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Komentáře • 182

  • @teddyboar323
    @teddyboar323 Před 28 dny +77

    Great OOF Loriaca is so bad she's not even on the list :D

    • @edwardmcgarthwaite7771
      @edwardmcgarthwaite7771 Před 28 dny +7

      And nothing of value was lost

    • @apex6123
      @apex6123 Před 28 dny +7

      😂 i pulled her from a primal i was pissed.

    • @mattdavis5850
      @mattdavis5850 Před 28 dny +4

      I did Loriaca hoping she will eventually get buffed and maybe be solid. still waiting on that.

    • @apex6123
      @apex6123 Před 28 dny +2

      @@mattdavis5850 i hope so. She is more disappointing then Armiger an UNCOMMON.
      Even sister Militant in a stun set can have more use (with ally attacks).

    • @carlbirchall6869
      @carlbirchall6869 Před 28 dny

      I think even Plarium have forgot she exists tbh!

  • @solstickanrsl
    @solstickanrsl Před 28 dny +10

    I think the biggest possible hype for a fusion would be a once off General fragments fusion. You collect 100 general fragments that could be used for any fusion. Plarium can do this fusion way harder and it would still be hype af

    • @Burnt__Toast23
      @Burnt__Toast23 Před 28 dny +3

      They can easy make a fusion pool to choose from. Since they love doing champ pools now anyways

  • @andrewgrow5711
    @andrewgrow5711 Před 28 dny +12

    gnishak i think would be big hype personally
    best bomb dealer, does things nobody else can do, and i wanna try him with mithrala
    interesting video
    totally think they could do fusion reruns and the community would get behind it

  • @Renesh11
    @Renesh11 Před 28 dny +22

    I think emic is the single best fusion from an overall perspective. People dont understand that with emic and a nia or 2 pks you can do almost all the content in the game

    • @MrNarcus
      @MrNarcus Před 28 dny +1

      Yeah.. I'm definitely bummed I didn't stay on top of his fusion.

    • @TheDrewWeezy
      @TheDrewWeezy Před 28 dny +2

      I got Emic in 5 accounts and I don’t use him in any, imma build him out now lol

    • @alibalogun4646
      @alibalogun4646 Před 28 dny +2

      Yeah, I totally agree. arena, hydra really good there as well as all dungeons

    • @paizon2231
      @paizon2231 Před 28 dny +1

      Agree Emic is good, but Rotos is even better

    • @choikkan7734
      @choikkan7734 Před 28 dny +1

      Rotos gnut and the pirate Guy are better

  • @Ni-qc6yq
    @Ni-qc6yq Před 28 dny +12

    Would be an interesting concept. Plarium could do a "vote" for the most desired rerun fusion side events alongside new stuff.

  • @Ni-qc6yq
    @Ni-qc6yq Před 28 dny +6

    Plarium could also do concurrent events involving community voted epics too. Fusion or event shard collecting. Imagine opportunities for people to get a geomancer, shamael, seer, or others. Behind all this would be a drive to boost spending on packs.

  • @FreekPhil
    @FreekPhil Před 28 dny +4

    You learn something new everyday .I didnt know , Hurndig, Maulie, Brogni, moss-beard ,tatura Rimhide, or yoshi the drunkard Were Fusions and i got all of them 🤯

  • @RafaelMazzuca
    @RafaelMazzuca Před 28 dny +5

    Gaius is great , I use him alot back when his was release , bombs realy need to be exclude from sheep debuff list , bombs is a nice counter for stall meta , but since polymorphism become part of this meta bombs become unreliable. Just make bombs not trigger sheep that stall stone skin will have some form of counter again

  • @bobloblaw3415
    @bobloblaw3415 Před 28 dny +2

    Rerun fusions are a great idea. Even better if they did it somewhat like the progressive chance events and offered say 3 or 4 options per rerun-you'd do all the rerun fusion events and then pick the champ that best suits your roster needs.

  • @CGAPU
    @CGAPU Před 28 dny +2

    Rotos and Brogni are two fusions I didn't have the chance to get, that I'd like to have.

  • @QuestioningStuff
    @QuestioningStuff Před 28 dny +1

    I have found Nari to be useful in Hydra, 100% AoE Provoke/Decrease Accuracy/Decrease Resistance plus an A1 buff steal and another buff steal on the passive, lots of ways to make that kit work well.

