We're all forgetting my girl Courtney in Survivor China! The charisma in her final tribal performance netted her second place after basically having no idea how to play survivor. Her game was flawed all the way through, and she was never going to beat Todd, but she put on one hell of a show.
Survivor 45 had one of the worst strategic casts ever, up there with Gabon, One World and Borneo. That final five vote is mind-blowing. Somehow, none of the Rebas voted together, and neither did the two Belos.
I hate the whole "after the show aired the jury realized yeah, we messed up" argument some people use. Of course some people's opinion may change after they have months to cool off and see things from an edited tv show perspective that can paint players in a positive light or negative light. The whole point is to convince them to vote for you to win then and there when they are still in the moment and the emotions are still running high
Yeah like doesn’t that take like a good 6 months later until it airs again. Bitter jurors are like the concept of the show, how do you crush your competition in a way that they award you a million dollars
@@XanderMatthews-nv9zf Correct. Bitter jurors have been part of the show since the very first season. Arguably the most famous moment in Survivor history is Sue's "snakes and rats" speech, which was quite bitter.
@@bigbuffguy9589the thing was they weren’t bitter at Aubrey they just thought Michele deserved the win in the moment, they saw her brawn and only later realized Aubrey’s brain
Jake didn't have a good social game, however, he deserves some credit. He was like the only person after merge that tried to get Reba out, while players like Bruce, Emily and Katurah were actively playing against their best interest lol. His tribe self destroyed and turned against each other while Reba played safe for most of the season. I really hope he returns for a Second Chance.
I don't think Emily was actually working against her self interest given how much of a mess Belo was. She just didn't throw a rogue vote when it would have helped protect her from Julie's idol play.
Jake was just a bad player. He failed at multiple points strategically. Not telling Katurah he was going to play the idol on her which is why she backed out and he actually wanted to go after Julie until Katurah convinced him otherwise.
What’s even crazier about Ozzy’s loss is that Adam later admitted the main reason he voted for Yul in the end was because he and Yul made a deal that if Yul kept Adam in the game longer than Penner, Adam would vote for him at FTC. Yul kept his end of the deal, so Adam did too. Adam’s vote ended up being the deciding vote that gave Yul the win over Ozzy. I’m not sure if Adam ever said that he otherwise would’ve voted for Ozzy, but it’s crazy to think that a single mid-merge deal that Ozzy had no control over may have cost him the game. Ozzy and Yul are my top two favorite players of all time and Yul deserved to win, but Ozzy doesn’t get enough credit for his performance in Cook Islands and it hurts that because he lost by one vote to Yul, arguably one of the greatest winners ever, he’s totally overlooked most of the time
Not just Jake but I'd put Austin as an honorable mention, his FTC speech was surprisingly good and he managed to get 3 votes against Dee who we all thought was gonna sweep the jury(or at least another 7-1-0 vote)
I never even realized that Michele was considered such a surprising winner until I started getting into social media. When it first aired me and my mom were not shocked by Michele’s win at all. We actually kind of expected it. Aubry was a great competitor and I understand people expecting her to win, but I also don’t get why it was so baffling to people that Michele won. I don’t even think Michele got a bad edit like people claim. Confessionals checked in on Michele a lot and showed that she had a good understanding of where she was at in the game. It just wasn’t a surprising win to me. Idk maybe it’s just cause they threw in a little too much Aubry content
Not with your life, but one thing that I would like to say is the people who win the team make the biggest moves and Aubrey did just on voting Scot out and I believe she only lost because the jury was better. Again, not to make me feel terrible about your logic
I strongly agree with you, when I watched live Michele seemed to have a high chance of winning to me. I won’t try and act like I had her as my pick from the get go, I actually had Cydney initially but slowly drifted to Michele. Her win didn’t surprise me at all, she’s actually one of my favorite winners and just players in general.
The show edited Aubrey as a winner and edited Michelle as a social person and good at challenges. Wasn't until the end that they actually made it seem like Michelle could win.
@@bdj2896 Dee the best cult leader, she has personality traits akin to Coach. Not taking away her win from her, but she didn’t play or swing the most as an individual in season 45, Jake completely drubs her if the jury actually respected that style of game.
Honorable mention to Hannah Shapiro of MvGX here, for me. She made a lot of good points at FTC about the work she put in to flipping Ken, and her role in getting David voted out. Honestly, it's a good argument, and she puts in a lot of effort to make sure the jury knows it. Unfortunately for her, I think some visible emotional breakdowns coupled with the narrative of "Adam vs. David" already being written in the minds of the jury (thus giving Adam the credit when David was voted off, despite Hannah playing at least as much, if not more of, a part in that) tanked her chances, regardless of her arguments. That and Adam bringing up his mom. Like Jeremy bringing up his child on "Cambodia", it's just hard to compete with that.
I disagree. I thought Hannah's Final Tribal Council was not good, as she kept interrupting Adam and annoying the jury. She also got caught in an inaccuracy when she claimed that she was never on the wrong side of any vote (Michelle quickly pointed out the Michaela vote, which Hannah was on the wrong side of due to Jay blindsiding both). Finally, she tried to take credit for moves that other players like Adam and David were actually responsible for making.
Hannah was good but she went against adam who also gave one of the best ftc performances. And the jury was set on voting for adam anyway even before him talking about his mom. Adam had a strong social game and while hannah lacked a bit there . Honestly not voting out David at 5 was a bad move and she failed to recognize adam's threat level too. Like adam had strong connections with half the jury especially people like jay who would be doing everything for him in Ponderosa and having jay on his side meant he also has millenials votes
If I were ozzy (and I sympathize a lot with him due to many factors other than class solidarity), I’d be talking about how he’s going against lawyers who will be well off regardless. When Jonathan brought up arrogance, I would talk about how I never was good at something, and wasn’t expected to. How I finally found something that I was objectively better at, and how I understood I wasn't worthless. That being said, i think Ozzy winning South Pacific would be much more satisfying for me than Cook Islands.
I'd actually add Russell Hantz to this list from Samoa. I was surprised to see he actually had a good performance. He laid out his case for being the mastermind. He paid compliments to Galu. He was more humble than I remembered in FTC. Unfortunately, the cast had their minds made up about him. He was an aggressive player and came across as cocky. I think them knowing he had money didn't help. Chrissy 100% deserves to be on here. She laid out a great argument and destroyed Ryan when discussing who had the stronger social game. The problem with Parvati's claim she controlled Russell was it was a blatant lie. She couldn't stop him from voting out Danielle or talk him into eliminating Sandra who she identified as the bigger threat.
Why is nobody mentioning Xander?? Plays a fantastic game, and doesn't get a single vote because suddenly Erica exists (after her team hated her and she did nothing for a majority of the game)
Exactly. We were told Erika was a threat but never saw why or why the jury voted for her. I thought she might beat DeShawn/Heather in a final 3 but once Xander won final immunity I thought had it in the bag.
I think Chase should have made the list. He actually had a great Final Tribal Council performance, but it was too little too late. His wishy-washiness throughout the game sunk him against the likable Fabio, even if the final vote was close.
@@OnceUponAnIsland Hmm, I actually think he did the right thing, as Marty was basically asking him to burn another juror's vote. He was better off just putting it back on Marty who was never voting for him anyway. I guess he could have just refused to answer the question altogether, but I don't think that would change anything. Anyway, I'm looking forward to your videos on Nicaragua, as it's a top 15 or so season for me with one of my favorite winners.
@@markjackson6431 So what? They were on the jury same as everyone else. That precedent was set in Palau when Janu quit (with Jeff and production encouraging her to do so to keep Steph around), and they kept her on the jury. Also, it's production's fault that they quit because they gave them no clothing in one of the worst rain seasons ever.
