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Today we test the all new Ingersoll Rand 2236QTiMAX and Matco MT3779 REX impact wrenches. Both come with some major updates that bring along with them some lofty torque specs. So we get to the bottom of things the best we can to try and figure out what's really going on.
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As always, the creator of this channel works in product development for Astro Tools, always consider multiple sources when looking at a tool! - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Edit: Apparently the new Matco gun is not made by either IR or PTP.
Here's testing the IR with the same air coupler as the Matco: czcams.com/video/2RlTiLdhwOQ/video.html
The creator of this channel also works in product development for Astro tools, which includes the 1895 that just got handed a whole lot of whoop ass by the MT3779. The dyno doesn't know what tool's strapped to it, but it's always a good idea to consider multiple sources when looking at a tool!
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Was that water dripping from the hose fittings or oil?
@@jjchouinard2327 Air tool oil.
We also used the same Milton V fittings. But some are rightly pointing out that the couplers were different between the two weeks we tested these. Which is a result of our red milton 5 way taking a dump, and needed to use a previous coupler we've used on the channel. But we can test the IR with the same coupler this week and add a link here (ETA Thursday). We've not seen a measurable difference before, but appreciate you guys highlighting this.
If you are in product development, and you test pneumatic and electric impacts.. is there a chance Astro will develop electric tools at some point?
The disconnect between the swappable anvil tips and the hammer is where all the torkems are escaping.
Every slippable contact point of an impact is where beans slip through.
Jack and his magical beanstalk only had one branch to the golden goose, just sayin'
I came to watch this but immediately underneath is a short of a guy shooting oxygen tanks. Sorry.
Guessing you came from Edwin? That guy is nuts and i love it
That sounds like a deeply uninteresting thing to watch. Glad I'm not getting that garbage.
Where is this video you speak of
Just had to go find that video. It’s awesome!
fair honestly
IR: "Hey, thanks for making this for us China, would you like credit on the packaging?"
China: * looks at backwards controls * "No, you guys go right ahead"
But it's assembled in USA: because you were in the USA when you assembled the anvil that China left left loose in the box.
This was the comment I was looking for. Thanks man you made my day 😂
The reason the extension adds power here is because the normal loss of torsional stiffness (as you'd get with thin extensions) is greatly reduced by a hugely thick diameter. Add to that the extra mass which acts a bit like a heavy socket and presto-- more avg torque.
Agreed, matches what we see with attachments so its behaving like a external attachment. Where as we're swapped to extended anvils on old school impacts with no measurable difference.
I’m wondering how a 6” impact extension on a regular tool anvil comps to a 6” IR anvil?
@@TorqueTestChannel now weld a bunch of weight onto the hammer assembly then transplant it into a milwaukee
What's really crazy about this video is the reminder of just how powerful the dcf900 is...
In forward :P
@@TorqueTestChannel Are forwards numbers not included on the rank chart for BCS? My memory tells me the 900 made 936-942 in forwards
@@slingin_tires they are. But depending on the chart it's only the battery they will include in a kit when tested
@@TorqueTestChannel Understood
Years ago SnapOn offered a splined anvil impact wrench, didn't work then either.
Seems about par for the course for IR to me. I used to work for IR air compressor division and every new iteration seemed to be less reliable and worse than the last. They seem like a company complacent in resting on their history.
Every old company is like that nowadays. I have a cool waterproof Fluke multimeter and it has bad connections where the test leads plug into. It’s just a bad design. I live with it because I’m not measuring super precise stuff at work and I didn’t pay full price.
IR compressors were really rough for a long time. Atlas not much better and getting worse. I started using Compair and they went downhill, last lot were HPC (Kaeser) and much better. Glad I'm retired.