  • @frickxnas
    @frickxnas Před 28 dny +3

    Tormin should be big hype. Huge in arena and sintranos and doom tower. Especially now that i got gismak they bring havoc in arena

  • @ariffbudimanhamzah3042
    @ariffbudimanhamzah3042 Před 28 dny +1

    Hopefully Plarium could consider fusion rerun but with a choice. I.e. Armanz, Eostrid and Ankora, one fusion with 3 choice for player to fuse at the end.

  • @Doubledigits_
    @Doubledigits_ Před 28 dny +1

    The main reason i’d like rerun fusions is Highmother Maud. If i just keep completing every fusion, i’ll never get her. So reruns for example would be a good alternative where you could still do it, but for Maud fragments for example. Since you would know for sure from them being in the game longer whether you had them, didn’t have but knew you could skip or it was a must have you missed earlier.

  • @wraithofkah5487
    @wraithofkah5487 Před 25 dny

    I honestly like the idea of doing re-run fusions. 1) Gives players a chance to get that fusion they missed or a dupe theyd like. 2) It would free Plarium up to focus more on the new fusions they plan to drop. 3) Allows players to be able to breath instead of feeling like they are constantly doing fusions. 4) If would also free up Plarium to focus on rebalancing champs in larger numbers as well.

  • @KFitzgeraldcharles
    @KFitzgeraldcharles Před 28 dny +9

    Gnut or Emik I would 110% do a fusion for because I was still sorting out my ClanBoss at the time of them fusions and I'm gutted I missed either one of them

  • @SaphonDamocles
    @SaphonDamocles Před 28 dny +2

    I think you're underrating Islin, he's a beast. Great for hydra, some healing, mischief tank, provoke. If you've ever faced him in arena, he's almost impossible to kill

  • @Afbear55
    @Afbear55 Před 15 dny

    I would love to see an event where you could pick your fusion champion from a pool of previous fusions. Maybe have it once a year or every few months. There’s a bunch of previous fusions I would love to get my hands on and would get me more excited to do a fusion for a champ I know I want and know what they’re capable of.

  • @phillipvanwasshenova6143

    I like the idea of repeat fusions as long as they don't take place of new fusions. Something like they did with Tormin would be fine. A Rotos and a 2nd Helicath would be nice!

  • @James-ou4lo
    @James-ou4lo Před 28 dny

    I remember the one time they had a couple events where you could earn fragments for past fragment fusion champs. I wish they'd do that again, but since they released that Sacred Order champ you can trade in fragments for, they'll probably never do it. :(

  • @juliepage4382
    @juliepage4382 Před 28 dny

    I did the Gnut fusion and he is a strong champion on my account. Armanz is also hanging in my teams, but not performing extraordinary yet, needs better gearing and books on the account. Both these fusions "made" me break my FTP status...although only low spend. Spending total in 18 + months has been a total of $182 CDN, Gnut and Armanz being the only reason I spent a little money. I am doing Wixwell, but this time he will be "free", as I have saved up hard in game to do this!! At the moment my vow is not to spend another cent on this game, (fact Canada no longer has pennies in it's currency) and prep for a future fusion. My guess is, one fusion a year for the account. I am happy to report I pulled Brogni very early in this adventure and he has carried my account, even to this day. Maulie also was pulled (during the Gnut fusion!). Walking has also been pulled but that's it folks for any of the others.

  • @archam777
    @archam777 Před 28 dny

    27:58 I use Zinoger in 3v3 Gold arena vs UDK teams. With 5star Arbiter, Armanz, and Mikage, she absolutely tears it up.
    My favorite fusion so far this year.........not "the best" fusion whatsoever, but still my personal favorite. She holds a special place in my heart having finally gotten to & held Gold TTA arena since I put her in my speed team.

  • @VikingsNeverDie
    @VikingsNeverDie Před 28 dny +2

    Having started playing only 3 months ago, didnt know that so many good champions came from fusions. Please Plarium, bring back Gnut, Emic, Hellicat and Rotos.

  • @bigpops74
    @bigpops74 Před 28 dny +1

    They should do a choice. New fusion, or repeat X fusion. Same events, except frags/fusion champion changes depending on your choice. Probably the only way I'll ever get a Rotos.

