What's Lilith's TRUE Plan? - Hazbin Hotel Season 1 Ending Explained
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- čas přidán 1. 02. 2024
- Hazbin Hotel's first season has now concluded and with it, TONS of world changes are upon Hell's residents. From Sir Pentious getting into Heaven, extermination days being done, and the craziest of all...Lilith's reveal of staying in Heaven alone. What exactly is going on with her?
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Little detail i've noticed is that Lucifier only joins the fight AFTER one of the Charlie's (sacrificial) lambs gets killed. Guess she didn't have that family rate after all. RIP Dazzle
Say what?!😨
Dazzle did not deserve this, and no one seams to be talking about them dying
I was wondering if they actually died because they were Charlie's toys that Lucifer brought to life 😢 Razzle and Dazzle didn't deserve that 😭
Noooooooo :(
hold on a lucifer damn minute you might be onto something
I think the power imbalance between Adam lucifer and Charlie is supposed to show how much charlie has neglected her magical powers
I agree, she’s objectively powerful, but not a fighter.
That's hinted in prior epsiode when Vaggie mentions that should be more authoritive, and Charlie moans "That's soo mean!"
I feel that we've still not seen full power of Charlie. In prior interviews it was said that Charlie has wings, from her dad's inheritance. WE finally got to see her change to more demonic form, than just sharp teeth and horns, we actually got to see a tail and pitchform manifest.
I'm hoping in next season we get to see her transform more and get wings.
Not really I mean Charlie was getting no diffed by Adam until Lucifer came in
I think it was supposed to be more of an indicator that she is still holding back. She's supposed to be the 2nd most powerful being in hell, but Charlie is not someone willing to do harm on a whim. That's why she fought with a shield, not a weapon. That's why she stopped her dad before punching Adam into mush. The one scene where she protects her dad from Adams attack and her arm gains some extra power is meant to be but a glimpse of her full capabilities.
@@emmanuelotiki1555Even Adam was surprised Charlie was able to block his punch. So Charlie is equal to him or greater, but is just the worst fighter and lack training.
Also, part of me actually wants to see Adam come back as a sinner demon. Because as it stands, he's almost a Martyr for heaven. Someone who died at the hands of demons while doing his job. If he appeared in hell as a new sinner demon. It wouldn't just confirm that souls can go up or down even in the after life. But also shows that it's possible angelic weapons don't eliminate people but send them to a new part of the cycle depending on their choices. Also, having Adam thrown off his throne and being forced to live with the sinners he once killed would be more ironic of a fate. Like, he got into Heaven on a technicality and now he's getting his proper punishment.
Same here i like adam way too much
straight cooking rn
Well, Lute didn't take Adam's body back with her. She grabbed his halo and bounced. We last see him on the ground, eyes closed and leaking like a sieve... but was he actually dead, or did he actually die? Or did Lute just assume this was the case?
We already know an angel killed with an angelic weapon can become a sinner in hell. This is exactly what happened to Vaggie - Lute took an eye and slit her throat with an angelic spear. Her appearance changed and she lost her wings for a while. Not sure what the exact criteria is, but it is clearly possible for angels to fall.
@@thunderdragonish vaggie didn't die though. Lute took her eye and wings and left her for dead, but she was found by Charlie before she could die. I think, technically, shes more of a fallen angel if anything.
I think Lilith’s deal with Adam was that she would stop inspiring sinners and letting the exterminations happen as long as she could be exempt and that she could stay in heaven.
They never said she made a deal with Adam only that her deal was done because he died.
I think she made a deal with the seraphim letting her into heaven and Adam into hell
@@richardtust6355 that makes more sense, the extermination exist only because the Seraphim allows it, not because Adan just wanted to kill sinners.
@@ShadowFri3nd Sera said she didn't want to allow Adam's idea of exterminations and the only reason she did was to keep Emily safe. So uhh, he did want to. He even said for those with divine ordainment, extermination is entertainment.
@@kaceish nah she just making a excuse and blaming adan, after all the decision to allow it was from her and her only.
I'm still pretty comfortable saying Charlie is stronger than Alastor. Remember, she was able to outright stop an attack from Adam. I think what it was is that Charlie is SO nice that even in her full demon state she was holding back.
and it was her first fight
Charlie has more power than Alastor, he however has expierience
@@elskaalfhollr4743 True. Well, first fight in anything resembling her league at least. I'm not counting her little dust up with Katie in the pilot as that would hardly give her a challenge
@@deralteheide7298 That's probably the real reason he did better against Adam
It was straight up confirmed by Vivziepop that Charlie is only under her parents, Lucifer and Lilith, in terms of power. Given she’s half seraphim (already amongst the highest ranked angels) and half human/demon, she could deal with any overlord, Ars Goetia royal, and even the Sins outside her father.
Judging by Liliths glare, she looks like she’s more mad at being told to stop her daughter
Whether because she is being told what to do or because she doesn't want to disrupt Charlie's dreams remains unclear.
Theory heaven knew about Charlie and threatened to kill her unless lilith leaves hell and thus granting Charlie and all hellborne an exempt from extermination. A deal made with Adam and Sera to keep the balance between heaven sanctuary and bell's obedience. With Adam now dead that deal is dead and all heads are on the chopping block unless lilith fixes her 'fuck up". Remember the extermination squad is not the full forces of heaven not even in the slightest
@@samiel992 The way Lute characterizes it though seems more like Lilith came to Adam for a deal and Lute is cashing in on it now that she's lead in command. Because Lute is smarter in some ways than Adam was.
I am definitely curious what has driven Lilith to do what she did, whatever it was.
@@philippeblais8594 I think she's mad she has to leave paradise to go deal with Charlie
@@starwish1037 I doubt she is a bad mom nothing from in the pilot of otherwise shows this, maybe she is making the best of a situation or in the most chill prison ever.
Listen, I love my boy Sir Pentious but I laughed so damn HARD when he died. Like this little build up moment towards his sacrifice and Adam just going "Yeah... nah" and just one shot my snakeman. Like I couldn’t even feel sad cuz the whole scene was just too funny to me
I laughed very hard and I had to do a double take because I couldn't believe it.
@@pegeta I laughed to but was just confused because Adam said that could have been a problem but one shot the ship
I think the problem would have been if the laser had actually managed to fire.@@kdjr3062
Fr it's one of those moments where you laugh, feel slightly ashamed in yourself, then continue laughing
It's probably kinda like a glass cannon sort of deal also it may not of killed him But it probably would've hurt @@kdjr3062
5:14
This little smile Adam gives here feels extremely meaningful. He was "betrayed" by both Lilith and Eve, so I think seeing Lute's loyalty gave him a little peace before the end.
I mean, Adam did fight demons yearly for almost 10.000 years. It's not like Charlie is less powerful, she has more potential than him but lacks experience.
Adam definitely had more potential
@@emmanuelotiki1555Nah, seeing how Lucifer bodied him while Charlie is his and Lilith, who is Adam equal in the opposite gender, she definitely have more.
The experience isn't the problem, the problem is that she's fighting with restraint against someone who refuses to use any. It's very clear she has no intention of killing or hurting anyone more than necessary.
Adam could fight, the Exterminator Angels were a big let down. They literally charge in without any kind of armor and only used melee. Guns and explosives were killing them.
Heaven was better off sending in an army of those heavily armor soldiers from MW2 2022.
