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You can't charge someone or something they can never reasonably pay. You own a restaurant at the base of a 80 storey building, your kitchen catches fire and burns the building down, it's a total loss. You aren't expected to replace the building. You'll be charged something decided by the court. 45m is a large fine for a shipping company imo.
@@cyberking1128A fine is something you pay for violating a law. Damages are what you pay for killing people and destroying property ( as a result of violating a law). They are not the same thing.
@@ronjohnson1800 I assure you the bankruptcy paperwork is complete and ready to be filed in a moments notice. As well as paperwork for a new company to resume business with.
@@Chez8922-kf6cy " Consumers will bear the cost of the losses but none of the recovery will find it's way back to the consumer. That's a one way street by design. "
Maritime law is ancient and the SCOTUS is corrupt. Clarence Thomas and Alito will take a new motorhome, a few fishing trips and private jet rides to make it go away for the company.
Will seem so but with court reforms, expect more like 12-15y. BTW ‘court reforms’ /sarcasm …as a former tech policy analyst for NJ-OMB judiciary the MOST resistant to adopting efficiency solutions. Backlogs largely of their own making.
nevertheless due to the bridge not having any protections , as other bridges do, for a foreseeable event then others are liable too. It’s complicated, thus the lawyers will benefit the most. Very sad for the workers on the bridge and their families.
this bridge broke 40 yrs ago,the united states gov,t knew this,united syates has money to start wars but not to fic bridges.10000 bridges neeed fixing in the states but biden sends money to istreal and ukraine to continue losin wars
There was never any doubt in my mind that sooner or later we were going to learn that power failure should’ve never happened and of course, now we know why.
And you can go after as many people as you wish but you are obligated to follow the current law. You can certainly change it for future situations. But we have to follow OUR laws.
Please. The US never goes for the people at the top. It would set a dangerous president again the US home groan, broding school broken, sociopathic, billionair class.
You say so, but where did you get this information from? I mean, you could say whatever you want but if you have nothing to back up your claims, then you got nothing. Economics aside, what does this have to do with what happened?
@@HOOOLD_ON The Sydney Morning Herald reported that about the ship's owners on March 28. But you're obviously too much of a f*cking moron to know that.
@@Chez8922-kf6cy You are basing your thoughts on what ljb4541 said. He has not provided any evidence of his claims. I am pretty sure the crew manning the ship now is not the same as the one ljb4541 talks about and Im still waiting for some evidence of his claims. Mind you, the ship _did_ leave Australia, which means any potential conflicts were resolved. If I were a garage based five year old not being paid for what i did, I'd probably sabotage something, but as a grownup sea farer I wouldnt even think of endangering the very vessel Im on. You seem to be the kind of guy that would drill a hole in your canoe to let the water out.
No consumers shouldnt be punished for that F up it should be passed along to the ship owners as well as the cost of the rebuilding of the bridge and for those dock workers who made be laid off !
Ship owners will pass cost kn to customers who will pass it on to consumers. We always pay in the end, not the shareholders & directors. Another reason we need that great reset WEF was discussing.
Why call this a major revelation? Even on the day of the accident there were reports that this ship had a documented history of problems with the systems that caused the accident.
Passing costs along means people who had nothing to do with this fiasco, no idea the ship needed repair end up paying one way or another. It is inherently unfair.
A disaster anywhere in this world can/will have a ripple effect. A war in the wheat fields of Ukraine drives up the wheat prices for us all. Every time we buy a loaf of bread, we are paying the price for Blyatimir Putain wanting to get the title of "Emperor" before he dies. Welcome to Earth.
@tm13tube, Right on. Why is the consumer always the scapegoat and the victim? Because capitalism? These businesses use the excuse of supply and demand dictating market prices, if that was the case the business would be eating the cost of their mistake.
@@denningmp37 The companies that bring their products to market through the port calculate the additional surcharge and make it a separate line item. Purchasers would use their invoice as evidence of the claim of damages eligible for reimbursement.
Whoever was the genius that allowed a ship of that size to transit under the bridge without tug support, should be the one put behind bars first. Then the captain, the engineer and then the pilot
@stewiesaidthat That is a Port of Baltimore rule that came about because of the cost requirements of the Tugs. The Port Authorities should have required that given the inferior protection that was in place on the bridge supports based on today's standards.
I’ve worked on these ships. Gonna let you in on something. A lot of these ships have major major mechanical and structural problems. Many time have I seen the owner or managers of these shipping companies wait till the last moment to repair these ships. Seen it time and time again. They wait for something to become a real problem before they do anything about it.
This bridge spanning a limited shipping space to the Port of Baltimore, was a ticking time bomb. Surely the port authority should have recognised the fact that as the years went by the ships coming into the river and more importantly under the bridge, were getting larger and if a problem occurred could, at the very least, do some serious damage to it. Proper planning by the port authority should have included buying tugboats capable of escorting huge ships of this size from the wharf areas out to beyond the bridge structure and visa versa. I really don’t think that the housekeeping at such a large and vital port was adequate. Thanks.
This port should have long ago redesigned and increased the size of their 'Dolphins' (channel bumpers). It's like they have ones for the size of a small commercial fishing boat and today we now have mega ships. Politics.