Yul vs Ozzy is one of the all time great final twos (sorry Becky) in history. Each of them played their own game about as well as they possibly could have that season. Such a shame that one of them winning that season forever prevents the other from ever getting that title, as both absolutely belong in the Survivor winner pantheon (the Cook Islands version of them at least)
I fully agree with the cook islands version of both of them being legendary. Ozzy's social play did nothing but go downhill each time he played (though his redemption island run in SoPa is soooo satifying) and yul is boring in WaW
If Paravti two more connections on the jury, she would have won HvV. Had she maintained the working relationship with Amanda, she would have had her vote. Alas, here we are.
Time and time again Amanda has said she didn’t want Parv at the end because she would win again. Colby, Rupert, and JT were stupid to vote for Sandra, she literally did nothing
They voted for Sandra because of their hatred for Russel and Poverty’s enabling of him. Their votes said that the game Russ and Parv played shouldn’t be a winning game.
I know Russel burned his shot by effectively scoring a zero in the social game. It drives me crazy the same standard is not applied to Sandra, she deserves a goose egg in the physical game. Parvati played a complete game, a masterful game, where she was targeted day 1. She was robbed by a bitter jury plain and simple. Ozzy has such a strong case too, but unlike Parv, he had an actual real qualified heavyweight finalist to compete for votes with in Yul. Yul had played a masterful game, and his strategic game was weighed more heavilly than Ozzys physical game in the eyes of the jury. It probably helped Yul that he himself was no slouch in challenges.
@@aperson22222Thats fine, doesn't change any of the points I made above. Physical games can be weighted low, as probably was the case for ozzy and contributed to why he lost to yul. Regarding Sandra, yes she gets a zero in the physical game, and frankly she deserves a zero in the strategic column too for her performance on HvV. scoring goose eggs in 2/3 categories is not deserving of a win, imo.
@@belisarius7880You only need to get to the end, and be liked the most out of the remaining players in most cases. Not every aspect is weighed the same. You can be very strategic and be responsible for everyone being on the jury, but that probably won't get you the win.
It's odd people think Aubry had a great 39 day game and are shocked she lost. Her indecision at the Peter boot caused Scot, Julia, and Jason by extension to lose faith with her, the way she burned Debbie cut so deep it'd take a Chris D miracle to fix it, and Michele removing Neal really hurt her already shaky Jury support. I concede I don't know what Cydney's deal was though.
I think an Honor mentioned to say is that after Randy saw the season Gabon he came right back around and said if I could vote again, I would cross off Bob and write down Susie after what the TV show shown him.
Would be interesting to se a little bit of an inverse (if anyone really qualifies) as players who had a lot of win equity going into FTC and just completely tanked their own game when the jury started talking to them. Off the top of my head I can think of a few who probably lost a few votes with their FTC performance, but not enough to lose the game as opposed to turning something like a 6-3 second place finish into a 8-1 vote.
Here's who I would've voted for on each of these seasons Cambodia: Jeremy Worlds Apart: Carolyn Africa: Ethan Koah Rong: Aubrey 45: Jake Ghost Island: Domenick Heroes vs Villains: Russel Cook Islands: Yul
Damn good list!! Though I’m partial to Sandra, Parvati would have been a damn good winnner of that season. I really feel Mama C was the clear victor that season. Kim Slayed final tribal, nice to be reminded of that. I like Michelle, I still see Aubrey is my winner of that season. Love Yul. Love Ozzy.
The only way Jake would have won is if Dee got booted at Final five and he put himself in fire and got out Austin. He got hilariously close because he was 2nd in Final 4 before he broke the challenge so he might have won that, especially in the case when Dee might have been at Pondy. Putting himself in fire against Austin may have given him win equity but also would have proven more difficult than Katurah.
when people talk about how masterfully dee played this season i always find it funny. Had Julie been more brave she wouldve lost her greatest ally, Austin. Had she been unlucky in the last tribal council with Katurah, shes dead.
@@bdj2896lmao nobody's saying Dee isn't a good player, just that she had lots of luck, which is inarguably a factor in every winner's game. She played very well until final 5.
Tbf it's not like Julie not flipping was just a lucky move, Dee knew Julie and worked hard to build huge social bonds with her so that she wouldn't flip.
@@amlive3560I think it’s a mix. Dee is a good player, but she was playing against morons at the same time. Her getting past final 5 was way more than just luck. That was like a miracle for her that Katurah is so dumb
I feel so bad for Jake. So many times his game was blown up because of other people. He pushed and pushed for anything to change. And nothing ever did. Jake might've been a goat. But he was our G.O.A.T
Honestly Jake had the best final tribal performance in the 45 finale. Dee really needed the jury to hype her up to get her going. Austin and Jake sure got some props by the jury, but Emily almost went Erik from Samoa to hype up Dee. It was actually kinda annoying how much they helped her.
Parvati played THE BEST GAME IVE EVER SEEN IN SURVIVOR ON HVH BETTER THEN ALL THE WINNERS IVE EVER SEEN IMO but lost to a bitter jury. If she played on later seasons, she would’ve won with all jury votes. She deserves the win, and is the true queen of survivor 😡
You know, I kind of think Dawn from Caramoan deserves an honorable mention. Unfortunately she had Cochran and her crybabyness to overshadow her good gameplay.
Hey, big fan but I gotta ask. So for Carolyn. I thought she was great & Mike definitely deserved the win but I still wonder if she would’ve won because according to Dan from his Survivor Oz interview. Him & Tyler would’ve voted for Will 😭😭😭 if Mike didn’t do as good of a job as he did with his questions. So with that Will would’ve got 3 votes since Rodney voted for him also. So did Carolyn actually have a shot if Mike wasn’t there? Since 3 people were willing to vote for Will over her anyways? Again good video.
There is a fact that most miss about Survivor and why folks vote as they do at FTC-we only see a fraction of what happens on the island. We see less than 10 hours of the up to 4776-ish hours of the time these folks spend together. We also do not see the conversations had at Ponderosa. Tom Westland said it best when he said, at the reunion of HVV that the person who won that season of Survivor deserved to win that season. Ethan, Tom, JT, Rob, and Ben are the only season winners I wanted to win their seasons. Does that mean everyone else I wanted to win was Boston Robbed?
Thoughts on H v V Season Niru Rupert & Courtney- 💯 Voting Sandra going 2nto FTC. Danielle- 💯 Voting Parvati going 2nto FTC. Coach- Was swayed by Parv’s Opening Speech about Russel being her Dragon Pet. Colby- took the moral high road even after Parv explained her deft Double Idol Play Strategy. Jerri- Parv won her vote. J.T- Sandra swayed his vote…. But years later J.T said to Parv…. Emotions were high. He regrets not respecting Parv’s game more. Candice-Out To Burn Parvati into HELL for being Russel’s “battered wife” in the game…. Candice is voting Sandra 💯 Amanda- throws an easy question to Sandra why should Sandra win over Russel & Parv 😶 Amanda said years later that Parv “might” have called Amanda “a name” during the Season 20 game when merged…. And she also felt betrayed by her….. Parvati said she understood Amanda’s decision but….Amanda looked lame making it lol…. So, there ya have it. Lol Both ladies are good, and Russel played a ruthless game too getting to the end on this all stars season.
Colby voted for Sandra in large part because he realized how hard it is to actually play under the radar. He said as much in an exit interview at the time. He tried to play that way himself, and he discovered that it's actually very hard. Because of that, he had a newfound respect and appreciation for Sandra's game because she's the master of that strategy.
Russell has made it 2 times to the final I think and Russell is the 4th best character 1st-Sandra 2nd-Tony 3rd-Boston Rob 4th-Russell 5th-Parvati Btw these aren’t my favourites but the best 5 survivor players
And Cirie should be the best which never won. She never got taken to the finale, because she would have won. Russel is different, no one will vote for him. But a great strategic player for sure.