@@Gruntvc That is explained tho, Angels did not believe that they could be armed so... They fucked up
“I don’t care who they sending from the IRS, I’m not paying my taxes!”
-Adam (maybe)
Joker: "You will pay taxes, and give me my electric car, don't mess with IRS"
And that's why they killed him. The demons are assets for the real evil, the IRS.
Deus Ex warned us and we didn't listen. :(
Imagine going to the afterlife and still have pay taxes
Nice Dan Vs. reference😁
I wish we didn’t have to pay taxes!
With how Husker said that Heaven isn't his style I really doubt they'll go the route of every good person in hell leaving. I think the most likely route is Heaven and Hell working together to solve their problems, seeing as how they've been portrayed as 2 sides of the same coin (Charlie and Emily being hopeful, Sera and Lucifer being jaded, Heaven being snobbish and Hell being shameless, etc).
I think i might be more similar to sir pencious, because he died after reforming right? So husker has to die to go to heaven.
I think Adam's smile at the end was him getting to see Lute's face one last time..
Also maybe the knowledge/confirmation that there was someone who genuinely cared for him and it was Lute. I doubt any of the other characters liked him other than Lute in the series.
I also find it curious though why she left his body behind. That man's corpse will absolutely gel violated 💀
@sevimzdem - Charlie didn't give them time. They kinda had to leave quick as possible, or the demons would kill the rest of them.
@@sevimzdem - She definitely cared about him. She started crying. I know we're going to see what he meant to her in S2. Lute will either die in S2 or be one of the final villains of the series.
If Eve is discovered to be behind most of what's happening. I'd say that she'll make a deal with Lute. Giving her power.
It was him encouraging Lute to take extermination to the next level
I'm still kinda surprised that adam just looks like some guy. Honestly, he looks more like a Blake or a Brad.
To be fair, he was the original "some guy"... so technically, every "some guy" looks like him!
He is the first man, wdym?
I mean, it's Adam. Literally "The Original Dick" and a fan of Rock. Of cource he's gonna look like typical frat boy.
he looks like human chaz from helluva boss but fatter
@@KennyLastnameyeah no adam should be THE guy how is the first man made by God supposed to be some guy Lucifer did it and not hazbin just because hes the first man doesnt mean you get to make him a part of the modern feminist agenda
"You'll crush the serpent's head and he will bite your heal".
I found it kinda poetic that the two major casualties were Adam and Sir Pentious.
Intentional?
Sir Pentious went to heaven, truly deserved.
it's even more poetic when you realize Adam and Pentious have the same voice actor (Alex Brightman)
Razzle and gazelle, remember that.
@@pegeta "Major", tho.
Valentino definately knew that he dodged a bullet when he saw Nifty stabbing the hell into Adam 💀💀
Imagine if angel just sent nifty after him ,if val gets killed then angel’s contract,as well as the contracts of all the other sinners controlled by him,would be null and void..angel would be free
Adam could be hide that secret from Charlie. But he proved in Episode 6 that he can’t keep his mouth shut to save his life (literally). He revealed Vaggie’s secret, revealed the extermination to the angels.
I think only Lute knew.
Right, I thought the "deal being done" was based around the conditions of getting to stay in heaven until hell's uprising killed Adam. By her leaving hell, it would have slowed the uprising, and Adam's death would serve as a marker for strength from the sinners and /then/ Lilith would have to intervene to stunt their advances.
@@EelGood it’s a possibility. Could also be that the deal wasn’t completed because he is dead. Can’t fulfill a deal if one party is eliminated. 🤷🏾♀️ cuz how could they plan for Niffty to off him? It was an unpredictable move. She could’ve made the deal with Adam and Lute (or just Lute and she plant the seeds for Adam), which is why Lute knew about the deal.
It’s variables I’m looking at. Adam’s got a huge ego. He’s too easy to persuade and manipulate if he thinks he’s got a gain in it. Probably made Adam think the deal was with him but it was actually with Lute. But it’s just a theory. 🤔
@@EelGood cuz Lilith’s body language towards Lute at the end reads “fuck, now I gotta get my hands dirty??😩😤”
Charlies weakness against Adam and in general most powerful beings is that it seems her Demonic powers more recently started taking hold and her Angelic nowhere to see on top, most people treat her as if her Angelic powers/blood arent a thing. And taking from the scene where she singlehandedly stopped Adam in his tracks (with a pretty showy cinematography) it looks like that will be an emphasis in S2, Charlies powers developing and having to learn to control and use them, and eventually discovering her Angelic side
Hazbin is no shonen, sorry
@@What_QuestionMark i have no clue what that is bc i don't watch anime but ok
@@khaens1116 Yet you knew it comes from anime, curious...
@@What_QuestionMark not hard to figure out it's a Japanese word my guy... And being that this is a comment on an animated show with magic and powers, clearly it wouldn't be a general word used day to day in Japan and a specific manga/ anime
Not watching doesn't mean I'm uneducated
@@khaens1116 You knew precisely that "shonen" was japanese, idk man. Could of been from english, or even any other language; I am not buying it. You can admit you're a massive weeb and like shonen like stories, it's ok. Nobody's gonna judge you, don't worry
I think Charlie was still holding back during the figh with Adam. Towards the end, she briefly let out her full power and literally stopped Adam in his tracks with one hand.
a blow that had shattered alastor's shield in an instant.
HOLDING BACK!!?? 😂😂
@@soulhellaze9414 yes holding back.
Because lucifer guided her. She doesn’t know how to use her power fully, and if she does learn to, she would become nearly as powerful as lucifer
@@susimposter9286maybe even the concept of the children becoming stronger than the parents, but this is a big maybe to me.
It's so good to know that this show has a few seasons planned because I just NEED this to continue on for a long time.
It ends with almost everyone going to Heaven
Charlie and Vaggie become the new rulers of Hell and make it all like the Hotel
@@christiandauz3742 How the fuck do you know?
@@Angeldust.462
It is a very reasonable deduction
Hell becomes a rehab for Sinners
I love that little smile that Adam gave, it said so much. I felt like Adam was kind of wasted potential but that smile was weirdly soo much character development it was enough
I think because if you look at it from a different point of view Adem was the hero of the show.
By definition this Hell isn't Liberal L.A it's the realm of evil and sin. The people in it by definition are not good people. Adam was clearing out people that actively didn't care about redemption or changing. He was always besides his number two and the smile showed he actively cares about her. Then add in the fact she was with him and trusted him for a reason. Ok he wasn't the smartest guy but what straight, white, male is in media today.
Meanwhile Charlie and the crew are knee deep in plot armor.
I have a feeling adam will come back. After all if a demon can come back as an angel, then surely an angel can come back as a demon
@@mrs.doctor1241 one can hope 😭😂
tbf, it was charlie's first fight vs a guy that has benn literally fighting since time immemorial, and she held her own
I know for first fight she did amazing job
She did not hold her own 😂😂😂
@@emmanuelotiki1555She actually made him bleed and caught his fist once her true power seemed to kick in.
Now to be fair she fought the reporter in the pilot😂
@@kirbystar7474I mean not to downplay what she did but she only did it because of her weapon (her being part angel has the ability to hurt Adam) and she caught him off guard after that she was finished. Imo she was taken out of that fight way to early
I feel Sir Pentious's death actually works. Alastor couldn’t handle Adam, how could Sir Pentious? Further more it adds to the scene being heartwrenching, because he never stood and a chance and he dissapeared just like that, i almost didn’t understand at first that he was truly dead. His sacrifice felt almost like it was for nothing and that was painful to know about, because how dare it be that way? But it is that way, irl its always been that way. And this show deals with a lot of existential questions. It doesn't take away from the scene, it is just different in the way it is experienced.