There is a huge conflict of interests around requiring tugboats, and for how long. The governing authority that operates the harbor sets the rules around tugboat requirements, and in this instance that is the state of Maryland. The shipping companies pay for tugboat services, which are fairly steep. And then the last source of conflict in this relationship is the consumers who all want their goods as cheaply as possible. Seems that I recall reading that this barge had contracted for 2 tugs to pull them from the dock and into the shipping channel, which is what the port required, at a cost of just north of $18,000.
@bigk4755 that is in line with shipping experts commenting online within hours of the event. Two tugs to reach the open channel was standard. The ship was then under its own power and would have passed safely along the channel had the power not failed. There was also a port pilot on the bridge to ensure the correct route was followed. When the power failed, physics took over and steered the ship off course with inadequate space to stop. An anchor has been dropped to counteract the steering but was not enough.
@@neilkurzman4907Assuming, of course, that people CAN buy from someone else! Not everyone has that option, especially if you’re poor and live in a food desert area.
@@johnhall3570 It’s a localized supply restriction that’s going to affect that area but not 400% What it will affect is because shipping in that area becomes more expensive. It’s moved to other parts and people lose their job. He used 400% because it made his conspiracy theory sound better. Allowing him to ignore reality.
The state is responsible for the bridge not being protected from a collision in a busy port. The grounding of the Dali is irresponsible but it should have never been able to touch the bridge supports.
Politicians LOVE to pass the buck. How many years or decades have engineers been recommending the installation of bridge pier protection? The shipping company definitely screwed up, but bankrupting them isn't going to cover all the expenses incurred. An ounce of prevention...
I wish one time that a retailer would create an active list of the things they purchase/rent/or other things that come out of their pockets that cost more as a result of a disaster. Just let us see what really goes up in price and who inflates their real expenses.
We are seeing significant increases in fuel prices too, at least in the Baltimore area. There are terminals on the south side of the scene and the trucks have to go all the way around the city via 695 just to get to the other side of the bridge into sparrows point to get to the gas stations here.
I've noticed nobody is talking about the fact the port is required to do a safety inspection on the vessel before it is released? also missing is the fact that a Harbor pilot needed to be on board for arrival and departure, they are also responsible for alerting the harbor master of any and all deficiencies in the ship. I wonder why none of this is being discussed.
They mentioned the 6 killed only once. When the press release was read, it didn't say anything about them. No cap on cost. Ships this large should have a lockout to avoid things like this. The people who decided to leave port with known electrical issues should be prosecuted.
There were cutting charges going off at strategic joints, on the bridge, when the ship hit it. You can see them in the videos. They were similar to the charges that could be seen going off in the World Trade Center, collapsing it into it's footprint. Building 7 collapsed without a plane hitting it.
This is why ports have tugboats. What seems to be the problem at this port. Do they not want to pay to operators? You should let foreign vessels come into your port and navigate on their own. That doesn’t make any sense they could crash and take out a bridge. .
The guy wonders why increased costs get passed on. He's obviously never ran a business and done things like pay employees or a lease. Good illustration of the caliber of people in government.
and why did the bridge have basically no protection for the piers. ? because baltimore didn't want to spend the money even though it was proposed after 9-11
Yeah but at least they invested the city's money into crime prevention and education instead. Now Baltimore is one of the safest cities in the US with top scoring high school grades and graduation rates. What's one bridge compared to that level of community success?
Mostly because it was designed and built in an era of ships 1/3 the size and displacement of the Dali. The "might happen" vulnerability of a terrorist attack was seen as less likely than other types of threats to the DelMarVa region and money was spent on those.
Called it, the ship had issues but they decided to chance it instead of staying in port all because of their schedule and no the court wont allow them to cap the costs due the shear amount of damage and economical losses
The issues actually stemmed from electrical issues with refrigerated containers. They kept blowing breakers on the ship. The last known issue was a few hrs before the ship left the port.
No, the courts really not gonna care how much damage they did. They probably will care if the ship owner showed negligence. Which is what Baltimore is trying to get before the court.
@@1972Ray Apparently, they lost electrical power not the engines. The main engine would go off-line once electrical power was lost since it depends on it to function, but the actual electricity comes from separate generators.
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It's nothing new that the employees are forced to use broken equipment. I've once was given the company car to be driven to location 400km away from company. I've noticed that that the rear of the car was a bit lower on the right side. They said that's a minor issue, but it turned out later that there were no suspension at all at rear right wheel. This could end up deadly too!
I've seen footage of the bridge collapse. That bridge went down like a wet noodle, and it seems obvious that engineers had not built in any safety factors in case something hit it. The owners of the Dali bear responsibility, but they are not alone in doing so.
Bridges don't naturally collapse like that. Look at the struts that appear to have plastic charges explosions going off. Baltimore got rid of their harbor patrol a few years earlier for a reason. This was it.
My dad always told me when I'd get hurt to suck it up buttercup ! My kids are priceless , Every parent shares the the same sentiment ! ..... justice will prevail in this tragedy and compassion will far exceed 43 million dollars for the families alone !
Hmm... I was on Norwegian Cruise in summer of 1995 and for 20 minutes, in the night time, the ship's power went off. Wonder if this is a normal occurrence?
