES have it, just barely noticeable. In case someone doesn't know what I mean by a flang, I'll spare you a google trip: In this particular context I mean the 'second layer' of the turian's voices that is down-pitched, causing two voices coming out as one, for the lack of a better term.
The flanging in his voice was definitely stronger in ME1. I always chalked it up to him being on human ships, around humans, so he's gotten used to not needing to use subvocals to get his point across. However, you can definitely hear it clearly in his voice when he's yelling that he killed someone on the battlefield. "Scratch one!"
Turians subvocals tend to kick up in pitch when they're overexcited for whatever reason. Since the turian councilor is always pissed at you, and Nihlus was tense before the mission, then surprised at Saren it makes sense that the flanging is louder. If you go back to Garrus's loyalty mission you can very clearly hear his subvocals when he's shouting at Harkin. He is PISSED
Saving Mordin is the optimal choice if doing a non-import run (i.e. Wrex dead, Maelon's research destroyed, therefore Wreav is in charge and Eve dies). If Wrex is alive and you sabotage the cure, that means killing both Mordin and Wrex, in which case what the FUCK dude, but Garrus's reaction to that is one of the best scenes in the game.
Mass Effect isn't dead and never will be. It lives on in our memories and whenever we feel like playing the original trilogy again. Or are you going to tell me you got rid of your PS3 or Xbox or whichever you play Mass Effect on?
@@yoshikagekira2132 no disrespect but that's all melodramatic BS. Yes Andromeda was a let-down but remind me again how does that stop us from remembering the original trilogy that came before it? How does that stop us from replaying it as I've said if that's what we want? One bad game does not kill a series has the series Justified existing will always be there whenever we want to remember or replay it. So just stop with the melodramatics please and thank you
@@JustShin11 i never forget the series and never will but think about it if bioware cared about the series they would have remastered the original series and this will give new life to the original and new fans
@@yoshikagekira2132 honestly that's not true because as much as I love a good remaster as anyone ultimately there nothing more than games that we already own and or have played upgraded graphically for the newer system and of course a new way to get trophies or achievements or whatever. The very fact that the games exist and it's loved so much despite the one blemish means it will never die. As I've said repeatedly I could replay the trilogy anytime I want and so can you and so can everyone else. In fact I've been thinking about replaying it for the longest time especially for me because after all this time and all the times I played the game there still many choices that I never made that I would like to make for my own personal story and enjoyment and of course space snipers no enemy can touch me LOL
'Remind me not to play poker with you' I laughed to hard and it wasn't that funny XD Then again.. Garrus is one of the best. Liara is first best. (In my opinion.)
IMO, Tali was best. She was so plucky and determined... and able to melt your brain with her omnitool. Wrex was just fucking awesome and hilarious. Garrus was just as fucking awesome, bro-for-life material there. Liara always gave me a really offputting vibe. Like she was a serial killer trying to act normal all the time. Once I got to the third game and she was the Shadow Broker, I actually trusted her *more* because she acted like a person I could relate to.
@@Egalitariat-likesecretariat The strange thing is, I could relate to Liara in the first game more so than the sequels because I'm pretty akward irl. I didn't really realize the reason she became so much harder emotionally in ME2/ME3 is because she felt vulnerable when Shepard died. I mean romance wise it would be obvious she may feel that way, but even if you don't romance her, she is still in a precarious position with the N7 trained solider gone that was protecting her; After all Saren did try to kidnap her to help him with prothean technology, and her mother died in-front of her (or at least for me she did, because of course I took her to Noveria). When I realized that it made me feel even more for her, and she's still my bae 💙.
I recently found out that if you do the "Leviathan" dlc before Tuchanka, assuming you have both Wrex and Eve alive, then if you sabotage the cure, Wrex isn't going to attack Sherpard on the Citadel, probably because the Leviathans indoctrinate the Krogan in order to keep them in line. I know this is immoral and unethical but I'm tempted to do it in order to get the support of both fleets (I haven't made up my mind yet), which might be necessary if I want to unlock all endings besides "Control", since I kept the Collector base back in "Mass Effect 2". And before you say anything about dooming the Krogans, Mordin isn't stupid, he would have stored the data he used to make the cure somewhere as a backup plan. So while the Krogans might be kept from the cure now, in the future, after the war, it can be replicated and spread in an alternative way. I know this is risky, because the deaths they'll suffer could keep them from reaching that age due to insufficient population, but that's exactly why Okeer created Grunt, so that his existance could influence the Krogans to carry the Genophage but ignore it, which means, maybe their deaths wouldn't so many, should they be truly strong. And if that fails, well, there's always the option of dissection in order to know how he was made and clone him so that the race has a chance at survival until a new cure can be created.
I think it's a bug because the Leviathans kinda passive aggressively say that they will not fight but will just aggressively defend themselves, since if they would actually with good intentions they would deal serious blow to the reapers, evidenced by how they disabled an entire sovereign class reaper and took control of it's husks.
I can’t even think of another game that has this many branching storylines. Ending aside, the different dialogues you get based on choices really makes you feel part of the story, even if there was only one ending.
@@kilroy6429 long story short, Wreave unlike his brood brother Wrex who is more for unifying the Krogan for better future but Wreave is a warmonger through and through. Eve could potentially stop him if she's alive but with her dead there's nothing stopping him.