She is when I typed who is the best non winner on google it said cirie so she wins in that Is it just me who doesn’t see cirie as a hero I see her as neutral
@@KingConnorDCI think most who have seen her seasons agree she's not a hero. It was probably more along the lines that they wanted her back, but didn't want her on the same starting tribe as Parvati, and between the two of them she's the closer one to the hero side.
i’ve never seen survivor but i’m assuming this was in my recommendations because of my current obsession with Traitors. the most recent final roundtable featured a huge mistake that cost the best faithful player to lose against the best traitor. literally had me screaming at the tv lmao
Its true that Parvati didn’t really connect with the heroes. But people forget that Sandra didn’t really either. She tried to rally them three times to get rid of Russell, but they didn’t listen to her because she only had a personal connection to Rupert, who she was rude to. Its ultimately up to individual votes to determine the winner. Amanda and Candice really only gave Sandra their votes out of spite and pettiness. Amanda flat out said she didn’t want to see Parvati win. She probably held some jealousy and resentment over Micronesia. And she checked out after she was voted out. Candice was also jealous because she tried and failed to go to the end with the villains alliance. If it wasn’t for the pregame crap with all those girls, and if Candice didn’t blame the villains minus Sandra for voting her out, Parvati probably wins the game.
So, if Candace hadn't been resentful about being lied to, screwed, disrespected and double-crossed for no reason then the outcome could have been different? Actually I agree!
@@Machinu5 That Candice’s speech at final tribal about being in a bad relationship, meanwhile she jumped ship to get into an alliance with Russell and got voted out the next day. Lmao what a hypocrite. All the things you pointed out she’s donw to her Heroes alliance wdym 😂😂😂
@chaseyoung2778 Could be, but that's Candice's vote. I'm not saying you need to agree with it or think you'd vote the same way if it were you. I'm just saying blaming the jurors is missing the point of Survivor. Afterall, if only America had a share of the vote Russel would have won too, no? And if Candice and Amanda were totally different people then they would have respected Parvati's game. But they're not and she pissed them off and they voted the way they did for their own reasons whether that makes Parvati sour or not.
But we see Sandra connecting with Candance in that season and we ddon't see Parv throw any type of lifeline after she was attempted betrayed by Amanda. And the camera was usually tailling Russell and Parv so who knows how much more did we miss. Sandra was setting up her victory rather than getting tunnel vision for Day 39.
@@casper_z1259 Yep. Also, Parvati was one of the people who suggested that they split the votes on Rupert and Candice which led to Candice going home instead of either Rupert or Colby. This was an extremely bad move, as Candice was one of the only other people she could beat besides Russell. And then the other one got voted out next when Russell voted out Danielle because he no longer trusted Parvati after she hid her idol from him.
Not you saying JAKE is the 4th best losing finalist, he’s not even the best losing finalist from Season 45! Also not loving the way you’re taking about Katurah, I thought we were done blaming her for Jake’s game. He wasn’t going to win regardless, and the rest of his game was bad because of himself. Katurah would’ve done better in a final 3.
The argument of "He wasn’t going to win regardless, and the rest of his game was bad because of himself." is the premise of this video. No one here was going to win, but they did a great job at final tribal regardless. 00:10
If the point of the video is that the individual faults of each player is why they lost their game, why specifically blame Katurah for somehow screwing up Jake's game? The reason his final 5 move did not work is not because she was somehow too stupid to see the utility of voting out Dee - it was because she point blank could not trust him. If someone in Survivor does not trust you enough because of your past history in the game, it is on YOU to gain that trust back. Saying that Katurah was partially at fault for Jake losing is ridiculous because Jake wasn't socially adept enough to convince her to trust him. This is especially dumb given that he's a 0 vote finalist. Jake was not winning any combination of a final 3 from like the final 6 onwards. @@OnceUponAnIsland
The premise of the video is people who screwed up before reaching final tribal but still did amazing at final tribal given the circumstances 00:10 I know Jake wasn't winning, that's the premise of the video. He screwed up well before the final 5. That move to get out Dee was the last straw.
Aubry was for sure robbed. But Parvati? Not at all.. Sandra played the perfect game under the radar. She had connection with everyone, which saved her the votes and win.
Parvati played a better game imo, since Sandra didn’t do any big plays, shouldn’t have gained any respect from the jury, and was brought to the end because she did nothing all game, however a bitter jury voted for Sandra. She played better ig back then cuz the heroes preferred people who were nicer, but Parvati definitely did better.
@@onepieceontop133 i understand that point of view. But Sandra played it wisley because she knew which attributes they wanna see in a player. So Sandra played exactly like that and Parvati was most of the game just ruthless.
I still don't like Mike or Ben as winners. They earned their wins in the eyes of their juries and that's what counts, but I wouldn't have voted for either of them or their shenanigans. Just can't respect a game where you need immunity ten rounds in a row or you're out.
I'm okay with Mike. Winning virtually all the immunity challenges has always been a viable way to get to the end and possibly win, even if it's very hard. But he pulled it off, so I have no issue with his win whatsoever. Ben is a different story. And not because of the idols, as those are part of the game. But the surprise fire-making challenge robbed Devon of his win. The only other winners that are similarly suspect are Parvati and Yul due to the surprise final 2 and final 3, respectively.
And when you take into account the fact that it should’ve been final two and ozzy would’ve won final immunity and sent yul home but got screwed by final two…
Chrissy or Devon from SV35 should have won HvHvH. Chrissy is the one who reached FTC and beautifully explained how she was a hero, a healer and a hustler.
I feel like out of all the new era players, Katurah may have been the most consistently screwed over by the edit. I don’t even like Katurah all that much but the way they edited her plays her as this shallow women who’s only goal is to knock off Bruce. And of course all her gameplay moves are ridiculed, I mean rightly so, she didn’t play strategically, but still, the show doesn’t even pretend they were good.
I feel like amanda in china was one were she seemed toi lose the game at final tribe. ALSO WTF with the gabbler win, I still dont understand how he won over cass and austin. I almost stopped watching Survivor at that season
Parv was robbed!!! She is the ultimate survivor queen, if the heroes had voted as they should have. Taking all the games the finalist played and seeing who had the best game. But they failed to do so and she was robbed of what was rightfully hers. 😢
People with amazing Final Tribal Councils but lost: Kelly Wigglesworth, Neleh (Marquesas), Sabrina (One World), Jaclyn (San Juan Del Sur), Chrissy (Heroes vs Healers vs Hustlers), Gavin (Edge of Extinction), Natalie and Michelle (Winners at War), Mike (42 - but he got too defensive when called out on his gameplay), Cassidy (43), and Carolyn (44). As for the list, Laurel was not a great Final 3 player on “Ghost Island”. All she did was talk about blindsiding Dom and Wendell, but never did. She became a floater.
Since he wasn't the only person to back-stab, I feel Rob could have won over Amber in All Stars for his strategy alone. Yes he didn't have a good social game that time around, but a couple of the people chastising him for how he played did the same thing LEX. You could say Rob over Amber, you could say Parv over Sandra, I definitely feel Dom should have won over Wendell.
Someone who I think did amazing, and could have won was Charlie Davis in this most recent season. I also fucking loved Charlie, like he was so cute, and is a Swiftie, in which, I also love Taylor Swift.
Kendra’s vote was absolutely NOT up in the air in 45. She knew who she was voting for that whole time. She was always going to vote for Austin, no matter what
Let's be honest. We ALL know exactly why Wendall got that final vote. Dom should have won as Wendall had to win some very specific immunities that season just to save himself while Dom played the better game.
I think Wendall got that vote because Laurel was not a strategic player and she voted for the most charming of the two. Dominic was loud, aggressive, combative and that's why he tied instead of winning outright. That's what you meant about Laurel's vote, right?
@@Machinu5 Wendall played his idol to save her, that says alot in terms of the social aspect of his game. But definitely the best final 2 (excluding Laurel here because she's.....kinda redundant LOL) in this new era of Survivor (S30 onwards)
@@wrongamount All good comments here, but still, If you watch this season over again, Dom dominated the game & Wendall skated on his niceness & immunity wins. He had to play the idol on Lauren just to gain some cred to get to a tie. Just saying Dom should have won, just like a lot of others who lost on this list & many more.
