Wacom Cintiq 22 Review (2019)
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The new Wacom Cintiq 22 is Wacom's latest budget friendly inexpensive pen display. It bring the power of the Pro pen 2 with all 8192 levels of pressure sensitivity at half the cost of the Cintiq Pro 24 and it comes with its own stand.
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Why they didn't make it 2k resolution is beyond me. I just want a big screen with matching resolution that won't make me go broke.
there is a hope: www.yiynova.com/En/proddetails.php?proid=44&clsid=1&fid=1
Well yeah, but good things cost a little bit, you know? You can go for Huion, Xp-pen etc. if you want, but I don't know how reliable they are since they didn't have time to prove that their products last.
@@dragos6625 I actually emailed xp-pen and they said their display tables last 2 to 3 years
2K is 2048 × 1080 pixels (according to wikipedia), and that's not a common screen resolution afaik. 1920x1080 is the common standard and that is almost the same as 2k. Maybe you meant 4k or UHD?
@@wonderboy75 2K is 2560 x 1440, not 2048 x 1080. It is a significant jump in pixel density.
Lack of lamination compared to the cheaper huion is a big miss imo
Yeah, that was my biggest disappointment to.
Brad Colbow ...”too”... just saying.
How much difference on the parallax between Cintiq 22 and cheaper but laminated display of alternative brand?
@@casekocsk I'm wondering about this too. if it's 3mm, I think I can take it since parallax can be useful at times.
@@GnaReffotsirk useful? For what? Isn't it better to have no parallax at all?
If only it was 1440p, then it would have been absolutely awesome.
it's not that big of a difference , it's like 60 fps or 75 fps there is a difference but not that much
@@danielrko9895 trust me, the resolution here matters more here than 15 frames over the golden 60 line. The pixels are too noticeable when you already have other drawing tablets, like ipad pro or normal monitors which exceed the old norm of 1080p. And here, when drawing, you notice these pixels and color defusing too easily. It's first beyond 4k that would be hard to notice, but here, it sadly still is very easy to notice.
Also I already got the 16" one, it's noticeable there. A bigger screen at same resolution, would only make it worse.
This would have been perfect place for Wacom to make a new 1440p standard monitor, at a super good pricing. But more so to usher in a new standard in screen resolution.
I'm mostly simply disappointed, because this just means that they want to keep their overpriced premium ground, as long they can, before alternatives breach their sacred ground.
@@zycane i find it a bit blurry is easier to draw on for my case, unless u do detailed art like fucking detailed ones.
For anyone who is interested in purchasing this tablet, here is my opinion.. I honestly think the tablets fantastic! I've just purchased it, and I absolutely love it so far. No issues, I've yet to find anything lacking about it. I honestly don't understand the salt in the comment section. My guess is people are looking for reasons to feel better for not being able to afford it? The screen feels great, its even scratch resistant. Pen pressure is fantastic, and my brush quality has been so much better. I'm extremely happy with this tablet, it was definitely worth the price to me.
How does it compare to the ipad pro? I love drawing on the ipad pro, find it really accurate, (was in a shop one day and spent a while drawing on wacoms and the surface pros, but found they didn’t compare to the accuracy of the Apple Pencil 🙂🙂🙂🙂)
what should i buy an wacom 22 or the wacom 24 pro
@@bezoro-personal I tried upgrading from my Cintiq 16 to a Kamvas 22 plus 4 TIMES (I returned each one and tried my luck getting another one until I gave up), and every one of their screens had yellow stains, yellow banding or color imbalances IN DIFFERENT PLACES ON THE SCREEN, and also the pen, while an upgrade from before thanks to the longer nibs, performed differently ON EACH DIFFERENT TABLET, the pressure curve was inconsistent between them, while on paper Huion offers a LOT more compared to Wacom, the actual performance of the tablets leaves a lot to be desired, their quality control needs a MAJOR overhaul if they want to compete with Wacom, and that's not saying that Wacom doesn't have their problems but at least the FIRST Cintiq 16 I ordered worked and it's still kicking for almost 2 years so far, I will probably upgrade to a Cintiq 22 eventually because I'm hopeful it will perform at least consistently okay, I know for a fact that Huion also sends their best unkts to reviewerd, while actual costumes are down to their luck to whether or not they get a working unit.
guys if you wanna get into digital art, please get an intuos first (not the pro). theyre under $100 and even cheaper on ebay (got a medium for $40) so if you discover youre not into digital art you wont feel bad for spending $100's on a screen tablet. if youre into digital art after a couple months get a cintiq 16, its perfectly big enough and people WAY over exaggerate the lack of lamination.
Brad something tells me that you really love that pen.
I'm just impressed that this model includes a stand!
Can I tell you that I watch your reviews because I love your artwork. I have no money to even consider half of what you review. Your illustrations are just so fun an awesome.
Same. Broke gang unite!
This product and its pricing would have made a perfect sense 5 years ago, back when we didn't have Huion or XP-Pen
I just ordered one of these today since I've been producing work on a 12WX for the past 10 years! I'm both nervous and excited to compare my fossil to a newer display.
Hi @ShaydayJay I also planning to upgrade from my old 12WX, so it would be a great help if you can share a bit about how is the experience using this new 22 inch Cintiq? Thanks in advance.
@@erwinargh Hands down best purchase I've made in a long time and made me realize how I've been working on actual garbage. My work productivity had increased, eye strain has lessened and it's wayyyy more comfortable to draw on. I 10/10 suggest upgrading.
The lack of laminate screen is a big let down. Taking away the 4k is reasonable.
i had the same thought.
Yeah but most of Cintiq Pros has dead pixels. Check amazon reviews. I prefer non laminated screen rather than a screen with quality issues.
@@ayset.w.2671 wow, thats good to know, imagine saving tons of cash and get dead pixel screens.
Personally, I think it should’ve started at $800 or $850 since the Cintiq 16 is $650
10000 % agree. It's a good offer, but it'd have been the market winner, if so.
Cintiq pro 13 is cheaper here than cintiq 16 ( non pro)
i agree¨
I'm quite happy that Wacom decide to release a "budget" Cintiq still, which speaks volumes on how well competitors like Huion and XP-PEN are doing that kind of "pressured" Wacom enough to release this. While the prices still can't be as low as Huion's new Kamvas 22 with laminated screen, I guess that's good news for people who rather stick with a Wacom, hahah.