Ridiculously low liability caps are actually pretty common in maritime cases because they're based on the value of the ship and cargo. The sketchy part is that they're based on the value at the time of the suit/resolution so if the ship was severely damaged or sunk the liability limit can be very low or even zero
Well, the bridge didn't move in front of the ship so that eliminates one thing. The ship may have more defects. It should be confined to port until everything is settled.
This is what I was expecting. Blame the shipping company. Ships always break down and the bridge was very flimsy and not at all protected. The idea that this is 100% the fault of the shipping company is just scapegoating and lets off the real culprits who are the authorities that did not protect their flimsy bridge.
The “real culprit” is the ship owner/operator… they are responsible to maintain operability, and if they decided to depart without addressing known power issues, or requesting extended tugboat support from the port, then not only will they be held liable but USA will likely hold them accountable for damage in excess of the traditional ship value limit ($43M). Port of Baltimore contributed to the severity of the loss by taking financial shortcuts: no dolphins and no tug support to a bridge that was literally within sight of the departure pier. They are a contributor, not “the culprit”.
Gross negligence at the very least.Should have had tugs escort all the way to breakwater if they knew power was unreliable or faulty.As facts come out this tragedy should never have happened.
So... Captain was under order from shipping company owners management to set sail anyway limp to Sri Lanka where maintenance costs to repair would be much lower than in Baltimore.
I think that liability of the company should be. 1. If found to NOT be negligent .... liable for cleanup of the bridge. 2. If found to BE Negligent ... liable for clean up / rebuild / and civil liabilty for the road crew lives lost.
There is, of course, the counter argument that no steps had been taken to protect the bridge from a shipping incident. This shows a high level of negligence by the owners / operators of he bridge. It is not the first major bridge in the US which has collapsed after being struck by a vessel, so it is a known problem. This is not to say that the vessel owners have no liability for the consequences, but others are also culpable.
The fault of the bridge collision goes to the ship 100%, but the fault of the bridge collapse, due to a ship collision, goes to the bridge operator because it was inadequately protected. It was only a matter of time before a ship hit the bridge and it is the responsibility of the bridge operator to ensure the bridge is adequately protected from such a predictable accident. The majority of the liability, including the wrongful deaths, should go to the bridge operator for not protecting the bridge from collapsing due to ship collisions.
By bridge operator, do you mean the "owner" of said bridge? As in the company that paid for the build? Truly trying to understand who you mean by "operator. "
@@qwq203 Whoever was allowing, certifying the bridge as safe to use. I am not sure who that is, state of Maryland, the Feds? The bridge is supposed to have adequate protection so that predictable accidents do not cause a bridge collapse. The amount and size of vessels was known prior to the collapse and the risk of collapse from being hit by a big ship was known and how to protect against such events was known. Notice how the new bridge designs will have such protections if they tried to re-build without them, and say the safety of the bridge is not their responsibility and should rely on the ships operating properly, people would freak out and say they are irresponsible.
Someone pointed out, that a puff of black smoke raised fron the ship just before impact. Did the ship accelerate? There could be an alternative explanation.
It isn't ships going in that's a problem. They can be diverted to other ports. It's the ships blocked in Baltimore that cannot get out. Their generators are kept running,crews fed and housed and the ship not working.
The limit of liability should be capped at complete repair costs to bring it back to pre-collision condition, plus the families of the deceased compensation, plus lost revenue due to their negligence, plus prison time for those found to be knowingly negligent.
On the day it happened there was a local Baltimore news video on here featuring a femal dockworker who stated the vessel was having serious electrical problems right up to the time it departed. The video dissapeared and asking around I was told the dockworker had recanted her story....
Please you know that bridge was built in 1972 making it well over 50 years old. Concrete starts separation and unstable after 45 years. The boat tapped it and went down like a house of cards.
That pittance will not even pay to replace the bridge, no less massive business losses, city losses, loss of jobs + income to port workers, even costs of demolition of bridge debris and clearing the channel. The owners must plan on paying several billion at the very least.
i can't get a straight answer from google so i'll say this. what about baltimore's inner harbor? or even the chesapeake side of baltimore? i remember several ports all around baltimore.
The largest fault is Baltimore port not ensuring the bridge supports were protected in the first place, the accident should never have happened, plus a bridge in a shipping lane should have been better constructed, not to be pretty.
The bridge design was flawed from the beginning. Google up images of bridges over major waterways and you'll notice they always have enormous round or elliptical cement pilings protecting the piers from such collisions. Those big pilings are called 'dolphins.' This bridge doesn't have dolphins. Why? Who designed this bridge? Who approved the design? Not excusing the ship owners, but the same accident with any other bridge would have only damaged the vessel, not the bridge.
@@oriraykai3610 As in every case, a local pilot is in control as a ship enters or leaves a port. The ship's captain has little to no authority during that operation, no matter his nationality. It's on him and his company to explain the poor maintenance that led to losing power, but once it happened the local American pilot was helpless.
@@mkneely4539 It's minor. Los Angeles, the first place port brings in 9 times more dollar value. NJ & NY, the second place brings in 8 times more. Third brings in a little under 8. Baltimore only brings in 4% of the 3 combined. If you factor in all the other ports from 4th to 8th, that number drops even further.