Talking from experiences, since my dad has died of a heart attack on the streets right next to me. I was usured to the side, unknowing of what happened. A first aid responder came up to me, and i was told she probably needed to ask questions about my dad's stuff and history, only for the first thing out of her mouth to have been "He's dead." No explanation, not gloves, no epic fight against death from his side, he just fuxking died on the sidewalk while walking with me. I had just seen him talking and well a couple of minutes ago!... so i dont hate that this is what happened with sir Pentious. It feels more real and present than if the scene had followed the code for a character's typical death.
Would have liked to see his Death Ray fire, and then a bit of a DBZ style beam struggle with Adam using one finger before he uses two to vaporize Pentious or something. to make it a little more dramatic.
@Daggoth65 except that'd imply Adam struggled with Sir Pentious, whom btw, we know his inventions aren't so useful or working apparently. So it'd be anti-climatic to need Lucifer, or for Alastor to be put down like we saw him.
Succession did something similar. A major character dies off screen with no foreshadowing and everyone else has to scramble to cope. It's exactly how it works IRL.
PS Sorry about your Dad, that sounds so traumatic.
I think it's sort of like the Loki's show banishment. I mean exterminations as death is kind of dumb, considering all sinners are already...dead. The exterminations are likely just returning the sinners back to the kharmic cycle to try again. In this case, since Sir Pentious going against his grain , he ended up in heaven after extermination. But then again, this show is about glamourizing the demons and sinners. So who knows?
Oh... wow. I'm sorry for your loss
My current theory is both Lilith and Lucifer realized that without heaven's cooperation the only way to liberate hell would be to take-over. But that would mean evil taking over. Not wanting that, they agreed to let heaven do whatever they wanted as long as innocent hellborn were kept out of it. Lilith was taken to heaven to keep her in check, since her music is capable of persuading the souls of the sinners (Charlie's power), and Lucifer was forced to stay and protect Charlie, also to maintain a semblance of order in hell with his mere presence.
This is why Lilith takes Charlie away during "More than anything". Lucifer had to stop dreaming about saving souls from hell, and stop putting ideas in Charlies mind. But it was too late, Charlie did grew inspired by her father, and his account of the past still paints Lilith as a protector of her people.
There's still a chance Lilith is playing a long game, letting Charlie take charge while she still "makes good" for the deal she made with heaven. But for the last scene in the show, I kinda suspect she really just wanted to keep the deal going not expecing Charlie to get that far.
One things for sure, Season two is basically Charlie and her mother reconciling their relationship, since season one was about her reconciling with her father.
It was probably more of her mother not letting her see her father.
Charlie is obviously more powerful than Alastor, the difference is she isn't used to using it or practicing with it. You could see toward the end of the fight with Adam she was able to rustle up some intense strength that effortlessly overpowered Adam. It only happened in that one moment, but Charlie is not a fighter and not used to fighting. She spent half of this fight with a shield just blocking attacks and not retaliating at all.
Lucifer seems to be much the same way, he only punched Adam ONCE at the very start, to get him away from Charlie, the rest of the fight he just avoided him and didn't fight back at all until the very end when he hit the ground and Lucifer started beating the hell out of him. He was critical of Alastor and other demons as being mindless killers, so maybe he feels like violence is beneath him and only really uses it when has absolutely has to.
Charlie is straight up half Lucifier, presumably the most powerful or nearly the most powerful angel, and half Lilith, presumably the most powerful demon. In a lot of stories, nephilim are way more powerful than both of their respective halves combined, and she isn't just some random one, she's the one made out of the top tier power houses.
Charlie also has wings, though she strangely doesn't use them. I'm guessing they are angelic wings, like Lucifer, and perhaps she doesn't use them because of an aversion to angels (given the extermination) or the aversion to her father. But now that she has basically worked out her daddy issues and her girlfriend is an angel with wings, i'm going to guess Charlie will start using her angelic wings in season 2.
i am gonna guess the wings are tied to her power too. we won't see them until her full power manifests.
Charlie has 2 places where she can end up, stronger than a Seraphim or just under then, all reliant on if they fact she is half Seraphim makes her as powerful as a full one or not. Curious which of these they take. Either way she is easy stronger than any hell being/ spawn and human angel
@taddad2641 yeah, I can see them manifesting in much the way Vaggies grew back. Vaggie had to have confidence in her self AND the one she cared about. Charlie is half their, she cares about others but is only just learning to care about herself. Husk literally said all of this himself. Husk knows what it takes to get into heaven gave them the recipe which kinda makes him actually perfect at his job in the hotel lol. He even called Sir Pentious, dude needed friends, confidence, and bravery and he proved all of that in his sacrifice. Which probably means Nifty will NEVER see the pearly gates, but I do wanna know what he says about Cherry Bomb now.
Loved that Adam smiles when he saw Lute before he dies... It like hes happy theres someone beside him before he dies... Both of his wives left him but theres someone beside him one last time.
Dang it, I can't be the only person who was interested in seeing this dude explored. That smile cemented it for me, I feel like they could have done something interesting with him, especially beyond this dude bro stereotype.
Maybe it says a lot more about me that I look at guys like Adam and Mammon and just wanna dissect them instead of just killing them off, but either way, I personally hope he's not permadead.
@@whoasked3961 Did vivi says adam is one of her favorite charcter? plus, adam history looks simple, i think we gonna have more
Honestly I'm still Hoping for Lute to have Some Girlboss Corruption arc next season! letting her become the caliber of Azula in Hazbin Hotel Universe
@@whoasked3961 im willing to bet he will come back as a demon next season
@@arandomthingintheabyss2062 Yea i find it possible for him too be revived as a demon to start either a redemtion arc or maybe a emerging villian for season 2. But there's a lot that point against this though, but i would't mind if he was reincarnated as a sinner.
People doesn't talk about this so i think i'm the only one who teared up when Adam smile at Lute as he died. I feel like there is something between those two, i mean the look on Adam's face when he saw Lute and how Lute cry and scream Adam's name, i just thought there was a strong bond between them. Idk romantically or not, but there was a bond.
No one cares about the dickmaster he was trash ,but yeah as a villan he was good
That's the only one who didn't scorned him, that would make sense to me.
I hate the fact that I thought that Adam was so fucking cool and in the end he looked like a mix of Dream and Tomska.
AHAHAHAHAHA omg im never gonna unsee that 😂
Really interested about Lilith's situation. With the way Charlie described her, she definitely didn't seem like the person to just up and switch sides without a good reason. Only one I can think of is that she lost faith in Hell.
i think she has more in common with angel dust than we think
Or you know, she just doenst know everything about people because she can be lied too? I mean, from the perspective she had of lucifer you would think he was the worst person alive and it turns out he actually os very nice, love his daughter more than anything and probably just never felt like he deserved a relationship with her, specially if she always antagonized him like we see on ep5.
People need to learn a bit about literacy, the amount lf dumb shit i have seen people say in less than 24 hours is just worrying.
@@elskaalfhollr4743ARE U CALLING HER A HO
Lillith is probably a selfish person and a manipulator.