Still think the Cintiq 16 is a more "beginner friendly" option imo, I wish Wacom would've release a non-Pro Cintiq 13 to update their oldest "lowest budget" Cintiq instead. Or they could've do a 2K screen to compensate this non-laminated screen nor have advantage over other competitors on that price :/
I just purchased the Cintiq16, and I love it. It may not have all the bells and whistles of a regular, pro Cintiq, but it's all I need to tremendously improve my workflow. Couldn't be happier, and very much worth the investment.
Also, they do have a budget Cintiq 13 inch. Its called the Wacom One, and I've heard a lot of great things about it. Its the perfect entry level display, and for a great price!
That colour gamut is criminal for something so expensive
Excellent review, Brad. This seems like a solid product for design students and the educational market. I wonder if the iPad Pro had some influence in Wacom going for the sub-$1000 price point.
Market saturation most likely. 15 years ago I knew no one who had another 21UX, because they were 10,000 dollars. These days they're a lot more common, I have an all in one for working while on holidays, one of these 22in and a brand new as a backup, everything is installed and ready to be used in case the other two fail mid-job. Personally I found ipad pro to be terrible so I don't think it did anything to influence Wacom's price point.
To all the people complaining about 1080p or wide color range... see enough calibration tests...Check serious reviews (often not in youtube. By labs, etc). BTW, not saying Brad ain't serious ! :D The Cintiq screen comes already with enough calibration for a lot of people, but once (hardware calibrated by you) calibrated, beats any of the competitors. Meaning, the next thing over it is of the likes of a pro Eizo. And some of the more promoted alternatives don't get even close to a "sane" calibration point (I mean, color calibration, not pen and tablet calibration). And this is absolutely crucial for any type of work, not only for print (tho in stuff to be printed is plainly essential).
I DO prefer a lower res screen which is accurate, than 4k with colors off. And if you have not calibrated both screens, you wont know, you _can't_ know. "It looks good" is not the point. Most users think their mainstream screen colors "look good" (often as they're too "vivid" by over saturation, or warming up the gamma, or the like. Vendors pretty know this well. But those screens are far from accurate). I've done for years graphic works on 1080p. And of very high level.
Thanks for your review! I'm buying this tomorrow (the Pro 24 is way beyond my budget, and even the 22 is stretching it) and your video really helped me to get a clear idea.
How is it? Any update
@@catcute1094 It's really good. The adjustable stand is a big help, and the glass itself is great to work on (maybe a bit too smooth, but you can overlook that point). The only downside is that there's no button on it, and the ExpressKey remote has to be bought separately.
It’s a great tablet and they finally included a stand but people will probably still be intimidated because of the price point and the non laminated screen- xp-pen or huion at this point would be something to compare that can be better honestly. Apple is somebody they still need to keep their toes on because iPads at cheaper price options already kills their market.
But also every one that does 3d modeling needs a display. A iPad can't do 3d modeling
@@lydiagrace1133 not only modeling, many other stuff also... You can't really run any pro 3D software, you can't do more advanced multitasking, you can't have many screens, you can't render, you can't repair/change broken hardware easily and it is quite easy to destroy an iPad, you can't play PC games on it, etc.
@@lydiagrace1133 actually a lot of 3d modelers use and prefer a stylus + monitor setup.
@@anab0lic yes I agree my point was that the iPad doesn't allow for 3D software
Hm. I think $1,200 is a little much. That's $550 dollars more than the 16inch version($470 if you include the 16inch's stand). I'm not sure what you're gaining for that extra price. If you really can't afford the better pro versions why get this over a 16inch , a Alternative product, wacom refurbished, or buying second hand? This isn't a good value product. Definitely not for a hobby artist or a up and coming artist. It's more of a replacement for the 22hd price point. Since most people would probably buy a Pro model if they could afford it anyway. So they're probably selling less new 22hd's now.
I'd have LOVED a 800 or 820 $ price.
@@3polygons $820 would have been Really fair. especially since wacom charges $60 tax on everything.
Understand things from Wacoms' POV. They're not offering something because you're complaining. They're plugging a hole in their inventory exacerbated by Huion and others. Of course if they could get past the business minded mentality which sinks businesses, they would simply offer a 2K version of this for the same price and win... forever. There are several different ways to do a thing, but it's difficult to change a strategy which has been working for so long. Offering a 2K version of this at this price would simply eliminate all of the competition, and only Wacom could actually afford to do it, and so for me this signifies the end of Wacom's dominance, because they're now offering the exact same product as their competitors for exorbitant prices. It's a terrible shame, as for me Wacom is one of the only companies in the world which offered a value for money product, and that was the case for the longest time. Their high end offerings actually have justified pricing. They just do not have a mid to low end product with decent screen real estate for a reasonable price. All they had to do was offer a 2K screen with the specs of their 22 HD (2019) and it would have all been over. Instead they're basically using a generic monitor which is probably exactly the same used in Huion and other 22hd products. That is a bad move.
@@screenname1 Yeah, I can't understand what they're thinking because it doesn't make any sense on a logical stand point. It's like wacom doesn't understand their customer base. There's lower income artist, and higher income artist. They'll be able to pay for a cintiq pro out right, or they wont . So who is this product for? it's offering nothing that justifies that price. It's a product with out a customer base. I think a 2K version would justify that price, but again if you can afford $ 1200 why not just buy a pro version for a little more with bonded glass? If you can't afford it, but want a wacom quality pen why not buy the 16inch? Does this exist just to get people to buy more 16inchs? No lol. It just doesn't make any sense. I think they should've made it HD but with bonded glass. No hotkeys, no remote, no other bells and whistles but that. That would make a better middle ground.
@@HissatsuNeko The pricing makes more sense to some than others. I want color accuracy with reliable workflow. I get that more with the Cintiq 22, according to reviews. I can give up a wider color range, and the 1440p (of the Huion 22 2019) if I get a better situation in those mentioned things. Other people will only see the specs on the paper. (which, anyway, mean nothing until tested. Just see how 25ms means blurry text scrolling in some screens, and just fine experience in others. Or how after calibration, the super important value of contrast ratio, on paper 1000:1, can end up in 500:1 after calibration, while stay in 1000:1 in devices with Wacom's quality.