Those people who died oh the bridge just doing their jobs deserve to have their families taken care of and not just the lawyers
There were immigrants not her legally to work. So there's that
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- Ancient Semitic Cuneiform of Moshe (Moses)
- Isa Scroll (The Original Isaiah)
Isaiah 42:8
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45 million for that kind of damage is a joke.
Like putting a bandaid on a severed leg.
Ship owners have limited liability by statute.
The magnitude of that disaster will never be recovered; no company has assets that large.
You can't charge someone or something they can never reasonably pay.
You own a restaurant at the base of a 80 storey building, your kitchen catches fire and burns the building down, it's a total loss. You aren't expected to replace the building. You'll be charged something decided by the court.
45m is a large fine for a shipping company imo.
@@cyberking1128A fine is something you pay for violating a law. Damages are what you pay for killing people and destroying property ( as a result of violating a law). They are not the same thing.
@@xmiller7691 Thank you
Not to mention that they killed 6 workers on the bridge! $43M doesn't even cover the wrongful death suit.
Nothing has been officially established about the root cause(s).
May be true but if you bankrupt the company what do you get- possibly zero
@@ronjohnson1800 the ship itself is probably worth $43M or more.
@@ronjohnson1800 I assure you the bankruptcy paperwork is complete and ready to be filed in a moments notice. As well as paperwork for a new company to resume business with.
Your troops killed 250,000 kids in iraq stop crying
They pass the cost to the consumer but after the cause is resolved, the price remains at the higher level.
The wealthy elite decide these matters in our modern capitalist society. It would be in your best interest to remember that when voting.
@@Chez8922-kf6cy
" Consumers will bear the cost of the losses but none of the recovery will find it's way back to the consumer.
That's a one way street by design. "
@@Chez8922-kf6cy Watch how the wealthy elite vote and vote the exact opposite, especially in MD!
Bidenflation means by the time supply returns to normal inflation will have increased the prices that much anyway
@@Chez8922-kf6cy The wealthy elite exist in communist and socialist countries, too. They are just plain evil, and pull the strings around the globe.
This will be in court for decades
Maritime law is ancient and the SCOTUS is corrupt. Clarence Thomas and Alito will take a new motorhome, a few fishing trips and private jet rides to make it go away for the company.
Will seem so but with court reforms, expect more like 12-15y. BTW ‘court reforms’ /sarcasm …as a former tech policy analyst for NJ-OMB judiciary the MOST resistant to adopting efficiency solutions. Backlogs largely of their own making.
NO CAP NO WAY NO HOW!!!! If you break it you bought it!!!! In their case they destroyed a bridge and killed people!!!!
Tell that to American oil companies wrecking Africa
nevertheless due to the bridge not having any protections , as other bridges do, for a foreseeable event then others are liable too.
It’s complicated, thus the lawyers will benefit the most. Very sad for the workers on the bridge and their families.
this bridge broke 40 yrs ago,the united states gov,t knew this,united syates has money to start wars but not to fic bridges.10000 bridges neeed fixing in the states but biden sends money to istreal and ukraine to continue losin wars
There was never any doubt in my mind that sooner or later we were going to learn that power failure should’ve never happened and of course, now we know why.
That remains to be proven. It's only conjecture at this point in time.
Yeah, the politicians are just looking for money!
Longshoremen and other people on the docks said the ship was having trouble with the electrical system the day after the ship brought the bridge down.
@@mkay1957 Having electrical problems after the collision isn't relevant.
@@mkay1957 How is having electrical problems after the collision relevant?
No cap on liability. The US should go after the owner and manager and any other company involved with the Dali and sue them into oblivion
I agree, but then who are you going to get to send ships to the US
And you can go after as many people as you wish but you are obligated to follow the current law. You can certainly change it for future situations. But we have to follow OUR laws.
Please. The US never goes for the people at the top. It would set a dangerous president again the US home groan, broding school broken, sociopathic, billionair class.
thing is that sea law sets the cap at max the value of the ship plus cargo. which imho will not be enough!!
They won't because a demacrat congressman is a partial owner
This ship was banned from leaving Australia as the company wouldn't pay their crew and they hadn't been off the ship for over 13 months
You say so, but where did you get this information from?
I mean, you could say whatever you want but if you have nothing to back up your claims, then you got nothing.
Economics aside, what does this have to do with what happened?
I wonder if the crew quit fixing things in retaliation. Or worse yet sabotaged something.
@@HOOOLD_ON The Sydney Morning Herald reported that about the ship's owners on March 28. But you're obviously too much of a f*cking moron to know that.
@@Chez8922-kf6cy You are basing your thoughts on what ljb4541 said. He has not provided any evidence of his claims.
I am pretty sure the crew manning the ship now is not the same as the one ljb4541 talks about and Im still waiting for some evidence of his claims.
Mind you, the ship _did_ leave Australia, which means any potential conflicts were resolved.
If I were a garage based five year old not being paid for what i did, I'd probably sabotage something, but as a grownup sea farer I wouldnt even think of endangering the very vessel Im on.
You seem to be the kind of guy that would drill a hole in your canoe to let the water out.
@@HOOOLD_ONit shows the captain of the ship don’t give af
No consumers shouldnt be punished for that F up it should be passed along to the ship owners as well as the cost of the rebuilding of the bridge and for those dock workers who made be laid off !