A few comments on Jake’s. We all know for a fact he deserves to win. It’s soo unfair he’s on the Belo tribe which is the most toxic tribe this season and who kinda just let him Charlie Brown his way to the end cuz they couldn’t work together and Dropped dead and Reba plus Emily’s expense. plus Katurah played the worst game and literally has a true reason to go after Dee like Jake was doing. Yet she voted fucking Julie cuz she couldn’t “trust Jake” even tho he tried to save her ass. And if Jake gets Dee out, He wins the Immunity challenge cuz he doesn’t rush, he puts Austin and Julie in fire making, Julie Most likely wins and sits at the end with Jake and Katurah, and Jake wins in a 6-2-0 vote in my opinion
I feel terrible for Jake, but that final tribal was sorely lacking. I think he really had the potential to win 45, but he was playing with a bunch of selfish dummies (looking at you, Katurah).
That argument was settled years ago. The winner deserves to win because the jury says they do. Parvati antagonized and mocked the heroes at every turn, and they didn't respect her attachment to Russell. Rupert shook his said and said "Just terrible." Look at these jury members. Of course they're voting for Sandra.
@@Machinu5 Parvati clearly played a better game. Sandra was just more liked by the jury, so she won. That doesn't mean Sandra deserved to win. The jury failed to reward the best player.
Genuine question, why are there always bible versus at the end of every clip? I didn't expect to get religious messaging on a page dedicated to a show that revolves around lying and manipulating???
Lying and manipulation is optional on Survivor. But I have been putting verses at the end of every video since mid 2021 since I want to do everything for God even if it is just making a video about Survivor or another show.
Imagine being Aubrey and not even knowing you cant even win because pieces of shit Jason and Scot refused to vote for her no matter how good she played. She could have been silent the entire FTC and it wouldnt have mattered. Kinda crazy what sour grapes Cydney and Debbie had too.
@@sashapatsel7170 I don’t think parvati is better then Russel bc she can get jury votes, I think she is better bc I believe she played a better game. We both know Sandra was just a coaster being carried to the end. She would never win in a newer season.
@@onepieceontop133Parv is one of the all time greats but for some ppl it’s a cult of personality. Russel was behind way more strategic decisions than Parv and saved her in the beginning of the game. If you wanna say “well she was better socially” then you have to say the same for Sandra. And it’s a weird definition of coasting to attempt to betray your starting tribe for practically the whole game without getting too much heat on yourself. It’s fine to like Parv best, but she played the third best game that season
She doesn’t fit the point of this video, but Sugar could have easily won over bob if she had tweaked her FTC performance just a bit. Almost seamed like she was intentionally giving bad answers, and turning the jury against her. She played a great game, or at least when it comes to Gabon.
There are winners who have screwed over the jury and still won. Sugar didn’t exactly have strong competition in Susie and Bob, but if she owned up to her game and tried to be apologetic with conviction, she might have had a better chance. Hard to say for sure who she would have won over, but, I think she would have stood a chance. Biggest problem is she might not have cared much about winning.
@@OnceUponAnIsland first off your title says the best final tribal losers. That infers the players. Second off on somoa his final tribal was fine. The other two did absolutely nothing but bitterness ruled the day. Also even if you think it was bad you have Ethan on this list who’s was worse and the runner up did nothing that season
Not watching the video just because Jack is in the thumbnail, in my mind he was taken to the final yes he tried to make moves but key word here is tried.
I know right? If we said that people were great players because they TRIED to make moves but failed, then the list of amazing players would be a mile long. Jake wasn't a bad player, but he is babied SO much by the Survivor fandom because totes gross Katurah defs ruined his game!1!
If you watch the first 30 seconds of this video then you will see how Jake got on the list and it has nothing to do with the first 25 days of the game.
Ozzy doesn't get enough credit, how many players would have lost by 1 vote to Yul.
Unfortunately for Ozzy it was all downhill from here
@@NimbleZebra South Pacific:
@@AsraliaX2I mean it was a season tailor made for a player like him and he still lost.
@066kshitizvsingh4 To his credit he won like 10 challenges in a row and then lost a puzzle at the F4
We're all forgetting my girl Courtney in Survivor China! The charisma in her final tribal performance netted her second place after basically having no idea how to play survivor. Her game was flawed all the way through, and she was never going to beat Todd, but she put on one hell of a show.
16:11 it CRACKS ME UP the way Parvati compares Russell to a dragon and then the camera immediately shows Coach shaking his head
I feel so bad for Jake. He and Katurah should've voted together. That was there best way of voting out Dee
Yeah, Katurah really kinda messed that up.
Did he really deserve to be listed among strong players??
They both messed up bad.
Katurah fucked up so badly there
Survivor 45 had one of the worst strategic casts ever, up there with Gabon, One World and Borneo. That final five vote is mind-blowing. Somehow, none of the Rebas voted together, and neither did the two Belos.
I hate the whole "after the show aired the jury realized yeah, we messed up" argument some people use. Of course some people's opinion may change after they have months to cool off and see things from an edited tv show perspective that can paint players in a positive light or negative light. The whole point is to convince them to vote for you to win then and there when they are still in the moment and the emotions are still running high
Yeah like doesn’t that take like a good 6 months later until it airs again.
Bitter jurors are like the concept of the show, how do you crush your competition in a way that they award you a million dollars
@@XanderMatthews-nv9zf Correct. Bitter jurors have been part of the show since the very first season. Arguably the most famous moment in Survivor history is Sue's "snakes and rats" speech, which was quite bitter.
@@bigbuffguy9589the thing was they weren’t bitter at Aubrey they just thought Michele deserved the win in the moment, they saw her brawn and only later realized Aubrey’s brain
Laurel never making a moving on Dom and/or Wendel will forever be the most upsetting moment in this whole show for me 😭😭😭
Laurel and Angela were both sooo frustrating with their lackluster games
Mine is that Sammi lied about his age to fellow tribe mates/castaways 😢
Jake didn't have a good social game, however, he deserves some credit. He was like the only person after merge that tried to get Reba out, while players like Bruce, Emily and Katurah were actively playing against their best interest lol. His tribe self destroyed and turned against each other while Reba played safe for most of the season. I really hope he returns for a Second Chance.
I don't think Emily was actually working against her self interest given how much of a mess Belo was. She just didn't throw a rogue vote when it would have helped protect her from Julie's idol play.
@@HeyLetsDoAThinghad Emily just stayed quiet about convincing Bruce to not play his idol, she could’ve easily coasted to the end
Jake was just a bad player. He failed at multiple points strategically. Not telling Katurah he was going to play the idol on her which is why she backed out and he actually wanted to go after Julie until Katurah convinced him otherwise.
in fairness no one on 45 had a “good” social game. everyone they casted were emotionally driven
What’s even crazier about Ozzy’s loss is that Adam later admitted the main reason he voted for Yul in the end was because he and Yul made a deal that if Yul kept Adam in the game longer than Penner, Adam would vote for him at FTC. Yul kept his end of the deal, so Adam did too. Adam’s vote ended up being the deciding vote that gave Yul the win over Ozzy. I’m not sure if Adam ever said that he otherwise would’ve voted for Ozzy, but it’s crazy to think that a single mid-merge deal that Ozzy had no control over may have cost him the game. Ozzy and Yul are my top two favorite players of all time and Yul deserved to win, but Ozzy doesn’t get enough credit for his performance in Cook Islands and it hurts that because he lost by one vote to Yul, arguably one of the greatest winners ever, he’s totally overlooked most of the time
Not just Jake but I'd put Austin as an honorable mention, his FTC speech was surprisingly good and he managed to get 3 votes against Dee who we all thought was gonna sweep the jury(or at least another 7-1-0 vote)
He already had those votes coming into FTC.
The first one I think of is Courtney Yates. Her surprising FTC showed how much potential she has both in the game and in general.