...and i am here, still rocking the wacom cintiq 13hd :D
It's a really good device. ;)
yep, me too, still rockin with it, seems like it will be the last cintiq product I'll ever used, if I want to upgrade later, wacom product definitely will not on my list based on their price point and what they offer, so glad there re chinese companies to beat the hell out of their originally monopoly market, and good job for apple tablet to beat their stupidly expensive mobile studio line
7:35 ATTENTION - As far as I know, you should NOT use FELT nibs on the Cintiq16/22 screens. I found this information in a product comparison table and also the wacom support confirmed my questions about it. The felt material can damage/scratch the surface. It is only advised to use felt nibs on the PRO models!
#wacom #cintiq #nibs #felt
That is odd. It comes with a felt tip nib in the pen holder and I have been using felt tip nibs since I purchased the Cintiq 16 in January. No scratches yet.
@@lindafus9251 Yep, I have my doubts too. The support answered, it has something to do with the felt material and structure, which seem to scratch the special screen coating more easily. Probably the regular nib is harder/smoother and glides over the rough screen texture. Strange, but might make sense. Even stranger that they seem to include a felt tip nib. Maybe you can reach out to their support and get a second answer and opinion. I am really curious. Thanks in advance!
Support said Felt Nibs were OK to use but the FAQ on their website states that they should not be used on the Cintiq 16 or 22 as they may cause scratches to the glass. Just search NIBS in the FAQ you will see a posting for both 16 and 22.
@@lindafus9251 I reached out to the wacom support a 2nd time, and again... they do not recommend FELT nibs on the CINTIQ 16 22 models. Only use it on PRO only.
My question: 1. Wacom Cintiq 16 does not have a protective coating and, as the reviews show, it is possible to scratch the work surface with a pen. Is there a protective glass for this model and where can I buy it? - The support team answered me: Wacom 16 does not imply the use of protective coatings. We recommend the use of felt tips. 2. Is it possible over time to replace the top layer on which they draw, how and how much it costs? - The support team answered me: In our service center, such a service is not provided - it is possible to replace the display module in the European service center.
For the price it is approximately (logistics - € 170, module - € 600).
This doesn't make sense, if you're willing to spend 1200$ for a 1080p tablet, I'd either buy the Wacom Cintiq 16 and save 600$ or save up and buy a Cintiq Pro
Agree 1,000%! I will pass on this for sure!! It feels like a quick money grab for Wacom. Go Pro or go home!
1440p would be good, or even 4k non laminated without touch. 4K 24" IPS monitor from Dell costs around 400 euro, with a great IPS panel. So i bet wacom have taken water over their head.
@@koifishflavor Agree...but the resolution, the express keys and the laminated screen are big deals.
@@freffo3407 Those are valid points for sure.
But look at it this way.... Wacom doesn't want it (the entry level line) to be even remotely close to their pro line because in the end they would rather let the customer drop $1200 (for an interim solution) and then a year or so later drop another $4K for the Pro line because they will surely want to step up in the feature set. They get well over $5K from you as opposed to $4K. Multiply that out over several thousands of customers and wow...nice profit.
@@ToddDolce That is what companies want in the end of they day, and i understand it. It's bussiness. The whole pro-line to me sounds ridicilous for the price too. No VESA mounting holes, the stands costs around 500 euro, no rotation on them like the old ones. You are bound to their own VESA bracket that you buy seperatly, and to be on the safe side you would probably consider their overpriced VESA arm. A good stand included in the package is a no-brainer for me, or atleast some mounitng hole options included in the price. Sitting or standing with a monitor with a tilt of 15 degrees will kill your neck in a month if you work 8 hours a day.
This one feels like you're paying mostly for the brand than what you actually get for your money. You're better off with recent Cintiq 16 and it costs much less than this wherein its only advantage is a bigger screen. Trust me, if you're just a hobby artist, a 15 or 16 inch screen is quite big enough already.
This is such a shame. My initial 'wow' when I started watching this video immediately devolved to "aww..." the moment each detail about it is being laid out.
I don't care for 2k really. And the size matters for me. I use software with lots of menus and sliders and stuff.
For sketching, yeah a 16 might be enough.
But then again, back in our day, a 20 inch wacom display is much desired, those had even lower resolution.
Honestly when compared in terms of prices, even the old Huion/XP-PEN 22-inch with rechargeable pen are better for that resolution/screen, at least you know what you're compensating for if it's below 900$.
In the other side, if you aren't a hobbyist, but an old, hairy grunt (it works so even if u ain't hairy) orc, u'll prefer quite a lot having the real state of 22 (or even bigger). Simply, after my 10 - 12 hours of many days (with a minimum of 8) the tension over neck and back is WAY less on a large (22 is not really large, btw) pen-display than on a 16. I've professionally worked on a small Cintiq, I do know what am talking about. Also, for gesture. You get it easier to draw from the shoulder, so. Even if from the wrist/elbow. Easier on the eyes after many hours (even after some minutes). You would end up preferring 22 over 16 yes or yes. If you do not plan to evolve ever from hobbyists, then yeah, I'd agree. But you evolve if u put time into it, so...
i disagree on either cintiq 16 and the cintiq 22, its just better to get the cintiq 13hd or 22hd.
@@abdulmalik2388 But you can't buy HD versions directly from Wacom anymore, right ? I mean, only some vendors in Amazon, or used ones... I'm not sure if I'd do that. Maybe if I am very sure that a tablet has not had very heavy use. Or is from a close friend.
Things that artist needs to know if they live on a dry area, will this cintiq heat up? Probably no. I had a cintiq 22hd (old one) and man i didnt knew if i was drawing or baking cakes, that thing heated up a lot. Same goes for cintiq 16 pro, that line of tablets the touch creates a lot of heat, your hand will be sweating while using this and your eyes will dry a bit, not as much as old cintiq 22hd.
Now i use a cintiq 16(cheaper version) that i love, it doesnt heats up, hand is always cold, so you wont heard annoying fan at the back like the pro ones. If cintiq 22hd 2019 has same screen as cintiq 16 it will be working on a cold screen with no noise at all.
That is a big plus for me. Yeah it has less contrast on screen because of the protective film, colors might look a bit muddy, but its perfect for me.
PLUS: some softwares like Corel painter are still not that good in 4k, working in 4k demands more processing power to the computer, i work faster in hd tablets that i had with my pro version. So dont get discouraged if it doesnt has 4k built in it.
This is the selling point for me. Of all the tablets I've tried the cintiq 22 was by far the coolest. At first I was set on buying the pro line but nope. It gave off too much heat. Sure, the cintiq doesn't have fancy specs like laminated screen and high resolution but I'd take a cool display any time of the week. It's little things like that reviewers sadly don't mention.