Ship owners will pass cost kn to customers who will pass it on to consumers.
We always pay in the end, not the shareholders & directors. Another reason we need that great reset WEF was discussing.
The consumers always pays,
Otherwise, there would be a decrease in profit margins.
Why is this only a lawsuit. There needs to be criminal charges.
Lol
Why call this a major revelation? Even on the day of the accident there were reports that this ship had a documented history of problems with the systems that caused the accident.
That's probably why they used this particular ship .. Easy excuse...
Those reports came from mariners and engineers, who have different standards for honesty than advertising hucksters.
@@lokiva8540The report I saw quoted inspection records from various marine authorities.
A group of people need to go to prison.
Passing costs along means people who had nothing to do with this fiasco, no idea the ship needed repair end up paying one way or another. It is inherently unfair.
That is life!
You haven't figured that out yet?
By the way, passing cost on is the normal everyday part of doing business! Learn some economics!
A disaster anywhere in this world can/will have a ripple effect.
A war in the wheat fields of Ukraine drives up the wheat prices for us all.
Every time we buy a loaf of bread, we are paying the price for Blyatimir Putain wanting to get the title of "Emperor" before he dies.
Welcome to Earth.
@tm13tube, Right on. Why is the consumer always the scapegoat and the victim? Because capitalism? These businesses use the excuse of supply and demand dictating market prices, if that was the case the business would be eating the cost of their mistake.
@tm13tube, @mahbriggs seems to be saying "Because capitalism and there's nothing you can do about it."
Remember, they have to change shipping means, different transportation had to be arranged, raising the costs.
The damages should include reimbursing everyone that has to pay for the increased costs of goods that normally come through the port.
And how would that work?
@@denningmp37 it wouldn't
@@denningmp37 The companies that bring their products to market through the port calculate the additional surcharge and make it a separate line item. Purchasers would use their invoice as evidence of the claim of damages eligible for reimbursement.
Whoever was the genius that allowed a ship of that size to transit under the bridge without tug support, should be the one put behind bars first. Then the captain, the engineer and then the pilot
Once the vessel gets to the open channel, the tugs are dismissed.
@@stewiesaidthat right, but he still had to go under the bridge.
@stewiesaidthat
That is a Port of Baltimore rule that came about because of the cost requirements of the Tugs. The Port Authorities should have required that given the inferior protection that was in place on the bridge supports based on today's standards.
A seaworthy vessel wouldn't need tug support
@@stevecarter8810 And the bridge would not need any protection around it's piers...
If the cargo line was liable, as it appears that it is.The company SHOULD BE COMPLETELY FINED FOR ALL OF THE DAMAGES .NO HOLES BARRED
It's actually "no holds barred", but let's go with it how you wrote it anyhow 😅
Edit: " no 'holds' barred "
And no, none whatsoever 😮
Did you mean "no holes bared"?
I have actually heard a lewd joke that uses " no holes barred ' written on a T-shirt as the punch-line, so I get why you maybe got the spelling wrong!
I’ve worked on these ships. Gonna let you in on something. A lot of these ships have major major mechanical and structural problems. Many time have I seen the owner or managers of these shipping companies wait till the last moment to repair these ships. Seen it time and time again. They wait for something to become a real problem before they do anything about it.
Lives were lost and Totally destroyed the bridge!
It kind of looks like it was aiming straight for it.
Nothing about this looks accidental.
Okay , if it had known problems why didn’t they use tugs to get it out of the safely. The answer is money??? Right ????
Once the power failed and that 96,000 ton behemoth started to drift there was no way any number of tugs would have been able to prevent the collision.
@@olafeklund6200 that’s very true but that ship had a history of issues!
This bridge spanning a limited shipping space to the Port of Baltimore, was a ticking time bomb. Surely the port authority should have recognised the fact that as the years went by the ships coming into the river and more importantly under the bridge, were getting larger and if a problem occurred could, at the very least, do some serious damage to it. Proper planning by the port authority should have included buying tugboats capable of escorting huge ships of this size from the wharf areas out to beyond the bridge structure and visa versa. I really don’t think that the housekeeping at such a large and vital port was adequate. Thanks.
This port should have long ago redesigned and increased the size of their 'Dolphins' (channel bumpers). It's like they have ones for the size of a small commercial fishing boat and today we now have mega ships. Politics.
absolutely
Or the captains of the ships could actually do repairs and preventative maintenance instead of being penny pinching Weinburgs 🤷🏼♂️
There is a huge conflict of interests around requiring tugboats, and for how long. The governing authority that operates the harbor sets the rules around tugboat requirements, and in this instance that is the state of Maryland. The shipping companies pay for tugboat services, which are fairly steep. And then the last source of conflict in this relationship is the consumers who all want their goods as cheaply as possible.
Seems that I recall reading that this barge had contracted for 2 tugs to pull them from the dock and into the shipping channel, which is what the port required, at a cost of just north of $18,000.
@bigk4755 that is in line with shipping experts commenting online within hours of the event. Two tugs to reach the open channel was standard. The ship was then under its own power and would have passed safely along the channel had the power not failed. There was also a port pilot on the bridge to ensure the correct route was followed.