The entire story from Charlies picture book was probably told from her perspective. When Charlie says that her Dad only ever calls her cause he is bored or needs something... thats probably something Lillith told her. Because we know that isn't true. We see how nervous Lucifer is about talking to her. There is no way he would just call her up cause he is bored.
Also the Scene from Episode 5 where Charlie is a child. I didn't take it too literally but now I am pretty sure that she has been actively trying to isolate her from her Dad for a very long time and Alastor's behaviour in Episode 5 also makes a lot of sense when a central goal is to keep Lucifer and Charlie seperated.
Lillith likely struck 2 deals 7 years ago. One with Alastor for some reason the other with someone from Heaven and that deal allowed her to stay in heaven. When we see her she is just chilling and having a good time in heaven not a worry that her daughter was supposed to be exterminated that day.
@@wavemoon Either she knew Alastor would be there toprotect Charlie(and slightly overestimated him) or she has faith in Lucifer and Charlie they would win
or you right
I like the dichotomy of Emily and Sera at the end when Pentious got to heaven, the look on their faces of "Oh my GOD CHARLIE IS RIGHT!" was great
I like how in the final song it’s revealed that Alastor’s power is being constrained by his deal
Possibly, but not 100% confirmed. He's restricted, but how much of it is his decision making? His deal is a cage of sorts, but that could be his power, his ability to do as he wishes, or both.
Something that came to mind while watching your video is that everyone wondered about where lillith went, but where is eve? Eve was only mentioned in episode one and episode 8 and both in passing and in regard to lucifer offering her something that adam could never.
Another possibility is that Lillith was always tired of Hell when she was first banished so she made a deal with Adam to stage a fake uprising to convince Sera & the higher ups to approve the exterminations.
It would also be a more believable twist to the story at the beginning of episode since Lilith never really cared about other sinners and was only after her own feeedom & self interests
Lilith works better as a villain than a sympathetic protagonist ngl
This works, I just dont want another bad mom in vivziepop universe 😅
Then y does Charlie speak so high about her mother and generaly is a good person thx to her parents raising her?
@@theslayer5978 maybe she was brainwashed by lilith. Im pretty sure lilith will act like good person in front of Charlie.
@@theslayer5978 You might be surprised how many notorious serial killers were considerate and loving to their family. What I mean is how she treated her daughter may not be typical of her actions in general.
6:55 I honestly like that Pantious made it to heaven, because it suddenly explains in a very interesting and fun way Sera's perspective: no one knows how to get to heaven not because it is a well kept secret, but because _no one knows how to get to heaven. Not even her nor the angels._ The fact that it just happens and that is why Sera refuses to intervene characterizes her in a much more interesting way. She's not simply a liar keeping a broken system in check, but was actually entirely honest during the trial about her perspective. It does seem to me right now that "double-dying" in the hella-verse can lead you either to heaven or to a fate we do not know yet (could be just quite literally dying or just refreshing their judgment). But either way, it begs a lot of interesting questions. Will the hotel need to execute redeemed sinners? Is there some "double-hell" some go to (as Angel Dust jokes about in the pilot)? It's really interesting and opens up things for the show to explore in later seasons. And I wonder what they'll do with it.
Also, Lucifer being stronger then Charlie does actually make a lot of sense. Charlie isn't physically weak. She's just not used to fighting. You can see that the moment she stops saying "sorry" to all the angels she parries, she causes a huge spark. But she's just so used to solving things the friendly way that she can't hold on her own in a fight, and only kicks ass when she's helped by her father.
My theory is that there will be a quarter-revolution. Half of Heaven will go to Hell, half of Hell will go to Heaven, making a New Hell and a New Heaven.
Based on what you said, I have my own theory. What if the "hell" is really purgatory? Where you're stuck forever until you either die or change yourself. Sir Pentious changed himself completely in season 1, so when he got killed, he went to heaven. But other minor characters that died never reappear again (may be due to being insufficient to the story), just as if their souls died for good.
I think there are powers above her that she doesn't know how they work. Very much the whole "moves in mysterious ways" type thing.
Reminds me of the whole premise of Spiritfarer honestly.
My theory is that when you die a second time in the hazbin universe you face again the "judgement" to decide if they go to heaven or not, but since sinner demons can't respawn in hell (if they could they wouldn't fear the extermination) if they fail the "judgement" they are reborn in the human realm to see if in this new life their soul is having they can achieve going to heaven and if they suceed in achieving heaven as as sinner demon like Sir Pentious they just go to heaven, same goes for angels if they were bad people their soul will respawn in hell as a sinner demon but if they were really good they will be reborn in the human realm because they just can't respawn in heaven
Alastor longing for freedom is good because it gives him motivation outside of fun. But also Alastor thinks that Charlie can give him loophole that he needed.
Which means either Royal family of Hell(Charlie, Lucifer and Lilith) has say over deals OR Lilith is the one that holds the leash and Alastor tries to find a Loophole through bloodline.
Both is feasible but because there has never been a hellborne that born from dealmakers this method has never been tested. So it could be an attempt from Alastor's part .
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Lilith was gone for 7 years. She accidentally started the extermination process by singing songs and eventually leading to an uprising (accidental or no).
Alister is happy angels can die and we can deduce from his song at the end it’s bc someone with a connection to heaven is keeping him from being free. He was “gone for a while” (tho the time isn’t specified).
She was singing. He’s the radio demon. I wouldn’t be surprised if those two are directly connected
9:52 Adam: "You know WHO ELSE doesn't want to protect hell?"
I think Sir Pentious’s death is funny retroactively considering g Adam was so convinced that sinners couldn’t be redeemed, but ended up being the catalyst that proved Charlie right. I think that’s hilarious, just wish he lived long enough to realize what he did.
Sir Pentious's death mostly works for me. He stood almost zero chance, but he tried anyway, because sometimes victory or survival aren't the point of fighting.
I still think this season desperately needed more airtime to develop, but it was a helluva fun ride.
I think it was a huge mistake for Adam to be killed off so soon. This guy is like super important lore-wise and I really thought he'd be given more depth!
maybe him coming back as a sinner demon might be possible and they could do the redemption arc
I think they will bring him back but the way he got beat up by lucifer confused me. he's supposed to be overpowered, is it because he lacks technique like what alastor said and just relays on his raw power?
Carmilla makes sense she said she only did it to protect her kids and didn't want to bring them to her door
Also why is nobody questioning that Alastor said “Once I find out how to unclip my wings guess who will be pulling all the strings.”
If this quote is meant to imply that Alastor is secretly an angel, I don’t know how I feel about it and I would love to see a WELL-manufactured story behind it and not some cop out
@@LifeLoveLaughLiberty I personally believe it was more a figure of speech. When Alastor bleeds after he gets hit by Adam his blood is red, an angel's blood is gold so that leads me to believe that he is not an angel. "unclip my wings" seems to be a way to say he wants to figure out how to be free from his deal. I also think that in his backstory he was a serial killer on earth? That could be wrong but I thought I heard that somewhere.
My guess is that a more powerful Demon or Angel controls Alastor
@r0se_t3a or the Wings are a metaphor that means his deal forces him to do good/alturist deeds. So he wants to clip them allowing him to do all the evil suit he was able to in the past.
@elysainempire4628 that is an amazing theory I didn't even think about that
The Hazbin Hotel Finale in Season 1 is a real tearjerker especially with Sir Pentious' death, but at least he's in Heaven especially since he got redeemed. Also I was definitely shocked to see Lilith at the end of the episode. I wonder what she'll be like in Season 2.