Could work as a heater in winter uh
Lol "drawing or baking cakes." I just purchased a Cintiq16, and I love it so much. Its the perfect midrange screen display, that has helped speed up my workflow tremendously. Great investment!
Brad -I don't know about YOU but I NEED that Shark Catapult while eating cereal from my automatic cereal dispenser... yo!
i just buy the kamvas pro 22 2019, and man, that tablet is insane, reduced parallax with laminated screen, 120% rgb the color is awesome, 900 bucks for top end huion display, absolutely go huion
i ordered mine a few days ago but unfortunately it will arrive on late august. i was deciding between cintiq pro 16 (only for the touch) or kamvas pro 22 2019 but i felt that if i bought the cintiq, i will regret it. for now i will keep using my intuos pro.
@@VinarcoKie why will it took time to arrive? is it because of your address?
@@genkins23 might be. Though i ordered it from a retailer, seller told me it's a preorder and will arrive late august.
No much choice. I live in indonesia and i heard the import system changed recently. From what i've heard, it's a pain to import stuff with hundreds of dollars value, the tax etc etc.
Instead of taking the risk, i ordered it from a retailer for a little more than $1000.
Don't worry too much about that if you want to order it, should be a problem in here only. Maybe try checking it yourself on huion's site.
@@VinarcoKie i'm planning on buying the kamvas 20 (2019 version) from huion site itself hopefully will arrive sooner.
@@genkins23 ah that's nice to hear. I found this btw
www.huiontablet.com/shipping/
hope it helps
Easily, one of your best reviews, Brad. They just keep getting better.
@Wacom, give us 1440p on that 21.5" screen already
I just got an xp pen 22 pro with 16 hot keys and two pens for 330 new. I sprung for a 4 year warranty for $50. I think I made a fine choice.
Thought so too, then wrnt back to wacom and ipad and noticed how still mediocre other brands are, sadly
@@Solaxe This is not my first non wacom and I have had Wacom before. For the XPpen the screen is not the best color wise but functionality wise it is still comfortably ahead of Wacom displays that I have used that were only a few years older tech. Also I have an ipad with apple pencil and while I know that Brad has a different opinion on this but I don't think that it is as good as the xppen. In fact I would say it is not high tier in any area other than ease of use with the software. For Ipad the pencil experience is honestly terrible for smooth lines without a matte screen protector, Battery life and charging are weaknesses of the pencil. Ergonomics are really bad. Build quality is just not there for the pencil. Pressure curve could be better and it fish hooks for some line types. But even with that stuff said I draw a ton on it. Imo displays now a days are really great and more accessible.
Do a Wacom 22 vs Huion Pro 22 side by side comparison.
i honestly want a 22 vs 22hd review.
I find wacom to be much more reliable which is why I changed back to wacom after owning a huion (22" model). I had issues with the hard and software, they ended up telling me i have to send it back to get that fixed, and guess what, eventhough I had warranty, I would've needed to pay the shipping, which mind you, is about the same price as the device itself was. Wacom doesn't do that, plus their hardware, just as their software, is much more stable and very reliable. In short; Wacom if you want longevity and good warranty support. I also experienced the colors of the wacom to be nice, nicer than the dull colors on the huion. The parallax on the wacom is barely noticeable too. On the huion, I also had ghosting issues, when I moved my canvas around, the black lines kind of left a shadow/cast. the 1080p display isnt as bad as everyone says it is. You get that too with a Huion, so it really doesnt matter arguing about. Would prefer this over all the recent huion devices for sure (other than their just today released 24" display of course).
how about you at least say please next time
The most important thing about wacom products that not many actually talk is the pen offset calibration, this may not be laminated but i can assure you the pen cursor is dead spot on the tip of the pen, while on the Xp pen artist 15.6 pro which i also purchase 3 months ago is fully laminated but the pen cursor is offset buy 2 to 3mm, does the laminated display help in the offset issue absolutely not, this was i found out after i bought the XP pen thinking that the cursor will always be on the tip of the pen but it wasn't and i learned the hard way. The gap of the glass and the display is minimal on the Cintiq 22, theres no offset calibration issues with wacom devices but the chinese alternatives have struggled with it for years. Parallax is just the screen gap and is not something you should worry about but calibration offset is a line art artist worst nightmare.
The biggest con for this new model would be its limited resolution. I currently have the 16 inch one and I can tell for damned sure that 1080p looks fine, but a display tablet of this size simply needs a level of clarity that suits its surface area.
In short, this is a redux of the old 24HD and 22HD models. Although a great product in itself (and that smexy new form factor), I found it to be underwhelming because I was expecting the next Wacom product to be more like a *Cintiq 20 PRO* that can fill the gap between 16 and 24 inch. The pricing is kinda inconsistent too. It should be more like $900 OR keep that same price but make it QHD instead (1440p) and bundle it with an extra Pro Pen Slim.
For now, I'll stick with my Cintiq 16. Wacom is definitely taking strides to re-establish itself in the mid-range and even to the low-end tiers. They're not quite there yet, but at least they're trying.
P.S: I've had interest in Huion and 3rd-party tablets for the longest time, and I've used Huion display tabs extensively, thanks to a bunch of artist friends. Their new models are great, having all the latest tech that even Wacom doesn't have, but unless they get rid of that horrid spongy pen feel and insanely thick pen nibs (yo even my Sharpie markers have thinner nibs), I won't switch over to them yet. A lot of people seem to like the retraction of their pen tips, but not for me (maybe this is only me but if you feel the same way, feel free to comment!).
So far, only Wacom tablets, iPad Pro Apple Pencil and Samsung pen tablets have the best pen tip feel. If not the best, then in my case, the most tolerable.
why everyone thinks that if you get something more expensive, that makes you better professional, all the studios (and the biggest ones) in the last ten years use the cintiq 22hd like spa studio, fortiche, pixar etc.
and the discussion around 4k and hd resolution is complete nonsense. First of all, all professionals and studios use two monitors (to see their work) and secondly, no one works at full scale, so I don't understand why HD resolution is such a big problem if you have the ability to zoom in
Huion kamvas pro 22 vs cintiq 22 which is better ? Especially comes to the parallax
huion driver not good. build quality poor. wacom not laminated.