  • @sawyerbrown8891
    @sawyerbrown8891 Před 25 dny

    i think redo fusions would be a great to do as a titan event every once and a while. Even though i do all fusions, it would be great to have a faction guardian of the good ones!

  • @andrewdingler9053
    @andrewdingler9053 Před 28 dny

    Loving the Bronko shout-out. Emic unlocked Hydra for me.

  • @raoulmensink3893
    @raoulmensink3893 Před 27 dny

    I pulled opadin couldn't be happier with a pull, I have more lego's in the vault than i have build so idk if thats just me but I think he's undervalued for a lot of players.
    He's great and I wouldn't mind another one to specialize his builds for different content or +1 the one I have.

  • @Spacewizzard090
    @Spacewizzard090 Před 25 dny

    Personally I think Iron Brago is one of the most slept on top tier hydra champs in the game. Perfect partner to Harima or Michinaki, or just a great champ to help toughen the team up and a good back up provoker and attack down. Overall pretty great, imo

  • @ibnjones6605
    @ibnjones6605 Před 28 dny

    Last week I met a woman named Eostrid from Norway and a week before I met a man named Cillian (Killian) from Ireland. Work at the Airport.

  • @ericpeirce5598
    @ericpeirce5598 Před 28 dny

    Now that they have added the Epic Empowerment, I hope they start doing Epic fragment fusions more often. I think two a year for newer players would be good and give other players a chance to relax during an easier event

  • @xxlegend420xx4
    @xxlegend420xx4 Před 27 dny

    The only events I actually do are fusions. You get all the rewards for the tournaments and events plus a free legendary at the end. For essentially playing the game.

  • @markedie4661
    @markedie4661 Před 28 dny +1

    most players would pick up every single one to fill out faction guardians

  • @B-Gus-xs9us
    @B-Gus-xs9us Před 28 dny +2

    I believe; as Santa, Maulie, and Foli are already there; that they should add these champs to the exchange on rotation? Could also add the exclusives like Ronda and Ninja and make them a tier more expensive? Could also add champs like MH... if contract allows... and make that a third tier more expensive and less chance to show up in rotation? It would be quite difficult and time consuming for most to get them; provides an update to the exchange; and would allow access for new players who missed events to get things like the RN Archer.

    • @perrystuart8035
      @perrystuart8035 Před 28 dny +3

      You can not include champions like Ronda and Ninja in anything as we dont know what is in the contracts for those. Raid does not own the IP of those and cant just do what they want.

    • @indrajithak47
      @indrajithak47 Před 28 dny +2

      They'll be getting a lawsuit for just mentioning ronda or ninja, their contract has come to an end unless they renegotiate new terms. Plarium will have to shell some money for this to happen, plus they aren't relevant in the mainstream media and won't bring as many new players like back then.

    • @Neuvillete4.6
      @Neuvillete4.6 Před 28 dny

      No. The contracts are a one off thing

  • @mherrick5891
    @mherrick5891 Před 28 dny +1

    Situational: every champ with one roll, except gurptuk big hype, though he only features in one kraken team unobtainable by 99.5% of the player base

  • @MichaelKeiter
    @MichaelKeiter Před 28 dny +1

    Could you please answer my question do you get a better chance at champions in campaign if the difficulty is higher.

  • @mr.Lumpy3803
    @mr.Lumpy3803 Před 27 dny

    I would like Plarium to run the big hype champions in Titan events, and add the rest to the token trader system on a rotational schedule.

  • @GorchaxGaming
    @GorchaxGaming Před 28 dny

    they should just make fusions pure shard events. And then you can cash in your shards for any of the previously released fusion champs, and maybe add some new ones over time. Similar to how alot of mmo games have gone away from specific item pieces, and replaced it with exchangable currency. This would make it better for newer players, as well as older players who might want several +4's. And it would still make partial fusions worthwhile for lower tier accounts.

  • @bawbq5305
    @bawbq5305 Před 26 dny

    OMG do you think bambus could replace staltus for a speed run dragon killer? If not I have to pull staltus or a second kalvalax

  • @Rmac0294
    @Rmac0294 Před 26 dny

    A better idea would be to sort out the token trader and rotate past fusions so you can choose the ones you want

  • @emh7545
    @emh7545 Před 28 dny

    Good idea. Would love to see a way to earn previous fusion champs. Maybe put them in doom tower once u complete all rotations of hard.