Dazzle died and no one cares which’s just sad
@@the_jingofuck dazzle, razzle 🔛🔝
I felt so sad when I didn't notice their death
I laughed when he died cause I was not expecting that, but also expecting it, if that makes sense 😂
Plo twist:
Lilith and Alastor fight against Lucifer and Charlie, which opens a backdoor in Alastors deal with Lilith, since she probably told him to protect Charlie. Then he will maybe fuck up everything Charlie has fought for or he redeems himself, and also gets into heaven with the rest of hell, and everyone is happy, the system is fair and the hellborn are left alone and maybe get peace too.
8:06 my theory is the deal was more of a threat. Adam noticing that Hell wasn’t really getting worries and Lilith still inspiring sins and now teach her daughter to do the same got pissy. He threatened Lilith that if she didn’t stop He would go after Charlie and wipe out all of Hell. So Lilith begrudgingly agreed and went into a kinda off house arrest in Heaven to protect Hell and more importantly Charlie.
Did u notice sera n emily were just as shocked when they saw pentious which means they didnt permit him in. But he got in anyway
I've noticed and let's just say Emily is very happy about this.
@@rainbowtoyfunrandomess1982 yet sera is not. So question is how did he get in. Did someone higher pull strings or is pentious just that powerful
@@mrbushido56the angels don’t decide, no one decides. They just know when a soul arrives.
Lmaoo God just had enough of everyone's shit and pulled the strings
Fun thing is, if people die, they appear at the gates of heaven and get let in. Sir Pen appeared purposely in front of Sera and Emily. "Coincidence? I think not!"
Seeing adam's face was like being excited for a movie adaptation of your favorite series and finding out the main character is voiced by Chris Pratt
Chris Pratt wouldn't have died.
The face reveal was good, thought the mask was Adam's face since he never took it off like Lute did.
Chris Pratt as Adam
Tbh, I never really liked Vivzie's human character designs. The pilot to helluva boss looked really bad to me.
he shouldve never taken the mask off
Almost spit out my drink over this.
Carmine and Velvette begrudgingly joining the fight together would've been hilarious.
"Ah, look who finally came around. So, what changed your mind wrinkles?"
"Isn't it a school night? Your tv dad should be putting you to bed about now shouldn't he."
3:50 "Lucifer swoops in to save the day"
That's the sort of line you'd expect from talking about a JRPG lol.
Persona 5 be like:
I loved how Sir Pentious died, it was poetic.
His entire bit was coming in hot and ready, only to hilariously flop the plot.
The build up to him taking his airship out, only to be blipped out of existence in an instant was perfect.
I'm hoping for his machine to actually work in season 2!
HE WENT OUT LIKE A LEGEND, KISSING HIS CRUSH, AND THEN SACRIFICED HIMSELF BUT GETS ONE SHOTTED😢 JUSTICE FOR SIR PENTIOUS
Yeah Nifty putting the Finishing Blow to Adam was kinda predictable when Charlie gave her the Knife and her whole "80% Harmless" but was Still SATISFYING!!
I believe Adam went to hell after getting killed by nifty so he will eventually join the hotel to get redemption but he will disguise him self to do it
That would be interesting. The question then becomes will the disguise be convincing or not?
I think Alastor can't not smile. Even when he got severely hurt and almost died he's still smiling.
I wish sir pentious would have managed to at least throw Adam of balance for a second, buying them some time and then quickly be obliterated. It just felt like he didn't do anything.
The point was to show how powerful Adam is since pentious just couldn’t do anything against him especially since even Alastor couldn’t draw blood.
No one cares. He left like a Chad that is enough.
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Exactly though. Adam already beat Alastor, one of the most powerful overlords. We KNOW he's strong as hell.
You didn't need to kill Sir Pentious's one big moment where he could finally have a chance to prove himself, which is all he's ever wanted.
They could have at least had his sacifice save someone from Adam if nothing else instead of achieving literally nothing.
YES! ND IT WAS HILARIOUS!! no clishe heroism , bro just evaporated i loved it
@@andrewt329 He risked his life even though he knew he would die. The point was to truly show that Adam isn’t pulling any punches as the main antagonist for the season since Alastor lived and killing a main character with a finger is a great way to.
0:54 Her priority is to protect her family, being away from her family during the purge would naturally be counter-intuitive to this. If the main crew fell but she survived, she wouldn't have time to make it back before the angels because the angels can fly and as far as we know, in spite of her bat-like design, she can't. She only even agreed to help because having people on the front lines would help the odds of her family surviving.
Another detail that is easy to overlook is that its heavily implied that Vox has an... interst in Nifty now. She killed the first man, adam, the tomrentor of hell. That, ise extremely valuable. He probably wants to recruit her to the Vs simply for that........ and she may be extremely vulnerable to suggestions by him.
also i am gonna say that the power of the redemption and the act, The Ulktimate sacrafice, might have ursurped the power of the angelic power he used.
Weee also don't know waht the weapons actually do. It seems implied that they 'kill the souls'. But far as we know that isn't what they really do. FAct they can be used on angels and demons alike especially.
A possible hting they do is less' kill' and more 'untether' the victim. No longer attached to their body or even heaven or hell, and end up drifting in the void.
He likely won't be able to do that bc Alastor owns her.
Poor sir pentious im glad he got redeemed
Edit: 154 is wild yall
Adam’s face reveal had me like, “That’s Adam? The First Man? He’s just a random dude; he’s not special.”
Sir Pentious is now in Heaven! I’m so happy! I hope we still see him in Season 2 even though he’s now separated from the rest of the main cast.
Also I’m starting to believe Alastor doesn’t have a deal with Lilith. I think it’s with someone worse.
Probably Roo
What intrigued me was that he mentioned "once I know how to unclip my wings". As if he used to have wings, angelic wings. Wtf?
@@ambregille549husk has wings too and he ain’t no angel, it’s probably more of a metaphor to say he can’t « fly on his own » and is restricted
Well that’s Adam, he’s a man, the first one but only a man
My money's on eve, the FIRST sinner.
Lucifer said that Adam's first wife didn't mind what he was offering... nor the second. I have so many questions about that now.
Lilith ran off with Lucifer.
Eve took the apple.
ngl, the Vs watching it all was one of my favorite parts, that episode was what cemented Vox as my favorite charscter
Lilith just confuses me now. So she doesn't care about hell and it's people anymore and just wanna live a selfish boss queen life in heaven or something? Unless there is something we don't know yet, I really dislike her now. She just left her daughter! It will suck for Charlie if he own mother goes against her. Man... I want answers!
umm, i dont envy her, whatever deal made with a dude naming himself dickmaster has to be true torture
i think that lillith made some a deal with Adam that allowed the exterminations and she would get to live in heaven and she never cared about hell in the first place.
Huh, you mean Lilith was being selfish and not this wonderful person? Shock...
People don't go to hell, because they are good. Charlie is the exception, and in some way a break of the rule, because she never actually died. She born in hell. Which means, that she never passed judgement, and if she were killed she might end up in heaven. I think, that Lilith figured out the angelic weapons in the past, and lead a full on uprising against heaven. Not with the goal of self defense, but the idea of destroying it. Adam knew, that he cannot win conventionally so he offered to give anything Lilith want, if she stops the uprising. And Lilith's demand was a place in heaven. Now however the same risk occured. As demons found a way to fight the angels, and from there it is only one step to find a way to reach heaven, and if that happens, then they are toast.