I think I rather buy the pro despite the much higher cost because of the etched glass and 4k
Where I live the new Cintiq 22 is priced around the same as the old 22HD which makes me wonder - which one of them do you think is better?
You see, when the 22HD released (I think in 2012?) wacom didn't actually have a "pro" line, so it technically was the previous generation of the current "Cintiq pro" - and therefore it comes with a few features and extras that are not included with the new value tablets. For example, the 22HD has an entirely different stand which allows rotation and it comes with built-in express keys which saves up the need to buy the additional wacom's remote.
The screens' resolutions are the same, so as I see it, the only downside of going with the 22HD over the new Cintiq 22 is the pen, which has "only" 2048 pressure levels. My current tablet (intuos 4) also has the same 2048 levels and it served me well over the years, so I don't really know how important is that number and how much I'm actually missing by not upgrading to a new one.
As of today I can't really afford neither of them, but just to fill up my curiosity - putting aside the alternatives from Huion and such, what do you think are the downsides of going with the old 22HD over the new 22? (and vice versa).
And on the same topic, just my suggestion, but maybe it could be a nice idea for a video - to check up older tablets and see how they hold up today, when they can be found for much cheaper prices than the ones they had on the initial release, and make an actual attractive alternative to the new "cheap" ones.
That's a GREAT question. I haven't looked at all the specs like screen color and everything. But the 2 big differences are that the pen on this new one is better, more pressure. But I don't think that's as big a feature as some folks to. And also the shortcut keys. If I was choosing between the 2 I might go with the older because for me the shortcuts are more important than the better pen. But which is better for you is really up to what you need in something like this.
for those considering a chinese brand because it's cheaper. they're great until they stop working, good luck getting any customer service or warranty repairs. my experience with huion has been TERRIBLE, will not buy another chinese tablet
my xp pen served me well with no issues what so ever
@@tormenmashi_ awesome, my $700 purchase lasted me 8 months. Despite my "one year warranty". But admittedly, worked great until then.
@@vheypreexa yikes that sucks
I have the gaomon pd1560 which also uses huion drivers and it stopped working after 2 years. It started to have dead pixels in the middle of the screen. Meanwhile, my wacom intuos 3 still works and it's over 10 years old. Wacom may be expensive, but you definitely get what you pay for and it's actually cheaper in the long run because they last for decades. Unlike the Chinese knock off, you're going to keep buying them every 2 - 3 years and it will add up more than the wacom you deemed expensive.
This is the exact same reason why I didn't get another brand. Just got a cintiq 24pro, expensive, but happy with it. Wanted to get the 22pro but didn't like the fact that was for entry levels..
Honestly, this looks like a solid display for me to start with considering my budget. I'm not making BIG bucks at my job, but it's good enough that I can save up for a $1200 tablet within a reasonable time. I'm not doing any professional work at the moment, and I don't plan on solely doing freelance work in the future. Since I'm doing mostly hobby-work right now, the Cintiq 22 to draw on PLUS a separate, high-quality 31inch+ monitor for gaming, video editing, color-checking, etc sounds like an ideal combo for me personally. Plus, I also collect retro video games, so I don't want to be saving huge chunks of my money for like 5-6 months to get one of the Pro models, or marginalize smaller amounts of money so I can afford collectibles, but then have to wait for like 2 years before finally getting a Pro display.
I've been using the small, $100 Wacom Bamboo Fun tablet since like 2011. I think it's safe to say that I'm more than ready to invest in anything that's not the tiny Bamboo Fun and is a screen that I can draw directly on lol. In terms of Paralax, yeah it's kind of a bummer that the Cintiq 22 has it, but it seems like it's minor enough that I can get used to it. Plus, I have a mid-2012 Macbook Pro that's not retina, and I'm not planning on upgrading to a 4K PC for quite a while. So, the 1080p screen won't really be a big deal for me (I'm used to 1080p screens, anyway).
So did you get the cintiq 22? :D Is it worth it?
@@vlad_IT_87 I actually wound up deciding on the Huion Kamvas Pro 24! It just seemed like the best balance of everything I wanted out of a drawing display at my budget! A bonded 24" 2K display with a great pen for only $900 seemed like the best choice for me. Before that, though, I actually got a Kamvas 13 both to hold me over for the release of the 24" and to have a more portable display. I honestly think that's one of the best displays to get if you're just getting started in digital art as long as a 13" screen is just fine for you!
@@lubby9438 On nice! Did you experience any hardware or software problems?
@@vlad_IT_87 So I haven't bought the 24" yet, but with the Kamvas 13" I only experienced a few repeating software issues. When I'm working in Photoshop, the cursor will sometimes get stuck on the move tool when I'm trying to use something else like the brush tool. I have to move my mouse every time this happens to fix that issue. Also, when I turn on the Kamvas after having it unplugged for travel or whatever, the display won't work properly on the first startup. So I usually have to turn the Kamvas off and on either once or twice. These two issues don't ruin the experience for me, though, it still feels smooth and responsive to draw on and honestly, despite the glitches, I can still recommend it if you don't mind getting used to them.
@@lubby9438 Oh I don't mind those issues at all, I have an old genius tablet so xD Thank you for the answer, I appreciate it! It helps me out a lot!
Nice review Brad! Wish the laminated screen was there. -John
Man the laminated screen is one of Wacom's best features of the tablet and this kinda bummed me out. The pen is as amazing as always. I miss shortcut buttons though. Have an amazing day Brad colbow.
Gonna wait for Mac OS Catalina + Ipad Pro, already have both, just need the update :/
First 15 seconds u had me in stiches. SUPERB delivery of content creation I must say .....now I shall watch the rest...Shhh :D
hmmm, I may wait till they update the cintiq 16 and get one
Thank you, this was the most insightful review of this I have found so far!
I am a professional video game studio artist and I highly recommend the cintiq 22. I use it for both 2d work and 3d work at work all of our cintiqs are outdated. There is no studio out there that is buying the latest cintiqs all the time. We use the cintiq 21ux at work. fortiche studio who made the arcane use the cintiq 22hd
I still use a Cintiq 21UX at home. I forked out quite a bit of money for that back in the day, so this would actually be a nice upgrade for me and for less money than the previous model. 1920x1080 is not bad, the 21UX is 1600x1200. I would probably need to add a wacom remote though since this one doesn't have any built-in configurable buttons.