I never even realized that Michele was considered such a surprising winner until I started getting into social media. When it first aired me and my mom were not shocked by Michele’s win at all. We actually kind of expected it. Aubry was a great competitor and I understand people expecting her to win, but I also don’t get why it was so baffling to people that Michele won. I don’t even think Michele got a bad edit like people claim. Confessionals checked in on Michele a lot and showed that she had a good understanding of where she was at in the game. It just wasn’t a surprising win to me. Idk maybe it’s just cause they threw in a little too much Aubry content
Not with your life, but one thing that I would like to say is the people who win the team make the biggest moves and Aubrey did just on voting Scot out and I believe she only lost because the jury was better. Again, not to make me feel terrible about your logic
@@itacryan I don’t get what you’re trying to say
@@tmm4195 ok never mind then sorry
I strongly agree with you, when I watched live Michele seemed to have a high chance of winning to me. I won’t try and act like I had her as my pick from the get go, I actually had Cydney initially but slowly drifted to Michele. Her win didn’t surprise me at all, she’s actually one of my favorite winners and just players in general.
The show edited Aubrey as a winner and edited Michelle as a social person and good at challenges. Wasn't until the end that they actually made it seem like Michelle could win.
Going into 45 ftc and seeing Jake give really good answers of Dee I was like "Are we getting Gablered what is going on!"
Cry baby, dee the Best player of the season and Jake such terrible player
Luckily we didn’t get Gablered
@@bdj2896he didn’t say jake was a great player calm down lol
@@bdj2896 Oh I didn't think Dee was going to lose I just couldn't believe she was giving such bad answers over Jake
@@bdj2896 Dee the best cult leader, she has personality traits akin to Coach. Not taking away her win from her, but she didn’t play or swing the most as an individual in season 45, Jake completely drubs her if the jury actually respected that style of game.
Honorable mention to Hannah Shapiro of MvGX here, for me. She made a lot of good points at FTC about the work she put in to flipping Ken, and her role in getting David voted out. Honestly, it's a good argument, and she puts in a lot of effort to make sure the jury knows it. Unfortunately for her, I think some visible emotional breakdowns coupled with the narrative of "Adam vs. David" already being written in the minds of the jury (thus giving Adam the credit when David was voted off, despite Hannah playing at least as much, if not more of, a part in that) tanked her chances, regardless of her arguments. That and Adam bringing up his mom. Like Jeremy bringing up his child on "Cambodia", it's just hard to compete with that.
I disagree. I thought Hannah's Final Tribal Council was not good, as she kept interrupting Adam and annoying the jury. She also got caught in an inaccuracy when she claimed that she was never on the wrong side of any vote (Michelle quickly pointed out the Michaela vote, which Hannah was on the wrong side of due to Jay blindsiding both). Finally, she tried to take credit for moves that other players like Adam and David were actually responsible for making.
I think Hannah was pretty good in that season.
yeah Hannah is easily the best zero vote finalist imo
Hannah was good but she went against adam who also gave one of the best ftc performances. And the jury was set on voting for adam anyway even before him talking about his mom. Adam had a strong social game and while hannah lacked a bit there . Honestly not voting out David at 5 was a bad move and she failed to recognize adam's threat level too. Like adam had strong connections with half the jury especially people like jay who would be doing everything for him in Ponderosa and having jay on his side meant he also has millenials votes
If I were ozzy (and I sympathize a lot with him due to many factors other than class solidarity), I’d be talking about how he’s going against lawyers who will be well off regardless.
When Jonathan brought up arrogance, I would talk about how I never was good at something, and wasn’t expected to. How I finally found something that I was objectively better at, and how I understood I wasn't worthless.
That being said, i think Ozzy winning South Pacific would be much more satisfying for me than Cook Islands.
I'd actually add Russell Hantz to this list from Samoa. I was surprised to see he actually had a good performance. He laid out his case for being the mastermind. He paid compliments to Galu. He was more humble than I remembered in FTC. Unfortunately, the cast had their minds made up about him. He was an aggressive player and came across as cocky. I think them knowing he had money didn't help.
Chrissy 100% deserves to be on here. She laid out a great argument and destroyed Ryan when discussing who had the stronger social game.
The problem with Parvati's claim she controlled Russell was it was a blatant lie. She couldn't stop him from voting out Danielle or talk him into eliminating Sandra who she identified as the bigger threat.
Why is nobody mentioning Xander??
Plays a fantastic game, and doesn't get a single vote because suddenly Erica exists (after her team hated her and she did nothing for a majority of the game)
LITERALLY! Xander was the man who made so many moves, and it really confuses me how Erika won at all? What made her so special?
Exactly. We were told Erika was a threat but never saw why or why the jury voted for her. I thought she might beat DeShawn/Heather in a final 3 but once Xander won final immunity I thought had it in the bag.
I think Romeo from 42 actually had an amazing final tribal performance but didn't play nearly a good enough game leading up it
I think Chase should have made the list. He actually had a great Final Tribal Council performance, but it was too little too late. His wishy-washiness throughout the game sunk him against the likable Fabio, even if the final vote was close.
I am working on his story video right now and if it wasn't for his Marty answer, he would fit the bill.
@@OnceUponAnIsland Hmm, I actually think he did the right thing, as Marty was basically asking him to burn another juror's vote. He was better off just putting it back on Marty who was never voting for him anyway. I guess he could have just refused to answer the question altogether, but I don't think that would change anything. Anyway, I'm looking forward to your videos on Nicaragua, as it's a top 15 or so season for me with one of my favorite winners.
@@bigbuffguy9589 OMG! Somebody else who likes Nicaragua
Fabio won with the help of 2 quitters
@@markjackson6431 So what? They were on the jury same as everyone else. That precedent was set in Palau when Janu quit (with Jeff and production encouraging her to do so to keep Steph around), and they kept her on the jury. Also, it's production's fault that they quit because they gave them no clothing in one of the worst rain seasons ever.
Yul vs Ozzy is one of the all time great final twos (sorry Becky) in history. Each of them played their own game about as well as they possibly could have that season. Such a shame that one of them winning that season forever prevents the other from ever getting that title, as both absolutely belong in the Survivor winner pantheon (the Cook Islands version of them at least)
I fully agree with the cook islands version of both of them being legendary. Ozzy's social play did nothing but go downhill each time he played (though his redemption island run in SoPa is soooo satifying) and yul is boring in WaW
If Paravti two more connections on the jury, she would have won HvV. Had she maintained the working relationship with Amanda, she would have had her vote. Alas, here we are.
Amanda didn’t want to have a working relationship with Parvati.
Time and time again Amanda has said she didn’t want Parv at the end because she would win again. Colby, Rupert, and JT were stupid to vote for Sandra, she literally did nothing
They voted for Sandra because of their hatred for Russel and Poverty’s enabling of him. Their votes said that the game Russ and Parv played shouldn’t be a winning game.
I know Russel burned his shot by effectively scoring a zero in the social game. It drives me crazy the same standard is not applied to Sandra, she deserves a goose egg in the physical game. Parvati played a complete game, a masterful game, where she was targeted day 1. She was robbed by a bitter jury plain and simple.
Ozzy has such a strong case too, but unlike Parv, he had an actual real qualified heavyweight finalist to compete for votes with in Yul. Yul had played a masterful game, and his strategic game was weighed more heavilly than Ozzys physical game in the eyes of the jury. It probably helped Yul that he himself was no slouch in challenges.
Completely agree on Parvati’s complete game.
@@aperson22222Thats fine, doesn't change any of the points I made above. Physical games can be weighted low, as probably was the case for ozzy and contributed to why he lost to yul.
Regarding Sandra, yes she gets a zero in the physical game, and frankly she deserves a zero in the strategic column too for her performance on HvV. scoring goose eggs in 2/3 categories is not deserving of a win, imo.
@@belisarius7880You only need to get to the end, and be liked the most out of the remaining players in most cases. Not every aspect is weighed the same. You can be very strategic and be responsible for everyone being on the jury, but that probably won't get you the win.