Wurth stopped using their ones rebranded for similar reasons I think
I feel you, brother, master Ingersoll Rand compressor technician here. Over 20 years with the company split my share of SSR 100-350s worked with the old XLE and PHE . I loved the company, but from 2000 to 2010, Ingersoll Rand basically sold their souls if you asked me. Crap Weg motors from china,the #$@ $#@% Nirvanas about destroyed our relationship with our customers. It's a complete shame because they ran off all their good technicians and ran the line in the dirt. I have all IR tools and compressors for my shop but old tools. Hell the Type 30 was the best line ever made but as you know they ruined that as well. Sad 😔
You have to put in the anvil yourself. That's how they can state "assembled in USA" you did the final assembly
I for one appreciate the appearance of air tools; I haven't yet been fully converted to cordless...
I’m looking at these and wondering if I should be looking at air tools more :)
@@gf2e Depending on your exact use case, that might not be a bad idea... My two cents
In a shop environment where there's alrealdy an air supply, I still think it's a no-brainer, despite the power density of batteries. I feel that by and large, pneumatic tools still provide a better combination of size, power, and and durability for a price as despite living in a very rust-prone geographic location, I have yet to come across a chassis bolt on a passenger vehicle that my decade old sub-$200 air-impact won't chew right through given a decent air supply.
If the air line pisses you off, plumb an extension directly onto the tool to reduce the number of fittings around one's hand. I personally use a high quality swivel on the tool, followed by a 12' whip of light-gauge line, connected to heavy lines in the shop. 99% of the time, the reduced flow caused by the whip is still sufficient for the job at hand; and when it's not, temporarily removing the whip is quick and simple.
There are plenty of air ratchets barely bigger than a tube of toothpaste, yet the average battery powered air-ratchet is of similar size to a 15A corded angle-grinder... a light air line that follows your arm will never be an issue if the tool doesn't easily slip in to tight spots.
A small 1/4" battery gun for under-hood work? Sure, I get it, but where I live I'd prefer to break small fasteners free manually, lest the first two kicks of an impact wrench twist the corroded heads right off.
YMMV
I will never nor will i be in a field that requires impact wrenchs, but something about this channel makes it addicting to watch
I do eyeglass repair at the senior citizen center, Finding the adapters to get my 2235 turning screws was tricky but the RPMs have really helped my flat rate numbers.
@NONO-hz4vo Nice! Just a few uggua-duggus.. dont want tweak the frames! 😂
Same 😂
power tool make me feel like GOD
Yeah, I'm in healthcare. I am obsessed with this channel.
You changed the air hose quick disconnect between testing the IR and the Matco gun. Different quick disconnects can make a significant changes to air flow to the tool
I got the Matco when they were still new on the trucks a few months ago. It is now the most powerful impact in our shop and it’s been fantastic.
"Be careful with the settings on the 3/8" anvil" proceeds to have backwards power settings that swap around when you flip to forward. Does it come with a decoder ring?
That UX "design" is something I'd expect from a Temu tool. It even has the "multitool" 10-in-1 attachment strat going
That's disappointing for the Ingersoll Rand. I have one I used back in the 70's and 80's. It was, and still is; a very good impact. They really need to do something about those settings being so out of register. A good many wouldn't figure that out, unless they were looking for it in advance. IR needs to take a look at your tests, at the very least. Really a shame.
That spline drive is an interesting idea, but they'd need to somehow redesign it to eliminate backlash to avoid the power loss they're seeing because impact wrenches are intermittent tools. Maybe some kind of mild taper with a collar that locks it down into the splines?
The 2135 is a beast bought it almost 20 years ago. Still works great. I'd like it if you tried the cornwell 1 in pistol grip.
I have a 2135qxpa, it was pretty low on power so I ripped out the mufflers in the handle and around the motor, now its one of the most powerful in the shop
Got a dcf 900 because of this channel. Happy to see it's still way up there.
I still hold to the fact that something asked to do many things cannot do any one of them up to expectations. I wonder if the mass of the extended anvil behaves like a weighted socket.
It would also be interesting to weld the anvil into the new IR and see how much it's really losing
Years ago. Spline Drive guns were pretty common for guns the size of 3/4” and 1” . They had external splines though instead of internal and the sockets all had splined receptacles to match.