It's annoying that killing Wrex in ME1 will get you more war assets if you play your cards like that. I like Wrex a lot, but in the long run I need more fleets to retake Earth.
I like to think this scene brightened Garrus's day, if only a little. Not only does he find out that the salarians are helping on top of the krogan, but he doesn't have to worry about a 2nd coming of the krogan rebellions after the reapers and that one of his friends is alive
I could never convince Mordin, he either dies saving the Krogan or he dies with a bullet to the back. Let me guess, Mordin still doesn't show at the party
His people had a massive war with the Krogan and it cost millions of lives... the genophage was the only solution they could come up with without decimating both races and multiple worlds. He figured it was for the best in the long run given Wreav was in charge.
He's neutral good. Doesn't like the law getting in his way, but doesn't want pure chaos. Generally is trying to do the right thing and is usually succsessful.
The building was collapsing. The only way he could be sure that it would even have anything remotely higher than a 0% chance of working is if he broke the fourth wall and was just following a script. How can anyone logically look at a building blowing up and falling down and say "Yep, it's power and all internal structure is totally holding." you can't.
If Wrex didn't survive Virmire and Bakara died on Tuchanka, Mordin absolutely needed to survive. Not just to help with the Crucible, but to eventually cure the Genophage on his terms rather than Wreav's.
Mordin himself said that there was no time to dispense the cure with the war going on so the shroud was truly the only viable option with the constraints imposed upon them during the war
Not much, I was really hoping the Citadel mission could've been opened before Tuchanka. =/ You get some audio datapad from him. It's him singing and giving you an update on where he's been hiding all this time. It's funny if you want to look it up but the party scene sucks without him. Hell I'd love to at least see Padok Wiks there. =[
I always save Wrex and the council in ME1. That way when I cure the Genophage and save the Salarian Councilor, I get the best of both worlds. Krogans cured, Salarians in debt to me. Everyone is happy.
@@Chirpysemperboy I keep trying to get Kirrahe from ME1 saved but I think he died due to me being out of time to deal with the turrets and or alarms which is very difficult.
@@Firan25 It does - but that's the price for peace. Besides, he goes out undoing his worst mistake, fulfilling his life's work, and atoning for his crimes. I loved Mordin, and honestly? This is the best end for him, and the galaxy.
Then you either failed to do his loyalty mission, you failed to fully do all the upgrades (not sure which affect Mordin), or you assigned him to a task he was not suited to during the suicide mission. As long as you do all the loyalty missions, do all the upgrades, and assign people intelligently during the actual mission, no one will die.
This kept happening to me with him being loyal and all he would just be the only one dead when you leave every one else to fight the human reaper. Best way to keep him alive is to send him back with the rest of the crew or just dr chawkwas
Mordin is the first to die out of the people defending the door whilst you fight the boss if they don't have enough combined strength. Basically it's best to leave at least two out of Garrus, Grunt and Zaeed there (i.e. don't have more than one of them in your party) to make sure nobody dies holding the door. It's annoying because it can happen even if you did everything right with the loyalty missions, upgrades and assignments during the mission etc, but it's easily preventable.
I like Wrex and Eve, but I like Mordin more. I hate that you couldn't use basic logic to persuade them into finding another way to get the cure. Wreave would've been unreasonable but if Wrex can be talked down from attacking you for the genophage cure in ME1 he should've been more than willing to listen to "the shroud tower is collapsing and nonfunctional, we have to find another way to disperse the cure."
Same here, though I do it more out of what I would do if I had the choice and my own morals...that and I think it's worth giving the Krogan a chance, even if they are run by Wrex or Wreav with Eve. Hell, I think I'd do the same thing even if I did a Renegade run through
Same here. The way i figure it out, worse come to worst, the Crucible would not work and thus we'll all face eventual extinction. Evil or not, (cured) Krogans are blessed with 1000 year old life-spans, and insane birth rate. Even if we're going to lose, the Krogans is our best chance to extend the war as long as possible.
Wrex is more than a rabid dog, he has sense enough to keep his cards close to his vest and wouldn't trust any outcome unless he knew it was going to pay off in his favor, and when dealing with racist Salarians it's always best to have an insurance policy in case a certain someone tries to play both sides
Wrex if alive will attempt to kill Shep after the mission in Tunchanka which will result in the death of Wrex in ME3. Killing him in ME1 seems to be the right options in many people's eyes...
It’s really not that of a thing to do if Wreav is the leader and you don’t straight up murder Mordan. But if you sabotage the cure with Wrex as the leader you’re doing an evil play through.
If that character was imported from ME1/ME2, then disregard the rest of this. If not, check My Documents/BioWare/Mass Effect 3 and find the folder that corresponds to the name of that character. Use Gibbed's ME3 Save Editor and you can locate the face code.
Thanks. It's either 863.JBG.K2L.28S.GEW.1G7.2WB.22W.W23.W28.111.161 or 131.W89.G1E.727.FFF.16I.FLC.146.A71.9G3.6FB.161 or 2214BHHH9K8GKGW15T61P1E7CC61B52C5266. I had multiple female characters, now I can't remember which one is her. Sorry!
I was just answering you question about how it helped against the reapers, not sure what Garrus meant with "A few years ago, I would've said you paid too much." Probaly something like dick move but necessary dick move.