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She was born in hell.
I seriously hope we see Adam again, he was easily the second most entertaining character
i mean yeah i want to know more of the story from his perspective too, i feel like we got no time to know the characters before killing them.
I get that he was arrogant, but i think he was, mostly following orders the whole time. There has to some reason why Lute cared and respected him to much.
2:55 I actually think it’s perfect because it shows how little Adam cares and the extent of his power
4:52 I long how the scene is gray 😭
I do wish Sir Pentious' death beam was fired and Adam countered it with his holy light, a bit of a beam struggle with Adam quickly overtaken and wiping the ship out instead of what we got. Give him a bit of respect for his sacrifice and show what his gadgets was capable of one final time.
I think they killed Adam to early and I would think that Sera would've saved him, since she probably helped in creating him. Adam does have a point, he was the first human to bring all of humanity to the world and it's not like he is responsible for the sinners being in hell in the first place. While he is an arrogant jerk he did seem to care for Lote and he was probably told by the angels that he was special and flawless, giving him that huge ego boost. Would've been more interesting to see his side of the story, what happened in Eden to have made him so blood thirsty. All we know is that Lucifer took his first wife than corrupted his second wife with the forbidden fruit. I would've liked to know if at one point he was a decent guy, who was just a bit arrogant then becoming bitter and more selfish over what happened with Lucifer.
With the reaction of Lute, its clear that Adam is much more that a Jerk.
lemme pose the question, why does"dickmaster" need a battalion of scantly clad ladies?
@@natsumenukunuku Lute was crying when Adam was dying, she obviously cared. Also, for a guy who makes sexist jokes about women to call Lute a boss and praised her about her kill count seemed like he respected her alot and why Lute was his 2nd in command. I think Lute was the only one who actually cared about him, that's why he even smiled at Lute before he died. Yes, he was a jerk to her too sometimes, but that's his jerky personality and I don't think he meant it personally. I knew he was gonna die, but so early seems like a rush for the show.
I like the theory someone had that if Sir Pentiuous could die while redeemed and come back in heaven, it may be possible that Adam comes back in hell. That would be really fun to see him as a demon.
@@PieMan061 adam going to hell is much better revenge then him just dying into non-existence think about it, adam has never been punished in anyway for is thousands of years of sins and killing, and going to hell and having to eat his words by staying at the hazbin hotel and having to try to change would be much better then him just being gone for ever.
5:54 why do I feel like this has something to do with his voice effect breaking for a few seconds? If anything it’s a LOSS of free will and power- I think that the effect is something he actually has to do *physically* and, hell- maybe he rigged his microphone to do it for him and that’s why it broke when he was caught off guard- honestly idk
My take is because Lilith thrived in hell she was the buggest risk to heaven. She was close to overthrowing heaven because she was inciting all of the sinners with her songs. Heaven got worried, and she made a deal with Adam for the extermination/culling as well as being a hostage so all of hell wouldn't be destroyed.
I also think Adams plan to kill everyone was never shared with lilith.
The whole beach thing seems more like a possible gilded prison than a vacation. She loved hell supposedly.
Would love if you are right but zhere must be some valuable exchange for cause otherwise Lute eouldnt threaten her with kicking her out
or at minimum she made a dael with adam to get into heaven, in order to do things in heaven to prepare for fucked up shit.
i do legitiamtely think she is the villain of the series but he internsions are for hell. and hell alone.... and charlie may come into conflict cause she doesn't want to destroy heaven just so hell can thrive.
What if the writers' long game with Sir Pentious is that his ascension to heaven proves sinner souls can be redeemed and that the boundaries between the two afterlives is much more vague than either side expected? Sir Pentious' journey could end with a heartwarming note where he decides his own destiny; heaven's golden cityscapes are immaculate but he found his family in hell and returns to the basement floor after filing a request with Sera (or after stealing an apple from a shop xD). it would make Charlie feel validated and still allow the crew to decide they want to make a little happy place in hell so nobody goes to heaven. maybe heaven is the friends we made along the way?
your review was amazingly insightful!
also i know what kind of character they could add to serve as a groundholder for hell to "improve" it
I liked Sir Pentious' death because he wasn't all that bright and that isn't going to change just because he is redeemed. Also, Sir Pentious' redemption is needed because 1. otherwise Hazbin Hotel would be pretty much have the same theme as Paradise Lost but adding redemption into it makes it more original. 2. Because Emily needs to have more character building because she is such a great character I want to see more of and maybe have her own musical number (I also want to see Niffty have her own musical number but I am not sure how that would be pulled off)
1:12 My favorite sir pentious just dressed like a soldier from way back when-
NOOOO SIR PENTIOUS NOOOOO 😭
He’s one of my favorites…
We will never forget you…
I think at times Addam was the Hero the show needed. As with a lot of moddern shows after a while you feel more invested in the villians then the over plot armoured main cast. And that the villians have more skin in the game.
Adam had his mask on for longer than masterchief in the halo tv series
Adam ate with it 😂
I really hate that this season didn’t get the amount of episodes that it deserved. And I know it was out of the teams hands but really left some scenes to fall flat. The scene where Vaggie was learning to fight for love wasn’t in character for Vaggie at this time. We should’ve had some scenes where Vaggie was fighting like Carmilla said. And the Sir Pentious scene and his death is in character but has no weight. The thing that the writers failed to do is give you characters where you’d be sad to see die. We never got to learn about the main cast and get that emotional weight. As a writer, I know in a limited amount of time it’s going to be hard to do that. Though there are some scenes where we could get those, even where’d Vaggie got her wings could’ve had more weight if they’d put it where she gave mercy to Lute. I think the writers are just looking at the plot points and the action but not much of the character’s personality and flaws that can go with the plot points.
Nifty taking adam out truly did not see that happening put it was set up perfectly 😂
Here is the thing. In terms of raw power Charlie definitely has way more than Alastor. She was able to actually hurt Adam while Alastor mainly dodged his attacks and the attacks he did land not doing any visible or lasting damage. Sure you can argue that was mostly because of her trident but later on When Adam was trying to attack her and Lucifer she was able to block a full power attack from Adam with no effort even surprising Adam himself and as a reminder a single punch from him broke Alastors barrier and even Alastor could not block his attacks. These two feats alone I would argue put her raw power above Alastor but she is lacking both in terms of skill and mastery of her power as it seems like she did both those things on accident and she seems to genuinly not want to hurt anyone even choosing to spare Adam so she is still holding back.
it was not no effort and Lucifer had already beaten Adam up
@@emmanuelotiki1555 This happened before Lucifer beat Adam up.
@@emmanuelotiki1555before that she speared Adam twice then before the beat down she caught his attack and slammed him
Adam beating Alastor was an obvious conclusion because Alastor didn’t have any way to damage let alone kill him without an angelic weapon. If anything Alastor was dominating the fight and only got overwhelmed near the end, he had multiple opportunities to kill Adam if he was actually able to damage him. What I am trying to say is that Alastor was extremely impressive considering he was fighting against someone he couldn’t do ANYTHING against no matter what he did.The only reason Charlie damaged Adam is because she caught him completely off guard. Her trident is also probably a gift from Lucifer as it has an apple on it so it is arguably not even part of her own arsenal. And while she did stop Adam’s punch Alastors barrier did the same despite being destroyed. Not to mention Adam was still weakened from all the fighting when she stopped his punch and In an actual fight against Adam she was instantly defeated. She definitely has potential to surpass Alastor but as it stands she can not beat him right now.