The "issue" that causes higher performance in reverse at the low setting is not really an issue. The regulator reduces performance in forward by bleeding live air to exhaust which it cannot do in reverse. However, every 2 direction air motor requires what is called a secondary exhaust path which is incorporated into the reverse valve. This creates an air path from the non-driven side of the motor to exhaust which prevents recompression of air as the air chambers on the non-driving side of the motor compress. The forward regulator in the lowest setting allows for increased secondary exhaust flow, which increases performance. Not sure how you set air pressure for your testing but if you set it to 90 dynamically you should get close to the rated number, unless IR is rating it with a statistical Max for safety purpose.
You need to get a hold of the dcf860 and dcd1007. They are already available in Asia
All this time and effort and only now is matco first of any to barely edge out the astro for 3x the price at that. What is going to be their next major flagship impact?
still very happy with my HF Earthquake red 1/2 impact gun. Running strong for over 7 years now in professional use.
@TTC I'm glad to see you're not ashamed to say anything when your products(you workfor\on) are beaten.
But one thing Astro does have a couple things better w\the THOR!
Longevity of product testing & a way better price!
So to me saving some coin & still having a kick ass impact is way better than the newest,cutest girl down on the corner while charging for it. Might as well get some money before the looks go to crap!😅
I got the exact one for my job. I have dubbed it. The PURPLE NURPLE!
Named my rex Barney. Got it on sale and I am not disappointed!
Its sad that these expensive and brand new air impacts cant surpass even Dewalt. I think people nowadays get more and more excited about electric and air is for filling up tires
The DeWALT made that torque in forward. Not sure what you guys need 1,000 ft-lbs in forward for
@@TorqueTestChannel I need ALL the torque all the time 😏
Most cordless tools will be in the garbage in 5 yrs, or getting weak.
My ir231 from '89 is as good as ever, and used a lot.
I finally got another, the Astro Thor, because of the high power. Great deal, I expect it to be around for a long time, also.
I think of cordless as almost disposable. Not quite, but the batteries just WILL die.
@@TorqueTestChannel Ever had an axle freeze solid to hub splines? It's not super common but it happens. Using an axle pusher or whatever it's called, you can need all the torque you can get. My 900 has done very well for me
awesome video and videos, shame i cant get matco tools in australia, i would love to see you guys do more videos "hotrodding" other air impacts to see the numbers change
I like the idea of the interchangeable anvils, but if im reaching for air, we are in a serious situation, i jeed good power and i am going to just lay into it until the bolt moves, and im not sure if this isnthe gun for that gig.
I freaking love this channel!
Perhaps you could touch on the differences between "Made in USA" vs "assembled", buy American, and how those labels are regulated or total scammery.
Oh man, I could talk for a long time on this. But simply Made in USA has to be wholly or virtually all made and processed in the 50 states. If the product is close to raw material in finished state that needs to include sourced materials made in USA as well.
Assembled in USA is one version of a qualified USA product. It requires finish assembly that undergoes as "substantive transformation" and usually should require skilled work and tools or machinery to perform. This was created back when finish assembly would be done in the US due to a more skilled workforce. Now-days it's more often (though not by everyone) used as a loophole as it's less regulated by the FTC, is harder to regulate, and IF you're ever "caught" it's not so much a punishment as a "hey, actually this is wrong, don't do that".
People often think brands only do this for marketing reasons but there's a list of benefits to skating the line.
- HTS codes. You can often bring a tool or product in as parts and pay a lower tariff %, or avoid the current 25% tacked most but not all Chinese products.
- Patents. Sometimes the source country (if they care about these things) has a patent on a product and can't be made there.
- Tax incentives. Counties and states in the US provide tax breaks to companies that employ a skilled workforce or produce US products. You can have a 90% workforce warehousing, shipping, logistics but 10% assembling tools and sometimes this still qualifies.
@@TorqueTestChannelIt’s a bit like Brazil repackaging Japanese electronics, SOMETIMES in a Brazilian-made plastic shell, just to skirt import restrictions. When NAFTA happened all of North America switched to Made in Mexico.