Yeah, they should have had an option in like ME2, where you can choose which fleet does which job and how badly the casualties are for it or not if you choose well. Turians or Quarians protecting the Catalyst Turians or Quarians or Geth engaging the enemy fleet to break through to the citadel. Krogan or Geth on ground support etc. And show a massive battle that actually matters and if your fleet strength is high enough, you can defeat the Reapers without even using star kid and the catalyst, you just win by uniting the galaxy and working together.
Why are Bioware's characters ALWAYS so dead looking in their appearences !?. Look at most other games released around the same time, during cutscenes, their characters looks more alive then any of Bioware has ever done. Compare Horizon Zero Dawn with Faildromeda... for example. One is a fantastic game while the other is a piece of rushed junk.
*Garrus*: Remind me to never play Poker with you.
*Unknown to Garrus, Engineer Kenneth learned the hard way*
+Diablos Don't remember that scene exactly, but "Winning your superior officer is not good for your career". Renegade Shepard rules.
+Paul Akama
No no. Renegade Shepard sucks. That is being a pure dirtbag.
+Diablos The Paragon is better: Be easy with the newbie
+Mauro Daniel D'Ambrosio
A pretty old trick.
***** I understand. Being absolute renegade means losing many points because of killing and destroying some characters, databases and ships and all that stuff. That's why I am not fully renegade. Absolute renegade has just one cool feature - face that can stop a reaper)
Shepard confessing to Garrus she just delivered an entire Species to extinction. Garrus conclusion: "Remind me never to play Poker with you." Just gold!
Soon after sheperd replied we'll bang ok?
Ak47 ehhhhh!
The Krogans will not go extinct. Mordin explains in Mass Effect 2 that the rate of the genophage is just the right amount for maintaining the Krogan population.
But not when taking the pretty violent Nature of Krogan into Account.
Please... Mordin did take into account the sociological nature of the krogans when he calculated the effectiveness of the genophage. Don't accuse him of being sloppy.
I love the reference to what would have happened with Wrex still alive: Wrex may have figured it out;)
Thing is he does, then... Wrex jumps you... at the citadel. I feel horrible! I'm sorry Wrex! ;(
@@stevenlittrel2648 Yeah, Wrex is smart, but Wreav never figures it out. I've never actually not cured it in all the times I've had Wrex, but I remember looking it up; a consequence is that I would petition the council afterwards for the salarians to lose their council seat; they basically sit out the war when everyone else goes all in with us. I get more volus and batarian support for Christ sakes.
If wrex survived virmire and you don't cure the genophage he does in fact figure it out, and attacks you while you're at the citadel...
Not murdering or betraying Wrex is the right choice.
Had to be him, someone else might have gotten it wrong.
Which roughly translates as "Shepard, listen, if you let me die, whoever comes in the next game to replace me is going to fuck everything up"
This is why Garrus is my favourite side character (other than Legion, because, ya know, he's Legion!)- right through ME3 he's there whenever Shepard needs him, letting Shep confide in him, looking after Shep, making sure Shep's getting enough sleep. He's the only character that Shep is honest and open with, and trusts Garrus enoufh to tell him Shep's doubts and worries. He's also the only one who thinks to ask Shep whether Shep's family got out okay.
As Honest Trailers put it- the best alien bro since Chewbacca.
I mean companion, not side character.
James Bennett Liara is quite concerned for Shep too
Hm, i personally found her a little standoffish. She was my first playthrough's romance option (i came to the series late, after ME3 had just come out), and I only find Liara's relationship with Shepard interesting, deep and meaningful if you play the Lair of The Shadow Broker DLC AND read the companion books to learn Liara was the one who tracked down Shepard's body and gave it to Cerberus to resurrect him.
Based on just the in-game stuff, i rate the romances Garrus>Tali>Liara>everybody else>single cell protozoa on Saturn>Jacob.
Garrus and Tali were open about their emotions with Shepard. Every character is fairly emotionlessly acted in ME1, except Wrex, but Garrus and Tali are massively better in ME2/ME3. Liara starts emotionless, and for most of the time stays that way.
As i said, her romance is only any good with the LOTSB DLC.
My problem with every companion except Garrus is that they are mostly "this is what you can do for me", whereas Garrus is "let me help you".
Shepard and Liara have a couple of lovely heart to hearts, and a few touching moments, especially surprising when you consider Shepard did shoot her mother, but they never seemed like equal partners in the relationship. They were never really honest and open with each othee after ME1. It's like they stayed together out of inertia or something, because those two years where Shepard was dead created a gap between them that they never really seem to breach. There's always a certain emotional distance between them.
As i said, what i like about Garrus's romance is the concern he shows for Shepard and the way Shepard confides in him like with no-one else. The way he is the only one Shepard trusts to admit he doesn't know whether what he's doing is right, and his uncertainty about whether they'll win. And Garrus lets Shepard talk, and reassures him/her.
And there is also the fact that i think he is the only romance that outright says " i love you" to Shepard. I've romanced Liara, Tali, Miranda, Jack and Garrus so far, and Garrus is the only one i recall that actually says those three words.
Garrus and Shepard just seem to have a connection that the other romances lack.