When the power failed, physics took over and steered the ship off course with inadequate space to stop. An anchor has been dropped to counteract the steering but was not enough.
Industries and distributers unaffected by this will say "well that bridge collapsed so we have to raise prices 400%"
Sure, you can raise prices by 400%. Assuming people won’t just buy from someone else. That’s how the free market works.
@@neilkurzman4907Assuming, of course, that people CAN buy from someone else!
Not everyone has that option, especially if you’re poor and live in a food desert area.
@@johnhall3570
Yeah, that has nothing to do with this situation.
@@neilkurzman4907 But rising consumer goods prices as a result of this disaster is the basis of this thread!
@@johnhall3570
It’s a localized supply restriction that’s going to affect that area but not 400%
What it will affect is because shipping in that area becomes more expensive. It’s moved to other parts and people lose their job.
He used 400% because it made his conspiracy theory sound better. Allowing him to ignore reality.
Their negligence unalived 6 souls.
All 6, documented immigrant workers,
Doing jobs, at hours,
No one else would do
This is what I've been talking about since the wreck. 😮
How disgusting is it they talk all about the port and money....what about the families that BURIED LOVED ONES?? Who's talking for them?
that bridge needed to be replaced 40 years ago when it was deemed not safe for traffic
Businesses not impacted will also raise prices claiming shipping issues
Remarkable news the Bridge didn't simply just collapse! Something hit it!
The state is responsible for the bridge not being protected from a collision in a busy port. The grounding of the Dali is irresponsible but it should have never been able to touch the bridge supports.
That's a rather mindless thing to say.
@@edfrawley4356You have a point.
@@joewoodchuck3824 How so? neglecting to protect a bridge in a busy harbor is a borderline criminal oversight.
@@edfrawley4356 It's a matter of opinion. You might want to note that there's no precedent for that viewpoint.
I remember the captain of the Valdez in Alaska
Politicians LOVE to pass the buck. How many years or decades have engineers been recommending the installation of bridge pier protection? The shipping company definitely screwed up, but bankrupting them isn't going to cover all the expenses incurred. An ounce of prevention...
everybody is going to get sued. The pillars were not properly protected either.
don't blame the bridge
The bridge was NOT properly protected!!
@@stuartlee6622 are you?....do you wear a helmet when you go outside?
I wish one time that a retailer would create an active list of the things they purchase/rent/or other things that come out of their pockets that cost more as a result of a disaster. Just let us see what really goes up in price and who inflates their real expenses.
Money money money. WHAT ABOUT LIFE LIFE LIFE? 🤬
What sucks about this is the companies may get reimbursed for increased costs but they won’t pass that on to us after purchasing the items.
6 people died. What about them?
That level of irresponsibility is unconscionable. That is criminal negligence plain and simple.
We are seeing significant increases in fuel prices too, at least in the Baltimore area. There are terminals on the south side of the scene and the trucks have to go all the way around the city via 695 just to get to the other side of the bridge into sparrows point to get to the gas stations here.
And the gas tax just went up.
@@1972Ray Welcome to Maryland. Whats in your wallet?
@@bradjtrainsProbably--- very little money. Love the CHESSIE logo!!!!!!
It's like a bus crash in the city, everyone in the neighborhood where the crash happened was on the bus.
...with impossible to diagnose 'back problems'.
I've noticed nobody is talking about the fact the port is required to do a safety inspection on the vessel before it is released? also missing is the fact that a Harbor pilot needed to be on board for arrival and departure, they are also responsible for alerting the harbor master of any and all deficiencies in the ship. I wonder why none of this is being discussed.
The ‘wild, wild west’ mentality in certain aspects of “huge” shipping containers is being revealed.
They mentioned the 6 killed only once. When the press release was read, it didn't say anything about them. No cap on cost. Ships this large should have a lockout to avoid things like this. The people who decided to leave port with known electrical issues should be prosecuted.
And what about the liability for lives lost.
What about the charges that exploded at each end of the fallen part of the bridge? I can’t be the only one who saw those
There were cutting charges going off at strategic joints, on the bridge, when the ship hit it.
You can see them in the videos. They were similar to the charges that could be seen going off in the World Trade Center, collapsing it into it's footprint.
Building 7 collapsed without a plane hitting it.
This is why ports have tugboats. What seems to be the problem at this port. Do they not want to pay to operators? You should let foreign vessels come into your port and navigate on their own. That doesn’t make any sense they could crash and take out a bridge. .
The guy wonders why increased costs get passed on. He's obviously never ran a business and done things like pay employees or a lease. Good illustration of the caliber of people in government.
These costs aren't related to paying employees or other essential bills. Only to owners who prized speed over safety.
Destroying the liability cap in Baltimore would mean ship owners would stop using Baltimore. Bye bye city
and why did the bridge have basically no protection for the piers. ? because baltimore didn't want to spend the money even though it was proposed after 9-11
Yeah but at least they invested the city's money into crime prevention and education instead. Now Baltimore is one of the safest cities in the US with top scoring high school grades and graduation rates. What's one bridge compared to that level of community success?
Mostly because it was designed and built in an era of ships 1/3 the size and displacement of the Dali. The "might happen" vulnerability of a terrorist attack was seen as less likely than other types of threats to the DelMarVa region and money was spent on those.