Pay attention on green thread holding Alastor's grin. It's like a chain... You know, maybe Lilith isn't in deal. It's about voodoo deal.
Really hope to se Adam again, that his last look on Lute make me feel a bit sad for him, if Sir Pentious got into heaven then maybe he will retrun in demon form? Lute is still around and will seek revenge so seeing Adam in demon form could be a nice plot twist.
Agreed. I hope they reunite.
I just realized that the only main characters that died were both played by Alex Brightman
Then there was Pugsley from Dead End
@@Nutmeg-vt8bg omg
I can't believe Season 1 of Hazbin Hotel is over
This season was a roller coaster for me, there were ups and downs, parts could have been different like the camera movement in certain scenes.
But I had so much fun watching the series! I love the hellavers so much, and the series was so much fun, really emotional and of course visually beautiful!
I'm so happy for viv and everyone who worked on this season, and for us the fans!
Also, notice that the exorcists have horns as a part of their uniform. Maybe that’s Lilith’s influence somehow.
I think the Lilith's deal with Adam was that she serve as his wife again, and her daughter (and Charlie's hotel etc.) would be safe from exterminations (I might be wrong and that Lucifer got this prerogative)
adam truly makes me puke
Would make a lot of sense when you think about it.
I felt the same, but when Lucifer was toying with him, Adam 110% would've thrown that in his face
@@bethanywyant2259fr adam didn’t mention it to Lucifer, I would have said “that’s why your wife is in heaven” but Adam didn’t say that, but I guess he was so focused
Vaggie should have cut off Lute's wings.
You didn't understand the message of Carmilla. She has to fight not for revenge but for love, to protect, not to attack. That's exactly what she's doing there. Taking Lute's wings would be easier for Lute, because Lute can understand that, but she doesnt understand mercy or kindness. And she won't be taught by being talked to in the language of violence.
Eh, she’s already short an arm (and a friend).
3:18
AN EGG BOI SURVIVED!!!!!
WAIT WHA-
I'm curious what that "favor" from Charlie to Alastor will be 🤔
With how creepy he was being, I don’t wanna find I’d. I will be 100% okay if it never gets brought up again.
if lilith actually does own alastor's soul he might ask her to convince her mother to let him go
Might be an evil AF version of "Jafar Plan B". Purely political marriage for the purpose of obtaining power as the Prince of Hell and getting his father-in-law to step in and nullify his contract. As PoH, Alastor would be empowered against reprisals from the Vs, and since it would be a union in name only, he would be entirely amenable to Charlie continuing her loving relationship with Vaggie, which could also have the effect of mollifying Lucifer and avoiding his wrath.
Alastors ultimate goal is freedom so he will either use his favor to ask charlie for help against her mom
Or we know Lillith's given goal will be to stop her daughter. So maybe Lillith offers Alastor freedom in exchange for using his favor in a way that would pit Charlie against Lucifer since Episode 8 made it clear that as long as Lucifer is on Charlies side she is kind of untouchable.
Helping him out of his deal most likely. He clarified it can't hurt anyone, so Charlie will probably make some kind of loophole or something to the deal he made.
Its official now! Sir Pentious is canonically hot!
Didnt he fuck an entire bar? Pentious is the absolute Rizzmaster
He has 2 dingles, apparently
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IRL Snakes and sharks do have 2 you know whats.
It seems like the holy light that Adam used on pencious only perish the ones who are still evil and it spares and cleans the ones who did enough to diserve redemption. It's like love helped his soul to remain unharmed by the light while it cleans him from hell's dirt and darkness.
Man, this is the best episode so far!!!
Fr omg 😭
I think the quick, non-epic, unequal death of Pentious was needed. The absolute contrast was just what needed to make Charlie snap, and the thought of finally starting to see PERMANENT loss of all that she worked for did it just right.
And it wasn't in vain, it turned things in their favour, as Adam and Lute were the only foes that were actually relevant to take down.
5:30 is that angel’s brother 😳
Yes
Would be cool if the reason why Adam smileing was because he knew that he would be sent back to the Garden of Eden, which we could see in the future if Adam returns because of that
People are really unfair regarding Adam's appearance, he's hot.
And thanks for using his actual unhurt (mostly) appearance on the thumbnail, it's the best one, and simply his normal one considering it's without wounds screwing his look.
The only beef I have is his poorly written “jock” mind set. Adam was literally given domain over man and beast. Paradise is not the same as modern era crap. Paradise was paradise. Lilith and eve were created to be a subservient companion for Adam not to be lonely.
Vizzie just picks and chooses what she wants to make Christianity look bad.
@@zerotodona1495It’s a fictional show lmao. I don’t think Viv wants Christianity to look bad.
@@zerotodona1495 She isn’t making Christianity look bad, Christians are. Most fiction about conflicts between Heaven and Hell are actually about people who consider themselves holy vs the people they consider sinners, and if you didn’t get that from Episode 6 you might not ever understand it.
The reason Adam is how he is, is that he represents a particular kind of self-righteous cruelty; he’s a guy who’s been nursing a grudge since forever, refusing to forgive because holding the grudge allows him, in his mind, to be as nasty and hateful to all the sinners and demons, since despite not being the ones who wronged him, they’re on the “other side” eg Lucifer’s side, and thus he feels justified as treating them all as extensions of Lucifer.
That’s a very real type of person, it’s good characterization. This show isn’t being presented as a new religious canon that people ought to replace the Bible with and take as literal inspired Word of God. It’s a funny, unserious yet insightful cartoon about the problems that arise when Christians, especially very public-facing Christians, fail to DO the same as they SAY others should do.
Listen to You Didn’t Know a few more times and uhhh pray on it maybe?
@@zerotodona1495 Adam was a spoiled child shown no real love. Subservience isn't love. It's dominion. Adam was basically told "Here, you are now alive, have all these things." Born as an adult, yet no life experience. Given a wife who is literally created to basically be his slave. That would mess with anyone's mind.
The show also doesn't follow Genesis to a T at all. it takes inspiration from a lot of iterations of the bible and mythological background regarding it. Like biblically accurate angels, which most people never do.
Genesis as written in the bible alone brings more questions than answers and looks like pure cruelty because it was all fate driven, not free-will driven. Can't tell someone to not sin if they don't even know what sin is and if Adam and Eve didn't even have free-will, then how could they have known or even have the power to disobey a direct order from God? The apple gave knowledge of good and evil. You can't commit evil if you don't even know what it is. And the second they knew, they were tainted.
Why was the apple there to begin with? Did god intend that to happen? Why punish all of the progeny from Adam and Eve if the sins of the father and mother can't be passed on to the child? Or was that just retconning later to seem less harsh? A Omnipotent and omniscient God means they'd absolutely have known Adam and Eve would eat the apple, which also actually destroys the concept of free-will too. Plus, why was a snake there to even tempt them? It was about as intelligent as telling a 2 year old just barely knowing enough to converse that they shouldn't touch the hot oven, because it's hot, when they have no concept yet of what hot means or what pain is from it. They're going to touch it. If anything, bringing attention to that would guarantee it, which is what happened with the fruit. "Don't eat this" - "Nom" just like children, which is what Adam and Eve basically were. They had no knowledge of hardship, pain or loss. They didn't understand it as a concept, nor what disobeying meant, yet Genesis acts like they do and disobeyed on purpose because they like misery? Can't have your cake and eat it too, it's a paradox. Either they did know, which means the fruit was just a symbol of it and they knew good from evil already and god was just testing them (why?) or they had no way of knowing and couldn't be at fault. Also, the punishment to Lucifer vs Adam and Eve is massively disproportionate. It's like blaming the addict instead of the dealer. Someone tempting you is worse than giving into it. They start the problem. Though, it's also like letting dealers live and not even putting rules for them to stay away or putting them in jail, then getting made at the addicts for being addicts. It makes no sense.