Ford is known for this as well... A certain SUV is made in Mexico & Germany. But assembled in the good ol USA!
Keeps the tariffs down, profit up, & quality below the belt!
UAW finally had enough & went for the throat w\last contract negotiations.
But with the EV fiasco the workers are probably looking at becoming more & more a couch potato 😢
@@TorqueTestChannel "Made in USA" is definitely a lot looser than you're describing here as well. I previously worked for a Canadian company that made pipe for oil and gas wells. We purchased steel coils from Canadian steel mills, had them slit by a Canadian subsidiary of our company, then sent them to a pipe mill we built just over the border, where the steel slit coils were rolled into pipe. The pipe was then shipped back to the plant I worked at in Canada, where we heat treated the pipe, performed extensive testing on it, threaded the ends for assembly, then shipped it out the door as "Made in USA". Canadian raw materials, bulk of processing done in Canada, but apparently the fact that it became a pipe in the USA was substantial enough for the entire end product to be marked as made in USA. And this wasn't a fraudulent claim on "our" part either, this was signed off on by the US government for tariff and duties.
Just assume everything is made in China, because it likely is.
Battery powered tools have their place, pros convenience, weight, air tools are almost indestructible compared to Battery powered, I've dropped thrown air impacts they never die you can even lower a car lift on them and do no damage at all, a battery impact will get crushed. A air compressor and a little oil maintenance the air tool is like a roach it will survive a nuclear event.
I have the matco 1/2“ impact from 5 years ago and have been amazed by the power it makes.
You should be extremely proud of what you do.
Things like running the gun at realistic shop pressures (130-150) and the charts make this the go to for industry and individuals. Thanks
The swapable anvils might be worth a try and if the whole setup is as tough as the old guns it will still hammer away in 15 years. Unlike most cordless guns
Looks like IR has to come out with a special set of sockets with splines to avoid those energy loosing sloppy seconds.
I bought the 2779 last year a few months before the 3779 came out, I was a little disappointed that had I waited a little I could have got the new one but in the end I still love the 2779. It’s a beast and gets work done, haven’t ever needed more power from it yet.
The spline drive would work better on larger guns like 3/4 to 1 inch. Kind of a waste for IR to put it on a half inch gun. Swapping from a standard anvil to a extended anvil or swapping from 1 inch to 3/4 inch would be nice so I won't have large guns taking up the limited space on my service truck.
Another great video!! Thank you!!
5:47 “and there’s no way to know this without a skidmore or dyno like ours”
Of course there is. Like watching a great channel like TTC. Awesome work boys
I just bought the Matco on Monday, so I had a vested interest. Good to see it put in a good showing.
Enjoy seeing versatility innovations like the splined swappable anvil but it seems like it can be tricky to get right. More successful but still a bit reminiscent of the Bosch freak hammer, which was, in its own right, an interesting idea but never seemed to work phenomenally well.
I got that Matco in purple a few months ago and it kick ass like nothing else. It was expensive but it’s made its money tenfold.
Just checking up from the ball joint press video from about 2 years ago, since I haven't seen anything on snap on for their BJP1 kit I was wondering how it compares to kits from astro and such. Great video with the high speed footage for the attachement details!
So I had a matco 2779, and I loved it. I ended up selling it when I bought the 3779 with very high hopes..... after two weeks of being in denial about it sucking, I returned it and purchased another 2779. Another guy in my shop did the same thing.....
Can you swap the 2236 anvil assembly on to the 2235? Or any of your other impacts. I am curious if there's a way to quantify any power loss from the new setup, which I do like.
Think for the settings it’s a feature for not over torquing fasteners, especially for lug nuts. Full power on reverse to take off but little power tightening. Also big fan!
I kind of like that "feature" on the IR. You can keep the gun on high for removal and then when you switch to forward its automatically in low for install. Not sure if that is what they were going for, but could be handy
I love the idea of exchangeable anvils. Will save a load of space in the toolbox.
