The wheel spins no matter what we do. In good times, it's a reminder of mortality. In bad times, it's hope. And what the Wheel of Fortune represents ultimately boils down to individual circumstance. Pretty solid summation of existence, a little overemphasis on existential choice, but still pretty solid.
Wow, I love you CZcams, and you anonymous uploader. I haven't seen this movie for years, and I just randomly remember this scene. And I search. And here it is.
It hasn't happened yet, but I just watched 24 Hour Party People for the first time today, and this scene is going to make me read Boethius's "Consolation of Philosophy" in the very near future. I like how Coogan/Wilson responds with "I know...I know" as if he's confused but completely understands, which I guess is the point of the quote in the first place.
Tony agrees with the philosophy as that is what he is currently dealing with that night. The rise and fall of Ian Curtis and Tony's marriage. Yet Tony doesn't know of the larger rise ahead and the large fall after that. The street philosopher plagiarizes Boethius. Later Tony steals from them when saying the exact same thing on "Wheel Of Fortune" at the rise before the fall. He also does come up with his own bastardized version of the centrifuge that keeps spinning everything faster and faster until everything flies everywhere.
One anonymous sent me this when I posted a thread once. I was not feeling great. This stuck with me for a year now and when everything is bad I just repeat it like a mantra and just think of it. Gave me hope
Almost another year. I changed country, and it paid off. Better work, better life, in better physical condition and surrounded by better people. If all was taken away it was for me to have a new start. There's always something waiting for those who do not give up and keep on trying. Now it's a matter of following the path and putting in the required work.
This struck me as the beautiful tragedy of England; they have people sleeping on the street who talk like philosophers. In America we have inarticulate people living in mansions.
Still, there's truth in this quote isn't there? The best and worst of times are constantly moving and changing, perhaps the character is what someone like Boethius would've said had he been a homeless man living in Britain, maybe.
Hmm, sorry to tell you folks, but I've been through two different translations of the consolation of philosophy and this section isn't in either. Tony Wilson seems a bit of a con artist and he's done it again :) Boethius mentions a wheel going around and refers to it as a 'wheel of fortune' which is why Tony Wilson mentions it when hosting the eponymous TV show. The real reference is to his TV career it seems and the quote was embellished, well actually just totally made up for the film!
He says that he is Boethius and what he's famous for. Not everything he says in life is a quote from 'the consolation of philosophy', am sure Enid Blyton spoke to some people in life without using the dialogue of the famous five. I know you were only trying to be clever... but still, trying to be clever is no excuse for ignorance!
This philosophical gem keeps me going through the dark times.
You and I both, brother... haha, and I have a masters degree in philosophy.
@@JamesPawson me three. this scene has always stayed with me. it also a curse though, the constant passing away. it's just how it is.
Me four. Whenever dullness and misery pay me a visit, Mr B rings in my ears. It will pass.
I know...i know
In the end, the spare change Tony left this fellow was more than he had in the bank.
i often remind myself of this scene and boethius's wheel ,gets me through stuff
I like to imagine the great philosophers had Manc accents. It really adds to their work when you read it.
May Have Paraphrased This At A Party When I Was Half Cut
1789 or 1776
so did i. totally botched it!
it’s so short scene but It’s so impressive... I love things like that. So cool.
I live by this. And it sounds so much more compelling in a mancunian accent.
The wheel spins no matter what we do. In good times, it's a reminder of mortality. In bad times, it's hope. And what the Wheel of Fortune represents ultimately boils down to individual circumstance. Pretty solid summation of existence, a little overemphasis on existential choice, but still pretty solid.
Two great legends of Manchester
The tide will always turn at its lowest ebb. Never despair because fear passes and tomorrow is another day
I am liking the shit out of this clip.
This hit home.
Best video on CZcams
Wow, the Doctor had it hard after the Time War.
24 Hour Party People is my favourite film and Christopher Eccleston is MY Doctor.
So this clip is, as the youngsters say, an epic win....
he was the first doctor in the reboots. just before David Tennant.