I've really got to congratulate Bioware though. Most of the romances are pretty damn good. It just that Garrus and Tali are epic. It's not lime in Dragon Age where i've only ever wanted to romance Morrigan and Cassandra. In the ME series, i have wanted to romance almost every character at some point.
Whoa, i didn't realise how long that reply was. Oops.
James Bennett Omg I'll try to read that whole comment and the reply back :D
Honestly, if Wrex is dead I feel like this is the best outcome. Wreav is a warmongering SoB. Without Wrex around to guide the Krogan, it's better to keep the Genophage around. And if you're not gonna end it, there's no point in killing Mordin as well ^.^
+James Sinn
The only way Mordin would go along with it is if Eve was also dead. If Wrex and Eve were both dead, then obviously, the genophage must _not_ be cured, because then there'd be no one to stop Wreav, and he is certain to lead the krogans into the rebellions again.
+Diablos Yep, true, I kinda regret curing it now, because I started with ME2 and Wrex was dead by default, and then Eve died in the bomb mission which I could've sworn I've gotten the email that it went off at the bloody start of the game. Should've saved Mordin, love that bastard.
+Hellena
What bomb mission?
+Diablos I'm assuming they're talking about the mission on Tachanka in ME3 with the Turians where you're trying to disable a nuke before Cerberus sets it off (and thus hiding the fact that the Turians hid a nuke on Tachanka from the Krogans).
As an aside, I wasn't aware that failure to do this mission was a factor that could kill Eve (I thought the only factor that mattered was having Malon's research data). Could be wrong, though.
+James Sinn
I knew it would kill a lot of krogans, but not that it would kill Eve. Apparently, it does.
I love Garrus, he just takes things as you go along. He's so chill with everything even if hell is raining down upon everything.He's not the *best* in battle but he's certainly the best companion.
+Rare Black Magic
Not the best in battle? He held all three gangs single handedly, decimating their troops like lambs for the slaughter, for perhaps days. Name one person other than Shepard who could've done this.
Wrex probably and maybe Zaeed, guy did blow a turian dreadnought with some help
+Aaron A.
Wrex may be a krogan - the strongest krogan of his time - but all he's gonna do is charge in and slaughter everyone he sees. Eventually, he's gonna run outta juice and collapse. Zaeed, for all his dangerousness and epicness, needed Shepard to get to Vido. All in all, neither of them can compare to Garrus Fricking Vakarian.
3 words about Wrex: Redundant Nervous System
+Mauro Daniel D'Ambrosio
*Shepard*: Yeah... Humans don't have those.
There's a reason that Garrus is the only person Shepard tells about the deal. He's the only one who will accept the choices Shepard makes and truly understand why some actions need to be taken. As much as I love Tali she would have objected to the deal with Dalatrass. Garrus knew exactly what question he was asking Shepard and he understood why it had to be made and gave no judgement. This is why he is the best squadmate and a worthy successor.
And that is why i always keep Wrex alive and he brings WAY more power than Salarians
Ivan Kovacevic
true..
his just old gooldie. i cant see him gone
kirrahe is the only Salarian support i need
what does DC stand for? hold the line
hell so long as the salarian councilor doesn't die, you get them anyway
unfortunately without wrex the krogan would start a new war this is the best option when dealing with wreav
Yeah realistically speaking I don't think even Eve could temper him. In current krogan society females have very little political voice. With Wrex changing the way other krogan think, Eve and other female krogan get more power... but with Wreav? Nope. Too bad the only way to save Mordin is for her to die.
+Camila Fayad That is not correct.
The females hold more sway than you think, or did you not see the scene where Eve single-handedly stopped the Krogan Clans from fighting each other because Wrex brought Mordin?
Or did you forget that Wrex's plan to Unite Tuchunka was actually the plan of a Female Krogan?
actually due to the genophage women had the final say due to them being the only chance for the krogan it is likely after the genophage is cured that that will continue if for nothing else than tradition
eve kept wreav on a short least. he didn't end up starting a war. at least in my ending.
They would start it anyway. Wrex is not immortal, krogans will repopulate and run out of space and resources again. History will repeat itself.
Everything about Garrus is a masterpiece! His combat, his charisma, his eye piece, that sexy voice, he is definitely one of my favorite characters in Mass Effect up to Mass Effect 3 (next to my waifu Tali)
Garrus is the best husbando
I agree, Tali is best waifu
I love that both are available as companions in the 3 games.
I'm glad these vids exist because I can't let Wrex die to find out this dialogue lol.
Garrus talking about his home world being decimated is so poignant. It makes the whole mass effect universe feel so alive
I wish he had a Brian Blessed "MORDIN'S ALIVE?!" style response
If you had anything Brian Blessed he could shout "OH FUCK OFF" at the Reapers and they've leave.
God, your heart breaks. Either Wrex winds up dead or Mordin does. :(
Or both. I did that run just week ago. Ultra renegade, fun as hell.
@@TealJosh i tried, but i failed in me1, because it was so devastating painful
@@michaelheinrich4877 that's the easy way. The truly rough one is the renegade sequence with Wrex on Citadel after he learns you lied about curing the genophage.
And that is why I would never kill Wrex off in my playthrough, "Wreav is just too stupid" Garrus himself said so
That femshepard is a perfect clone of Emily Wong, good job.