Ive been using the astro thor v2 since you guys announced it, pretty happy with it overall. My only complaint so far is just the forward/reverse, I wish it was more like an IR. Sometimes I hit it on accident, might be a me issue though lol
The IR style fwd rev switch can't be beat in ease of use. Maybe cordless but that's it
This video reminded me that I haven't touched my air impacts in years now. The interchangeable anvils are cool but not cool enough to go back to air. I hope they stand the test of time and perhaps find their way to other tools.
Got mine in purple as well i love it
they missed the mark on that spline thing, you could put that on a short impact and have stubby socket set that goes straight into the spline, expensive sure but imagine the stubbiness xD
I agree, that would be awesome
I would be shocked if IR isn't going to release splined sockets for this tool. Missed opportunity. What was even the point?
I love that they give you a ball mark repair tool to insert the anvil.
Couldn't click fast enough! Everybody here at the shop bought the T-Rex impact, as soon as it came out. Good to see it can put out some great numbers.
Thing is a savage yet feels like a puppy dog
I was looking forward to this review, I planned on getting one. Not so much anymore.
Wondering if there’s a way you can get a hold of some master craft tools for the channel to test, I’m sure many of my fellow Canadians would love to see how their power/hand tools compare!
i’m a plumber in fayetteville nc, i actually have done some drain work for the plant in southern pines, they do a lot of their building right here in nc
Are you oiling the air tools when you use them? I know it sounds dumb but it helps
Ive been wondering about that IR for a while, went how i figured.
Make a video testing impact gun mufflers and their effect on performance!
Unrelated to this video, but an idea for a new video, show with parts on how you upgraded some of those older air guns with new fins, ported, motors, etc.
I almost picked one of these up when it got released to finally upgrade my 2135 which I've always loved....in light of this testing, I'm going with a solid meh.
Hi TTC! As far as I remember, "IR" was designing and engineering their composite impact guns to give maximum torque after about 20-30 seconds of work with anvil being stationary (extremely high torque required scenario). At least mine was and still is like that. Please try cranking it a little longer. Thanks.
IR's own testing practices developed with SIOUX tools & Skidmore Wilhelm that standardized this sort of thing doesn't go beyond 10 seconds.
I only know Ingersoll rand for the club car side of things grew up around fixing golf carts. So I’m interested in the air tools now
Looking forward to you testing the 3/4 Ridgid Impact. It seems to have "the beans"
I freaking love the spreadsheet data.
Seems that if they had a reliable way to 'lock in' the splined attachment to keep it from bouncing around at the attachment point, it would probably negate some of that loss. But I imagine that maybe a fair more difficult to keep it reliable and from breaking a the torque levels were seeing now.
"No way to know"? You can hear it!
Why did you change air fittings for the two different guns? What brand/ model did you use on them?
Air fittings? We've used Milton V on every air tool since the start.
As for couplers, we used one of the Italian universal couplers we often have since channel start on the IR as we've been having fitment issues on the red Milton 5 in 1. So we've since ordered the all steel milton 5-in1 couplers hopefully they will last longer. We got the viewer's Matco later during shooting so it has that. Both coupler types have a CFM well in excess of the tool, but we still own the IR so would be happy to show it with the same coupler if people like.
The pinned post was updated with a link, FYI
What about line volume? Try a 3/4” hose and quick disco’s
As badazz as that Matco is, the Thor is just such a beast for the money.. I just don't see 3× the value coming from the Matco.
You should test the new matco rex stubby impact im very curious about it and how it compares to other brands and its old self
The new IR gun with the reverse selector with a "Double Check" detent does the position of the dial of power affect that?
I have the Thor II and it’s been great. I also got the new Matco stubby, which they claim has 1200 ft lbs. Could you guys test the new Matco stubby MT3765PP?
Try doing some more air tool testing with 1/2 hose
I really want to see you do the kobalt 1/2 and 3/8 in air impacts. I have had my half inch that is rated for 750 ft lb for 6 years I use it everyday at work and has outlasted both my Matco 1/2 impacts. Also you can use matco parts in them as well.My 3/8 has a matco anvil in it.