Pfff that 1080p in a 22" and not laminated display is a drawback, I prefer to get a 15" instead, I don't know why is taking so long to get at least 1440p on the cheap tablets.
And no, there is any problem due to hardware, there are tons of 15.6" 4K displays with a fair price that would only increase $50 for manufacturing over the 1080p screen, say a $100-150 increase due to development and marketing costs. If you're willing to go DIY you could buy one yourself and replace the existing panel of your huion with some 3d pritned adapters, is doable, so I don't understand why there is not one yet.
CADesigner agree
I don't know the technicals of how graphics tablets work but keep in mind the tablet has to align your pen to those pixels so having more pixels might also mean you need higher quality components for all the pen related stuff.
I'll stick with my iPad. Wacom is just not worth it. Not when other cheap brands are getting really good. Nonetheless thank you for the review Brad, always nice to see them just be informed.
Wacom owes you some money. I bought one today after watching your review. :)
If only the cintiq 16 would use individual cables instead the rare 3-in-1 cable, that'd be perfect. Wacom, work on it!
Thanks for the review. I purchased the 32” Cintiq Touch (DTH3220) in March 2019. I previously owned the 24” and loved using it for the ten years I had it. Tragically after six months with the new 32” Cintiq, I started to see what looked like pixelation or fixed pattern noise that covered about 1/3 of the screen. I sent the display to Wacom and pleaded with them to replace it. Instead I was told they would repair it with a “refurbished display”. Needless to say I was not impressed with my brand new display getting a used part. Fast forward to April 2021 and I have again sent my display back to Wacom for the exact same issue! Anyway I hope you don’t have any issues, but I’d be curious to know if you do.
In 2022 I might actually be able to afford this now. Just several years too late.
Imo keypads like the Razer Orbweaver or Logitech G13 are almost a necessity if you work with large tablets a lot. Much superior to tablet buttons or trying to reach for a keyboard.
Yeah, that's probably the way to go.
Look super nice but that price is insane.
Got the Huion 20, send it right back, AWFULLLLL ghosting effects, especially on dark surfaces (wich are a lot (Zbrush, Toshop, blender, maya, etc..)).
Was checking for the Cintiq 22 but the non-laminate is a big letdown.
I won't lie, I can't draw on anything except the iPad Pro now. It's just too good... I've had a few Wacoms over the years, including a Cintiq, and sold 'em. I still have a small Wacom Intuos Pro for touching up photos on the PC but I never draw on it. The fact that this thing doesn't have a laminated screen is an instant pass for me.
i have a ugee2150 but i'm yearning for an ipad pro.
@@cybertroy2 Don't ignore the Samsung Notebook Pro15. It has a MUCH bigger screen than the iPad and the SPen is INCREDIBLE! (It's basically a Wacom Pen) Unless you are just stuck in the iPad mode, you may want to look twice. Plus the Samsung is easily upgradeable. Just a thought. I hear the Apple Pencil is quite nice but again,....when I compared both, it was a no brainer.
I think it needs t come down in price some more to really compete with some of the 3rd party options. There are a lot of people that see this as more of a hobby or something that they enjoy. Can't write off the cost like a professional would. For us is where is the most bang for the money since it's not something we will be using all day every day.
Wacom's store doesn't list the stand as being included.
Awesome video my friend! Just found your channel, it's great!
Watching in 2024. I think this one hasn't aged too well, with options like the Huion Kamvas Pro 19 and others, with better colors, better screens and fixed pen wobble. Wacom needs to update their entry-level Cintiqs, like, now.
Guess there is a blessing in disguise for me buying 13" tablet too fast instead of buying Artisul D16 or Cintiq 16... NOW I HAVE A REASON TO UPGRADE TO CINTIQ 22! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!
Brad, can you do a video on how to color calibrate monitors/ match color between multiple screens video?
It'd be awesome if you could. Thanks for the videos!! :3
But do the lamination do a lot on the Huion? I got my self a Huion 16 kamvas pro with lamination, but there is still a gap. You who actually have these devices, is the gap noticeable smaller?
In my experience with the XP Pen Artist 15.6 Pro, parallax seemed to be the same on the Cintiq despite the laminated and bonded screen.
If it's one thing that keeps me using Wacom. Is the pen, especially the Pro Pen 2. As much defects I had the past 10 months, Nothing has matched it unfortunately. The Apple pencil was ok, but don't like drawing on a gloss screen. Surface pro pen was meh, and also gloss screen.
I feel the same. I have XP-Pen and Huion tablets and others but not one of the 3rd party tablet pens touches the quality and feel of the Wacom Pen when drawing. I just won't buy anything else. After spending so much money on the 3rd party tablets I always go back to Wacom because of the pen. The screen specs on the new 3rd party devices are impressive the pens are not. I parted with my XP-Pen 22e and ordered the Wacom Cintiq 22 - Thanks Brad for the excellent review!
Hotkeys tip. With my Wacom XL (surely bigger than this cintiq) I have the keyboard on a side, and made my brain get used to access it in a diagonal disposition of the keyboard (my arm is not really forced). After a pair of weeks (many years ago) it became natural (of course, I relocate some inches the tablet when I need to type, to see it in front of me. But I have a large desktop, even another table forming an L with my table, over which part of the keyboard rests while drawing. And that other table is a trad. animation table, with the transparent glass, able to be tilted, etc. Currently is space for my books, ref material, book of CMYK samples, eventually for the calibrator, the cam, external HDs, sketches, keys, tea cup...hehehe. Not that I'm setting there a table just to be able to use the keyboard so.
For me touch input is almost as important as pen input. Until Wacom can figure that out I’m sticking with the iPad Pro. Right now there are no options for a lager display than 12.9 with good pen and touch and that is a shame.
Travis Caldwell Yes, this what I’m taking about. As a portable device the iPad is amazing, but for a more ergonomic desktop drawing experience a larger display with Apple Pencil and touch support Apple could make a device that is what the Surface Studio should have been. This would not be a large iPad but a Apple touch display. If they could combine this with a powerful Mac mini that runs IPad OS and take advantage of the new side car feature we would have something truly great.
I think Apple want to solve touch on a big display first and just adding mouse support is not it. I have been using it with iPad OS on a larger display for a few weeks and it does work ok, but not great. A touchpad that highlights areas of the interface similar, but more precise, than on Apple TV could be one way. This could take advantage of other Apple products and turn your iPad, phone or remote into a trackpad. Expanding gestures on iPad OS could be another. With a large display I don’t want to reach up to have to touch anything on the upper part of the display, but the lower would be fine.