Felype Rennan old comment, I know. But to me, this shep looks more like Traynor
She looks like Brynn
Garrus, my fucking brother from another alien always backing me up, through mass effect 1,2, and 3 i have him on my squad in about 9 out of 10 missions.
God I love Garrus
From what I have seen throughout the series,it seems to me that it was intentional having Shepard with more chemistry towards the non-human characters.
Every worthy human in Mass Effect has more chemistry with aliens than with other humans. It's like there's a message there.
I could see that, I mean like the only human Shepard gets along with great....is joker? I mean maybe Kaiden too (definitely not Ashley with her being space racist..at least until like mid ME3). Doctor chakwas has some fun moments, but only like 1-2 each game. Traynor is pretty good, and honestly I think I was being a little hard on Vega (maybe the citadel DLC does a lot for him here? Not sure.). I think Kasumi would've been good if they got the Shepard voice actors to do dialogue in the Normandy with her in ME2. That's about it though, the rest are forgetable; speaking of forgetable, did anyone care about pressly or Adams pre-ME3? They said the samethings from beginning to end. The most character development pressly got was a few sentences on a notepad in the ME2 Normandy crash site mission.
@@Camelotsmoon Zaeed? Maybe not me2, but definitely me3: citadel right?
@@AsharOzborne95 Meh, if he's loyal I think. Maybe gets along with is a bad way to put it, he gets along with a lot of them. Seems interesting, or has in common maybe fits better?
@@Camelotsmoon Oh okay, so you're trying to say that Shepard has more... In-depth / fascinating / engaging / enthusiastic conversations and relationships with aliens rather than humans more often than not?
Am I close? Or did ya have something else in mind?
Ok right. I am not going to bug anyone with how much I adore Garrus, his character design is flawless, his personality is well balenced and he's overall a loveable and most importantly a believable character.
Woops. Well at least it was short.
Did anyone else notice that Garrus does not have much of a flang in his voice? It is noticeable at some points but it is not nearly as noticable as the Turian Counsils, Nihlus or Saren's twang. It is a trait amongst turians apparently, and again Garrus DOES have it, just barely noticeable.
In case someone doesn't know what I mean by a flang, I'll spare you a google trip: In this particular context I mean the 'second layer' of the turian's voices that is down-pitched, causing two voices coming out as one, for the lack of a better term.
+Limelines Garrus always said he didn't think of himself as a good Turian :P
Urchie2009 True XD
The flanging in his voice was definitely stronger in ME1. I always chalked it up to him being on human ships, around humans, so he's gotten used to not needing to use subvocals to get his point across. However, you can definitely hear it clearly in his voice when he's yelling that he killed someone on the battlefield. "Scratch one!"
Turians subvocals tend to kick up in pitch when they're overexcited for whatever reason. Since the turian councilor is always pissed at you, and Nihlus was tense before the mission, then surprised at Saren it makes sense that the flanging is louder. If you go back to Garrus's loyalty mission you can very clearly hear his subvocals when he's shouting at Harkin. He is PISSED
That makes sense! I always figured the flanging gets louder when turians are excited or angry. Like the councillor... all the time.
Always weird seeing other people's Shepard. I mean, it's her voice but she's not my Shepard.
Saving Mordin is the optimal choice if doing a non-import run (i.e. Wrex dead, Maelon's research destroyed, therefore Wreav is in charge and Eve dies). If Wrex is alive and you sabotage the cure, that means killing both Mordin and Wrex, in which case what the FUCK dude, but Garrus's reaction to that is one of the best scenes in the game.
Gosh, Garrus' voice performance...! So... good.
"if I die in here I'll kill Joker." - Wrex ﾟ(;_;)
All of you just remember mass effect died for Anthem
Mass Effect isn't dead and never will be. It lives on in our memories and whenever we feel like playing the original trilogy again. Or are you going to tell me you got rid of your PS3 or Xbox or whichever you play Mass Effect on?
@@JustShin11 i played them all on pc i want to believe you but im not gonna lie to myself after i finished andromeda
@@yoshikagekira2132 no disrespect but that's all melodramatic BS. Yes Andromeda was a let-down but remind me again how does that stop us from remembering the original trilogy that came before it? How does that stop us from replaying it as I've said if that's what we want? One bad game does not kill a series has the series Justified existing will always be there whenever we want to remember or replay it. So just stop with the melodramatics please and thank you
@@JustShin11 i never forget the series and never will but think about it if bioware cared about the series they would have remastered the original series and this will give new life to the original and new fans
@@yoshikagekira2132 honestly that's not true because as much as I love a good remaster as anyone ultimately there nothing more than games that we already own and or have played upgraded graphically for the newer system and of course a new way to get trophies or achievements or whatever. The very fact that the games exist and it's loved so much despite the one blemish means it will never die. As I've said repeatedly I could replay the trilogy anytime I want and so can you and so can everyone else. In fact I've been thinking about replaying it for the longest time especially for me because after all this time and all the times I played the game there still many choices that I never made that I would like to make for my own personal story and enjoyment and of course space snipers no enemy can touch me LOL
awesome!!
great vid
Garrus the bro
I just found this today in my playthrough. First time I've ever seen it...
"Remind me never to play poker with you..." said everyone in my family, ever
"You got more than you gave."
"And I wanted WHAT I GOT!"
'Remind me not to play poker with you'
I laughed to hard and it wasn't that funny XD
Then again.. Garrus is one of the best. Liara is first best. (In my opinion.)