It's a weird story with a of plot holes. It baffles me that people don't scrutinize it more when reading it. Makes for a very interesting mythology though.
But as far as a belief system goes, the bible alone makes itself look bad. My all time favorite example is the story of Job (No matter if it's in the Christian or the Jewish context, both show God in a bad light.). Wives and daughters are totally replaceable so long as they're hotter! Or, I need to test your loyalty (even though I'm all powerful and absolutely don't need it and it's weird to want to be worshipped from the get go) because you probably only like me when things go well, so let me mess up your entire life, take away everything you love to test this.
Also, in the Christian and not the Jewish view, God is petty enough to actually make a wager with the devil, only for him to get you to torture your favored humans on earth. Didn't know a guy with omniscience and omnipotence couldn't see that that was the goal a mile away. Another cake and eat it too scenario with that declaration of seeing and knowing all.
Don't even need fringe zealots to do that. Same goes for a lot of religions if you actually read the text, which is why I brought up both Jewish and Christian interpretation of the story of Job. So much of it is great fodder for grand horror stories, honestly.
I also think Adam looked pretty attractive. He looks approachable, but handsome. Fits with the rest of heaven too, since it's cannon that everyone there is hot/attractive in some way. However, since we're the viewers, we have different tastes and likes.
I think we might be able to rule out Lilith owning Alastor’s soul if she’s in Heaven. Personally I think it might be Caine who owns his soul since Caine is probably one of the oldest and most powerful sinners if he’s still around plus being the son of Adam and Eve I can see why he would want Adam double dead.
The issue with that is (if they're going by true biblical standards in this case) Caine still walks the Earth. He was cursed to never die
I'm pretty sure it's Eve who owns Alastor's soul
@@CATmetchu that’s also a possibility since she’s the first sinner but if Caine is indeed in hell we probably would at least see him in the company of Eve since she is his mother.
@@fellowsoliderofchrist2263 I've heard someone speculate that Eve is Roo and she holds a grudge against heaven and hell and maybe even earth too.
She hates heaven for only allowing Adam to ascend and obviously holds a grudge against him too for kinda forgetting about her, despite the fact that she was the one who "obeyed" him, did everything for him like she was created to do. She even wanted to share the apple with Adam, so it's pretty understandable why she wants him and heaven dead.
She hates hell, specifically Lucifer, for ruining her life in Eden even if he initially meant well. And what would be a better revenge than to infiltrate the Hazbin Hotel with Alastor and ruin his family from the inside out. Eve/Roo is probably pretty miffed about the fact that Lucifer got to have a happy family while she wasn't able to.
You might be wondering where Eve was hiding all this time if not in hell where Lucifer would know of her whereabouts. Maybe she created her own little "dimension" that is interconnected with hell, maybe like the purgatory (?). Since maybe before she was sentenced, hell hasn't been created yet, making her the first sinner officially, since Adam was taken in by heaven.
@@CATmetchuEve cheated on Adam with Lucifer she is not owed anything
bro this episode made me go from alastar being my fav character to lucifer, im so ready to see more of him
I think it was brilliant, realistic, and an appropriate subversion of tropes that Sir Pentious died the way he did
personally, only in the last episode the quick overall pacing of the show really got to me. Aside from that, i really enjoyed those last two episodes, especially with the reprises of more than anything and happy day in hell!
ALSO, rosie is more sympathetic than i ever imagined, i was so happy with the screentime she got!!
Adam is going to return in season 2 because 1. His character arc doesn’t seem over 2. He could reincarnate/regenerate in hell like sir pensige got redeemed to heaven and we can see how Adam reacts in hell3. We still didn’t see how Adam, Lilith, and Eve will interact with each other
4. Maybe Adam will go to the hazbin hotel to try to get back to heaven and we can see how he interacts with the main cast
5. Maybe Adam and Alastor make a deal
This is just a theory, a film theory
a film theory, and cut
@@elskaalfhollr4743 thanks i am sad now
it does seem likely to me for adam to reform in hell, given that the snake guy reformed in heaven
@dragonnight13pro you forguet the most important
6. He is the best, he rocks!
At the end of episode 8 (the Lilith reveal) you can hear a little flute riff. That flute tune is the same as Alastor's motif that plays throughout the show, most predominantly in the pilot and episode 7-8.
It's interesting to see how different characters in the show have their own motivations and beliefs when it comes to heaven and hell. It adds depth to their interactions and makes for compelling storytelling.
Adam looks much more complex than "the idiot antagonist macho way", I mean, 1º the "background story" that we know is only from the perspective of lilith and can be a lie, 2º even Adam being a Jerk Lute and the others exorcists looks like respect him as a good leader/warrior, and how Lute react with his "death" its clear that or they were big friends or a couple, so its clear that Adam is much more, and Behind that facade of an idiot who talks nonsense there is someone much more serious, probably partly a victim of circumstances and who plays a much bigger role in all this than it might seem. Now that Lilith looks like a "the bad guy" in this, maybe she was manipulating Adam or something like that. And what about Eva?. Dont knoe I only know that Adam was a great character and I love Lute.
I hope Adam comes back as a sinner and we can have a cool redemption arc for him.
Adam and Lutes relationship is honestly one of my favorite things. There is a picture I saw, where Adam had a McDonalds kids meal and lute is screaming at the employee that Adam didn't want pickles and it kinda sums up their relationship.
Adam was spoiled and Lute was an enabler for him, but it's almost endearing and cute.
Lute and Adam were ride or die, and even though they are villains I think many of us can't help but find their relationship endearing. It really seems like they had a deep connection and caring for each other, which is something rare and beautiful.
I just wish we could have seen them redeemed, where they could be ride or die but in a healthier way.
Maybe it's my toxic trait but I loved Adam and Lutes relationship. They were always hyping each other up, working together.
When Adam is dying he gives Lute one final smile, like, "thank you Lute, for being there for me". 😭😭😭😭😭
@@hhjhj393 I agree. I think the smile he gave to lute said so much despite being a small moment. I hope to see him again. I loved their relationship
@@hhjhj393 este es el adam mas tragico que pude ver. Y ahora odio a lucifer ya que origino todo esto, y gano.
My guess we end up learning more abuot him post mortem via lute.
Think at minimum ADam either was broken inherently, a defective prototype, or that he degenerated over time, a mixture of arrogance and a lack of self worth. Was his beahvior that drove people away..... OORRRR got him killed the first time.
I legitiamtely think that they did a bit of a reverse on the 'first murder' thing. Made it eve the killer and adam the victim. AFter eating the fruit all the abuses she suffered cause her to snap and murder him in a rage... maybe in a somewaht similar way that Nifty did.
Deep down he knew that he didn't DESERVE heaven, deep down he knew he brought his own death. but all he did was double down on his negative traits, again and again and again.
he was the first man but he never had the chance to grow into one. His smile was that at least he wasn't alone.