  • @TheAEKaBeer
    @TheAEKaBeer Před 28 dny

    Bivald is really good in doom tower and cursed city and is in my hydra brutal team.
    Gaius changed the game for me in arena and he got me through some of the trickier doom tower floors. He's one of the best answers for stone skin defence teams and his bomb detonation passive lets you speed farm arena.

  • @wilfulbuckle13
    @wilfulbuckle13 Před 28 dny

    I think these would be good. Those that missed could get them. Those that have could empower/faction guardian.

  • @icejoe6534
    @icejoe6534 Před 28 dny

    i TOTALLY forgot i did astralon fusion.. at first i was like "why is astralon in here" and i had to look it up, then i totally remmeebed doing his fusion.. man that was so long ago

  • @kat7ra
    @kat7ra Před 28 dny

    From my own PoV, I do most fusions, all the ones in your bottom tier that I own I never use, All the situational and solid champs I use in some content all the time. So I'd say it's a pretty decent ranking.
    Funnily enough, I don't use all the champs I own from the big hype list xD Just because I haven't gotten around to building them yet and burnout.

  • @silviuskirsch1
    @silviuskirsch1 Před 28 dny

    Although the event for tormin was hard as a newer player i realy did enjoy this event because chances where if am unlucky i might never pull a tormin from shards so rerun fusions would be great. Second reason why we don't need new fusions is the champions pool is already so big and the chances to pull legendarys from shards is still the same so adding more and more is bad. Eddit: fusions i missed that i want realy bad are Rotos Maulie Mirrigane Pythion Dreng Helicath Lonatharil Razelvarg Blizzar Oella Kantra. They could do rerun fusions for a year and i would be hyped for all of them.

  • @ingolf82
    @ingolf82 Před 28 dny +1

    can you only get Maulie from the token trader or can you pull her from a shard too?

  • @martinfortier4741
    @martinfortier4741 Před 28 dny

    That's a great idea. Reruns can help fill faction gardians and empower champions

  • @olivegog78olive65
    @olivegog78olive65 Před 28 dny

    The main question is : what would be the added value for plarium to rerun fusions ?
    The company interest is to make money. I hardly see people spending money for old fusions, considering also that champs could be obtained naturally afterwards, especially the best ones through x10 or x25 events.

  • @Razzorclaw
    @Razzorclaw Před 27 dny

    I think Python is probably very hype but when I pulled my second copy I cannot find a place to use it, which I found interesting

  • @bluebuda8170
    @bluebuda8170 Před 28 dny

    Astrolon was the fusion when I started playing. I would definitely go for him.He's been my most wanted champ from the start whether he's any good or not. He looks ba

  • @Dartanyon
    @Dartanyon Před 28 dny

    Versulf the Grim is the name you were looking for. :D

  • @chrisdunn833
    @chrisdunn833 Před 28 dny

    If you're mid to early late and you've got Kaja (like my FTP account), you'd be delighted to see Timit. Meanwhile Islin and Bambus can get in the sea, I've got both champs and they're both sit in the vault never to come out.
    My Anti-Arb team is built around Timit, Kaja, Lydia and Tormin and it works very well if I suspect I can't win on speed.

  • @sven-ulricholtrogge7498

    Bivald is way better than just situational, you can use him almost anywhere with great success.

  • @vexsis448
    @vexsis448 Před 28 dny

    Speaking of which would love to see some more recent videos on kreela and tatura, everything seems pretty dated back to their release and would love to see something more recent!

  • @user-cc8eq4iq3k
    @user-cc8eq4iq3k Před 28 dny

    I think the idea for repeating fusions is very interesting, but it need to be balanced somehow. The ones who fused broken champion like gnut can get another and is becoming more crazy with same resources spending like other fusions, but who not fused this champion because of different circumstances (like resources issue or real life situations) will be happy to see this champion in account. I guess the decent solution can be found in life token market. Putting past fusions in that (new fusion like wixwel will getting there after months since his end or after another started), giving players tokens in tournaments, events and maybe in some content in milestones, making different price and it increase what depends how strong the first/dupe will be, like 5k tokens for gnut and his dupes is 6-8k. For champion like maulie with 3k cost, dupe will have 3.5-4k, because she is good, but not broken for example

  • @Karuzen
    @Karuzen Před 28 dny

    a re-run fusion that replaces a fusion is a good idea for the playerbase to skip if they don't need it but for plarium, that is NOT a good idea lol, maybe instead of a soul-event for the fusion champ it's a quick re-run fusion?