+79walkermason
IMO, Tali was best. She was so plucky and determined... and able to melt your brain with her omnitool. Wrex was just fucking awesome and hilarious. Garrus was just as fucking awesome, bro-for-life material there.
Liara always gave me a really offputting vibe. Like she was a serial killer trying to act normal all the time. Once I got to the third game and she was the Shadow Broker, I actually trusted her *more* because she acted like a person I could relate to.
@@Egalitariat-likesecretariat The strange thing is, I could relate to Liara in the first game more so than the sequels because I'm pretty akward irl.
I didn't really realize the reason she became so much harder emotionally in ME2/ME3 is because she felt vulnerable when Shepard died. I mean romance wise it would be obvious she may feel that way, but even if you don't romance her, she is still in a precarious position with the N7 trained solider gone that was protecting her; After all Saren did try to kidnap her to help him with prothean technology, and her mother died in-front of her (or at least for me she did, because of course I took her to Noveria). When I realized that it made me feel even more for her, and she's still my bae 💙.
I recently found out that if you do the "Leviathan" dlc before Tuchanka, assuming you have both Wrex and Eve alive, then if you sabotage the cure, Wrex isn't going to attack Sherpard on the Citadel, probably because the Leviathans indoctrinate the Krogan in order to keep them in line.
I know this is immoral and unethical but I'm tempted to do it in order to get the support of both fleets (I haven't made up my mind yet), which might be necessary if I want to unlock all endings besides "Control", since I kept the Collector base back in "Mass Effect 2". And before you say anything about dooming the Krogans, Mordin isn't stupid, he would have stored the data he used to make the cure somewhere as a backup plan. So while the Krogans might be kept from the cure now, in the future, after the war, it can be replicated and spread in an alternative way. I know this is risky, because the deaths they'll suffer could keep them from reaching that age due to insufficient population, but that's exactly why Okeer created Grunt, so that his existance could influence the Krogans to carry the Genophage but ignore it, which means, maybe their deaths wouldn't so many, should they be truly strong. And if that fails, well, there's always the option of dissection in order to know how he was made and clone him so that the race has a chance at survival until a new cure can be created.
I think it's a bug because the Leviathans kinda passive aggressively say that they will not fight but will just aggressively defend themselves, since if they would actually with good intentions they would deal serious blow to the reapers, evidenced by how they disabled an entire sovereign class reaper and took control of it's husks.
Garrus has your back. No matter what you do.
love garrus's attitude, shit's hitting the fan and he's all 'well that happened, what's next?'
I never got this dialogue. Nice!
I can’t even think of another game that has this many branching storylines. Ending aside, the different dialogues you get based on choices really makes you feel part of the story, even if there was only one ending.
Shepard: *commits genocide*
Garrus: wow I really shouldn’t play poker with you
To be fair with Eve dead and Wreave in control, would you really cure the genophage knowing his intentions afterwards?
Master Xehanort I don’t know anything about wreave or even how to have eve die. It’s actually never happened in my game.
@@kilroy6429 long story short, Wreave unlike his brood brother Wrex who is more for unifying the Krogan for better future but Wreave is a warmonger through and through. Eve could potentially stop him if she's alive but with her dead there's nothing stopping him.
Kilroy 137 Eve dies if you have destroyed Maelon research in ME 2.
0:06 So Garrus was not talking about his rectum after all.
the scale of me3 is unmatched. Having to make these kinds of judgement calls were brutal.
I was so surprised when I realized that Mordin didn’t have to die if u wanna go full renegade. I was more than glad.
It's annoying that killing Wrex in ME1 will get you more war assets if you play your cards like that. I like Wrex a lot, but in the long run I need more fleets to retake Earth.
I like to think this scene brightened Garrus's day, if only a little. Not only does he find out that the salarians are helping on top of the krogan, but he doesn't have to worry about a 2nd coming of the krogan rebellions after the reapers and that one of his friends is alive
"Remind me never to play poker with you."
-Ash if you Charm Jeong: First time?
I could never convince Mordin, he either dies saving the Krogan or he dies with a bullet to the back. Let me guess, Mordin still doesn't show at the party
Joe Nesvick To keep Mordin alive, you need to kill Wrex on Virmire, destroy Malon's data and sabotage the cure
And yeah, he will not be on party
This perfectly shows why ME3 is sooooo much better than andromeda
I was gonna say your Shep is Dr Brynn Cole
Garrus took it better than I thought he would.
His people had a massive war with the Krogan and it cost millions of lives... the genophage was the only solution they could come up with without decimating both races and multiple worlds. He figured it was for the best in the long run given Wreav was in charge.
I think the best definition of Garrus is Chaotic Neutral.
He's neutral good. Doesn't like the law getting in his way, but doesn't want pure chaos. Generally is trying to do the right thing and is usually succsessful.
I absolutely adore and love Wrex but if you ever want to experience this, it's better to do it this way then with his citadel appearance
Garrus is real with you no mater what
haha, most satisfying moment in the game
The building was collapsing. The only way he could be sure that it would even have anything remotely higher than a 0% chance of working is if he broke the fourth wall and was just following a script. How can anyone logically look at a building blowing up and falling down and say "Yep, it's power and all internal structure is totally holding." you can't.
garrus's last line was funny 😄
If Wrex didn't survive Virmire and Bakara died on Tuchanka, Mordin absolutely needed to survive. Not just to help with the Crucible, but to eventually cure the Genophage on his terms rather than Wreav's.