It's odd people think Aubry had a great 39 day game and are shocked she lost. Her indecision at the Peter boot caused Scot, Julia, and Jason by extension to lose faith with her, the way she burned Debbie cut so deep it'd take a Chris D miracle to fix it, and Michele removing Neal really hurt her already shaky Jury support. I concede I don't know what Cydney's deal was though.
Jake had no shot in my opinion. His bad season leading up to tribal spoke louder than his amazing tribal counsel performance.
Yes, that is the point of the video.
I think an Honor mentioned to say is that after Randy saw the season Gabon he came right back around and said if I could vote again, I would cross off Bob and write down Susie after what the TV show shown him.
Would be interesting to se a little bit of an inverse (if anyone really qualifies) as players who had a lot of win equity going into FTC and just completely tanked their own game when the jury started talking to them. Off the top of my head I can think of a few who probably lost a few votes with their FTC performance, but not enough to lose the game as opposed to turning something like a 6-3 second place finish into a 8-1 vote.
Here's who I would've voted for on each of these seasons
Cambodia: Jeremy
Worlds Apart: Carolyn
Africa: Ethan
Koah Rong: Aubrey
45: Jake
Ghost Island: Domenick
Heroes vs Villains: Russel
Cook Islands: Yul
I would’ve voted for Mark the chicken on Kaoh Rong. Somehow lasted through the entire season, and a survivor that will never be forgotten.
@@MutantLollipop I agree his game was brilliant
This is how these types of arguments should be, I love it when people say "this is who I wouldve voted for" rather than "this is who shouldve won"
Damn good list!!
Though I’m partial to Sandra, Parvati would have been a damn good winnner of that season. I really feel Mama C was the clear victor that season. Kim Slayed final tribal, nice to be reminded of that. I like Michelle, I still see Aubrey is my winner of that season. Love Yul. Love Ozzy.
The only way Jake would have won is if Dee got booted at Final five and he put himself in fire and got out Austin.
He got hilariously close because he was 2nd in Final 4 before he broke the challenge so he might have won that, especially in the case when Dee might have been at Pondy.
Putting himself in fire against Austin may have given him win equity but also would have proven more difficult than Katurah.
If only Katurah didn't burn their game.
when people talk about how masterfully dee played this season i always find it funny. Had Julie been more brave she wouldve lost her greatest ally, Austin. Had she been unlucky in the last tribal council with Katurah, shes dead.
Cry baby, dee the Best player of the season and Jake is goat 🤣🤣🤣
I do agree that Dee was a good player, but she also got very lucky. I mean, just from being on Reba.
Bota Lulu and Belo had no chance.
@@bdj2896lmao nobody's saying Dee isn't a good player, just that she had lots of luck, which is inarguably a factor in every winner's game. She played very well until final 5.
Tbf it's not like Julie not flipping was just a lucky move, Dee knew Julie and worked hard to build huge social bonds with her so that she wouldn't flip.
@@amlive3560I think it’s a mix. Dee is a good player, but she was playing against morons at the same time. Her getting past final 5 was way more than just luck. That was like a miracle for her that Katurah is so dumb
I feel so bad for Jake. So many times his game was blown up because of other people. He pushed and pushed for anything to change. And nothing ever did. Jake might've been a goat. But he was our G.O.A.T
I think Zane knight should have been on this list
Why would a winner be on best final tribal losers
Spencer played a really good game in Cambodia and probably wins sitting next to anyone but Jeremy
Honestly Jake had the best final tribal performance in the 45 finale. Dee really needed the jury to hype her up to get her going. Austin and Jake sure got some props by the jury, but Emily almost went Erik from Samoa to hype up Dee. It was actually kinda annoying how much they helped her.
Jake was silence almost all final tribal council, Because he didn't have any moves.
Parvati played THE BEST GAME IVE EVER SEEN IN SURVIVOR ON HVH BETTER THEN ALL THE WINNERS IVE EVER SEEN IMO but lost to a bitter jury. If she played on later seasons, she would’ve won with all jury votes. She deserves the win, and is the true queen of survivor 😡
I felt like Jake was Sandra in Heroes vs Villains, but he was up against likeable people instead of Russel 😢
You know, I kind of think Dawn from Caramoan deserves an honorable mention. Unfortunately she had Cochran and her crybabyness to overshadow her good gameplay.
Hey, big fan but I gotta ask. So for Carolyn. I thought she was great & Mike definitely deserved the win but I still wonder if she would’ve won because according to Dan from his Survivor Oz interview. Him & Tyler would’ve voted for Will 😭😭😭 if Mike didn’t do as good of a job as he did with his questions. So with that Will would’ve got 3 votes since Rodney voted for him also. So did Carolyn actually have a shot if Mike wasn’t there? Since 3 people were willing to vote for Will over her anyways? Again good video.
I'd be skeptical. Dan is an obvious moron. I don't remember this season but weren't Caroline and Tyler pretty close?
There is a fact that most miss about Survivor and why folks vote as they do at FTC-we only see a fraction of what happens on the island. We see less than 10 hours of the up to 4776-ish hours of the time these folks spend together. We also do not see the conversations had at Ponderosa. Tom Westland said it best when he said, at the reunion of HVV that the person who won that season of Survivor deserved to win that season. Ethan, Tom, JT, Rob, and Ben are the only season winners I wanted to win their seasons. Does that mean everyone else I wanted to win was Boston Robbed?
"Jake" "Best Final Tribal Loser" 🤣
if we're going to talk about FTC performances Austin's was better than Jake
Jake should have won, he easily played the best game of those three
@@AsraliaX2 🤥
@@AsraliaX2 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 good joke 🤣🤣🤣
I really like Jake. He was in the chopping block for so long and still fought his way to the end. Guy deserves lots of respect.
Unpopular opinion, Kaoh rong had the least satisfying winner. Definitely got stolen from Aubrey
That is not unpopular in the slightest
Thoughts on H v V Season Niru
Rupert & Courtney- 💯 Voting Sandra going 2nto FTC.
Danielle- 💯 Voting Parvati going 2nto FTC.
Coach- Was swayed by Parv’s Opening Speech about Russel being her Dragon Pet.
Colby- took the moral high road even after Parv explained her deft Double Idol Play Strategy.
Jerri- Parv won her vote.
J.T- Sandra swayed his vote…. But years later J.T said to Parv…. Emotions were high. He regrets not respecting Parv’s game more.
Candice-Out To Burn Parvati into HELL for being Russel’s “battered wife” in the game…. Candice is voting Sandra 💯
Amanda- throws an easy question to Sandra why should Sandra win over Russel & Parv 😶
Amanda said years later that Parv “might” have called Amanda “a name” during the Season 20 game when merged…. And she also felt betrayed by her….. Parvati said she understood Amanda’s decision but….Amanda looked lame making it lol…. So, there ya have it. Lol
Both ladies are good, and Russel played a ruthless game too getting to the end on this all stars season.
Colby voted for Sandra in large part because he realized how hard it is to actually play under the radar. He said as much in an exit interview at the time. He tried to play that way himself, and he discovered that it's actually very hard. Because of that, he had a newfound respect and appreciation for Sandra's game because she's the master of that strategy.
I'm pretty sure this was posted before survivor 46 ended but Charlie not getting Maria's vote pissed me off
Yeah, Maria is garbage!
Russell has made it 2 times to the final I think and Russell is the 4th best character
1st-Sandra
2nd-Tony
3rd-Boston Rob
4th-Russell
5th-Parvati
Btw these aren’t my favourites but the best 5 survivor players
And Cirie should be the best which never won. She never got taken to the finale, because she would have won. Russel is different, no one will vote for him. But a great strategic player for sure.
She is when I typed who is the best non winner on google it said cirie so she wins in that
Is it just me who doesn’t see cirie as a hero I see her as neutral
@@KingConnorDC agree for me she isn't a "hero". Neutral can play on both sides for sure.