  • @GorchaxGaming
    @GorchaxGaming Před 28 dny

    So, a proper tier list would have the top tier something like this: 8xgnut, 4xrotos, 4xarmanz,pythion,emic

  • @HaydenHiebert
    @HaydenHiebert Před 28 dny +2

    I missed the Rotos fusion by 1 stupid Fencer. I’m still salty, lol. Would love Rotos reRan.

  • @martindavenport2318
    @martindavenport2318 Před 28 dny

    I'm a big Karato fan. His passive gets through Duchess, Pythion, Taras and Harima. Great in Arena.

    • @zily7866
      @zily7866 Před 28 dny +2

      Block active skills also is the only lockout that works against mythicals, which actualyl makes him more meta relevant by the day

  • @makeharley
    @makeharley Před 28 dny +1

    Wasn't there Tatura also as a reward in one of those path events ?

  • @user-fp9cj6yv3n
    @user-fp9cj6yv3n Před 28 dny

    didn't do those fusions and later got Gnutt, Emic and Rotos from shards

  • @hunterbushnell13
    @hunterbushnell13 Před 28 dny

    Gurptuk is definitely very niche, probably the definition of very niche lol. Only 0.1% would need him, and if they are in that small population bc they have insane trunda teams then they already have gurptuk

  • @WwolfmanWolfman
    @WwolfmanWolfman Před 28 dny

    I think they should do a fusion of a free login champ instead of a rerun or I think they would like a chase champion like Daliana or sun wu Kong

  • @targettmark88
    @targettmark88 Před 28 dny

    I like the 7 day free log in champions the most 😊

  • @ju2wet
    @ju2wet Před 28 dny

    I have gurptuk and I’ve had him for years I have no idea how to use him because I don’t have trunda so I haven’t bothered to build him

  • @lightspeedwr2918
    @lightspeedwr2918 Před 27 dny

    U guys cc’s should push plarium to do some vote session to do exactly that! Cheers

  • @vexsis448
    @vexsis448 Před 28 dny

    I just pulled kreela from my ancient pulls. Time to work on gearing her out. Darn silver.

  • @robertpease9834
    @robertpease9834 Před 25 dny

    I would put Foli higher, if you don't have a block revive, he would be needed for certain areas, and arena. I dread facing him.

  • @Happytremereinc
    @Happytremereinc Před 28 dny

    Blizzard is great for Bommal, especially in Cursed City

  • @lakesteader
    @lakesteader Před 28 dny

    I wouldn't go right to empowering a Razelvarg necessarily. Personally, while I don't use him in hydra, I need one in fire knight at a certain speed and another in clan boss at a certain different speed, so at least 2 can be useful.

  • @rayhellcat9558
    @rayhellcat9558 Před 28 dny

    Gnut really awesome funny thing I don't use him in hydra lose to much dmg ankora great vs lockout champs and rotos still use highly in top live arena GD job nubs

  • @kozy1928
    @kozy1928 Před 28 dny +1

    nub the Potboiler

  • @SaphonDamocles
    @SaphonDamocles Před 28 dny

    I think they should do fusion reruns, but it is tailored to each player, will only be a fusion you don't own. The events and rewards would be the same for everyone, but end champion would be one you "missed"

  • @tigrew12
    @tigrew12 Před 27 dny

    Dwarfs is the best facción. Full of op champions everywhere.

  • @worrellgayle9889
    @worrellgayle9889 Před 28 dny +1

    So Gurptuk should be situational based on what you said. Not used anywhere else

    • @hunterbushnell13
      @hunterbushnell13 Před 28 dny

      Very niche at that, probably the definition of very niche lol. Only 0.1% would need him, and if they are in that small population bc they have insane trunda teams then they already have gurptuk

  • @cacophonic7
    @cacophonic7 Před 28 dny +1

    If anyone knows @mtgjedi, you know he would go bonkers over a Helicath.