Lets just take a moment do admire the Dewalt just carrying everything to get that torque, instead of needing some long air hose.
Mannnn I want to see you get your hands on a Paoli hurricane 2!
I have the Rex, it has been an absolute beast in our shop.
What's the difference between the two air fittings you used on the new matco and the new ir
Good question. The same Milton v fitting but the coupler style we used to us vs now use. Same cfm capability, but we'll post here this week using the same coupler to just cover our bases
@@TorqueTestChannel Just set the air pressure correctly. Place a gage between the quick disconnect and the gun then set to 90 psig while the tool is free speeding.
The Rex has proven very strong for me; however I've still had to break out my DCF961 several times. But I can't complain, they're about the best of both worlds! 💯
Air for speed, cordless for max torque
You should try the non QTI tool since QTI means quiet. Which means a different exhaust material is used to stifle sound and that changes the power of the tool because of the slight restriction in air flow at pressure
There is no non Q of the new 2336
Could u show how power a dump truck(PTO) bed with impact wrench
I want to power the spline coming off the hydraulic pump
You wont what to impact on anything that wants to be constantly turned
Looks like I’ll just buy an old ir impact. The 2235 just seems better. Either the old 2235 or I’ll go with matco or aircat. Also can you test the matco raptor?
The 2235 is awesome
Maybe some thicker grease could help tighten the gap between the splines and transfer more torque?
So they added a not needed gimmick, less performance, and a higher price? The shareholders will be thrilled! Corporate greed in a nut shell.
Saw the thumbnail and thought that IR decided to make an impact that forgoes the whole concept of sockets and instead just fits onto the nut by itself. Would be interesting, all though inconvenient to have one impact for each nut size needed, but if torque is all one cares about that would be an interesting take. (I have no clue if that would actually be an improvement or not.)
The idea of using a spline seems interesting as well.
Perhaps they start selling sockets with a spine later on, who knows.
Someone in our shop just bought that purple Matco. It's way better than last gen. I know someone who has last gen and it putts out on lugnuts that my Octane can remove with ease. You give an octane a 12AH battery, it delivers
That might be a few gens behind or something is wrong with it. My previous gen matco could rip off semitruck lugnuts like butter
@@ianthompson2802maybe it was a few behind. He just bought it new like 5 months ago though. And it's not the same style as the one shown here
figured the changeable anvils was a bad idea. Glad I didn’t get it when I had the chance lol
Would you guys do an AMA?
Now the one thing I don't see on the IR 2236 is a grease point. Are these ones not able to be greased?
The Matco might have the same regulator defect as the IR. Guy in my shop has the earlier Matco and in reverse it's RPMs are faster on "low".
My old extended anvil Ti is wore out and giving up recently. My remaining Thunder Gun is also failing hard. I gotta find at least one new TG. And a new workhorse. Currently using some brand I've never heard of that a guy traded me for a used race helmet lol.
Do a series on dremel and tools like it!
The Thor is more Robin Hood. Definitely the king, I hope to see more of them in the hands of pros.
I love mine, if they come out with a third gen I might replace my first gen, but no real reason to. Most shops don't even have air set ups that'll let me take full advantage of it
TTC I’ve got a request for you, I would love to see if you can’t up the RPM speed on the Thor gun via new iteration of your previous chainsaw massacre! It would just be interesting to see if you could operate a airgun using the chainsaw!
My old 2235 did the exact same thing had more power in low than it had in high
i wonder how VEVORs 1000ftlbs model compares it was first g.u.n and it likes forward
600 bucks... It they would slap 450-500$ price tag on it they would sell more and make more money quicker as with quality build and numbers like that people would want to try it
They might also lose money in it. Prices aren’t randomly selected.
The IR IMHO might benefit from a slight change in exchangeable anvil design. If the splines were slightly wedge shaped, and the "click" system was more akin to a bayonet or chuck fastener, it would likely fit more snugly, and lose less energy. But that's just from personal experience with spline systems, I'm by no means an expert.