@@KingConnorDCI think most who have seen her seasons agree she's not a hero. It was probably more along the lines that they wanted her back, but didn't want her on the same starting tribe as Parvati, and between the two of them she's the closer one to the hero side.
i’ve never seen survivor but i’m assuming this was in my recommendations because of my current obsession with Traitors. the most recent final roundtable featured a huge mistake that cost the best faithful player to lose against the best traitor. literally had me screaming at the tv lmao
Its true that Parvati didn’t really connect with the heroes. But people forget that Sandra didn’t really either. She tried to rally them three times to get rid of Russell, but they didn’t listen to her because she only had a personal connection to Rupert, who she was rude to.
Its ultimately up to individual votes to determine the winner. Amanda and Candice really only gave Sandra their votes out of spite and pettiness.
Amanda flat out said she didn’t want to see Parvati win. She probably held some jealousy and resentment over Micronesia. And she checked out after she was voted out.
Candice was also jealous because she tried and failed to go to the end with the villains alliance.
If it wasn’t for the pregame crap with all those girls, and if Candice didn’t blame the villains minus Sandra for voting her out, Parvati probably wins the game.
So, if Candace hadn't been resentful about being lied to, screwed, disrespected and double-crossed for no reason then the outcome could have been different?
Actually I agree!
@@Machinu5 That Candice’s speech at final tribal about being in a bad relationship, meanwhile she jumped ship to get into an alliance with Russell and got voted out the next day. Lmao what a hypocrite. All the things you pointed out she’s donw to her Heroes alliance wdym 😂😂😂
@chaseyoung2778 Could be, but that's Candice's vote. I'm not saying you need to agree with it or think you'd vote the same way if it were you. I'm just saying blaming the jurors is missing the point of Survivor. Afterall, if only America had a share of the vote Russel would have won too, no? And if Candice and Amanda were totally different people then they would have respected Parvati's game. But they're not and she pissed them off and they voted the way they did for their own reasons whether that makes Parvati sour or not.
But we see Sandra connecting with Candance in that season and we ddon't see Parv throw any type of lifeline after she was attempted betrayed by Amanda. And the camera was usually tailling Russell and Parv so who knows how much more did we miss. Sandra was setting up her victory rather than getting tunnel vision for Day 39.
@@casper_z1259 Yep. Also, Parvati was one of the people who suggested that they split the votes on Rupert and Candice which led to Candice going home instead of either Rupert or Colby. This was an extremely bad move, as Candice was one of the only other people she could beat besides Russell. And then the other one got voted out next when Russell voted out Danielle because he no longer trusted Parvati after she hid her idol from him.
Not you saying JAKE is the 4th best losing finalist, he’s not even the best losing finalist from Season 45! Also not loving the way you’re taking about Katurah, I thought we were done blaming her for Jake’s game. He wasn’t going to win regardless, and the rest of his game was bad because of himself. Katurah would’ve done better in a final 3.
The argument of "He wasn’t going to win regardless, and the rest of his game was bad because of himself." is the premise of this video. No one here was going to win, but they did a great job at final tribal regardless. 00:10
If the point of the video is that the individual faults of each player is why they lost their game, why specifically blame Katurah for somehow screwing up Jake's game? The reason his final 5 move did not work is not because she was somehow too stupid to see the utility of voting out Dee - it was because she point blank could not trust him. If someone in Survivor does not trust you enough because of your past history in the game, it is on YOU to gain that trust back. Saying that Katurah was partially at fault for Jake losing is ridiculous because Jake wasn't socially adept enough to convince her to trust him. This is especially dumb given that he's a 0 vote finalist. Jake was not winning any combination of a final 3 from like the final 6 onwards. @@OnceUponAnIsland
The premise of the video is people who screwed up before reaching final tribal but still did amazing at final tribal given the circumstances 00:10 I know Jake wasn't winning, that's the premise of the video. He screwed up well before the final 5. That move to get out Dee was the last straw.
I’m sorry but Yul is just the GOAT in my mind, and I would’ve voted for him.
I’d have voted Ozzy that season, but would vote Yul with the foresight of seeing how arrogant Ozzy became in later seasons.
Jake did not deserve to play on a season full of those buffoons.
Aubry was for sure robbed. But Parvati? Not at all.. Sandra played the perfect game under the radar. She had connection with everyone, which saved her the votes and win.
Parvati played a better game imo, since Sandra didn’t do any big plays, shouldn’t have gained any respect from the jury, and was brought to the end because she did nothing all game, however a bitter jury voted for Sandra. She played better ig back then cuz the heroes preferred people who were nicer, but Parvati definitely did better.
@@onepieceontop133 i understand that point of view. But Sandra played it wisley because she knew which attributes they wanna see in a player. So Sandra played exactly like that and Parvati was most of the game just ruthless.
I still to this day can't understand why Amanda didn't vote for Parvati
Resentment, in my opinion.
Why did Kaleb say "Jake" when he went to vote? Was he trying to get Jake's hopes up, because he sure got mine.
I still don't like Mike or Ben as winners. They earned their wins in the eyes of their juries and that's what counts, but I wouldn't have voted for either of them or their shenanigans. Just can't respect a game where you need immunity ten rounds in a row or you're out.
I'm okay with Mike. Winning virtually all the immunity challenges has always been a viable way to get to the end and possibly win, even if it's very hard. But he pulled it off, so I have no issue with his win whatsoever. Ben is a different story. And not because of the idols, as those are part of the game. But the surprise fire-making challenge robbed Devon of his win. The only other winners that are similarly suspect are Parvati and Yul due to the surprise final 2 and final 3, respectively.
And when you take into account the fact that it should’ve been final two and ozzy would’ve won final immunity and sent yul home but got screwed by final two…
Chrissy or Devon from SV35 should have won HvHvH. Chrissy is the one who reached FTC and beautifully explained how she was a hero, a healer and a hustler.
I would like a video of best gameplayers losing due to a FTC. Imo Sugar is a good example. Great gameplay, horrible ftc.
Good idea, 04:32
I feel like out of all the new era players, Katurah may have been the most consistently screwed over by the edit. I don’t even like Katurah all that much but the way they edited her plays her as this shallow women who’s only goal is to knock off Bruce. And of course all her gameplay moves are ridiculed, I mean rightly so, she didn’t play strategically, but still, the show doesn’t even pretend they were good.
I feel like amanda in china was one were she seemed toi lose the game at final tribe. ALSO WTF with the gabbler win, I still dont understand how he won over cass and austin. I almost stopped watching Survivor at that season
Parv was robbed!!! She is the ultimate survivor queen, if the heroes had voted as they should have. Taking all the games the finalist played and seeing who had the best game. But they failed to do so and she was robbed of what was rightfully hers. 😢
Voted as they should have???? You mean voted as you wanted them to vote. Moronic.
i feel so bad and for Kaleb to make a mockery of Jake as he says “Jake” when he went up to vote at the final tribal left a terrible taste in my mouth.
People with amazing Final Tribal Councils but lost:
Kelly Wigglesworth, Neleh (Marquesas), Sabrina (One World), Jaclyn (San Juan Del Sur), Chrissy (Heroes vs Healers vs Hustlers), Gavin (Edge of Extinction), Natalie and Michelle (Winners at War), Mike (42 - but he got too defensive when called out on his gameplay), Cassidy (43), and Carolyn (44).
As for the list, Laurel was not a great Final 3 player on “Ghost Island”. All she did was talk about blindsiding Dom and Wendell, but never did. She became a floater.
Cassidy had a horrible final tribal council 😂
So glad to see the Carolyn love! I wanted her to win.
I love your videos, but maybe you can put less people in the thumbnail next time? 6 slots spoils 75% of the video.
Since he wasn't the only person to back-stab, I feel Rob could have won over Amber in All Stars for his strategy alone. Yes he didn't have a good social game that time around, but a couple of the people chastising him for how he played did the same thing LEX.
You could say Rob over Amber, you could say Parv over Sandra, I definitely feel Dom should have won over Wendell.
Someone who I think did amazing, and could have won was Charlie Davis in this most recent season. I also fucking loved Charlie, like he was so cute, and is a Swiftie, in which, I also love Taylor Swift.