    • @zily7866
      @zily7866 Před 28 dny

      clearly you missed the 2 years he spent a fortune to get a gnishak

  • @davidbaker9479
    @davidbaker9479 Před 28 dny

    Bambus is very niche imo. Yes dragon..... thats really it though.

  • @Neuvillete4.6
    @Neuvillete4.6 Před 28 dny

    Re run fusions should be a thing. Maybe a little easier since they are summonable

  • @dbp192000
    @dbp192000 Před 28 dny +1

    Brogni, Brogni, Brogni

  • @TheBrogaman
    @TheBrogaman Před 28 dny

    Blizzar is deffently worth having, i went hard for him and his 5star soul... easily one my best champs, i use him all over and sometimes just pop him into arnea teams

  • @mocafrost
    @mocafrost Před 28 dny

    Painful memory that I missed the Tormin by seconds.

  • @Powerleg77
    @Powerleg77 Před 28 dny

    I use Pythion in pretty much every single team.

  • @Hammerage1
    @Hammerage1 Před 28 dny

    Honestly, it would be a good thing no matter the champion, because it will help us fill the faction guardians.

  • @DJDevious
    @DJDevious Před 28 dny

    Can you do it with fragment summon and gaurenteed Lego’s next

  • @miffed6789
    @miffed6789 Před 28 dny +1

    Rerun but you can't do it If you have the champ. Yes everyone will want 2 gnuts but the idea is to let people get the champs in the first place

  • @rulerozaa
    @rulerozaa Před 28 dny

    I just missed dungeon divers....is it still possible to finish fusion?

    • @zily7866
      @zily7866 Před 28 dny

      if you have enough shards to get the epic from summon rush you can skip both dungeon divers and both artifact events.

    • @rulerozaa
      @rulerozaa Před 28 dny

      @@zily7866 not really... got like 3 sacreds... 5 voids and 20 ancient....We will see...

  • @cacophonic7
    @cacophonic7 Před 28 dny +4

    How about they replace Ninja with a new champ, and make his current look a skin. Then do a fusion for that new Ninja, and make Ninja now ascend himself. I so wish I had him. 😅

  • @mattdavis5850
    @mattdavis5850 Před 28 dny

    I would like to see old crap champs that get buffs be fusion candidates. If people had them and fed the crap lego its a chance to re acquire it. If you hade it vaulted maybe you could fuse for an empower. or just skip it, I do enjoy an occasional skippable fusion

  • @matrix7918
    @matrix7918 Před 28 dny

    Nice choices

  • @DeathNight79
    @DeathNight79 Před 28 dny

    Probably the only way I’d get a Rotos on my account lol

  • @JoaoSilva-rk3tw
    @JoaoSilva-rk3tw Před 28 dny +1

    I just dont get why everyone wants armanz to get nerfed .. come on we waisted resources to have him ... his amazing for the game we need that kind of champions

  • @flyingiguana409
    @flyingiguana409 Před 28 dny

    there should be an option to complete a past fusion that you missed instead of the current fusion.

  • @aeontiv
    @aeontiv Před 27 dny

    As someone who has Ninja, they really should bring back the champions who are "limited time" champs. it bothers me that, as a champ collection game, people can't collect each champ.

  • @jaredliette547
    @jaredliette547 Před 28 dny

    Sigmund quite good for Amius

  • @davidwade9431
    @davidwade9431 Před 28 dny

    Mid game account and I have got Gnut.. Helicath.. Ankora… Eostrid and Oella not too bad

  • @Romanov3579
    @Romanov3579 Před 28 dny

    Amy's gusset

  • @ianbyt
    @ianbyt Před 28 dny +1

    Playing since Shamrock team 👇🏻

  • @Slimo74
    @Slimo74 Před 28 dny +1

    Ha ha of course you wont shit on Bambus, you are the one who led us into this useless fusion. But at least you are consistent with your past opinion, this is respectable 🙂

  • @chessWoRpire1449
    @chessWoRpire1449 Před 2 dny

    Timit my boy 😢
    yoshi😢

  • @BanXxX69
    @BanXxX69 Před 27 dny

    Not having Gnut feels like: Why you even play the game? 😂 No chance at any Hard 10‘s or Sand/Shogun 25 without him