Mordin himself said that there was no time to dispense the cure with the war going on so the shroud was truly the only viable option with the constraints imposed upon them during the war
Yeah, if Wrex is dead and it's Wreave? Definitely go this route.
*Renegade for Life*
-in a video game of course
Beastwolf1 Renegade options can be fun but some of them are so god damn evil lol.
there is no way he wont find out lol the dead kids will give it away.
The cure was imperfect, didn't work. Back to the drawing board, try again if we live through this. Sorry.
Wolfenstein
Not much, I was really hoping the Citadel mission could've been opened before Tuchanka. =/
You get some audio datapad from him. It's him singing and giving you an update on where he's been hiding all this time. It's funny if you want to look it up but the party scene sucks without him. Hell I'd love to at least see Padok Wiks there. =[
If Wreav: betray the Krogan. If Wrex: Screw the Dalatraas, damn the torpedoes and save our battle brother Wrex!!
Played through the trilogy again. Can't bring myself to let wrex die, despite that it would give me max assets. I can't do it...
What will happened on Citadel DLC if Mordin was alive?
I always save Wrex and the council in ME1. That way when I cure the Genophage and save the Salarian Councilor, I get the best of both worlds. Krogans cured, Salarians in debt to me. Everyone is happy.
Wait. How did you save the counsilor?
@@Firan25 It requires either Captain Kirrahe or Thane to be alive, I think. When Cerberus attacks the Citadel they intervene. Saving the councilor.
@@Chirpysemperboy I keep trying to get Kirrahe from ME1 saved but I think he died due to me being out of time to deal with the turrets and or alarms which is very difficult.
Garrus the best ryt hand man to sheperd but his way more loose and under the radar as if he wasnt suppose to be in this sequel
One of my best buds put the trilogy down for good when he got garrus killed in ME2. Cant say i blame him.
How did he manage that? Did he not do garrus loyalty mission?
@@BananabroJr put him on tube duty. The one that tali or legion should do
@@421less1 the fool!
You made a MISTAKE!!!
Wreav always trick
Wrex always help,
There must be a way for the Krogans and Salarians to work together...
There is, just gotta keep Wrex and Eve alive and cure the genophage - at least, that's the place to start.
@@priamneville5899 but doesn't that kill mordin as well?
@@Firan25 Yes, but he is nearing the end of his life and dies a hero... seems a fitting end to him.
@@Firan25 It does - but that's the price for peace. Besides, he goes out undoing his worst mistake, fulfilling his life's work, and atoning for his crimes. I loved Mordin, and honestly? This is the best end for him, and the galaxy.
True red would have figured it out,
In Mass Effect 4!
Mordin will probably cure the Krogans!🤔
LOL. Remind me never to play poker with you.
In all my play throughs I think, this is the one I’ll save Mordin but I can never kill Wrex in ME 1.
Mordin was the only one killed in mass effect 2 in my playtrough :(
Then you either failed to do his loyalty mission, you failed to fully do all the upgrades (not sure which affect Mordin), or you assigned him to a task he was not suited to during the suicide mission.
As long as you do all the loyalty missions, do all the upgrades, and assign people intelligently during the actual mission, no one will die.
This kept happening to me with him being loyal and all he would just be the only one dead when you leave every one else to fight the human reaper. Best way to keep him alive is to send him back with the rest of the crew or just dr chawkwas
Mordin is the first to die out of the people defending the door whilst you fight the boss if they don't have enough combined strength. Basically it's best to leave at least two out of Garrus, Grunt and Zaeed there (i.e. don't have more than one of them in your party) to make sure nobody dies holding the door. It's annoying because it can happen even if you did everything right with the loyalty missions, upgrades and assignments during the mission etc, but it's easily preventable.
@@jones81381 YO THIS ADVICE IS BADASS. PRESS ANY KEY TO BEGIN. SHOPKEEPERS SOMETIMES SELL USEFUL ITEMS AND UPGRADES. SAVE YOUR GAME OFTEN.
Ahhh, ok, so that's why it went to shit when Wrex was alive. So this devious move would have worked if Wrex died. I understand now :P
I like Wrex and Eve, but I like Mordin more. I hate that you couldn't use basic logic to persuade them into finding another way to get the cure. Wreave would've been unreasonable but if Wrex can be talked down from attacking you for the genophage cure in ME1 he should've been more than willing to listen to "the shroud tower is collapsing and nonfunctional, we have to find another way to disperse the cure."
I never didn't cure the genophage it was just too terrible of a thing to do for me even when Wrex is not in charge lol
Same here, though I do it more out of what I would do if I had the choice and my own morals...that and I think it's worth giving the Krogan a chance, even if they are run by Wrex or Wreav with Eve. Hell, I think I'd do the same thing even if I did a Renegade run through
Same here.
The way i figure it out, worse come to worst, the Crucible would not work and thus we'll all face eventual extinction. Evil or not, (cured) Krogans are blessed with 1000 year old life-spans, and insane birth rate. Even if we're going to lose, the Krogans is our best chance to extend the war as long as possible.