Kendra’s vote was absolutely NOT up in the air in 45. She knew who she was voting for that whole time. She was always going to vote for Austin, no matter what
I usually find it hard to believe when a juror says their vote is up in the air. It might be between two people, but all three never have a fair shot.
Crazy it’s that I have to kept reminding myself that Parv didn’t win HvV 😅
I feel like in all survivor Megafans hearts, she’s the true winner
Sugar is one of my favourites because she kind of loses on purpose imo; she uses her time to indirectly push all votes to Bob.
My gosh please don’t put Jake in this mix. He can’t be put next to Aubrey, Domenic and Parv… for crying out loud . So overrated
Let's be honest. We ALL know exactly why Wendall got that final vote. Dom should have won as Wendall had to win some very specific immunities that season just to save himself while Dom played the better game.
I think Wendall got that vote because Laurel was not a strategic player and she voted for the most charming of the two. Dominic was loud, aggressive, combative and that's why he tied instead of winning outright.
That's what you meant about Laurel's vote, right?
@@Machinu5she voted for Wendell because of the color of his skin, it was very obvious.
Wendall won because he was closer to Laurel than Dom was
@@Machinu5 Wendall played his idol to save her, that says alot in terms of the social aspect of his game. But definitely the best final 2 (excluding Laurel here because she's.....kinda redundant LOL) in this new era of Survivor (S30 onwards)
@@wrongamount All good comments here, but still, If you watch this season over again, Dom dominated the game & Wendall skated on his niceness & immunity wins. He had to play the idol on Lauren just to gain some cred to get to a tie. Just saying Dom should have won, just like a lot of others who lost on this list & many more.
A few comments on Jake’s.
We all know for a fact he deserves to win. It’s soo unfair he’s on the Belo tribe which is the most toxic tribe this season and who kinda just let him Charlie Brown his way to the end cuz they couldn’t work together and Dropped dead and Reba plus Emily’s expense. plus Katurah played the worst game and literally has a true reason to go after Dee like Jake was doing. Yet she voted fucking Julie cuz she couldn’t “trust Jake” even tho he tried to save her ass. And if Jake gets Dee out, He wins the Immunity challenge cuz he doesn’t rush, he puts Austin and Julie in fire making, Julie Most likely wins and sits at the end with Jake and Katurah, and Jake wins in a 6-2-0 vote in my opinion
Aubry only lost because Michelle is legitimately one of the greatest of all time.
I feel terrible for Jake, but that final tribal was sorely lacking. I think he really had the potential to win 45, but he was playing with a bunch of selfish dummies (looking at you, Katurah).
I think coach has a place in this list
Parvati was robbed by a jealous jury; she deserved to be the first 2-time winner.
That argument was settled years ago. The winner deserves to win because the jury says they do. Parvati antagonized and mocked the heroes at every turn, and they didn't respect her attachment to Russell. Rupert shook his said and said "Just terrible."
Look at these jury members. Of course they're voting for Sandra.
I'm amazed that anyone still thinks this. The only opinions that matter are those of the jury, and it was 6-3 for Sandra.
@@Machinu5 Parvati clearly played a better game. Sandra was just more liked by the jury, so she won. That doesn't mean Sandra deserved to win. The jury failed to reward the best player.
Genuine question, why are there always bible versus at the end of every clip? I didn't expect to get religious messaging on a page dedicated to a show that revolves around lying and manipulating???
Lying and manipulation is optional on Survivor. But I have been putting verses at the end of every video since mid 2021 since I want to do everything for God even if it is just making a video about Survivor or another show.
@@OnceUponAnIsland good one!
Ozzy may be known as the best swimmer ever in Survivor, but he ain’t a good schwimmah like Jake was 🌊🏊♂️🌊
Chase should be here tbh, and I’d but Russels Samoa game over Jake or Ozzy too.
I'm sorry but my girl Kelly Wiglesworth the OG played an excellent runner-up game.
Imagine being Aubrey and not even knowing you cant even win because pieces of shit Jason and Scot refused to vote for her no matter how good she played. She could have been silent the entire FTC and it wouldnt have mattered. Kinda crazy what sour grapes Cydney and Debbie had too.
The question is would Carolyn have beaten Rodney
I wanted Kim to win in Africa, but i was ok with Ethan winning anyway.
Jake was genuinely had a bad final. If he wasn't so overwhelming positive he would have gotten more votes
Gavin should be on this list too!
THE QUEEN STAYS QUEEN. ADIOS!
Parv>>>>
@@onepieceontop133 if Parvati is so much better than Russel because she can get jury votes, then what happened here?
@@sashapatsel7170 I don’t think parvati is better then Russel bc she can get jury votes, I think she is better bc I believe she played a better game. We both know Sandra was just a coaster being carried to the end. She would never win in a newer season.
@@onepieceontop133Parv is one of the all time greats but for some ppl it’s a cult of personality. Russel was behind way more strategic decisions than Parv and saved her in the beginning of the game. If you wanna say “well she was better socially” then you have to say the same for Sandra. And it’s a weird definition of coasting to attempt to betray your starting tribe for practically the whole game without getting too much heat on yourself.
It’s fine to like Parv best, but she played the third best game that season
Not related to the game, but Nick Maiorano can get it.
Dom should have won I will forever believe that
We’re is rob from all stars?
His final tribal was terrible.
Love the Bible verses man!
There is no such thing as “your truth.” There is only truth. Everything else is emotional opinion. Young people have truly lost the plot.
I think they should’ve let Dom and Wendell both winners
amanda should have been on this list she was second in 2 finals!
This list is for players who did great at final tribal but still lost.
She doesn’t fit the point of this video, but Sugar could have easily won over bob if she had tweaked her FTC performance just a bit. Almost seamed like she was intentionally giving bad answers, and turning the jury against her. She played a great game, or at least when it comes to Gabon.
She burned jurors on her way to the end, I am not sure who she could have won over at the end?
There are winners who have screwed over the jury and still won. Sugar didn’t exactly have strong competition in Susie and Bob, but if she owned up to her game and tried to be apologetic with conviction, she might have had a better chance. Hard to say for sure who she would have won over, but, I think she would have stood a chance. Biggest problem is she might not have cared much about winning.
@@aperson22222 I actually agree. It’s just that if she had tried and wanted to win, things could have turned out differently in her favor.
Aubry was the most robbed in my opinion. I think she should have won unanimously...
katurah was a TERRIBLE cast member that season. a complete flipper and disorganized game somehow managed to get her fourth place.
Justice for robbed goddess Parvati.
Not having Russell on this list is pure bias
Which final tribal council did Russell do super well at?
@@OnceUponAnIsland first off your title says the best final tribal losers. That infers the players. Second off on somoa his final tribal was fine. The other two did absolutely nothing but bitterness ruled the day. Also even if you think it was bad you have Ethan on this list who’s was worse and the runner up did nothing that season
00:10 may explain how Russell didn't make this video. His final tribal performances were nothing to write home about.
And Ethan isn't on this list, so I am suspecting you haven't watched the video.
@@OnceUponAnIsland lol it’s the girl against Ethan you knew what I meant
Natalie vs Russel. Honestly Russel was robbed fully!
still not sure how Parvati lost hvv 😭
Go back and listen to Rupert's speech in that final, it's all been right there for almost 15 years now.
I made a video about her HvV game a couple months ago that explores in-depth how she lost.
Two words: jury management. Sandra was a million times better at it than Parvati was.
Not watching the video just because Jack is in the thumbnail, in my mind he was taken to the final yes he tried to make moves but key word here is tried.
Who is Jack?
@@OnceUponAnIsland sorry I meant Jake
I know right? If we said that people were great players because they TRIED to make moves but failed, then the list of amazing players would be a mile long. Jake wasn't a bad player, but he is babied SO much by the Survivor fandom because totes gross Katurah defs ruined his game!1!
If you watch the first 30 seconds of this video then you will see how Jake got on the list and it has nothing to do with the first 25 days of the game.