@@brassmulethat is one of the best jokes I have ever heard...you sir win my internet for the day.
They stopped using tugs regularly in 2016. The state never mandated protections in leiu of the projects or safe alternatives.
@@bryandevries7210 nonsense. they still use tugs but some ships are too big to side tie the tug under the bridge
Called it, the ship had issues but they decided to chance it instead of staying in port all because of their schedule
and no the court wont allow them to cap the costs due the shear amount of damage and economical losses
The issues actually stemmed from electrical issues with refrigerated containers. They kept blowing breakers on the ship. The last known issue was a few hrs before the ship left the port.
Well, the harbor pilot saying they lost steering is a big red flag.
@@1972Ray
The data recorder showed that captain knew the ship was not seaworthy but still set sail
No, the courts really not gonna care how much damage they did. They probably will care if the ship owner showed negligence. Which is what Baltimore is trying to get before the court.
@@1972Ray
Apparently, they lost electrical power not the engines. The main engine would go off-line once electrical power was lost since it depends on it to function, but the actual electricity comes from separate generators.
It's nothing new that the employees are forced to use broken equipment. I've once was given the company car to be driven to location 400km away from company. I've noticed that that the rear of the car was a bit lower on the right side. They said that's a minor issue, but it turned out later that there were no suspension at all at rear right wheel. This could end up deadly too!
How many workers are still missing?
Sorry but maritime insurance law is gonna trump what a few midnight contingency-fee lawyers think.
I was thinking exactly the same thing - it’s going to end up being another Evergiven/Evergreen situation
Even in common-law liability has limits with remoteness tests.
I've seen footage of the bridge collapse. That bridge went down like a wet noodle, and it seems obvious that engineers had not built in any safety factors in case something hit it. The owners of the Dali bear responsibility, but they are not alone in doing so.
Bridges don't naturally collapse like that. Look at the struts that appear to have plastic charges explosions going off. Baltimore got rid of their harbor patrol a few years earlier for a reason. This was it.
@@oriraykai3610 Don't make stuff up.
@@oriraykai3610 Your stupidity trophy is in the mail. Tracking number to follow.
This is the cost of doing business with other countries. Lost lives, jobs, productivity, and paralyzing inflation. Thanks government
What about those poor innocent workers that lost their lives no mention of them.
My dad always told me when I'd get hurt to suck it up buttercup ! My kids are priceless , Every parent shares the the same sentiment ! ..... justice will prevail in this tragedy and compassion will far exceed 43 million dollars for the families alone !
46 million is owed to Baltimore.
The taxpayers that are paying for this mess are the ones who are owed.
Hmm... I was on Norwegian Cruise in summer of 1995 and for 20 minutes, in the night time, the ship's power went off. Wonder if this is a normal occurrence?
the closure costs will be dwarfed by the replacement cost for the bridge.
Excuse me but the worst part was the loss of life of innocent people
Ridiculously low liability caps are actually pretty common in maritime cases because they're based on the value of the ship and cargo. The sketchy part is that they're based on the value at the time of the suit/resolution so if the ship was severely damaged or sunk the liability limit can be very low or even zero
Nobody is 100% liable for any disaster. There's always a small amount of blame assignable to all parties involved.
Well, the bridge didn't move in front of the ship so that eliminates one thing. The ship may have more defects. It should be confined to port until everything is settled.
Very true. The lack of dolphins/fenders, for example.
The speed at which that bridge collapsed, it wouldn't surprise me if the construction company might share the blame for this disaster.
This is what I was expecting. Blame the shipping company. Ships always break down and the bridge was very flimsy and not at all protected. The idea that this is 100% the fault of the shipping company is just scapegoating and lets off the real culprits who are the authorities that did not protect their flimsy bridge.
The “real culprit” is the ship owner/operator… they are responsible to maintain operability, and if they decided to depart without addressing known power issues, or requesting extended tugboat support from the port, then not only will they be held liable but USA will likely hold them accountable for damage in excess of the traditional ship value limit ($43M). Port of Baltimore contributed to the severity of the loss by taking financial shortcuts: no dolphins and no tug support to a bridge that was literally within sight of the departure pier. They are a contributor, not “the culprit”.
Pass those costs along to us, but maintain those profits! Let the masses pay.
Gross negligence at the very least.Should have had tugs escort all the way to breakwater if they knew power was unreliable or faulty.As facts come out this tragedy should never have happened.
So... Captain was under order from shipping company owners management to set sail anyway limp to Sri Lanka where maintenance costs to repair would be much lower than in Baltimore.
When I look up that case file its the owners liability petition not what we see here?
And the 6 workers who died ! They can't be rebuilt .
Does this go to Admirality court or to a local district or federal court .
Class rules must get stringent to avoid catastrophism like this. Workers families should be protected by law.
I think that liability of the company should be.
1. If found to NOT be negligent .... liable for cleanup of the bridge.
2. If found to BE Negligent ... liable for clean up / rebuild / and civil liabilty for the road crew lives lost.
What about the negligence of the bridge builders not installing rock or concrete protective barriers around the bridge supports.
There is, of course, the counter argument that no steps had been taken to protect the bridge from a shipping incident. This shows a high level of negligence by the owners / operators of he bridge. It is not the first major bridge in the US which has collapsed after being struck by a vessel, so it is a known problem.