Great, because of that, with Wreav there will be another war. Either the Krogan enslave the rest of the galaxy or they are wiped out anyway.
@@juanlaise1059 Unless I take control of the Reapers and put any Krogan rebellion down or merge organic and synthetic life.
@@GUMMRUCHK
The merging won't affect the Krogan's mentality.
You are right about control though .
The Reapers will own the Krogan 10 out of 10.
So Wrex or Mordin? We can't have both? Who comes and saves you in the Citadel dlc though later? Grunt?
I think it's James, but I'm not sure.
James. It's not nearly as cool.
Why does he say "Wrex may have figured it out"? In this universe, Wrex is just a bounty hunter who got killed by Shep or Ash years ago.
Birger Halvorsen I think garrus spends a little time with him before that happens
@@Samagachi And he was a rare Krogan Biotic and far more clever and nuanced than other Krogan, even in the short time you know him in ME1
Wrex is more than a rabid dog, he has sense enough to keep his cards close to his vest and wouldn't trust any outcome unless he knew it was going to pay off in his favor, and when dealing with racist Salarians it's always best to have an insurance policy in case a certain someone tries to play both sides
Wrex if alive will attempt to kill Shep after the mission in Tunchanka which will result in the death of Wrex in ME3. Killing him in ME1 seems to be the right options in many people's eyes...
Can we just get our Mass Effect remaster already?
Boneheads business practices from EA aside, it would be a good business move just so long as they don't rush it that is
Soon
It’s really not that of a thing to do if Wreav is the leader and you don’t straight up murder Mordan. But if you sabotage the cure with Wrex as the leader you’re doing an evil play through.
LEARN FROM THIS MASS EFFECT ANDROMEDA
how
That's a hot looking Shepard. Face code???
Sorry I already uninstalled the game. So don't have it.
Did you also delete the save files?
No. I don't think so.
If that character was imported from ME1/ME2, then disregard the rest of this. If not, check My Documents/BioWare/Mass Effect 3 and find the folder that corresponds to the name of that character. Use Gibbed's ME3 Save Editor and you can locate the face code.
Thanks. It's either 863.JBG.K2L.28S.GEW.1G7.2WB.22W.W23.W28.111.161 or 131.W89.G1E.727.FFF.16I.FLC.146.A71.9G3.6FB.161 or 2214BHHH9K8GKGW15T61P1E7CC61B52C5266. I had multiple female characters, now I can't remember which one is her. Sorry!
mordin die as a hero
Is this only happens when Garrus is romanced?Or can male shepard do this dialogue too?
I wonder what his dialogue was if you shot Mordin, and Wrex was still alive...
i dont think you can unlock that dialogue until later on after wrex jumps you on the citadel
@@idote8243 Technically speaking you have to kill Wrex in ME1 to get more dialogue with Mordin in ME3.
Wrex does find out and it's ugly.
"A few years ago, I would've said you paid too much." What does Garrus mean?
He mean it was justified now that they are fighting the reapers. That it probably wouldn't have being, under any other circumstanses
I don't understand. How does sabotaging the cure help against the Reaper invasion?
Gets both krogan and salarian support, if the cure was completed the salarians would not join you.
I get it. But my question is, why does he say about sabotaging the cure: "A few years ago, I would've said you paid too much." ?
I was just answering you question about how it helped against the reapers, not sure what Garrus meant with "A few years ago, I would've said you paid too much." Probaly something like dick move but necessary dick move.
Wait, is it possible to keep Mordin alive?
Yeah, it is a renegade path, and there is a lot of things you have to do beforehand, but its possible.
@@Rodshark75 well you can convince mordin with a paragon speech check so it’s not all renegade
I would have killed Shepard for that basically killing Wrex and his species also would have killed Garrus for even agreeing it was ok
EJ Aunu Sometimes you have to do terrible things so other can live.
derp
Where is shephard? all i see is some brunette and whos this reid hes talking about?
+Sid Walker You do know you can play as both male and female and you can change their appearance?
I guess :) I don't even remember writing this comment :P
Finally, a Shepard that isnt walking around in that shitty leather jacket.
mass effect had so much build up so much character development and they threw it all away with a bullshit generic ending 😢
Yeah, they should have had an option in like ME2, where you can choose which fleet does which job and how badly the casualties are for it or not if you choose well.
Turians or Quarians protecting the Catalyst
Turians or Quarians or Geth engaging the enemy fleet to break through to the citadel.
Krogan or Geth on ground support
etc.
And show a massive battle that actually matters and if your fleet strength is high enough, you can defeat the Reapers without even using star kid and the catalyst, you just win by uniting the galaxy and working together.
Why are Bioware's characters ALWAYS so dead looking in their appearences !?. Look at most other games released around the same time, during cutscenes, their characters looks more alive then any of Bioware has ever done.
Compare Horizon Zero Dawn with Faildromeda... for example. One is a fantastic game while the other is a piece of rushed junk.
Andromeda is a great game, despite some weaknesses.
love garrus but i hate the voice :(
I think there's a problem with your ears.
I STILL LOVE GARRUS I SAY
fuck you
we're gonna have to agree to disagree, i love him as much as his voice.
You're insane. Garrus' voice is incredible. Why don't you like it? I do not understand at all...
BreadCrumbs
the actor voice is boring at least to me