Hi Brad !.. Very good review, as always !.. 👍 💖 🕊 ... Thank you and congratulations for your drawings, I like them all !.. 😉
just sold my 16inch couple of days ago couldn't stand the screen thou it was great to draw on but the dullness and the parallex stop it being a affordable tool thats comfortable to view while it actually feels like drawing on paper. I would love to use screen tablet to do my work but until I have the cash I will stick with a non screen tablet and a better monitor. also i really appreciate the portability of the mid size drawing tablet you just plug it in and you are good to go.
They missed the chance to price it at $900. It would change A LOT. Huion would be very uncomfortable with a competitor like this, but meh, Wacom don't want to be affordable.
Meh, I'm glad Wacom is doing this cause they've priced themselves pretty much out of everyone's reach but pros, but I'm not seeing a stand and a 22" screen being worth nearly 2x the cost of the 16. If this would've been $800-$1000 (even without a stand), I'd think it'd be a home run.
@Jessi - Kiji Art Right, I meant that the inclusion of a stand and a 22" screen is not enough to jump the price to 2x of the 16.
@@kalvineldridge Have you drawn or painted on a 22" pen-display before ?
@@3polygons Yeah.
Oh come on, i couldnt even keep a straight face when you mentioned the water proof pogo stick
Ok tested it next to all of Wacom Cintiq offerings. I actually liked this 22" form factor best, unfortunately the resolution is too low! 2560 x 1600 would have been ideal for this size. Saw 32" 4k too! wow! It is too big, I could never use it lol It was like watchign TV next to your face.
why everyone thinks that if you get something more expensive, that makes you better professional, all the studios (and the biggest ones) in the last ten years use the cintiq 22hd like spa studio, fortiche, pixar etc.
and the discussion around 4k and hd resolution is complete nonsense. First of all, all professionals and studios use two monitors (to see their work) and secondly, no one works at full scale, so I don't understand why HD resolution is such a big problem if you have the ability to zoom in
Just bought mine. It's so light compared to other Cintiqs! The resolution is plenty sharp for its size. Color and brightness is on par with my Samsung 27" 3K monitor. The surface has some "tooth" to it, so I don't need to order felt nibs anymore! :D
For that price I'll take the iPad pro all day any day. Also, do you mind drawing, showing and telling us the experience of drawing in the new Samsung Tab A 10.1 2019?
Every animation studio should buy this tablet with the express key remote because it is a 22 inch Wacom tablet and it lasts longer than the old 22HD from 2012 The old 22 HD is now 10 years old as of 2022
Hope they make a !HD version soon. Also get the Tabmate, best drawing experience gadget, than Wacom's keypad thing. Although only works in Clip Studio Paint programs.
Big screen, no shortcuts, no lamination, not HD, gon look pixelated.
1.200? Huhhhh.
Well, it is full HD. What i wanted to see on a device this size is as you say a laminated screen, express remote included with magnets on the tablet. 1440p or maybe even 4K. Good thing you get a stand included in the price, but still 1200 as you say...
@@freffo3407 I mean, you can get all that in the 24 Pro. Obviously, it will cost you, but if it's that important to you, then you'd be prepared to shell out for one.
If you go the cheaper route, you simply can't expect the product to be as good.
@@tams805 Still too expensive with the accessories and options around it yes. What i mean with my comment is that there is for example 24" 4K IPS display from Dell for around 400 euro with VESA mounting holes, a stand is included too! Adding pen support for a non laminated monitor with that high res(also more colours ofcourse) will not be that hard to make. And the cost for it would be around 1200 euro in total in my eyes. There is The Wacom lineup is ridiclious, both in price and the absent of built in touch functions. But i guess i will wait until Wacom actually get that they have screwed up with their design on the Cintiq Pro models in some aspects. Same goes with their "budget" products from Cintiq series.
To be honest, on Wacom 22 parallax looks the same as Huion in this video. I know cintiq doesnt have laminated screen, but when I compared the recorded video, it looks more or less the same. What you think?
Honestly waiting on XP-Pen to release a new 22E but w/ a laminated display and better color accuracy. I've wanted the 22E for awhile but with their recent releases having laminated displays I can't help but feel like waiting it out. Hell probably by the time it does come out I should have enough money to buy it.
The color calibration tests I saw with that xp-pen were a bit too much of a problem. And sadly, the tests I have seen with the Huion and some others throw a similar situation. That and non tested durability (and several cases of broken tablet in months, which I have been made aware of) are my main concerns with something not-Wacom.
@Aarav Kumar Well... Later than that comment, I went ahead and bought a Huion Kamvas 22. So a display tablet. Turns out I won't get to check if the pen/drivers keep working fine in 1 year, as I realized my old and trusty Wacom XL from 2009 (never more produced) still rocks, - I had to replace the pen (80 euros, Amazon) only months ago..but I still have almost all the nibs from the first- and gives me a ton more control over pressure, accuracy, and better latency, by very far, than this kamvas 22. Which is wild considering the XL is a non display tablet (gotta say, tho, I trained hard the eye-hand-screen coordination). Still... I didn't ask for a refund, as is not that it was "broken", and realized this after one month passed, didn't feel right to send it back, and also, it is actually a decent monitor (only slightly better than sRGB), as an extra monitor. I have been defending the alternatives for years. And I hope they continue, so that there's no monopoly. And for a student/hobbyist, those are fine. But for professionals...not that convinced. I went ahead and bought a replacement in case my XL breaks (it was the last one built with the cable ATTACHED, so... it breaks and it's game over) , and guess what, it's been another Wacom Intuos pro, the L (Large) one. Gonna stick with Wacom for a very long time, I think.
That said, I know a bunch (other pros) working with XPs and Huions, so, dunno. I KNOW I can paint with the Huion; I spent weeks in deep testing. Just why would I, when I work more accurate with the Wacom. Results would be equally good, but I'd need a lot more time of painting over, line work and etc. It is OK-ish, but it's not for me. About durability, been many months, and I've been using this Kamvas 22 as a screen for references, browsing and moving extra UI panels there to have more canvas space. So far it's doing nice. I even calibrate it with my colorimeter (i1-Display Pro) and is kind of fine, yet lower color accuracy than my NEC or, of course, the Eizo, it's not possible to bring it to a point as well balanced as the NEC and Eizo. But I got it instead of a newer Kamvas Plus back in the day which had a much better screen (QLED I think), as this one costed me only 400, fine for a 22 inches. One could argue that this kamvas is currently pretty old, but heck! What about my Wacom XL from 2009? And still gives better pen control (crucial for line work and also advanced painting). Go guess.
if wacom had put a QHD screen on this thing i would buy it in a heartbeat. it would have immediately justified the high price tag, even (imo) without the laminated screen. as it is, i'm really torn between this, and the competition from huion and xp pen.