This is not to say that the vessel owners have no liability for the consequences, but others are also culpable.
Granted, it was a crappy bridge that I avoided after my first crossing, but what part of the bridge do they think can be replaced by 43 million ?
The fault of the bridge collision goes to the ship 100%, but the fault of the bridge collapse, due to a ship collision, goes to the bridge operator because it was inadequately protected. It was only a matter of time before a ship hit the bridge and it is the responsibility of the bridge operator to ensure the bridge is adequately protected from such a predictable accident. The majority of the liability, including the wrongful deaths, should go to the bridge operator for not protecting the bridge from collapsing due to ship collisions.
By bridge operator, do you mean the "owner" of said bridge? As in the company that paid for the build? Truly trying to understand who you mean by "operator. "
That’s just ridiculous
@@qwq203 Whoever was allowing, certifying the bridge as safe to use. I am not sure who that is, state of Maryland, the Feds? The bridge is supposed to have adequate protection so that predictable accidents do not cause a bridge collapse. The amount and size of vessels was known prior to the collapse and the risk of collapse from being hit by a big ship was known and how to protect against such events was known. Notice how the new bridge designs will have such protections if they tried to re-build without them, and say the safety of the bridge is not their responsibility and should rely on the ships operating properly, people would freak out and say they are irresponsible.
Someone pointed out, that a puff of black smoke raised fron the ship just before impact. Did the ship accelerate? There could be an alternative explanation.
The ship owner must be held as fully accountable as possible.
It isn't ships going in that's a problem. They can be diverted to other ports. It's the ships blocked in Baltimore that cannot get out. Their generators are kept running,crews fed and housed and the ship not working.
The limit of liability should be capped at complete repair costs to bring it back to pre-collision condition, plus the families of the deceased compensation, plus lost revenue due to their negligence, plus prison time for those found to be knowingly negligent.
The consumer cost increase should be temporary until things start moving again, but for some reason it never turns out that way.....🤔
The harbor master is at fault, Why was the ship allowed to leave. Where were the tug escorts. there was a bridge to protect.
On the day it happened there was a local Baltimore news video on here featuring a femal dockworker who stated the vessel was having serious electrical problems right up to the time it departed.
The video dissapeared and asking around I was told the dockworker had recanted her story....
Never let a crisis go to waste
Please you know that bridge was built in 1972 making it well over 50 years old. Concrete starts separation and unstable after 45 years. The boat tapped it and went down like a house of cards.
Why should we pay any increase in the cost of goods they are insured aren't THEY
Insurance costs are paid by people....consumers...it's factored into the cost of goods & services.
The Consumer always pays
That pittance will not even pay to replace the bridge, no less massive business losses, city losses, loss of jobs + income to port workers, even costs of demolition of bridge debris and clearing the channel. The owners must plan on paying several billion at the very least.
i can't get a straight answer from google so i'll say this. what about baltimore's inner harbor? or even the chesapeake side of baltimore? i remember several ports all around baltimore.
Imagine that ... huge shipping corporations "cutting costs" at the expense of fleet maintenance.
Who would have thunk it 🤔
All train commuters who used the train to cross the bridge should be responsible for all financial obligations to repair the bridge
Where’s the MAJOR revelation?!
The largest fault is Baltimore port not ensuring the bridge supports were protected in the first place, the accident should never have happened, plus a bridge in a shipping lane should have been better constructed, not to be pretty.
Of course supply chain issues make prices go up. The problem is that they never come back down.
will the consumers/industrials receive any portion of lawsuit proceeds as a results of higher costs generated by Dali?
Home building products?! What every one struggling needs most of all.
The bridge design was flawed from the beginning. Google up images of bridges over major waterways and you'll notice they always have enormous round or elliptical cement pilings protecting the piers from such collisions. Those big pilings are called 'dolphins.' This bridge doesn't have dolphins. Why? Who designed this bridge? Who approved the design? Not excusing the ship owners, but the same accident with any other bridge would have only damaged the vessel, not the bridge.
And you still think it's coincidence that a Ukrainian piloting an oversized vessel just happened to lose control and hit that exact bridge?
@@oriraykai3610 As in every case, a local pilot is in control as a ship enters or leaves a port. The ship's captain has little to no authority during that operation, no matter his nationality. It's on him and his company to explain the poor maintenance that led to losing power, but once it happened the local American pilot was helpless.
As a retired seaman Baltimore was always a minor port, your making it out to be a major hub and that it is not.
Only the 11th largest in the US....9th largest in terms of dollar value. So, if that's your definition of minor...
@@mkneely4539 It's minor. Los Angeles, the first place port brings in 9 times more dollar value. NJ & NY, the second place brings in 8 times more. Third brings in a little under 8. Baltimore only brings in 4% of the 3 combined. If you factor in all the other ports from 4th to 8th, that number drops even further.
Reports show Baltimore port is the largest car port on the East Coast.
it is if you're a car dealer or manufacturer
Passing the cost along to consumers is bullsh*t. This accident can cause delays but there's no excuse to raise prices. There's enough greed already!
Putting a cap on it is a slap in the face to the victims' families and the City of Baltimore. This was preventable.