@@SimonB198207 And now Tennant is back for the role... with RTD
Wow, I love you CZcams, and you anonymous uploader. I haven't seen this movie for years, and I just randomly remember this scene. And I search. And here it is.
that bum seemed more content than the one with money
well at least we know what was The Doctor doing aftert the events of the Time war....
It hasn't happened yet, but I just watched 24 Hour Party People for the first time today, and this scene is going to make me read Boethius's "Consolation of Philosophy" in the very near future. I like how Coogan/Wilson responds with "I know...I know" as if he's confused but completely understands, which I guess is the point of the quote in the first place.
Tony agrees with the philosophy as that is what he is currently dealing with that night. The rise and fall of Ian Curtis and Tony's marriage. Yet Tony doesn't know of the larger rise ahead and the large fall after that.
The street philosopher plagiarizes Boethius. Later Tony steals from them when saying the exact same thing on "Wheel Of Fortune" at the rise before the fall. He also does come up with his own bastardized version of the centrifuge that keeps spinning everything faster and faster until everything flies everywhere.
Have you read it yet?
Well I definitely know what to say if ever I cross paths with chris
Absolutely fantastic
One anonymous sent me this when I posted a thread once. I was not feeling great. This stuck with me for a year now and when everything is bad I just repeat it like a mantra and just think of it. Gave me hope
Last comment was a year ago. Mutability is our tragedy but also our hope. I mutated for the better. The horizon seems brighter.
It's been another year, Mr. Chaos. Here's hoping your wheel has been spending more time in the good times than the bad.
Almost another year. I changed country, and it paid off. Better work, better life, in better physical condition and surrounded by better people. If all was taken away it was for me to have a new start.
There's always something waiting for those who do not give up and keep on trying. Now it's a matter of following the path and putting in the required work.
Nothing lasts
I know
That’s the dude who played the 9th doctor💀
I walk through there every day I will think of this in the future
one of my fav films, very good movie
Oh Hai, Christopher Eccleston.
The street bum was Christopher Eccleston, the first Doctor Who of the modern series.
Mancs have the best record collections ....Tony Wilson...
I think about this scene a lot lately.
I'm thinking about it a lot lately.
This struck me as the beautiful tragedy of England; they have people sleeping on the street who talk like philosophers. In America we have inarticulate people living in mansions.
The good old days when you could get a cuppa for 20p
good movie
Still, there's truth in this quote isn't there? The best and worst of times are constantly moving and changing, perhaps the character is what someone like Boethius would've said had he been a homeless man living in Britain, maybe.
I was about to upload this scene and found this video. Thanks mate, beat me to it :)
It needs to be online. Thank you for ensuring it is.
So TRUE
@AppropriationIsMe CZcams, an invention of the Gods. 24 Hour Party People, a great movie. The natural successor to Trainspotting and very underrated.
Need to find this guy to give him 20 pence
'I know' x
...unless boethiusnd below can tell me where it came from? did you read it anywhere?
Thanks uhhhhh Dr who lol
Film & a half
Do you think that reply makes at all?
Hello!
@lovkraft Inconstancy, not inconsistency. Nicely done, apart from that tiny error.
He says "Inconstancy", its just our accent
Is this street outside where the Warehouse Project is now?
no
I think it's under Piccadilly station on Fairfield st... near Star and Garter pub
Hmm, sorry to tell you folks, but I've been through two different translations of the consolation of philosophy and this section isn't in either. Tony Wilson seems a bit of a con artist and he's done it again :) Boethius mentions a wheel going around and refers to it as a 'wheel of fortune' which is why Tony Wilson mentions it when hosting the eponymous TV show. The real reference is to his TV career it seems and the quote was embellished, well actually just totally made up for the film!
To be fair he doesn't say that he is quoting from the CoP, but that he is the author. The actual belief he states could be from another work.
Tony Wilson also said never let the truth get in the way of a good story... Meta...
He says that he is Boethius and what he's famous for. Not everything he says in life is a quote from 'the consolation of philosophy', am sure Enid Blyton spoke to some people in life without using the dialogue of the famous five. I know you were only trying to be clever... but still, trying to be clever is no excuse for ignorance!
Tony Wilson said mancs had the best record collection....true ...but i say ...manc is the fab accent for philosophy... baby 😎