Thanks for the review Brad! Can you tell if there is fan noise?
Oh, I ment to mention that. Nope, no fan noise in this one.,
Buyer beware there is a cintiq 22HD that is £1549.99. It is the old wacom pen and only 2048 pressure levels. Just appeared on the uk site is the cintiq 22 which is £869.99 For a while i thought wacom were "pulling an apple" charging the same as the U.S despite the exchange rate i.e. same number in pounds and dollars.
i just wish there was smaller bezels on all drawing tablets
I love your art style
Thanks!
After watching this. I think I will go with cintiq 16 + that fancy keypad
I just need a better explanation of what the difference is between a laminated and non laminated screen are. I'm a noob
There's an air gap between the glass and the actual screen on a non laminated display, makes it less accurate to draw.
I just ordered one. I couldn't deal with small tablets. Velcro will keep the remote in place.
sweeeet review...wondering if you could get a couple of strong magnets and attach them to the pen loop to use that for the express key?
Great reviwes, thank you. Still I can't decide whether I should buy Wacom cintiq 22 or Huion kamvas 22 plus or XP pen 16tp. I have watched a lot of videos but some comments make me worry. Where I live they are too expensive for instance If I want to buy (considering a teacher's wage), I need to sacrifice my whole three months wage. So I need to make the right decision. I would really appreciate any opinions about which one is better.
How would you feel about a screen tablet that's:
- independent (minus power/charging cable)
- no pc or mac operating system, instead having having a custom system built and optimized for the art software
- houses 1 art program, something on the level of Adobe Fresco
- comes with a remote that has a canvas rotating wheel, mover and zoomer, and an undo button
I'm not a tech person, but I feel that if they only simplified things, there might be less technical issues like latency, and a more easy-to-use fun product could expand the market on these
Again, in a nutshell: works independently, is NOT like a pc such as Wacom's mobile studio, but simply a digital art unit with optimized hardware and software for a program like Adobe Fresco, that is ofcourse modified with this new platform in mind
I don't see it as professionals will need either Mac or Windows. Even personally it would be too niche, what if I wanted to use it for photo editing or sculpting. I'd rather have the choice of programs and not be locked in. This might be a good idea for the more portable ones, but not for the big tabletop ones.
I bought Cintiq 13hd years ago with this same price.so stop complaining.if you don't want to buy it just don't buy it.
So I can't take this to the park and draw there? It has to stay hooked up to my laptop all the time?
Hi! A local vendor is offering the old 22hd for the same price as this new cintiq. My top priority is longevity, but accuracy and comfort of use is also very important, needless to say. I don't care about pen (have it in my intous) because I like the old stroke nib which this doesn't support. Given all these things, which would you recommend getting? The old, trusted model or the new cintiq? I'm a bit wary of the new Wacom lines since I got burned badly with my companion 2, RIP. Thanks a lot for the review!
I was set on the pro model from watching and reading all the reviews. However trying it out in a store I realized something quite quickly. The screen gets quite uncomfortably hot. This cintiq 22 was cool and comfortable. So even with the lack of laminated screen and 4K I'd take this model over the pros.
Your comment that the Apple Pencil “ stands toe to toe” with the Wacom Pro Pen is disputed by Fellow CZcamsr Lawrence Mann. Everybody has a right to his or her opinion, but I was taken aback at his harsh criticism of Apple, as a company and the look and feel of the first generation Apple Pencil and his apparent refusal to just make marks and draw and sketch with the damn thing, given his talent as a digital artist. It was your review, where you drew lines and characters and such, along with Tech Writer Matthew Panzerino’s drawing demo at the Nov. 2015 Apple Event and the latency comparison videos between Wacom’s stuff and the iPad Pro and Apple Pencil on CZcams and actual interest by digital artists, prompted by “word of mouth” that really awakened Wacom to the realization it had actual competition in this market and couldn’t rest on its laurels, which as we see now, was a good thing as Wacom is releasing tablets in a range of sizes and prices
Would love some more info on color accuracy compared to MacBook Pro screen. Great video though!!
Arrghh, now I really want one. A shark catapult that is.
Curious how you feel about this tablet's arm/stand thing vs the options on the pro 24. I think this actually looks better than either the ergo mount or the full arm, but this isn't an option on the Pro 24
I am a professional video game studio artist and I highly recommend the cintiq 22. I use it for both 2d work and 3d work at work all of our cintiqs are outdated. There is no studio out there that is buying the latest cintiqs all the time. We use the cintiq 21ux at work. fortiche studio who made the arcane use the cintiq 22hd
Thanks for a great review Brad. My Cintiq 27QHD has just died after seven years and I am looking to use as many of my existing pens, etc, with a cheaper Wacom. At 15 minutes into the review you use the Express Key Remote. I thought it needed a Wi-Fi receiver dongle? Is there one I can remove from my 27QHD as I thought it was integrated? Hope you see this comment and can help. Best wishes.
That price point is actual insanity compared to Huion and XP-Pen. Huion and XP-Pen's most recent iterations (2018 and 2019) are batteryless pens and the 2019 models (top tier) they're both shippping have laminated screens. This is a huge downer for Wacom, the Wacom 16's entry price is really good just for the driver support and pen tech you're getting, as you head up to the 22's price point people will hopefully do the pro-con assessment and figure it's better to get one of alternative brands.
I have the 2018 Kamvas Pro 22 and it's performed just as good as my old Cintiq Pro 13 and Cintiq 24HD. It reams my Surface Book 2 in pen performance and overall use.
Great review as usual Brad :)
"BOAT NOT DETECTED", I nominate this joke of the year
Wait a sec... the Pro 24 is laminated? I thought it still had an air gap. Mostly because I’ve seen complaints on reddit from people who have found specs of dust or hair underneath their screens. They’re using the Pro 24, so the only way for stuff to get under the glass would be because the screen isn’t bonded.
Care to clarify, Brad?